My 57 wagon is missing the key for the doorlocks/tailgate. is there any business that can cut the new key blank accordingly to the 5 digit number stamped on the lock cylinder ?
Years ago when I was moving from Colorado to Texas, I couldn't find the keys to the '57. They got packed apparently and had no clue which of a hundred or so boxes they were in. I called an old locksmith and he had new keys made in a half hour or so for both the ignition and door locks. He just hand filed them!! 30 bucks well spent in view of the fact I needed to move the car to storage quickly.
If you can't find an old school locksmith in you area you can mail the locks to Jay, I'm sure he will know where to get them done :003: I can't remember if the numbers on the casting are a code or just a part number?
My guess is they are a pn. I think my my new repop door locks came with a metal tag stamped with a number, which I assume was a key code. Posibly a call to a place like Classic Auto Parts, where I think I got mine, or Dennis Carpenter will have some info on how to use that key code. Gunter, I will make the calls tomorrow if it'll help.
Worse come to worse, Mac's out of Lockport New york has the lock cylinder and key set for both doors at a decent price.
I read somewhere that the numbers on the passenger door lock were the key code....just can't remember where so I can't verify that. The 300 I parted the ignition key and the door locks are the same. Have not pulled the passenger door lock to see if that lock has a number on it. Just know the key operates both. The trunk and glove box were the same but they are long gone so I can't look at the cylinders for them.
Any Locksmith shop can make a key to the lock.
If you have AAA they have the service.
Ron.
Guenter lives in Austria.
thanx everybody for the quick answers. Yes, my location is the main problem. Since these cars were only sold here in small numbers I doubt that a lock smith over here would be able to cut a key according to the number.
Ford Blue Blood, that's exactly what I found my locks to be. the pssgr lock has a 5 digit code ( 2 letters 3 numbers) stamped and I assume that it is the key code, not a part number. its starts FL***
I have had keys made for my classic Volkswagens according to the numbers only. They are readily available, and I had a key cut for a 1954 ign lock by a company from California WITHOUT them having the actual lock, just the number and it's working.
That's why I thought that some of you guys would have had their keys cut to their old locks before, maybe.
If possible I'd like to reuse the og old locks.The door key is lost. It seems that my car is very original and all the door, gate and glovebox locks could still be og.
I will go visit the locksmith anyways, who knows what he can do.
I have reset tumblers and filed keys for other car locks before, but I fear with the pressed pewter design of the 57 locks, they will get destroyed before I can get access to the tumblers.
Guenter
Like I stated in my email this morning.
This is what I always do. Dump all of the tumblers into a bowl and rearrange them to fit the ignition key. This way, you know for sure that it works. There is nothing to it and nothing has to be filed.
These two people below do 1930s to 1950s Ford keys
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When the car arrives, give me the code numbers and I'll make the arrangements to have the keys made and sent to me here in the states just in case they don't want to do out of country business.
Jay, I got good news. Just came in from visiting the local locksmith and he CAN cut keys to the code that is stamped on the lock. Looked it up in the computer and told me he found it. this is a small world today....I will have to wait until the 'other set of locks' is here and I only have one key blank left now, so I will preorder a second one so I can have 2 keys made by the locksmith.
Thanx to everybody for their input. I didn't think they would be able to cut the keys right here.
Anyways now we got the confirmation that the number stamped on the pssgr door lock is indeed the key code.
btw Jay, I ws referring to the door locks only. The 1957 ignition key has a different profile than the door one and will not even go in the door lock.
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2016-11-02 08:14
btw Jay, I ws referring to the door locks only. The 1957 ignition key has a different profile than the door one and will not even go in the door lock.
Somebody must have changed the ignition switch or door locks, they should be the same??
On my Ranchero, that was all original, the door locks and ignition switch all used the same original 1957 key.
Guenter
My door keys and ignition keys have matching side slots that line up the same
It is my trunk lock that is smooth on the sides and does not slide into the ignition and doors.
Then again, who knows what was changed on these cars over the years.
Jay
well I am confused....The keys for the door locks and ignition in my Del Rio will not interchange. Possibly the ignition switch has been replaced before? I thought they had different keys for locks and ign. I have learned something again! Jay, now I understand what you mean by changing the tumblers in the ign lock cylinder and make them fit the door lock key.
on my courier the door and ignition are the same and tailgate and glove box are the same glove box tailgate are round key and has ben the same the last wagon I had
Quote from: ragtop on 2016-11-02 18:33
on my courier the door and ignition are the same and tailgate and glove box are the same glove box tailgate are round key and has ben the same the last wagon I had
Same on my 51 coupe, believe that is pretty much same on Ford's for many years, think my 66 fairlane was that way also.
Zap :unitedstates:
now I'm going out to look and check for the glovebox lock and hopefuly I can find the tailgate one also. somethings phoney here with my Del Rio.
Quote from: Zapato on 2016-11-02 19:05
Same on my 51 coupe, believe that is pretty much same on Ford's for many years, think my 66 fairlane was that way also.
Zap :unitedstates:
My 65 Bird is the same key for doors and ignition. Glove box and trunk are the same.
Since I'm using a late model column, had locksmith key the doors, glove box and trunk the same...round key.
Ignition and glove box are the same, doors and trunk are the same, when new.
Ranchero?
Can't say about the Ranchero as the ignition key has been long gone. The 300 had the same key for the ignition and doors. I know the 300 was bone stock as it had never been apart. I am using the ignition switch from the 300 and will use the door locks from it and I can say the lock for the glove box door from the 300 does not work with the ignition key. Can't say the Retractable is bone stock from the factory but the ignition switch does both, have not tried the glove box and there was only one key that came with it.
today I checked all of the keys from my Del Rio and I think they replaced or reworked some locks. the round key will unlock the doors AND tailgate. the squarish key will only unlock the ignition. none of them will unlock the glovebox.... :005: :003: it seems totally wrong to what most all of you said about their og cars.
now that I see that the round door key is going into the ign lock, I will rework its tumblers to door lock specs and maybe I can do the glovebox too. both keys go in that.
Guenter
This is going to be a nice winter project for you when you are buried under the snow and don't feel like going out. It's a nice clean "in the house job."
I put the springs and tumbler pieces in separate bowls to make it easier when fitting the pieces into the lock assemblies.
When you get into it, you will develop a system. Just remember that it can be done without filing any tumblers.
I will keep that in mind and try moving the tumblers around. I will post about my efforts later.
The intention was for the door/ignition key to be used as a "valet" key, the trunk/glove box was not to be given to a parking attendant to give the owner a safe place for valubles. Common practice.
Quote from: lalessi1 on 2016-11-04 08:02
The intention was for the door/ignition key to be used as a "valet" key, the trunk/glove box was not to be given to a parking attendant to give the owner a safe place for valubles. Common practice.
Damn! you are so smart, I would have never thought of that, but then again I would never let a valet touch my car :003:
:unitedstates:My 300 had been sitting for 13 years and nobody had the keys.I removed the doorlock(same as ignition)trunk and glovebox are the same key but the trunk has 2 more cuts.The glovebox is the least secure by design.There are only so many combinations.A locksmith put all the combinatons on a sheet of paper and starts in a particular order so as not to cut too deep thus ruining the key,trying the key after every cut.Sometimes the locksmith will need an additional blank in order to exhaust all combinations.My trunk was locked so it required several trips to the locksmith until we got the right combo.The first three cuts are the same as the glovebox...........I hope this helped.......racton
wow, that's some more interesting info coming up here! it means as soon as I have the right key for the trunk lock I only have to remove the other tumblers of the glovebox lock and it should be able to work on the trunk key.
Most vintage European cars also have a seperate key for the trunk and dash, for the reason Lynn stated.
Either somebody changed the lock on my tailgate. Or would it make sense that in a wagon ( where you have no trunk), the tailgate lock would be the same as on the doors? can any wagon owner confirm that their door locks work the tailgate also ?
You were all talking about sedan trunks!?
Raunch Wagon doors and tailgate are the same.
Man Lynn
You sure are smart. I would have never figured that out. In the old days they probably did let the valet park the car. Today people would be more inclined to break his arm if he even suggests touching the car. They wouldn't even know what the pedal to the left of the brake pedal is for anyways.
So if some of us set the car up for one key, it might more convenient because most likely the owner will be the only driver.
Today I had my key cut to the code on the pssgr door lock at a local locksmith. It worked out great and the door key also DOES UNLOCK the glove box compartment. My Country sedan is a very original car and it seems that nothing had been changed on it. Maybe this is a San Jose factory thing but ONE key does doors, gate AND glovebox, and the other is for iginition. This is exactly what I have here in my car.
there was a company called Curtis Industries. They made code cutters for all American and most foreign cars with the code books. Some locksmiths have these machines. They made two styles, one uses a big wheel with a gray gun shaped cutter. The later ones, used from the Late 1960's through the 1990's use cams and carriages so the cutter can be used to cut keys for several makes. The electronic keys with chips pretty much killed the business, but there are tons of those key machines out there. They also made a cutter to cut Master padlock key from the code. Ask your dealer if he still has his Curtis key cutter. Almost every dealer had one. Many still may have them in a drawer.
Does someone out there have a picture of Curtis key cutter that cokefirst is talking about? It sounds like a nice tool to have.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/152476047426?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_noapp=true
Thanks Gary
Now I wonder how many times I may have walked past those things at flea markets and never bothered to pick one up to look at it. I'll be more careful now. I would have to assume that they have different ones for different types of locks.
We learn something every day. Jay
crazy tool ! Very interesting, thanx !
ditto with Lynn, ignition and door, truck and glove box. I've owned a number of these cars in the day, all the same.