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Title: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2016-11-29 03:06
Well, this is my new 1957 Ford project. As some of you might already know I am totally addicted to the fifty-seven wagons and I have my 2dr Del Rio Ranch Wagon in the makings. That project went way out of what was originally planned and will take another 5-10 years to finish so I needed to get another 57 inbetween. I had been looking for 57s and investigating many cars for years, nearly giving up until finally finding a nice, reasonable project car in ? of all places ? Birmingham, England! It also happened that a friend of mine lives close and he assisted in making the deal for me. Talking about good friends when you need them. The wagon originally came from California and is quite sound. It has the usual floorboard rust that needs repaired and had some nasty rain gutter rust that the former owner repaired already.
There is some more rust areas in the a post dogleg area and a few small spots around the car. Other than that still a nice and solid, 99% original old 57 Ford wagon. The lower 4 inches of the car are great with original rockers, quarter panels, frontend and spare tire well still all untouched and intact.
The Country Sedan still has the original drivetrain in it, which after some tune up is still running strong. Since we wanted to meet anyways for other reason, I agreed with my English mate, I would be paying him getting the car over, which is what he did, a solid 1000 miles on the road in 1-1/2 days and at around 15mpg.
I had to promise to myself and especially Jay in Mass, that I would not start restoring it and keep it one piece without getting distracted too much, whis is exactly what I will do. Since it turned out so nice and original, I think that the repairs should be done good quality though to make it last.
Still I plan to repair as little and drive it as much as possible. 
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2016-11-29 03:08
few detail shots
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2016-11-29 03:09
some more
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2016-11-29 03:13
of course there is the other side and this needs to be dealt with soon.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2016-11-29 03:14
still alive and well  :003:
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2016-11-29 09:10
That car is surprisingly sound in most areas. Check the drain plugs on the inner rear quarters...they look like they need to be cleaned out, but you probably knew that. TA pillar work won't be too bad for someone with your skills....is it both pillars, or just the driver's side? The floorboard area that the PO must have started look amazingly solid under where the old floorboard was removed.

Question: on the inner rear quarters, that car appears to be smooth shaped metal...previously replaced? Unless the wagons are different from the passenger cars, there would be heavy verticle ribs formed into that panel every 4 or 5 inches.

Nice aquisition, DJ. Congrats, and thanks for sharing. I think your plans for this one are right on.
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Post by: junior58 on 2016-11-29 13:30
Awesome rolling restoration, looks like nothing that can't be fixed while still using it. Good find.
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Post by: Gibson68 on 2016-11-29 21:11
When I was younger there is no way I would own a wagon. Now everyone I see, I want! That's a good one you have there.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2016-11-30 03:28
Thanx guys !
Rich, the wagons have all flat inner rear quarters without the ribs.
Had the CS on the lift yesterday and I am blown away by the condition of the frame, rockers, wheelwells, quarters. all solid and dry and 100% og. yes both a posts are rottet on the outer skins at the doglegs. the raingutters were rustet through in places and obviously let the water down in the posts and on the floorboards. rear floorboards have been cut out and again need replaced too. still a fair amount of work to be done.
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Post by: Jeff Norwell on 2016-11-30 06:32
G!.... wagon looks terrific!.... very clean and with your talent.. it will be amazing.I too am doing a rolling resto of sorts...I feel its the best way to have fun.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2016-12-10 17:46
Done quite a lot of smaller projects on the wagon.
keys and locks sorted.
cheap home improvement porch carpet for cargo area, full length.
gas pedal screws sorted.
cleaned all switch terminals and dash lights dimmer and works like new again.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2016-12-10 17:50
cleaned debris from inside pssgr door
and put important sticker on  :002:
Rod&Surf by Mooneyes was applied by former owner but I think it fits the car well.
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Post by: lalessi1 on 2016-12-10 18:01
 It sure looks solid! Gotta love that sticker!
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2016-12-11 07:37
What a great find and should make a good project. I really wish you people would stop stealing our cars or just take the Chevies  :003: :003: :003:
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2016-12-11 16:33
Just helping California getting rid of their environmental hazards since 1973.... :002:

Honestly you guys should start thinking about buying back cars from Europe, now that the excange rate has dropped to nearly 1 to 1.
Sometimes looking through the classifieds it feels as if there were more vintage American cars in Sweden and Germany than in the US by now. A lot of cars have been shipped over the last 10 years.
I am sure glad that the previous English owner brought this one over for me to have. It has quite some floorboard and a-post rust (like most 57s from factory design) but is unbelievably original and sound in the rockers, fenders, quarter panels.
I am really starting to like this old wagon.
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2016-12-12 08:09
It's really amazing that there are thousands of classic cars still left, and as many left wing wacko politicians that want to get rid of them  :005:

I like the wagons too, I'd rather have a wagon then a ranchero.
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Post by: Jeff Norwell on 2016-12-13 15:08
That is awesome G.
Love wagons!
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Post by: junior58 on 2016-12-13 18:36
I'd love a wagon to accompany my Fairlane, preferably a Ranchwagon, though I'd also have a Country Sedan.......and a Ranchero........ and a Custom 300.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2016-12-16 08:35
Got all lights converted to Euro specs (must-have for inspection). orange rear and front blinkers. white driving lights in headlamps and H4 (non sealed beam) main. Using BOSCH Night Breaker H4 bulbs and they do put out some really bright light.
put a pair of neat Australian truck headlight covers on. Not that we have kangaroos here in Austria, that need to be deflected from the headlights, but I just love how they further exeggerate the 57s 'forward' rake of  headlights and fender tips.
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Post by: clusterbuster on 2016-12-16 19:08
Where did you buy the bulbs jackman, and are they a direct replacement without using any resistors etc?
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2016-12-17 04:29
The headlights themselves are a direct replacement for the sealed beams and no modification is needed on the headlight buckets, or ring. I bought them from Limora, which is a German shop for vintage British car parts. Most of the MGs Jaguars aso they have 7" headlights (take care that you get LHD units, as they point the light to the right). The H4 Night Breaker bulbs I bought directly from BOSCH. they are very bright and well worth their money ( around 35 a pair).
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Post by: Jeff Norwell on 2016-12-17 05:37
G,.. do you guys in Austria have yearly Inspections?... or just one to get the car on the road?
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2016-12-17 06:52
there is main inspection before car gets new title, and yearly full inspection for renewal for older daily drivers. every other year if car is registered as historical vehicle with a driving limit of 1800miles a year. rules are VERY strict, Jeff.
That's why I have to get so many things done over winter BEFORE I actually can have the car inspected.
Until now I drove it legaly on dealer/garage plates which do allow for a certain amount of disrepair.
Rust through spots on car are a total NO-GO on registered vehicles. not even dime sized holes in wheel wells or lower fenders. so all of the floorboards and a posts have to be taken care of before.
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Post by: lalessi1 on 2016-12-17 08:22
I finally got my YOM plate/registration. Funny how regs are different everywhere. In the banana republic of Louisiana a YOM plate is permanent, no annual fees, no inspections, initial or otherwise and no limit on driving milage. :003:
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2016-12-17 08:31
YIKES!! Thats really restricted mileage, with those regulations I would only be able to drive about two months locally, and with a few long distance trips even less. No limit in California, they know the more gas you burn the more tax they collect  :003:
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2016-12-17 09:33
Lynn and Jim, you are both living in car paradise...honestly. Same with former owner in England. no yearly inspection, tax excempt and registration inspection cost 16 GBP ($20). monthly insurance GBP 12 ( $15).
now- my main inspection fee will be over $500, every second year inspection around 60 and annual fees, safety insurance (no theaft or fire or damage to car included) and taxes around $1k every year. Add the Euro gas cost.... :005:
and the law says  1800miles and 6 month a year driving limit. at full taxes. Must be different opinion of fairplay up there.
And now that I am putting all my savings in being able to come up with the registration fees I will have nothing left to pay for the 1800 miles gas anyways.... :003:
( how do I say that politely....? It's a mistery to me why after 9 months of driving this year, the odometer added over 5000 miles on my 1934 Ford, while I had actally only driven it for 1799 miles.... :003:)
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Post by: gasman826 on 2016-12-17 14:31
Makes me think of being 16 and my Mom wrote down the mileage before letting me take the family car.  Didn't take me any time at all to figure out how to drive to town and crawl up under the dash and unhook the speedo cable.

hope my Mom doesn't read this!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2016-12-17 15:16
I guess I can't complain, $160 a year registration because they consider a ranchero a commercial vehicle, no inspections or mileage limit..
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2016-12-17 21:00
SWEET! Nice looking potential for a daily driver!!! Congrats!


Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2016-11-29 03:06
Well, this is my new 1957 Ford project. As some of you might already know I am totally addicted to the fifty-seven wagons and I have my 2dr Del Rio Ranch Wagon in the makings.
Still I plan to repair as little and drive it as much as possible. ?
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2016-12-17 21:06
SPOT ON! Took the words right off my fingertips! Hope they all asphyxiate in their battery cars!


Quote from: hiball3985 on 2016-12-12 08:09
It's really amazing that there are thousands of classic cars still left, and as many left wing wacko politicians that want to get rid of them  :005:
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2016-12-18 10:11
getting many little things finished these days. Since the CS had a blankout I am using the clock out of my DR RW. My father restored the movement(s) earlier this year and now it was finally time to get the housings cleaned and everything assembled.

I cleaned the original inside paint as good as possible and clearcoated it so no flaking paint would be on the face later on. Notice the og blackout color scheme for the dash lights.
I decided against the faded fluorescent orange on the pointers and used 2 layers of candy apple red over tan primer to give it a little pep. finally all the cleaned parts lined up for assembly.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2016-12-18 10:15
movment with pointers on and overnight test run on battery.
clocks next to each other ( I restored a 58 as well. more later)
here's a little video of both clocks , accompanied with a cute Brenda Lee Christmas song on the radio:
https://youtu.be/jl3VWcSwHps (https://youtu.be/jl3VWcSwHps)

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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2016-12-18 10:23
here's the 58 movement ticking away :004:

https://youtu.be/KN0Dgt99eko (https://youtu.be/KN0Dgt99eko)

https://youtu.be/eGepVxe94GI (https://youtu.be/eGepVxe94GI)
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2016-12-18 10:27
Here's Brenda full length :002:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozMVwMpVtmA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozMVwMpVtmA)
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Post by: lalessi1 on 2016-12-18 11:44
Guenter, everytime you post something I am blown away. Your clocks look better than new, I would have never thought about the needle color. I loved the VW truck video as well. Happy Holidays!  :003:
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2016-12-18 13:04
Heck, I may send my clocks down to you so you can re-condition them for me! Well done and great work!?


Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2016-12-18 10:23
here's the 58 movement ticking away :004:

https://youtu.be/KN0Dgt99eko (https://youtu.be/KN0Dgt99eko)

https://youtu.be/eGepVxe94GI (https://youtu.be/eGepVxe94GI)
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Post by: Limey57 on 2016-12-18 15:58
Looks like an excellent and straight forward project!  I'd also love a wagon but I'm not looking at anything else until I finish the Ranchero! 

We also have a yearly inspection but that has now been dropped for pre-1960 vehicles, sounds like a good deal but these things are rarely given without something being demanded back in return, rumours are restricted use and limits on modifications, but it's early days yet.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2016-12-18 17:47
thx guys!
my friend Mark from Forthampton introduced me a little to the British vintage car rules and also about his opinion on BREXIT... we can only  :005: let's see if it really happens. I doubt it.
Gary I am glad to hear that I didn't steal the wgn out of your home hunting grounds. Really lucky and happy to get it.
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2016-12-19 08:05
Guenter, those look great. My clock doesn't work at this point, maybe a project for the future. When I painted the needles on the speedo and other gauges I used a florescent paint from a hobby shop for models and a small brush, great selection of colors. Years ago when doing the ones in my truck I used fingernail polish, another source of unlimited colors and it comes with a brush  :003:.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2016-12-19 09:00
the fingernail polish is something I wouldn't have thought of, great idea !
not a fan of fluorescent orange honestly (it hurts my vintage eye :003:) and I was concerned about their fading characteristics. maybe today's paint is better than in 57, when it was just in its infancy and mostly used in military aeromotive applications.
Obviously too many thoughts spent on a stupid little detail like that anyways. It's just that I have a cold and didn't want to start the dirty grinding and welding work on the floors before Christmas. New year should see some important work getting done on the CS.
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2016-12-19 09:37
I'll probably fade away before the paint  :003: The one I found was almost an exact match to the original. I wasn't looking for an exact match, it was just luck, I'm not a purist on every detail.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2016-12-19 10:40
 :003:
yes we are not going to keep these forever, are we? Maybe the next owner will be delighted by the little candy apple red pointers... :002:
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2016-12-19 12:14
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2016-12-19 10:40
:003:
yes we are not going to keep these forever, are we? Maybe the next owner will be delighted by the little candy apple red pointers... :002:
Yes, my son has already taken the little bottle of paint, he's just waiting for the car to go with it  :003:
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-01-12 17:46
time for a little new year's work. ordered ASA/ABS plastic sheet for interior panels. 2mm ( approx 5/64). Have used these before in other projects and they have a nice leatherette grained texture, easy to cut and sand and resistant to sunlight and moisture.
this is a quick fix but could be covered with vinyl anytime. I like it better than the marine plywood I used for the DelRio, as it's thinner. especially nice to use for kick panels and cargo area as these panels have to fit inside moldings. huge improvement over the og pressboard panels and will never warp again.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-01-12 17:51
same goes for kick panels. the cardboard reproductions are simply junk. cheap, but not even worth their money. they warped as soon as the sun went away. :003: remade it all from ASA sheet. perfect fit inside the molding channel, no fraying on the edge, no warpage.will do for some time.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-01-12 17:53
looks ok.
next will be the C pillar panels. original construction of leatherette over cardboard, sheetmetal and pressboard has disintegrated beyond repair
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-01-12 20:53
Your usual great job, Guenter. They have a nice clean fresh look to them. What are the plans for replacing the rotted sheetmetal stuff?
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Post by: lalessi1 on 2017-01-12 21:15
I have found that ABS has a waxy feeling surface that doesn't like glue or paint... is it just me or am I missing something????
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Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-01-12 21:29
Guenter
   The panels look great.   Now you don't have to worry about them warping.  I like the surface texture also.    Jay
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Post by: SkylinerRon on 2017-01-12 21:49
Re; Dayglow paint
Don't paint your gauges. The weight of the paint will make the gauges inaccurate.
MagicMarkers will work.

Ron.
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-01-12 22:01
Great looking panels Guenter. Many years ago I did something similar from a material that was used for the interior of an airplane rebuild, I got the left overs. Very flexible, had a nice texture and held up well with heat and moisture.
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Post by: Mavaholic on 2017-01-13 03:02
I used the same stuff to make all the interior panels for my Country Sedan. I like it.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-01-13 04:21
Very cool! I plan to do exactly that on some of the door panels, that are all original and saveable. 3 of them will do for now but pssgr front pressboard is totally warped and lower cardboard falls to pieces. In spring I will pull the the og stamped vinyl from the old panel and try putting it on the new straight ABS panel.
@Lynn, there are many different types of plastic and some the glue won't stick to. I have had no problems with these ASA/ABS sheets but I ordered a special type ABS contact glue for the door panel repair. so that'll be ok hopefully. obviously Mavaholic had no problem upholstering his door panels.
@Rich: I will probably ommit the reinforcement sheet metal for the C pillars. The ABS board seems stiff enough.
@Jay and Jim. I don't usually like plastic, but this is really a nice material to work with and the texture looks much better in reality than on digital pics. I have been using it in 1934 Fords (firewall, kick panels) as well and it doesn't look out of place

@Ron: weight of paint on gauges is worth considering, thx. It doesn't really matter on the clock pointers though. I only used thin layers.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-01-22 17:21
c pillar panels done. Now I am just waiting for it to get a little warmer so I can finally start on the floorboards.
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-01-22 17:36
Looking good!
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Post by: Jeff Norwell on 2017-01-28 07:00
Outstanding G.
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Post by: Limey57 on 2017-01-28 12:46
Excellent work.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-01-29 03:37
Thanx guys! Been a bit lazy lately, a few small things achieved.
vertical vent wing seals replaced and put some natural rubber foam seal around the perimeter of the air cleaner cover. seems the og filter element had a lip that covered the ring gap.
BTW does anybody know the meaning of the 'SY' letters to the rear of the cleaner housing ?
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-01-29 03:40
I still have to think about how to attack the floorboard repair, so I started with a 'little' project, like fixing the rusted out headlight dipswitch cover  :003:
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-01-29 04:43
Nice work on the switch cover! Looks good as new!

No idea what the "SY" means...someone ought to know...I would think. Sorry.
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-01-29 13:07
No idea what the SY is for? I had a Fram filter that had the lip to seal it, the Wix I'm using doesn't  :005:
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-01-29 15:50
Jim I would think the SY was either a manufacturer's badge or denoting the type of filter element needed. it is exactly to the rear of the filter though and also where the inner baffle of the snorkel ends. Still no clue about it.
I find it annoying that aftermarket sellers offer replacement things that actually do not do what they are supposed to. with the brandnew 'YOM correct' filter there was a gap about of at least 1/8" all around. From old factory pics I figured the og element had a sealing lip around, which is why I added the self sticking foam. that stuff comes cheap from an industrial machinery hardware shop and it lasts a long time. Natural rubber foam does not soak water.
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-01-29 16:42
Yes mine has a gap also. The original style air filter had a wider lip on the top that sealed that area.
I run my snorkel forward, cheap super charging  :003:
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-01-29 17:30
you've got a super tidy engine compartment there Jim! love it !
I seem to remember that you have a T85 or 4spd manual in the Ranchero, right ?
You don't have the bellcrank for the Auto kickdown. on my factory Auto Y block car, the air cleaner housing would not clear the bellcrank if I rotated the snorkel to the front, Too bad.
Now that I cant get E-Z supercharging I will have to look for an F code car.... :002: :003:
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-01-29 18:17
Yes G, I'm running a T-85. I didn't know the linkage for an auto had a clearance problem with the air cleaner housing. All my 57's over the years have been sticks except a Fairlane that had an auto and I only kept it 3 days  :003: You have no choice but finding an F code.. I have F code valve springs and retainer, thats about all the F code I can afford :005:
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Post by: Ford Blue blood on 2017-01-30 07:44
Found an air cleaner that fits well.  Have to get the number off it.  Seals up correctly on the top.
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-01-30 08:46
Before I found an original type I thought about using an early GM ( did I say that?  :005: ) double snorkel.
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Post by: Ford Blue blood on 2017-01-31 07:58
Filter I have is a NAPA Gold 2041.  About 1/8" short of touching the bottom of the housing.  Put in 1/4" weather strip stuck to the bottom of the housing and all is good.  Thought a 61, 2, or 3 Bird filter would work but it is way too short.  Diameter is good and the top seal is good but the Bird housing is not as deep as the Fairlane.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-01 04:12
Great info, thanx Bill. also available on ebay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2041-NAPA-Air-Filter-Gold-/350558744507?hash=item519eedefbb:g:~moAAOSwYlJW2smt&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2041-NAPA-Air-Filter-Gold-/350558744507?hash=item519eedefbb:g:~moAAOSwYlJW2smt&vxp=mtr)

started on the floorboards amd managed to save the driver's toeboard. Going for a reasonable floorboard repair,but still need a good foundation to weld things to. Especially the toeboard/tunnel corner as it's where the gas pedal sits.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-01 04:15
replaced inner rocker flange and repaired lower a posts. cleaned out braces and they will get coated with Rustoleum soon. I use Owatrol to seal all the overlapping sheetmetal and tight corners. it nicely creeps nearly everywhere.
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-02-01 04:17
DAMN! When you are done with your floorboards...you can come do mine! I don't weld...so that is one of the things I need to get he;p with. And my boards (as you can see in my build thread) would make Fred Flintstone feel right at home! Look nice! Well done!
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-01 04:34
G'dmorning Hugh! The only problems with the faulty floorboards in a 57 were the dreaded cowl vent drain rubber pieces.If it wasn't for them disintegrating we wouldn't have all those trouble today. It's funny that often desert cars have worse floorboards as the sun and heat obviously took their toll on the rubber pieces.
Anyways the floorboards are not too complicated, but they do require quite some work. When you go looking for the right person to do the weld work on yours, be sure that he is patient and doing one thing after another. No need to slap it all together without thinking and you have your rust still trapped in the braces, rockers or else. When the time comes to replace floors, it's just not so much more work to clean out and seal those areas.
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-02-01 04:53
Ah...the rubbers! Mine were so hard and rotted...they looked like afterthoughts! UGH! I see they are available though...which is good! I wish I knew how to weld...I am pretty anal when it comes to doing things one way...and that means getting EVERYTHING cleaned out. I drive my buddy Bob nuts sometimes. He does admit though that he has never gone as far as I am going with this car for the process of restoration/rodding. So he pretty much has stopped kidding me about things, as he agrees things look so nice when I get done.
A friend of his from his racing days is going to do the frame welding...and probably the floors...and he is indeed an excellent welder. My concern is that he is used to welding stuff for the short term either at his work or on the race cars. I want what I want...which is perfection...or as close as I can get to it. So I suspect before this car is done...I will own a welder, and be learning to use it. LOL!!! I have been watching the stuff you have done...and I am horribly jealous at the work you have done on many parts. Wish we were closer so I could sit and watch some of what you have done. I trust me analness to carry me through though! It is coming along...slowly...but steadily.
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Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-02-01 04:56
Günter
    You are doing a nice job.  That corner curve looks nice as usual and you did a nice job of cleaning out the junk that is usually in the floor brace.  I also notice that you had to cut back some of the top of the upper part of the rocker panel step plate area.  Are you going to open that piece a little more so you can inspect  and clean the inner rocker panel area that you can reach?
Jay
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-01 05:22
Good morning Jay !
that little curved piece took quite some time to make, but I managed to save the og toeboards and not needing to cut pieces from my patch panels intended to go in the Del Rio at some later point.
the front step plates (upper rocker sill plate area) are rusted out in places and I cut as much as needed for the moment. I left some of it in place intentionally for keeping the rigidity and shape of the rocker/inner rocker/braces. When I am done with the floorboards I will most probably cut out all of the step plate area between A and b posts. this will give me a chance to clean out and seal the rockers inside. replacing the top metal will be easy welding along the (stiff) outer edge of the rocker.
@Mustang6984 I totally agree with what you are saying about cleanliness. Even if we have to make patches and quick fixes sometimes it is no good putting new metal on top of rusty braces or even worse OVER the perforated twin layers of old crusty metal. That needs to come out before.
would have loved to have the structure bead blasted or rust acid removed, but it's out of the question for this is a lowbrow, daily driver projects and I must not make it into an endless project like my Del Rio.
Yes take a good look under your dash corners und you will find those stupid molded rubber pieces crumbled to dust. Repros are available but I replace them with double layer braided industrial HD hose. those are not going to dry rot in hundred years :003:
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Post by: gasman826 on 2017-02-01 06:48
Quote from: mustang6984 on 2017-02-01 04:53
.............I will own a welder, and be learning to use it.
If working with steel, you need a torch and welder.  The floors are a perfect place to learn and improve your welding skills.  BEFORE YOU BUY;  If available in your area, take a welding class at a vocational, trade, or community college.  If one is not available, your welding supply dealer should be able to point you to a work shop or some kind of orientation.  Not only do you get initial welding tips, but also safety and model specific features are discussed.  I enrolled in my local vocational school welding class just for the opportunity to play with 14, brand new makes/models of MIG welders!  If you find welding satisfying and enjoyable (if not, pay someone else to do the job) then and only then buy the smallest, 220V, MIG welder with gas tank.  GET THE SAFETY STUFF!!!...gloves, jacket, leather shoes, auto dark helmet, fire extinguisher...  It can be such a great thrill to stick to pieces of steel together!
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-02-01 07:44
You European guys like G and Gary leave me in awe with your fabrication skills. It must be the water :003: I have been following this guys build, for those who haven't seen it before. He started with a rusted out hulk that didn't even have an engine. After installing a used I6 and getting it running it has been amazing to watch, many pieces that couldn't be purchased he hand fabricated. It's a long series, something for rainy days..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2a3ynyjCmY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0A13_qp55Y
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-02-01 08:07
Nice thorough job, Guenther. watching almost makes me want to do another car...almost.
Mustang....what Gary said about the welding....particularly the 220 v with a tank...NO flux core!! Make learning how to weld a priority. It'll change your life, and mig welding is easy to learn to be adequate. I cannot imagine restoring one of these without knowing how to weld.
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-02-01 13:12
I have thought about taking a welding class...and would like to one day. BUT...with this car...time is kind of not on my side for that at the moment. So I may have to just rely on others to get the welding done.
I know a couple of guys (not living near me anymore) who have taught themselves to weld, and do a very good job. And I have thought about going that route. But for now, on this project, I guess I'll probably move along with the fellow who said he would do the work, and just be persistent in getting what I want the way I want it.

But everything you both said about learning...makes sense...lots of sense. Thanks.
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Post by: Limey57 on 2017-02-01 15:11
I agree with others comments about welding courses, I did an engineering apprenticeship several years ago where I was taught gas, arc and MIG, all were a great help.  One of the biggest problems facing the home-restorer is the MIG wire starting to oxidise/corrode through lack of use (probably not a problem for those in warmer climates), the other common problem is not cleaning the adjoining edges properly, I've seen so many people trying to get a good weld onto painted/undercoated/rusted metal!  I always sand the edges with a flap-wheel in a grinder, even on new steel.

Nothing beats practise and nothing looks better than a neatly welded, metal-finished repair.
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Post by: Limey57 on 2017-02-01 15:12
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2017-02-01 07:44
You European guys like G and Gary leave me in awe with your fabrication skills. It must be the water :003:

Nah, long cold, wet days that seem to last for 11 months of the year and rubbish TV means that going in the garage is the only way to keep ourselves entertained!!!!!
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Post by: Limey57 on 2017-02-01 15:14
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-01 04:15
replaced inner rocker flange and repaired lower a posts. cleaned out braces and they will get coated with Rustoleum soon. I use Owatrol to seal all the overlapping sheetmetal and tight corners. it nicely creeps nearly everywhere.

Excellent work, any idea what the flat panel under the floor is for (the one with the "X" shape pressed into it)?  I assumed some sort of re-enforcement but it doesn't seem to do a great deal other than trap rust.
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-02-01 15:45
Not 100% sure, but I believe those were heat shields for the mufflers.  Although my not-original muffler was not in that location.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-01 18:20
yes they are heat shields on both sides, because the mufflers are right under the drivers and pssgr feet. they are approx 3/4 " distance from the actual floorboards.
Gary, can you please say 'rubbish' for us in your Birmingham accent ? :003:
I agree with taking welding class. It is not so hard to learn and even quality welders come fairly reasonably priced today. everyone can afford to have one.
I was very lucky to learn all kinds of welding in technical school and only practise and looking at other talented guys will make you a certified welder. I do think that taking welding class also improves talking to your trusted person doing the welding even if you don't do the welding yourself. It will improve your understanding what can and can't be done with old and new metal and will help alot in advising what you want done.
I am doing nothing magic here. just solid, patient and clean work. As Limey mentioned, clean tools, wire, quality gas and thorough metal preparation is the key to success.
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Post by: Wirenut on 2017-02-01 18:56
I'm a self taught welder (started out as pigeon pooper). I ruined a few thin body panels attempting to learn how to weld thin body panels on a mustang donor car I had. I really do wish I had taken some classes in hindsight. I do enjoy being able to fabricate pretty much anything I need and repair as needed too. It is rewarding to be able to weld up a table, work bench, hog trap and put it to work knowing you did that from scratch and did all the welding.
Regarding those heat shield under the driver and passenger floors, I got in an argument at a muffler shop I took my 57 to install the mufflers on. I told them I wanted to put the mufflers below those heat shields and the owner told me he had been installing mufflers for 40 years and on that car they needed to go to the rear of the car. I ended up taking the car to another shop and they installed them under the shield.
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-02-01 20:49
Guys like that clown REALLY annoy the hell out of me! Which is why I have had a hard time finding a machine shop to do the work for the bottom end of my 390. I have specific things I want done, and I don't want to argue the point. This is far from my first time with an engine overhaul/rebuild, and some of these clowns take the attitude of "leave it here, I'll do the work, and call you when I am done...and you WILL like it". Eh...my kiester...your lips buddy!
I think I may have finally found one...will be heading 70 miles down the road to have a chat with him soon.

I understand where you are all coming from about the welding...fully!!! And I agree. But...as mentioned above...time is an issue on this job, n one available for sitting the project aside to go to a class for 3-4 months. So...I'll have to just deal with the fellow who is doing my work, and we'll get it done.
I have saved a couple of hoods and a door for the purpose of practicing welding should I have to "self-teach"...and I have access to a welder...and for some reason I actually OWN a stick welder.  So I may start playing around with the MIG and see how much damage I can do to one of those hoods! LOL!!!

Regarding those heat shield under the driver and passenger floors, I got in an argument at a muffler shop I took my 57 to install the mufflers on. I told them I wanted to put the mufflers below those heat shields and the owner told me he had been installing mufflers for 40 years and on that car they needed to go to the rear of the car. I ended up taking the car to another shop and they installed them under the shield.
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-02-01 21:56
I think most exhausts that I've seen actually have them back under the rear seat area. If you're wanting an X or H pipe before the mufflers, it's the only way.
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-02-01 23:13
On my car, it isn't much of an issue...since it is a Courier. And I'll be putting an "X" pipe in it. I think those of us with Couriers...have an easier life overall! hehehehehehehe!
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-07 03:56
floor progress
did a budget repair on the fronts, not 100% og, but is solid and covers the gaping hole. could be replaced with OEM ribbed section later on.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-07 03:58
put a little more effort into the middle section at the 3rd brace as I want this to last forever and never have to come out of the car again.
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-02-07 04:53
Looks good! Once it's covered with mat and carpet...it'll look like factory original! LOL!!! If it's solid...then no worries...and I suspect it IS solid...given what I have seen of your other work!
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Post by: Marc on 2017-02-07 07:25
Nice work!
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Post by: Limey57 on 2017-02-07 09:28
Excellent work!
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-02-07 10:57
Very Nice! Progressing right along.
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Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-02-07 21:14
Günter
    The way that you cleaned up and painted the inner parts / top of the braces is very important.  That
will give them some protection. 
     You put a lot of time into those floor panels and it looks great. 
      Keep up the good work and continue to keep us posted.  We like pictures.
Jay
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-08 03:43
Thanx guys, I appreciate your compliments as this is a different route for me this time in not restoring it to OEM specs but making quite simple repairs to get this car streetlegal.
I had previously made a factory correct ribbed patch panel for the rear floor pan for the Del Rio, but decided it was going to take too long to make both and deep dished repair panels for the CS, especially since the repair area needed is tunnel to rocker width.
came up with an easier solution and now have patterns already for the right side.welds still need dressed.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-08 03:43
made sure all the deeply rusted tin was removed and made the patch from 2 parts, making it easier to fit. This car is going to get used with Cruising 5 or 6 people so I wanted to have recessed rear feetwells instead of just making flat patches.

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Post by: Lgcustom on 2017-02-08 07:15
It's really gratifying to see such meticulous craftsmanship. Just amazing!
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-02-08 08:05
Great approach. I'm wondering why the footwell area on the wagons are shaped so much different than my 2 dr sedan. I'm talking about the area between the footwell and the door that widens as it goes back making the footwell narrower. My sedan goes pretty much straight back there, but I'll take a look to verify what I said.
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-02-08 08:27
Quote from: RICH MUISE on 2017-02-08 08:05
Great approach. I'm wondering why the footwell area on the wagons are shaped so much different than my 2 dr sedan. I'm talking about the area between the footwell and the door that widens as it goes back making the footwell narrower. My sedan goes pretty much straight back there, but I'll take a look to verify what I said.
I noticed the same thing and wondered why. May be a difference between 2 door and 4 door models? In the one picture before the panel is installed it looks like the frame curves inward in that area?
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Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-02-08 09:20
   I have the same question about that and am going to take a look at mine today because they are original with no repairs.  I'm sure that Günter will explain that.  It does look like his frame slopes inward
at that point making the back wells for  the feet more narrow. 
     Günter  are you sure that you didn't install one of those no name brand X frames under that nice car when we were not looking?    We are waiting for a report. 
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-02-08 10:32
I need to do the rears on mine also ( thats what I said last year and the year before  :003: ). The previous owner did them but it's a home made mess. I already have the replacement sections and there is no angle like that.
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Post by: Limey57 on 2017-02-08 11:50
On mine I used VW Beetle floor pan panels as the recessed shape is similar to the Ford one.

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Post by: Limey57 on 2017-02-08 11:54
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-08 03:43
made sure all the deeply rusted tin was removed and made the patch from 2 parts, making it easier to fit. This car is going to get used with Cruising 5 or 6 people so I wanted to have recessed rear feetwells instead of just making flat patches.

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Now that looks neat!
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-02-08 12:44
It really does....like I said in an earlier post, it makes me almost want to do another car. I really miss the cutting and welding stuff.
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Post by: Ford Blue blood on 2017-02-08 12:52
2X   I love the sorting, fabricating and repairing things that folks have quit on.  Figuring out a problem and making it work is up there as well!
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Post by: Limey57 on 2017-02-08 13:00
And me. Replacing rusted metal with neat repairs that are invisible when finished is the best bit for me.
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Post by: gasman826 on 2017-02-08 13:16
Quote from: RICH MUISE on 2017-02-08 12:44
It really does....like I said in an earlier post, it makes me almost want to do another car. I really miss the cutting and welding stuff.
Just stop by anytime...I got lots to do.  It's kinda like being a grandparent...when it's not fun anymore, just go home!
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-08 16:05
Guys, it really is fun to get going on the metal. I took out all the seats, no carpet, wound down all the door glass and masked all the other glass, dash and steering. The paint on the car is just drivers quality or less. so no regrets.  :003: I can let the spark fly wherever I want...
Gary ( Limey) I would love to once do my Del Rio undercarriage like you did the Ranchero. love it when they are clean like that.

There is a very simple solution on the rear footwells and it has nothing to do with 4dr or wagon or even frame swapping to foreign brands. I confess I simply did change that area to my likings. first it was easier to fabricate without having to build compound shapes and the way I built it with double layer seam it is much stronger as well. that's the area the rear folding seat will rest on its stand and I DO use and load my cars frequently and heavily.
I lost maybe 2" in width but saved at least 5 to 10 working hours. reason for the tapered shape is that the exhaust pipes are routed along the frame and the rearmost corner of the footwell has to clear the exhaust. Didn't want to go to the length of fabricating original shaped patches nor order EMS panels ( overseas shipping and customs/taxes will be more than the cost of the panels. I calculated approx $900 for the 2 rear pach panels. Now that's a good reason for loosing 2 inches of legroom).
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-02-08 16:16
That's why I'd never attempt to do a factory restoration.......it allows us to do what we want/is better for us, to modify things as we see fit. Kuddos!!
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-08 16:35
Rich, I am very comfortable at the moment with repairing the wagon the way you just said. I was discussing that approach in length wiht Jay and he pointed out and made very clear, that if I was going to do a restoration like on the Del Rio, I would not be driving a 57 in another 10 years. We know how things get out of control as soon as we disassemble these cars. I was going back and forth several times and made up my mind to take this route. I know that some of you might not approve of that but I am not ruining the car.maybe it's just a temporary solution for the next 10 years. The floorboards needed replaced (were already cut by previous owner). They could be restored with factory correct patch panels anytime. I am very lucky that this car has all solid og rockers and fenderwells/quarters.
I like the look with dressed welds
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Did a few more patches on the pssgr side and preparing for the RH rear footwell.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-08 16:43
I am using 18 gauge automotive zinc plated sheetmetal, it is very stiff ( no tin can effect on rear footwell).
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-02-08 17:15
100% agree with what you're doing, as I'm sure most everybody else does here. These aren't Dusenburgs we're trying to get road worthy. Carry on, sir!!
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-08 17:31
Thanx Rich, much appreciated. Tomorrow's just another day....(for welding and grinding) :003:
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Post by: Wirenut on 2017-02-08 19:51
Very impressive metal work. I'm like Rich, I miss the metal work. Of all the work I did on the car I think the metal work was the most rewarding. Thanks for posting the photos, it's nice to be able to watch your progression.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-09 03:15
Thank you !
I will keep posting progress pics as I go. With the Country Sedan I want to finish the welding and metal work asap, so I can put the interior back in and it will be a driver again by spring. There are enough little bodywork projects for later like tailgate, part of raingutters aso. For those of you who would like to tackle some more welding and fabricating, why don't you just get yourself a new project. There are SO MANY old cars outthere on Craigslist, Hemmings, ebay.... that need welding, most all of them. And you don't have to spend a fortune. Driving 1950s or 60s projects can still be found under 4k. If some of you wanted to do metal work as a hobby and not going to the length of restoring and spending all the time and money for the full car, why don't you just snag a $500 body and frame roller, fix that body with sheetmetal in the backyard and sell it on to somebody who will put the expensive finishing touches to it like paint, engine work, interior, seals. Just saying. It's never too late to start a new project. If some of you were concerned about running out of time, think about Gene Winfield who just finished his latest project (chopped Buick Wildcat) at 89years old. I am sure he is already going on the next one. :002:
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-02-09 04:34
LOL!!! Rich...since you are missing cutting and welding stuff...I have a suggestion for you...there is food involved...beer in the evening...and LOTS of cutting and welding...in a warm shop! On a Courier...in Port Angeles, WA... :laughing7: :laughing7: :laughing7:
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-02-09 04:40
I like it...it's sounding like this is going to be a driver...and once covered with mat and carpet...no one will know any different. Looks good...will be efficient...and ON THE ROAD! Where it belongs! Keep on with the great work! I think you're ding great!

Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-08 16:35
I know that some of you might not approve of that but I am not ruining the car.
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Post by: gasman826 on 2017-02-09 07:27
There is a thought that we never really own anything...we are just the stewards or care givers of property.  Doing maintenance on your land or car is saving it for the next generation of stewardship.  My wagon floors has poorly formed patches pop riveted in place without removing the rust.  Forty years ago, this was a commonly accepted concept of temporary repair.  Today, we are armed with better and readily available metal working tools and support network.  Looking back on the temporary, pop rivet repairs are unacceptable and pretty sketchy, those repairs helped the Raunch Wagon continue as a daily driver and survive 60 years to go under the knife and upgrade the floor repairs to todays' standard.  Who knows, fifty years from now, someone will shake the head at my repairs as they setup their 3D printer and printer new OEM floors!  But, if I hadn't done my part as steward, the Raunch Wagon wouldn't survive for the next generation to have the opportunity to shake their head and share the joy we have experienced.  Whatever you do, right, wrong, rodding, or 'numbers matching', it can be undone and changed to the standard of the next steward.  You are preserving your project and giving the future steward a chance to make it their own.
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Post by: Ford Blue blood on 2017-02-09 07:47
Golly Gary, didn't know you were such a philosopher!  Well said sir!
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Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-02-09 14:15
Yes Gary
     You are right .    That's something that I believe in .    We are just care givers of everything that we have.  You have a nice way of putting it into words.
Jay
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-10 03:56
All of that is absolutely true. If it wasn't for previous owners and tinkerers these cars would not be here anymore for us to enjoy and play with. I have reason to believe that my 10 year old boy is going to have fun with some of my toys later on. He is passionate about tinkering and ready to go for a ride in my cars all the time so there is a chance that I am even keeping these cars alive for him to enjoy. or somebody else, who knows.
I agree we ar not simply owners anymore these days. 60 (!) years have passed since these beauties came out of the factory  and maybe the first buyer, they were really 'owners' in they took ownership of a brandnew car, that wasn't thought to outlast the next decade, nor keep rolling half a century later. I am sure most of the 1950s Ford engineers, workers, salesmen and car owners would have laughed at the thought of these cars still being around 2020 and being cared for at all.
Here's some more of caretaking. :002:
( the first 2 pics show what I have wanted to point out before, that perfect trimming and consistant gap is the utmost important thing to watch for with buttwelding patch panels).

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pssgr front floors and rough layout of the patch with body mount recesses.
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Interesting that huge part of the rusted floor section is still all bare metal where it was inside the floor brace !
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-02-10 04:21
Did I see somewhere in this or another thread that you had rebuilt your clock too? I have a couple, (one for each car) and I seem to remember that you "modernized" the mechanism while retaining the original "look" although with a cleaned up face and refreshed hands. Can't find the thread now. If you did that...maybe you can point me in the right direction? Or maybe you know who did it if it wasn't you. I have the curiosity...hehehehehe...see if I can do mine.
Thanks.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-10 04:36
No I restored the clocks to factory specs with my father being a retired watchmaker by trade. They are fairly simple to build. see here
http://57fordsforever.com/smf/index.php?topic=6705.msg56320#msg56320 (http://57fordsforever.com/smf/index.php?topic=6705.msg56320#msg56320)
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-02-10 05:30
Ah...okay...I will check that out. After restoration, do they work reliably? I seem to remember that their life-span was kind of short. Or is there something that needs to be done to them maintenance-wise that just was not done by people back in the day?
Off to bed now, 3:30 a.m. here, but I will definitely check out that thread. Thanks!  Later...Hugh


Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-10 04:36
No I restored the clocks to factory specs with my father being a retired watchmaker by trade. They are fairly simple to build. see here
http://57fordsforever.com/smf/index.php?topic=6705.msg56320#msg56320 (http://57fordsforever.com/smf/index.php?topic=6705.msg56320#msg56320)
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Limey57 on 2017-02-10 06:41
The hydraulic press is useful for producing the recesses for the body mounting bolts, I tried to use a vice but failed and ended up using the recesses from a baking tray welded into place.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-02-10 08:28
Nice work on the pocket reproduction, DJ.
Gary, as i remember you called it a "tart tray" that you used. Over this side of the pond we had a laugh because they'd be "muffin pans" over here. I only had one to hand form...in my trunk area. Wasn't as clever as you guys. I used a big hammer over a wood form.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-02-10 08:38
Quote from: RICH MUISE on 2017-02-10 08:28
Nice work on the pocket reproduction, DJ.
Gary, as i remember you called it a "tart tray" that you used. Over this side of the pond we had a laugh because they'd be "muffin pans" over here. I only had one to hand form...in my trunk area. Wasn't as clever as you guys. I used a big hammer over a wood form.
Tart trays are quite common on our side of the pond also Rich, smaller then cupcakes. Stay out of the kitchen  :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Limey57 on 2017-02-10 08:56
Quote from: RICH MUISE on 2017-02-10 08:28
Nice work on the pocket reproduction, DJ.
Gary, as i remember you called it a "tart tray" that you used. Over this side of the pond we had a laugh because they'd be "muffin pans" over here. I only had one to hand form...in my trunk area. Wasn't as clever as you guys. I used a big hammer over a wood form.

Yep, that's one of those occasions where I learned another phrase where our languages differ!!!!  Over here a tart is a pastry filled with jam OR a lady in a short skirt & heels.  Both are eventually bad for your health...........

I used to have access to a small hydraulic press at work, it eventually failed when the seals went while someone was forming a replacement inner rocker panel (no idea who that could have been...........) and it didn't get replaced, but I have one on my "wanted list" when I see one for the right price.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-02-10 09:12
Gary, the US has the same two tarts you described, no difference
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-02-10 10:17
"I have one on my "wanted list" when I see one for the right price."
Made me wonder if Harbor Freight has expanded to other parts of the world.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-10 13:32
another looooong day.

folding the pssgr footwell
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more than 3/4 finished - Hurrah ! :001:
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next area
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-02-10 13:43
SWEET!   :headbang:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-02-11 11:04
Günter
      You are a very busy guy.   Keep up the good work. 
       I'M SO HAPPY THAT YOU ARE NOT TAKING THIS CAR COMPLETELY APART!!!!!!
        Keep it so you can still drive it. 
Jay
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-02-11 18:55
Günter
      There is something wrong with your first picture in the last batch that you posted.   That  piece of sheet metal in the background does not look like it is for a 57 Ford.  It looks like part of a 33-34 Ford
firewall.  You need to do some explaining.   
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-11 19:26
So are you saying that I should not use this donor metal for repairing the a posts ? I thought the ribs would come in handy for building the dogleg area and I would keep it all Ford as well... :003: :002:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-11 19:35
Again I have to thank you Jay as you kept me from overdoing this car into a restoration project, which it was never intended to be from the start! doing smaller projects within a reasonable time limit is the key to success on a driver project like this.
I am just trying to get the metal work done asap and putting everthing together again before spring. Many smaller things will be left to do for later and can be done when the car is on the road again. I'll have plenty of time since it seems the Country Sedan is becoming a keeper. :003:
Floors are nearly done.

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Seems like somebody had an utterly relaxing week of floorboard renovation... :003:
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-02-11 19:42
Ah...you did floors...I seem to have found the curve in my tailgate again. A little more to do, then comes the driver's side wheel well. THAT is going to be a challenge.
(your floors look better! my tailgate is going to need some of Eastwood's non-lead solder kit work to get all of the form back into it.)

Nice work! Wish i could "drive over" and see your work first hand!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-14 18:21
managed to save all of the original front bench seat hardware. welded up the chewed down main bolts and got the frozen nuts off the front studs after soaking them 3 days in vinegar acid and another day in rust penetrating solvent. still took heat and all the wrenching force I could apply without shearing off the studs.
No way to get any of this special unified threads hardware overhere, let alone the og factory specs. now they're good for another 60 years :001:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-14 18:34
Getting ready to bring some Rock'n'Roll back in the Country Sedan. Originally bought this NOS tissue dispenser for the Del Rio. love the looks of period accessories. og 1950s tissues would be a shame to use up anyways so I folded some more ABS panel into a liner tray and the tissue dispenser will hold my modern sound bar, easily accessable when down under middle of dash and digital radio will be hidden when dispenser is closed.
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: gasman826 on 2017-02-14 19:30
Nice work on the seat hardware.  Don't forget the Nevr Seez. 

I remember taking the first ride in my uncles brand new pink '59 Mercury.  I sat in the center of the huge bench seat and admired the new tissue box.  My uncle never drove it in the winter and put it in storage in 1969 with only 43k miles on it.  In 1989, I pulled it out of storage with the '69 plates still on it for his estate sale.  His daughters were crying as the car sold.  It was later when they found I had bought it and they were thrilled to have it stay in the family.  It didn't need chrome or paint.  I cleaned the interior, new brakes and exhaust, changed fluids and a new set of points.  The clock started and kept good time as soon as I put in the new battery.  I drove the car one summer and sold it.  I still have the '69 plates with matching DAV ID tags and the tissue box.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-02-14 20:23
I clearly remember seeing  those big Mercury' s  driving around, but can't remember what they had in them  for an engine.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-02-14 23:56
So...question...if getting hardware over there is rough (from this era)..is it the cost? Or availability? Because I bought a complete kit for reassembly from a fellow here in the states. I assume he could ship to you if you wanted, so you didn't have to "re-make" your bolts.


Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-14 18:21
managed to save all of the original front bench seat hardware. welded up the chewed down main bolts and got the frozen nuts off the front studs after soaking them 3 days in vinegar acid and another day in rust penetrating solvent. still took heat and all the wrenching force I could apply without shearing off the studs.
No way to get any of this special unified threads hardware overhere, let alone the og factory specs. now they're good for another 60 years :001:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-15 03:22
Hugh it's about availability here. If you look closely at the pics you can see they are stepped bolts with a shoulder on them and that prevents the body rubbers from getting squashed. the rear bolts are attached to the frame for safety and being padded by rubber it probably makes for the soft rattle free seating in a stock 57!
the little front studs have the extension without threads, much like a body bolt. It will make it easy to slip the bench over the carpet once the studs are in the car. No fiddling with bolts and not finding the cage nut under the floors.
It might look silly to mess with bolts, but that's my reasoning.
I had no idea that these bolts were available as a set or I would have probably ordered it. Since my CS is all about being a daily driver and trying to keep cost down I think it's about saving little stuff as well.
Gary, survivor cars like you uncle's are the best ones. especially with family heritage. 4dr Hts are nice and these big 58/9 Mercs are not bad looking at all.
engine could have been a 292 Y I think but most probably a 383, 410 or even a 430 MEL ?
Jay remember when Baumi had his little speaker with him in your shop and it was nice listening at good old 1950s music? My 'sound bar' what they call them is similar and it holds 1000s of songs. I use to carry this from car to car and I also have it in the 34 above the driver's sun visor. a little charging every 10 hrs and you are good to go. can also take it with you to the shop or when you are out at the beach or countryhouse.
I'll put plenty of copper neverSeeze on those bolts for sure and adding some wax from below when seat is in.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-02-15 04:22
The set I bought was actually a full assembly set for a '56. The guy doesn't have a '57 kit yet. But he told me to use all the ones I need, then send him back the ones I didn't need, and he would send me the balance of what I do need. With that info, he could then create a '57 kit.
The bolts all come in marked packets stating what they are used for. Small family operation, his daughter runs the business end...he does the the factory side. If you should need to get anything, let me know...I'll dig up his info. It's at my shop. My son also bought some stuff from him for his '68 Mustang.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-15 05:06
That info would surely be good to have, please!
I have bought stuff online frome someone called alloybolts I think, mainly engine ss and also interior garnish molding kits. there is also a shop in Atlanta, Ga specializing in the hard to get things like cage nuts but not everything is available. Thankfully Jay gave me some of his old 57/58 project leftovers and it's priceless to have these little things when you need them.
I can also highly recommend bolt depot in Mass. Unfortunately ( for me) they only do domestic sales but you can choose your own number of bolts and they do have neat stuff like SS machine head screws aso. Glad I took a good assortment when I was there. Great business!
https://www.boltdepot.com/
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-02-15 11:30
I am heading o0ut to the shop today. When I get there I'll get the info and send it to you.
As for the other place...I'm sure if there is something you wanted, some sleight of hand could be done to get it for you...sent to one of us here, and then from us to you. Circumvent that "domestic" thing.

I also have this place...
http://autobodyclips.com/Hardware-Clips-&-Fasteners/c82_7/index.html
I haven't used them yet...but maybe they have some stuff you might need.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-02-15 11:42
I found the info on that bolt place. I knew I had it somewhere in my computer. (Now it is bookmarked so I don't have to go looking again). The website is http://www.totallystainless.com/ and if you want anything from him he will either have it or know where to get it. He goes by "Doc" and his daughter's name is Abigail.

Hope they can help you out. Great people.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-16 18:31
thanx Hugh !

floors finished
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-02-16 21:05
Very efficient time , and a great job to boot. I'm curious......do you have a regular job you have to devote lots of hours to as well? You sure get lots done.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-17 04:18
Rich, I am self employed and like any other person I have to work (hard) for a steady income. I must confess that I did push the situation to the limit lately. Lots of customers work is waiting and originally I intended spending a day or two a week on the floors. it would have taken 1 or 2 months to get the floors done. Finding out about the quick progress while I was at it, each day got more exited about finishing, so I figured better keeping at them and getting the dirty work done all at once. It also means that there will only be little steps from now on, as I have to keep at regular work again. would love to keep working 12hrs a day 6 days a week on the CS until it's all pretty and tuned up :003:
next steps will be sealing and finishing the rockers, repair a posts (doglegs) and a few other smaller problem areas and then sealing/painting the floors inside. upper portion of dash needs painted as well ( where the padded dash sat and collected moisture).

anyways, cleaned out the shop floors and put the wagon on the lift, dressing most all of the welds under the car. put a little primer over the bare metal spots. managed to start the engine cleaning procedure and changed oil and filter. upon inspection of the cut open filter and drain pan, I found no magnetic or metal debris whatsoever. Just plain old dirt... :003:
the engine has loud (in my opinion) valvetrain. possibly just the huge backlash used on Y blocks. some of the rockers and the shaft are really worn and have excessive play, possibly due to high milage, as I couldn't find anything wrong with topend lubrication and there is no discoloration are other signs of overheating.
Next oil change in spring/summer the rocker assemblies will come off for cleaning and inspection. some of the valve stem seals have crumbled and need replaced. There were pieces of them lying next to the valve springs. engine does not use oil though so I reckon I am good for now.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-17 05:14
pics of engine cleaning.
that little debris is non metal. just dirt.
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some of the broken valve stem seals. hardened rubber.
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rocker area sludge build up is not so bad.
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#1 cyl valve adjusting screws are much further in than #4 (rocker shaft has more wear to the front valves)
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for now I have ATF/50 grade mix in the engine and hoping it will further clean out the old dirt.
very traditional oldschool procedure... :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Jeff Norwell on 2017-02-17 07:08
Watching in awe G..... fantastic .
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: lalessi1 on 2017-02-17 07:40
Ditto that. Guenter, I am starting to run out of superlatives that express my admiration (jealousy) of your skills and proficiency. If I don't say anything I am speechless!!!! :002:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-17 08:15
Thank you very much guys! A little praise is always appreciated :001:. I hope you know that I am not doing this to brag or show off. watching other's build threads is always fun and motivating, so I think it's only right to let others see what you are doing yourself.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-19 11:13
Since they might be of interest to some obviously, here for reference is what the og heatshields under the front floors look like. I undrilled the remaining spot welds and removed them from the car for now. Gives me better access to clean up and paint the floors. Heat shields are in quite decent shape and will get blasted/painted and eventually put back in the car, but this time using rivets or screws, So I can get them off any time for sealing and waxing the floors again if needed. the shields are a dirt and mositure trap.
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As per Jay's suggestion I cut open the front rocker tops and removed the debris and dust. which is mostly what came down from the rusted tops. rockers are totally solid except for 2 little spots and I hope that the remaining surface rust will provide a perfect foundation for Rustoleum to work with. since these pics were taken I already soaked the seams with Owatrol and llet it dry for 2 days. next will be repairing the few small sections and sealing them inside with Rustoleum paint.
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-02-19 12:34
SHEESH! That thing will be better rust-proofed when you get done with it than it ever was when it was first built, or than cars today are either for that matter! LOL!!!
Nice job!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-02-19 13:29
Just catching up on this post G but had a thought about the rocker arm adjusting screw length between #1 and #4, someone may have replaced the push rods on #4, there were two different lengths available depending on year, 57 had the shorter ones..
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-19 15:03
Jim, thanx for that hint ! wouldn't have thought of it. next oilchange early summer the rocker assemblies will come off for further cleaning anyways and I will pull the pushrods to see if they are mixed or if it's just the usual wear and tear of the rocker shafts.
I will check my stash of used shafts until then and see if I can find any better.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-02-19 16:06
That engine looks typical of old engines run with old Quaker Sludge type oils, hope the oil passage in the head isn't plugged. Never knowing what was swapped over the last 60 years you will need to verify what heads you have to get the correct push rods. #4 almost looks better then the rest  :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-20 05:04
Jim, I forgot to mention that the rocker pics were taken before cleaning and flushing the engine. showing as I lifted the cover approx 1300 miles after last oil change in England. I think the sludge isn't bad for an old engine that hasn't been rebuilt in years, if ever.
the 292 appears to have all og paint, even on pan and oil pump. there is lots of decades worth of crust, oil and dirt all over it, so I assume it hasn't been rebuilt in at least 40 or 50 years. that said, the pushrods and/or some of the rockers could have been easily replaced before.
The engine has the correct 1957 ECZ-G heads which were factory specs on the 292 Thunderbird Special engines of the year..
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-02-20 09:13
OK, then it doesn't look as bad as many others I have seen. Not unusual to find the rockers replaced they were always the first thing to go back in the day..
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-23 19:16
crazy thing, restoring the speaker grille hardware. acid dipping, bead blasting, zinc paint... :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-25 18:37
working on the a pillars. where did the last 12 hours go ? seems like 2 hrs worth job. :005:
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-02-25 21:15
Looks good now. Well done sir!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-26 03:16
That's just the sound foundation for the doglegs. The outer skin will still have to be fabricated, probably another day worth of work and then on to the other side :005:. It's a pitty that nobody makes repair panels for that area, they'de be highly needed on many 57s.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-02-26 03:23
Ah...an opportunity to make some money! LOL!!! Luckily...mine are good. whew!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-02-26 11:13
Mine was all good in the areas shown on the last group of pics. You'll never know for sure until you dig out the 3 pounds of seam sealer/body putty Ford put in that A pillar below the windshield ends.
Mine had a short stack of washers under the fender bolt flange. When I cleaned up my a pillars, I replaced all the oem putty/seam sealer with Rage Gold body filler to the thickness of those washers, minus one. That way when the fender was reinstalled, one washer under the flange and it was back to where it was.
DJ..please confirm for the records...that fender bolt....no fitting/hardware/receptical?? in the A pillar, correct? and just a large 1/4 ?' hex head sheetmetal screw....no machine threaded bolts.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Limey57 on 2017-02-26 13:35
Nice work, mine had gone in the same area on the A-post and gutter.

Rich, my Ranchero also uses hexagon head sheet metal screws for that upper fender mounting.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-26 15:50
absolutely correct Rich. its a hex head metal screw. My car is absolutely untouched and I have seen it on all other 57s before. it goes into double layer of 18 or 19 gauge steel. I just happened to restore these last week so here they are:
that's also the og speaker grille hardware with the rubber coated wire loom keepers and the black spacers for the dash pad.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-26 16:08
Rich. what you mentioned about the body sealer in the a post doglegs, I plan on using a rubber hose or something like that instead of the sealer. I want to be able to pull these after years and get access to clean out any debris or moisture and being able to paint and wax it. I want to change the design of the overlapping seams including drain holes if any water should come in again, but more later when I have done the job . In my mind I have it bulletproofed from now on  :003: what you see in the silverish preparation pics is all bare steel. I used a little sand blasting device.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-27 19:57
working like a dog....for the dogleg....
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-02-27 21:26
I am going to start referring to you as MASTER Gunther! 'Cause that is the work (as is all your stuff) of a MASTER creator of answers to problems!   :002:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-02-27 21:29
Double wow.....it would have taken me 2 weeks to get that done, and it still wouldn't have looked that good. Gold star on that one Gunter!!
Rich
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-02-27 21:43
You are amazing, a real wizard.
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-02-27 21:48
He sorta makes me want to either ship MY car to him...or bring him over to my place for a week or two...hehehehehehe!


Quote from: RICH MUISE on 2017-02-27 21:29
Double wow.....it would have taken me 2 weeks to get that done, and it still wouldn't have looked that good. Gold star on that one Gunter!!
Rich
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-28 04:28
thank you very much guys. It's all about saving our beloved 57 Fords! We have to confess that they put some design flaws into making the body. There are some problem areas on most 57s, like lower front fender ends, rear rocker to fenderwells and those A post doglegs. All of them are double or triple layer spot welded areas that see a lot of moisture along with bad drainage, getting dirt trapped and little to no rust protection from the factory. Basically these overlapping areas were all bare metal inside when they left the factory. no zinc coating on the steel, no submerging in a primer tank (like other manufacturers of the time already had) and no wax. that's why on most 57s we see rust colored streaks coming out from under the a post dogleg. condensed water comes down the inside of the windshield a post and as soon as it mixes with debris and surface rust, it cloggs the narrow dogleg drain path down into the a pillar. I didn't want to have those overlapping seams so I made it from one piece but stepped the areas to make it look like the original

I had long dreaded making this part. It can be done with simple tools and isn't so difficult, but it takes a lot of patience and time (12 working hours).

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my repaired area compared to the original overlapping pieces on the Del Rio.
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I made the upper a post corner from 1 piece for the same reason, but I cut a little groove in it with the Dremel to make it appear like the original seam.
(http://up.picr.de/28450930yh.jpg)

(http://up.picr.de/28450931wj.jpg)

I even made a little cut into the perfectly straight repair panel to make it look like most factory aposts, where the body parts join  :003:
(http://up.picr.de/28450935je.jpg)

The most important thing to me was making those drain holes. If ever again moisture should get in there it will easily drain to the inside of the A pillar, down in the rocker and out the rocker drains, just the way it was supposed to be from factory.
(http://up.picr.de/28450936ha.jpg)
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-02-28 04:45
Art work...pure art work!    :icon_cheers:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Jeff Norwell on 2017-02-28 10:19
INCREDIBLE G!!!!!!!
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Post by: Limey57 on 2017-02-28 10:38
Agreed, some excellent work there!  On mine the inner panel had rusted through so after removing the outer and sand blasting it I was able to re-weld it to the repaired inner panel, I doubt my patience would be strong enough to make one from scratch!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-03-01 00:41
Günter
   I did not realize that our A posts were that bad.  For some reason I pictured in my mind that you had upper problems only.  Your careful measuring and making replacement pieces is just brilliant.  I especially like the fact that you thought it through to the point of thinking about the condensation forming between the inner unprotected metal.  Coating the inner surfaces and making drain holes is certainly going to help  preserve your 57 Ford. 
     Jay   
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-03-01 03:21
Thank you Jay. As most members are most probably aware anyways, our cars do rust out from the inside. mostly rear quarters, lower doors, lower front fenders, headlight housings, rain gutters ( mostly on wagons, because of a faulty draining situation) and said a post doglegs. all are places in which dirt and moisture will get trapped. I am not sure why otherwise good cars loose their rear quarters, and like mine- it has great rockers and quarters and door bottoms, but rusted out posts and rain gutters. In my thinking, condensation is the biggest problem. both of my cars are Pacific coastline area Californian cars. In my mind I can picture the salty sea air being hot daytimes, so holding a lot of moisture. it gets everywhere, also inside a car. Nighttimes it cools off rapidly ( as we know the Pacific ocean has cold waters right down to So Cali). There is no way to go for the condensed water than dripping from the roof inside and running down the inside of the rain gutter structure. The wagons do NOT have enough drains on the inside roof structure. there is also headliner and sound deadener cloth coming off the roof which perfectly cloggs whatever little drainage holes there might have been. same goes for the posts. That is my theory.
Only cure seems to be having enough and open drain holes and protecting the bare metal with a sealer.

I would have opted for an easier repair on the doglegs, but I couldn't come up with a better idea, than to build it close to as what Ford thought they should look like. Its an important part to seal the A pillars against the doors and guide rain water away to the fender/door gap. It is also something that you immediately see each time you open the door. so there was no place for short cuts.
Now on to the pssgr side.... :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Contibob on 2017-03-01 23:44
Pure and simple artwork, (maybe not so simple). Guenter you are amazing.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-03-02 18:44
Thank you Bob !
Jay is going to send me your CS script soon, so I will be able to put it on the car this summer.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-03-04 07:33
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2017-03-02 18:44
Thank you Bob !
Jay is going to send me your CS script soon, so I will be able to put it on the car this summer.

Günter WHO?   What CS script? 
Just joking Bob. 
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Teddymac on 2017-03-16 17:25
Checking out your post as I have also invested in a C/S. In the '60s I raced 2 different 272" powered Custom 300s with a little success. Now factoring in the age thing of my friends and me, I decided a couple of extra doors were needed. Climbing in and out of another friend's 2DR helped to reinforce that thought but '57 4DRS just didn't cut it for me.
This wagon needs floors and rocker panels but seems OK in most other areas. I may be surprised!
I'm caught up in whether I should be installing a 351W, of which I have 2 and the earlier AOD I also have (these parts were courtesy of friends) or going with the 292/Fordo that is in the car. Decisions, decisions!
I haven't read all of your posts but will and maybe I'll even steal some of your ideas!
My wagon has been modified with disc brakes, rack and pinion steering, tilt column and some dash mods but not much else.
It sat a long time after the previous owner lost interest so needs to be gone through from end to end. I hope I can remember half of what I once knew (or thought I did). Looks like you are way more talented Than I! Great post!!!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-03-17 04:50
welcome to the site! You'll find everything you need to know (or might have forgotten) from all the great guys on this forum! would be nice if you would introduce yourself and the new project to the group in the projects or members rides section of the forum. I had been long hesitating in buying a 4dr, but they are most practical and with a '57 Ford wagon, we are lucky to have one of the most beautiful 4dr wagon designs ever. The roofline and side trim is exactly as crisp and sweapy as on the 2dr and the leaned froward c post gives it a very sporty look as well. Just matches the tailgate inclination. front doors are still big enough for easy entry and the rears are a charm to get in for kids, elderly or handicapped persons. It's a perfectly laid out car, if it wasn't for that 'a little rust'..... :003:
looking forward seeing your project !
Guenter
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-03-23 18:18
Finally got a day off and working on the drivers side rocker, repairing the only hole in the rockers (overlapping area).
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that's still the original lead work to the front of the repaired section.
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-03-23 18:24
on with sealing the rocker inside, after thorough cleaning with wire brush and air.
(http://up.picr.de/28685517cs.jpg)

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filling the seams with extremely penetrating Owatrol Oil.
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Since both Owatrol and Rustoleum are enamel based and use terpentine thinner they work together well. wet/wet
(http://up.picr.de/28685522xu.jpg)

penetrating effect of Rustoleum is wonderful. the black spots over red primer developed FROM THE INSIDE ! So now I can be sure the seam is sealed.
(http://up.picr.de/28685523ni.jpg)

(http://up.picr.de/28685524mo.jpg)

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-03-23 18:27
putting a top back on the drivers door rocker sill.
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-03-23 22:55
POR-15 makes a painting tool that is a 1 1/2 or so cotton ball on the end of a braided wire handle, maybe 3 feet long (I forget). Hanny for getting way inside frame rails and such. Only problem is all the cotton fibers it leaves in the paint.
Nice job on getting the inside of the rockers protected. Mine all got replaced, so everything was por-15'd before it got welded on.
Also, as an alternative for those who can't cut into their rockers as you did, 3M makes a heavy waxy product that is applied with a gun and long flexible nozzle/wand that sprays sideways 360*. You insert the wand in thru the 2" hole on the forward end of the rocker/A pillar bottom and spray as you pull it back out. I did that also......borrowed the tool from Pat.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-03-24 00:52
Gunter...have I mentioned that you are a cotton-picking ARTISAN?!?!?!

Nice work! Very nice!

***************************************************************

Rich...I think Eastwood also sells a wand that sprays 360 as well inside rockers.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Jeff Norwell on 2017-03-25 08:38
Again G.... incredible work.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-03-25 17:10
I'm at it !
right side next. cut off the C and A post outer skins and cleaning the inner structure which is remarkably sound. again a problem of leadwork/acid and non existant drainage holes. The outer C pillar is just a cover. it is not welded at the glass seal side, so water can easily get in and it has nowhere to go- gets trapped in the lower part which rusted out. I did drill a drain hole, blast and seal the structure. The og outer skin will get blasted, patched and eventually get back in it's place.
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right A post, clean up.
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-03-25 17:15
Now that all the posts are blasted and no more media and debris is going down in the rockers it was time to clean out, seal and close the pssgr side.
It was also the right time to pull a few dents from a little curbside mishap.
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ford Blue blood on 2017-03-27 08:50
WOW....just WOW!  Well done sir!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Limey57 on 2017-03-27 14:54
Looking good, at this rate it will be water-proof, never mind rust-proof!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-03-27 18:26
got fed up of welding and grinding, so I had to do a 'fun' job today. :002:
a 2" drop all around in 6 hours. I can't believe how smooth everything went. all the bolts came off nicely and I still had my ball joint puller (pusher) tool handy, that I made 20 years ago. frontend still needs aligning. For now I am using used Aerostar springs on purpose. thinking that 30 year old springs will not sag any more. They work great for me. perfect drop, just shy of 2 ". I used thick rubber insulators on both ends. everything will get cleaned up and painted once everything has settled and I'm content with the ride and stance.
rear is a mild 2" blocks. car still missing the rear bench seat and trailer hitch weight and tank is nearly empty, no tools and sparewheel in the compartment. that's another 150 to 200 pds which will bring the rear down an inch or so.
tires are 8.00-14 BF Goodrich on '65 5x14 Mustang wheels. They have quite some backspacing, so that tucks in the front wheels nicely.
I think I will use 1" spacers on the rear though.
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sorry for the blurry pic, but it already got dark when I finished the job.
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-03-27 18:30
The mild drop looks good to me and will still be ok in daily driving.
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what do you guys think ?
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-03-27 20:20
Looks just about right to me.....and in good time. 6 hrs isn't too shabby. Nice work.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-03-27 21:58
Guenter
    You managed to get a lot of work done lowering the car in 6 hours. 
    You also did a good job of repairing the rocker panel and cleaning and painting the inside.  That's something that is very important and often forgotten.  Too bad that Henry didn't paint those inner panels.  Back in the day,  I remember that some early Fords were already rusting in the showrooms.
Seems like they were not thinking that the cars would still be on the road 60 years later.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-03-27 22:36
Your work on those rockers makes me feel guity for planning on buying new ones. Beautiful work sir!

I agree with you...that drop looks excellent. To the casual observer it will not be noticed....they'll look at it and think..."something is different about that car...but I can't put my finger on it!" That's when you know your modification was perfect!

Well done sir...like everything before it.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-03-28 04:08
So it seems I'm not alone with that mild drop. Less is more, so to say. appreciate your thoughts.
I was really stunned at how quick it was and that all the bolts came out and off without efforts. even the rear U bolts, which most probably haven't been opened since 1957. Probably helped that I had done the job before ( in '98 on my Courier Sedan Delivery).
Jay, as you know that I drive my cars in rain as well and from early spring to late fall, it was important to get rust protection in the rockers while at it. I will put some wax in there at some later point, as has been mentioned before by Rich I think. we have good access with a wand nozzle by the lower front fender bolt access plug.
Now for the wheels what do you guys think about using hubcaps, wheelcovers or nothing at all ?
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: lalessi1 on 2017-03-28 06:52
Guenter, the quality of work that you do is beyond the superlatives I have left to use without being redundant. The photos of the wheels bring back memories of my Fairlane 500, Doeskin Tan/Silver Mocha. I used to ride with full hubcaps or no hubcaps depending on my mood or if I had a date that night or not. I do have a fondness for the dog dish now and that is what is on my car now... simple but "finished" look. On another note, the Aerostar springs I have are progressively wound and the ones you have do not appear to be. Did they change at some point?
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-03-28 09:22
I'm a hubcap fan as opposed to the full wheel cover. Painted in the inner section behind the FORD letters in a matching color of the body paint. I'd go with the mocha on yours. But that's my leaning. Either way you go, will look good I have no doubt.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Swank on 2017-03-28 09:44
im into the full wheel, but that's what came with mine and they're really shiny and brand new looking, ...so.

your stance is good, tucked in just enough.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-03-28 17:01
Again, it seems I am not alone with stupid questions of running whatever or no wheel trim at all. :001:
The 57 hubcaps and full wheelcovers are beautiful. also love the starburst ( Turbine style) Ford accessory wheelcover, that was used on Skyliners.
Lynn, you ar right about the mood. I'll keep them bare wheels for now, as that's what I like most. Next time I'm out for a date I'll use the wheelcovers :003:
Hugh, like your idea of painting the dogdish centers in silver mocha. I think I'll give that a try.

concerning the Aerostar springs, these came out of export models that were deliverd to Germany originally. I don't know if that makes a difference. I also have a new set of MOOG Aerostar springs and they are exactly the same height, windings and spring diameter.

I am very much flattered by all the praise. I hope this doesn't start to look like bragging. I am just doing what I always do and the way I was educated to. I should add that my father was a watchmaker and my mother a bookkeeper. So maybe I am a little on the fuzzy side with things. :003: Of course it helps that I just love those 57 Fords and I want to make the repairs last for decades, as I plan to keep and drive this one a lot. again this is not a restoration, but fixing up an old driver .
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-03-28 22:45
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2017-03-28 17:01
I just love those 57 Fords and I want to make the repairs last for decades, as I plan to keep and drive this one a lot. again this is not a restoration, but fixing up an old driver .

Günter
    That's what it is all about.  Fix them as you drive them and don't put them in garage prison for untold years.
Jay
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-03-28 23:04
I have seen the painted background on others, I think some of them even came that way.
As for bragging...HA! Just like you said...doing what you do...just happens to be better than I can do! Or have the tools to do some of it with. Keep at it...we all learn a little from your work. Thanks!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-03-29 03:01
I think the dogdish hubcaps came in different colors over the years ( albeit a little different in design). I think the 55 are gold and 56 red or the other way around.
I'll play around with one and try the silver mocha on the center.
First is finishing the metalwork on the car.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Swank on 2017-03-29 12:12
don't worry about the bragging.
being someone that's really only wrenched on things I've broken off of cars, seeing in-depth processes of restoration, fabrication, and modifications are very interesting at this point. 
keep it up.  let's see it.

Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-03-29 19:03
Ok then....some more metal fabrication. pssgr a post nearly finished. needs a little more grinding and sanding. Really happy to have those areas finished.
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-03-29 19:19
Nearly forgot to mention, that yesterday, March 28th was to celebrate the young Lady's 60th birthday !!!

wishing many more miles, solid U joints and whatever she likes... :003:

Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: terry_208 on 2017-03-29 22:58
That's good.  She's two days older than my sedan!
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-03-30 03:22
well then, happy birthday to your sedan ! :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-03-30 17:20
This is just too crazy.... when I was posting about the Country Sedan's birthday yesterday, that song kept coming to my mind again and again. now I looked it up on youtube, and it was recorded in March 1957 !!!! What.....???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfy18ynhWNU

I don't know what you all think about coincidence like that. 10 days ago I was watching a 1950s movie with one of my RocknRoll heroes Chuck Berry. I hadn't seen the video in 10 years. The time I was watching the movie with my son, I found out the next day. was the exact time that Mr. Chuck Berry passed away. Dunno. RIP Mr. Berry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT3kCVFFLNg
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-03-30 17:55
finished the a post
(http://up.picr.de/28757251yn.jpg)

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on with the c post
what looks like white primered metal is actually chemically rust stripped bare metal
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For now I have finished the welding on the CS, the tailgate and RH raingutter that the PO fixed will do for now, but will need attention soon.
Since you guys like my workmanship that much I would love to think that these pics encourage some of you to try for yourself. It is no magic and not so difficult, it just needs basic tools and patience.
I am really happy that I can now move on to reassembling the Country Sedan.

Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: terry_208 on 2017-03-30 18:31
G., I believe the ability to do some of these things is not being reluctant to try and then going slowly.  Like the saying goes, how do you eat and elephant?  One bite at a time.  Just as you're accomplishing the work on your CS!  Yes, your work has indeed encouraged me to work on my own sedan.  I enjoy reading and seeing how you accomplish the tasks.     
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-03-30 19:21
Guenter
     Your work is spectacular.   You have a lot of patience.   I wish that I could do work like that.
Jay
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Wirenut on 2017-03-30 20:32
Gunter, I have done a lot of metal fabrication blending pre stamped pieces and made a number of patch panels. I am self taught and was feeling pretty good about my skills to date but after seeing your work i still have some improving to do. You are way above average and do some impressive work. Your attention to detail is impressive. Thank for posting you progress.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: lalessi1 on 2017-03-30 20:35
Quote from: terry_208 on 2017-03-30 18:31
G., I believe the ability to do some of these things is not being reluctant to try and then going slowly.  Like the saying goes, how do you eat and elephant?  One bite at a time.  Just as you're accomplishing the work on your CS!  Yes, your work has indeed encouraged me to work on my own sedan.  I enjoy reading and seeing how you accomplish the tasks.   

One of the things I love about this forum is that it encourages and motivates me to do things I have never tried to do before. I actually imagine getting the space, tools, and skills to do what the "big boys do". The one thing I do seem to have is patience??  :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Swank on 2017-03-31 12:04
oh yeah, work like that C post stuff makes me feel silly about being reluctant to pull the fenders off (something that I feel would make addressing some front end issues way easier, but at the same time wondering if id ever get them things lined up with the doors again.)  ive pulled engines, trans, and whole back ends before, just never messed with the structure.   but if you don't jump in, you'll always be standing on the side.   although still nowhere near the point of cutting on those post areas.



Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-03-31 13:41
Please come to the USA and open a shop to help us handicapped  :003:
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-03-31 17:36
so far it has been a great journey with this car. starting from a total coincidence in finding and purchasing it from England in the beginning, on to understanding what a pretty unmolested and original car it is and then making decisions about mechanically sound but reasonable repairs and finally getting into details on some areas that I just wanted to look and be correct. patience is one thing but it's the love for these cars that really got me going again and again over the last 2 months.
It all paid off today, on a 70+ early spring day, getting the car out in the sun for the first time and checking it out all afternoon with my son.
We did play the hubcaps, covers and trim rings a little and ended up, -of all things, with 1952/53 Ford dogdish hubcaps !
I always liked the look since first seeing the 'Maze', that famous incredibly colorful 57 Ford Farilane HT from the 1950s with the crazy green,purple and silver scallops and panel paint job. It had 53 dogdishes.
It was a sight this evening to see the sun set over my new 57 wagon! Loving the 300 trim glistening in the eving sun. People must have gone crazy about it in August of 56. 8) :038:

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-03-31 18:06
Those caps work well buddy! I like them!
Car looks so sweet!!!
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Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-03-31 21:41
    I  can't  make up my mind between the 57 dog dish and the 52 -53 dog dish, but I'm leaning toward the 52-53 caps which I think are stainless.       
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-02 16:01
Jay, yes the 52/3 are SS while the 57s are chromed steel. mine have a few pittings and speckles, but would make a nice driver set anyways.
When we were fooling around with the wheel trims, I was joking with Tommy that we put on another different hubcap on each wheel... :002:...That's an oldschool trick I was told by a knowledgeable Ford guy... :003:

managed to get the car out for a short cruise around the block in 75degree weather. a few little things to improve like carb adjusting, freeing up a slightly frozen heat riser valve in RH manifold and as assumed before the frontend needs alignment after the lowering job which will be done asap. Feels great to have the old Lady back out on the streets. :001:
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Post by: lalessi1 on 2017-04-02 18:59
Thats the look!!!!! (No date tonight)  :003:
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-04 14:45
haha, you right Lynn, no date tonight, because some more welding needed done. :002:
lower 4" of the kick panel moldings. need a little more bead blasting and paint and then back into the car.
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: gasman826 on 2017-04-04 15:16
Nice work!  I took another rusted set and cut the tops off and welded the tops to the bottom of another set.  I cut them so the attachment points would match up and the arc was correct.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-04 15:19
nice work and good idea Gary! I had no choice since I didn't have another set and mine were actually pretty good to start with.
I'll need to find another set for my Del Rio, as they were missing.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-08 15:09
finally made it to paining the dash (dash pad removed and rusted). I wanted to keep the dashpad chrome trim, so I just painted the top half of the dash and chose a slightly darker metalic color to give it the dashpad twotone appearance.
the right corner was out of alignment from factory and I cleaned that up a little while at it. I honestly though about leaving the dash in bare metal for a moment, but it would have been impractical and not fit the general survivor look of the Country Sedan.
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-08 15:12
painting misc stuff.
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-04-08 18:29
Looking good! REAL good! :)
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Post by: Wirenut on 2017-04-08 20:30
Looks good, what do you do in your spare time :001:doesn't look like you let any grass grow under your feet!
Just curious about the shiny aluminum looking piece on the top shelf, it looks cool but I can't identify it from anything I've seen. Keep up the good work, thanks for letting us follow along. We were armchair quarterbacks on Rich's build now we get to be that on yours.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-09 04:19
It is true that I am not getting bored lately... :003: I feel that when you are at it and the finish line comes closer, it's good keeping at it. I want all the 'dirty' work accomplished asap.
On top of my engine hoist sits a pair of stacked 1935 Ford bumpers. the one with the deeper dip in the middle is a Vicky rear.
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Post by: Wirenut on 2017-04-09 07:01
Ok, I see now. Couldn't place them, they make cool wall art. I ruined one of two ceramic headers trying to get some clearance. They set in a corner for years and then I decided to screw the good one to the wall, it made a cool looking wall piece in the garage. The bumpers make cool shop art till they're back where they belong.
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Post by: Limey57 on 2017-04-09 09:13
Good progress! Preparing and painting all the little bits & pieces takes forever!
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-04-09 09:24
"We were armchair quarterbacks on Rich's build now we get to be that on yours."
Except my build moved along at the speed of dirt! lol.
Impressive as usual, DJ.
I've got to comment though, just my taste differing on one thing....the cool pegasus decal.....too distracting, would look better in the back window. At least in the pictures my eye goes right to it. May not be the case looking at it in person.
I always appreciated your constructive critiques on my build when we disagreed, payback time, lol.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-09 17:17
those bumpers should go back on an early Ford sometime in future. I have a few bits and pieces lying around and we never know, if there's another 33/4 or even a 35. I like to have my dpare parts hanging on the wall and around the house and shop. I like to see them often rather than having them packed away in a dark stash. on the backdrop, it always keeps reminding you of the work you still have to do though... :003:
like Gary said, tedious work on the small bits and pieces but very rewarding once done and knowing you can put them back on the car soon. I am having so much fun with this build really.
Rich, appreciate your comment. It's a fact that I just love the Pegasus for itself and it's a work of Art like the best of corporate designs (soft drinks, cigarette packet desgins come to mind). You are not the only one to disagree and you are totally right of when it comes to 57 Fords. the red horse takes away from the lines and original elegance of the car, and maybe that's even what I wanted to achieve in the beginning. Let me take this a little further. The M****oil company held long distance economy runs in those years,a nd thsoe stickers were seen on many of the participants cars. There are many vintage pics available showing the horses in different places on 57 Fords. so if you want it for a good excuse, this is a very appropriate period correct detail.
In our final agreement of disagreement, I have to confess that I have had these horses on every car I have owned in the last 20 years. The ar on magnetic foil, so it's a matter of a second of placing or removing them. They won't stick on glass though  :003:
Maybe it's just a good old tradition of being a little bit different....haha....
It is always good to hear about others opinion and rethinking your own, and I mean that, appreciate your comment !
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-09 17:20
57 economy run

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-09 17:45
a little paint on the repaired areas. this is not even talking about paintwork, as I didn't use any filler on the panels. what pittings were there from cleaning up the metal are still visible. This is merely to give the car a solid color which is mandatory for our strict vehicle inspection. They frown apon obviously 'neglected' parts of car, which translates on rather not having primer on it. I know that you guys are probably having a good laugh out of that, but that's the way it is over here.
Good thing though I am using 2 component epoxy and acrylic paint only, so what is already there now, acts as filler and could be sanded down easily for future paintwork, requiring less plastic filler in critical areas. ( acrylic paint is plastic as a matter of fact... :003:)
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I am totally happy with how the color turned out on dash and speaker grill. like the amount of metalic. it makes it look 1950s I think.
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: gasman826 on 2017-04-09 20:02
bumpers for wall art are great.  They also make great shelves.   The bumper was original to my Custom and it toured 2009 Power Tour.  I wanted to keep it so it is now a shelf.

More wall art.
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-04-09 20:51
Nice idea for the bumpers. I have some extras that can't be used, but are sorta straight..well...severely bowed shall we say? They would be good wall art as well.
Did you get the note I sent you via p/m? May well be passing through your area again in the next month or so.
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Post by: Limey57 on 2017-04-10 12:52
Yep, also love the bumper idea, I've got a pair of Ranchero bumpers behind the garage, I'll dig them out next week.
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Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-04-10 22:21
Wow Günter !
    I've been out of touch for a few days and you sure did get a lot of work done.  The pieces look especially good with paint on them also.  For some of us, we at least have access to parts and pieces.  You are working with what you have and making what  you don't have. That is not always easy.
Jay 
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-11 16:10
love the bumper shelf ! I have some 57 Bumper leftovers as well....cool idea !

getting ready for reassembling things. put foam on the back of the dashpad trim to make up for the non existant pad thickness. hopefully no rattles. modern replacement speaker. trying carpet and. soldered a bridge to the og radio poti so the radio light is on all the time when the headlights are on. enjoying the looks of the cleaned up dash. this is what you are looking ALL THE TIME, when driving the car, so in my opinion, it is the most important piece on the whole car. I am having fun! :001:
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-04-11 16:23
SWEET!!! Oh so sweet!
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Post by: junior58 on 2017-04-11 23:14
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-09 17:20
57 economy run

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Good model choice for the economy run.
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Post by: Mavaholic on 2017-04-12 07:31
Good idea on the foam. I will have to remove mine and put some on.
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-04-12 09:44
Just a side note on the foam for the dash garnish rails. My dash originally was not padded. I added a 1/2 foam padding stiffened with 3 or 4 coats of liquid rubber under the vinyl dash covering. I also wrapped the garnish rails in vinyl. I was expecting all kinds of fitment problems when assembly time for the garnish rails came around. There were none at all. The 1/2" padding created no issues with the rails at all, so apparently they were designed to be universal for padded or non padded dashes.
There is a oem rubber gasket/pad ?? that goes under the rails that I did not install of course.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-12 15:26
the foam I added is high density but only 1/8 thick. I think it will do the job of keeping the trim from rattling. that can be pretty anoying on the dash. These trim pieces had no OEM rubber gasket that I know of. they were on top of the dash pad cover, that was glued around the leading edge of the metal dash. one can make out on the og paint, that they simply ran a sharp knife around the stainless, to trim excessive pad vinyl. the little trim clips are pretty cool in that they snap in firmly and go in easily.
If I can find a good brown dashpad I would think about putting it on, but for now it's ok looking.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-12 15:50
Today we finally got from the slow process of the project, up to hypersonic speed, thanx to a busy little helper ! :002: And we did have some fun as well :003:

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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-04-12 15:58
QUICK!!! Use him while he has NO idea that people get paid for doing this work! LOL!!!

Looks good!
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-12 16:04
Haha, my son is grown up when it comes to saving money. In all honesty he was asking me, if he did this paintwork for others and getting paid for it, if he had to report his income to the tax department.... :003:, he is 10 years old...... :002:
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-04-12 16:09
LOL!!! Keep that one! He will take fine care of you in your old age! Good to get him involved at a young age. A partner for life in the world of cars! Enjoy!
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Post by: billd5string on 2017-04-12 19:50
That is looking soooo cool!  I love the shot with the dash lights on - very nice!!

That is a great idea on the dash/windshield trim. I noticed mine has some very brittle original rubber stuck on it and I had no idea what to do to replace it - your approach is perfect!
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-13 03:30
Rich, after reading your comment again, I think I misunderstood. You were talking about the (painted) garnish moldings around the windshield and of course they do have rubber stripping from factory. mine was brittle and I ordered replacement from Macs, which I have to wait for.
http://www.macsautoparts.com/ford_mercury_late/windshield-post-garnish-moulding-to-dash-rubber-welt-84-long-ford-without-air-conditioning.html
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In my previous comments I was just referring to the stainless steel trim, that was used as a paint divider between vinyl and the painted part of dash. it's the hockey stick pieces that are pictured. That's where I used foam.
of course thicker foam can be used for the windhield garnish moldings as well.


Quote from: RICH MUISE on 2017-04-12 09:44
Just a side note on the foam for the dash garnish rails. My dash originally was not padded. I added a 1/2 foam padding stiffened with 3 or 4 coats of liquid rubber under the vinyl dash covering. I also wrapped the garnish rails in vinyl. I was expecting all kinds of fitment problems when assembly time for the garnish rails came around. There were none at all. The 1/2" padding created no issues with the rails at all, so apparently they were designed to be universal for padded or non padded dashes.
There is a oem rubber gasket/pad ?? that goes under the rails that I did not install of course.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Swank on 2017-04-13 08:42
djfordmanjack,
in reference to the photo with the happyface trans tunnel, your steering column floor seal looks to be on the engine side of the firewall (and im assuming the metal plates are off due to painting...?). 

when I was disassembling, there was nothing on the engine side of the firewall. both the seal and the metal plates were inside, and the seal was shredded.  at the time I thought it was strange to have the seal exposed to the elements because it's a fairly large hole that it covers and it's kinda close to the exhaust.   now im double guessing since I don't know what's been previously altered, and I don't have an original example.  these plates and seals go inside or outside?

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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-04-13 11:47
Swank...mine was like your photo too in my Courier. FWIW.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-13 16:13
You have a good eye !
Everything goes on the inside! I just pushed the rubber seal out so it was out of the way while cleaning up the perimeter of the opening and painting the floors. It'll slip back inside easily, once the paint has cured.
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Post by: Swank on 2017-04-13 16:21
thanks,  ...looking good on the floors by the way.
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-04-13 17:41
So...that means who ever owned my car before I...put it back together incorrectly? Good to know...cause I would have put it back like I found it. Thanks!


Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-13 16:13
You have a good eye !
Everything goes on the inside! I just pushed the rubber seal out so it was out of the way while cleaning up the perimeter of the opening and painting the floors. It'll slip back inside easily, once the paint has cured.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-13 17:59
Quote from: mustang6984 on 2017-04-13 17:41
So...that means who ever owned my car before I...put it back together incorrectly?
sorry for being mistaken, but no!

The way it is pictured in Swanx' photo is 100% correct.  engine compartment-floorboards-rubber-steel covers-interior.

Sorry for causing that confusion with my in progress floorboard pics, Should have removed the column and steerign gear to get the rubber seal out of the way... :002: :003:
before removal it looked exactly the way as in Swanx car.
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-04-13 18:18
Yea...that's what I meant...because for some reason...my metal plate was on the outside when I took it apart. I assumed that it was to provide protection from weather/water. But does make more sense to have it on the inside. So I will print out his pic and put it in an envelope and attach it to my cover so I know when I got to replace it. Thank you sir.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-14 03:11
Glad to help. I can imagine that at some point somebody would put the covers and rubber to the engine compartment, hoping to better seal the area. Not knowing that the water on the floors didn't come in from the streering column, but actually came down from the vent drains... Even though I have had my first 57 for 6 years, when I bought my second one I still had no idea about those vent drain rubbers, as they are hidden up behind the dash and under insulation padding. When I was in a good thunderstorm with the Del Rio in Buena Park, Ca. and my feet got all wet, I finally knew I was in for some trouble :003:
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-04-14 04:02
yea...my rubbers are completely rotted out. I saw where they are available, which is a good thing...cause I suspect EVERYONE has had rotten ones at one time or another.
Love the work you have been doing...certainly will be trying to copy some of that for mine as well...especially when I replace the rockers...mine will get the same treatment as you gave yours. I look forward to the stuff your doing...it is all sound work to be sure.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-14 16:57
That's great Hugh! Who knows and your rockers can be saved like mine. the coating will make them bullet proof for future.
Just for the record, here is the rubber seal and covers and all the pedals and dip switch as reassembled. only deviation from oem are the ss Philips head screws for the steering opening covers. I had to replace the og hex head metal screws that most were severely rusted.
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added the NOS vintage tissue dispenser (now an accessory compartment for the modern sound bar, which nicely hides away)
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added a 1964ish NOS Fairlane/Glaxie? night and day mirror. wider width perfectly matches the rearview out the wraparound liftgate.

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: gasman826 on 2017-04-14 18:20
Repop mirror available as a '61 Thunderbird replacement.  It is really rare to find an original that isn't rusted.
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-04-14 20:38
Eh...my rockers have more holes than Swiss Cheese I am afraid. If I rolled a marble down the inside of one, it would be lucky to make it 1/2 way before dropping out. They will be replacement parts, along with the floor boards I am afraid.
The previous owner before me was a kid who had no idea how to cut a hole for a floor shifter, and then there is the  5 years of sitting in a front yard with grass grown up around the floors...none of which were good for any of the bottom end.
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Post by: billd5string on 2017-04-17 08:58
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-14 16:57
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That cover over the floor switch and pedal are really cool. Is that factory? I guess knowing you it must be - mine doesn't have either.

And I love the smiley face on the transmission hump - I know it's probably already covered up by carpet, but I smile every time I see it in your pictures.
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-04-17 21:21
Guenter....what rear view mirror is in yours?
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-18 04:25
@Rich
Unfortunately the NOS FoMoCo box for the mirror has no part# on it other than 'Comet nite and day' written by hand. bought it from ebay and I think it's 1964ish Comet/Fairlane. it's hard to tell as those look all so similar ( T bird Galaxie Comet Fairlane) I like the stripes on mine and the day/night mode is really useful in a daily driver. it's also a lot wider than the og 57 and covers the whole wraparound liftgate glass in the CS wagon. the stem has the correct threads for the 57 bracket and nut and it fits without any modification whatsover.(I have and keep the og 57 mirror for later, if somebody wanted to put back to stock).
@Bill. this is the factory dip switch cover that we were discussing a few weeks or months ago. again they rust out because of the faulty vent drain rubber, which is directly above. John Gambill Sr had some for sale in the classified section short time ago with other nice stuff ( I bought a NOS idler arm kit ). He either sold all of the covers or deleted the ad for other reason as I can't find it anymore. you should pm him. (I am talking about the metal cover that actually holds the dip switch)

That pedal is an old accessory from the 1950s or 1960s. They are readily available on ebay for around $20 and they sure are useful!
I have one of them in all of my dip switch equipped cars. They are called EZ-Dim'r or Dimmer and simply slip over the og dip.
switch. They make finding and pressing the dip switch much easier.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-04-18 07:09
Guenter, just curious but I have never heard the dimmer switch referred to as a dip switch.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-18 08:31
Jim, maybe this is a British expression I have taken over from my British bikes, MGs and British friends. Let's hear what Gary says about that. You know about their bonnets, mudguards and stuff.... :002:
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Post by: lalessi1 on 2017-04-18 18:51
"That pedal is an old accessory from the 1950s or 1960s. They are readily available on ebay for around $20 and they sure are useful!
I have one of them in all of my dip switch equipped cars. They are called EZ-Dim'r or Dimmer and simply slip over the og dip.
switch. They make finding and pressing the dip switch much easier."



Well I HAD to have one... I ordered mine on eBay this morning. Way cool, I have never seen one before.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-19 17:15
received the CS script from San Diego, Ca. via Carver, Ma. ! Thanx Jay and especially Conti Bob for the great script. It's in about the same condition and patina as my orginal and matches the wagon perfectly! I am going to use it as is, replacing the old one ( missing the  'n' which I had added with a pencil).
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-04-20 00:49
LOL!!! That was a heck of a nice "lead job" for the "N". A casual glance would have passed right over it.
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Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-04-20 14:04
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2017-04-18 07:09
Guenter, just curious but I have never heard the dimmer switch referred to as a dip switch.

Jim
I haven't heard that expression "dip" since the 50's when I was in England.   
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-20 14:46
replaced a leaky fuel gauge sending float
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good news the tank is near mint inside. must have been replaced or cleaned before:
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put a little extra padding in the worn seat cushions. this is just a quick repair for this season.
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carpet, sisal mats and seats are back in the wagon.
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this is not a tailfin, it's a tool tray ! :003: :003: :003:
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Post by: Swank on 2017-04-20 16:32
nice
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-22 16:09
staying on topic, this is no restoration! corners cut , but cleaned up.
Plenty of OLD and worn in this wagon - and proud of its history ! :003:
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first time out of the shop and hanging out with the rest of the 'Gang'.
I have been working nearly 20 years to finally get this together. mighty proud. :taz: :steeringwheel:
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-04-22 17:05
It looks awesome for a driver. Light the fire and drive it like you stole it  :003:
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-04-22 17:50
You ought to be proud! Looks good...well done!
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-04-22 18:11
Great photos......They all look good. Heck of a collection you put together, Guenter.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-22 18:28
2 weeks to inspection and a lot of things still need done. frontend alignment, brake lines and new hoses, engine cleaning, trailer hitch and socket mounted....I'll drive it like I stole it, cause somehow I stole it. Still can't believe it's mine  :003:

here's a cool 1957 Bob Luman song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H_Mp2Ri-sM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H_Mp2Ri-sM)
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: gasman826 on 2017-04-22 21:08
I'm not picking but I noticed the left lift gate latch is missing.  I had one missing and finally found another latch assembly and installed it.  While installing the replacement, I found the original in the bottom of the tailgate.  The spring breaks and the latch falls to the bottom.  I found new springs and installed them on both latches.  Maybe yours is in the bottom of your tailgate.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-23 03:38
I didn't find anything down there, but maybe it's wedged somewhere between the lower outer and inner panels. I will look one more time. good tip on replacing those springs! I'll get out one of the Del Rio latches this week and look what has to be done. rattling tailgates can be annoying and also sucking in exhaust fumes when not properly closed/sealed. I just replaced the worn lift gate striker plates this week with NOS ones. Left that missing latch aside, because my main focus is to get the car all together and all mechanical things, brakes, steering aso up to strict vehicle inspection standards asap.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-23 17:07
now it is getting hilarious... :002:
quick hitech frontend alignment.
The wooden 3/16" shim equals to 1degree camber on the 12" long water level.
the pssgr a arm needed 2x 1/16 + 1/32 ( =5/32) shim packs. the drivers only 1/32nd.
caster wasn't disturbed too much.
toe in needed 1/8 adjusted. a 10 miles test drive and it handles nice again so far.
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sitting nicely in the low evening sun
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held up the trailer hitch and it seems to fit. came of a Ranchero. Does anybody have such a hitch and maybe has some detail pics ?
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-04-23 19:21
I am beginning to believe that your ride is nicer, and possibly safer than many of the currently produced cars on the roads today!  :003: Looks oh so sweet!!!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-04-23 21:42
quote:and possibly safer than many of the currently produced cars on the roads today! 
Don't think that way for a minute. The cars today are incredibly safer than the days of old. We need to keep that in mind every minute we're behind the wheel. What they do have that the old NEW ones don't is Character. Kinda like old buildings vs. new. But yes, Guenter has one sweet looking car.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-04-23 23:16
Oh...I suppose...but I look at how many people fail to maintain their vehicles, drive with junk brakes, bald tires and burned out lights...(always the same light on the same car day in and day out) and his looks so much better. Maybe I need to drive around better people! LOL!!!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-24 02:12
Seeing your point, Hugh. But Rich is right! we must not forget the 60 years of progress in safety aspects. Since I don't have a new car and driving old cars all year round and everyday, I have become used to drive more carefully, keep more distance, looking ahead in traffic to make up for our old brakes and especially tires. using the turn signals early enough. Problem is that most everyday people have no clue about old cars. They don't know about their handling characteristics, brakes and tires. Everytime you keep 3 car length distance in stop and go, another new car will slip in just in front of you and you'll have to brake twice as hard again....doh!
It's useless to talk about passgr safety in an old car.
I do agree with Hugh, that we must properly maintain ( especially) an old car and there is no place for being careless in traffic.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-04-24 02:17
I have to say there are places I probably would not drive my '57 if it were still running drum brakes all around, like Seattle...or in L.A. Both places I spend too much time in. But mine will be upgraded to disc fronts...so braking will be good. And of course the rest of today's cars with their designed "crumple zones" and airbags and such make today's cars better...but I was mostly referring to the lack of maintenance on cars today...people don't seem to take care of them like they used to...sadly.   >:(
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-24 02:39
That is true Hugh. Because you can't repair new cars for yourself anymore for the most part, people don't maintain them properly.
Since I am self employed, I try to arrange my driving so not to get stuck in heavy downtown traffic. also when on vacation I'd rather do a 50 miles detour on countryroads than getting stuck in heavy traffic on the highways. For what it's worth though, the drum brakes easily lock up the wheels on the 57, if needed. but we all know the difference between discs and drums. my Del Rio has discs up front.
For a little more safety I wired the wagon for a Hazard flasher switch the other week. it is the least we can do.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ford Blue blood on 2017-04-24 07:40
We now take for granted thing like air bags (front/side/head), crumple zones, roll over protection, traction control (skid/anti lock), stainless exhaust systems, anti theft, and fuel economy.  I am glad they "don't build them like they used to"!  Not myself I worry about so much, it's the rest of the world that is in way too much of a hurry.....
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: gasman826 on 2017-04-24 11:21
How'd we manage to live this long...lead in the gas, asbestos in everything, non-collapsing steering columns, no rain sensitive wipers, no parking assist...
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: John Palmer on 2017-04-24 11:54
I think your pictured trailer hitch would be fine for a small trailer with a light tongue weight, say 250# or less.  My concern would not be the hitch itself, but the strength of the rear cross member that it's attached to.  It's a good design that it goes forward to the next cross member, but I do not see much "side to side" sway strength.

The hitch I modified was a square tube receiver "kit", and attaches with three 1/2" bumper bolts per side.  It also has a plate bolted in the center that attaches to the Ranch Wagon's rear cross member to tie it together.  I have towed 17' 2000# trailer's comfortably, but did add one leaf to the rear springs.  I did not have a trailer brake controller connected in the car, and that will be my next addition.

Sorry I have no photos.

Your wagon is LOOKING GOOD! 
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Post by: John Palmer on 2017-04-24 11:57
Quote from: gasman826 on 2017-04-24 11:21
How'd we manage to live this long...lead in the gas, asbestos in everything, non-collapsing steering columns, no rain sensitive wipers, no parking assist...

And........with all the vehicles equipped today with "automatic trailer backing" systems, it won't be fun to go to the lake and watch people trying to back up their boat trailers anymore!
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-24 16:38
John, thank you for sharing your actual experience with trailer hitches. I absolutely do agree that the rear crossmember is much to weak to carry the load. BUT- what you don't see in my pic is the bracket that attaches the trailer hitch to the rear bumper and bumper brace with at least a 1/2 or 9/16" bolt, so the hitch mostly hangs on the bumper and center brace ( which are bolted to the chassis with 4x 1/2" bolts. In my mind I want to add a 2x2 thick wall square tube into the rear crossmember for reinforcement and add 1/8" reinforcement plates to the little trailer hitch crossmember.
In Europe trailer tongue load is a lot different than what you have in the US and we are only alowed to have 160pds of tongue load, no matter how heavy the trailer. so it is more 'pulling' than actual weight on the hitch. appreciate your input !
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-24 17:00
No pics today, but lots done in 3 hours.
When returning from the test drive yesterday the Y block started running rough and misfiring. It was time for checking the ignition.
Well........as of now I have no idea how this car could drive 1500 miles from England and yet it did  :003:
breaker gap was 0.04 instead of 0.016.  one spark plug wire was damaged and grounded on the exhaust header.  the timing was at least 20degrees @ idle. Possibly to make up for the vaccuum line they removed alltogether ( although the vaccuum diaphragm is in full working order). the vacc line fitting was loose. the connector sockets on the coil resistor were loose to the point where it was firing erratically only. upon closer inspection the coil resistor terminal was totally loose because of crumbled insulator washers.
Honestly I have no idea of how that thing would run at all.
Good thing, now it's back to a very smooth and lively performance, bad thing I have to adjust  idle quite high to prevent stalling in D or R when hot. there's a 2barrel Holley and a Fordomatic in the wagon. any suggestions on how to cope with that problem ?
timing is 6degrees now and idle jets are 3/4 backed off. engine is powerful and pulls great. it's just that excessively high rpms in N or Park.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: gasman826 on 2017-04-24 17:45
confirm there are no other vacuum leaks.

confirm TDC...old dampers have been known to slip

while you have the plugs out...confirm compression
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-04-24 18:12
X2 on the dampener, until you verify that you will have no idea where the timing is. You will need to get the idle down to the correct speed to set timing accurately. If idling too high the mechanical advance may be adding advance.

Idle speed to high: Is the choke completely opening and all choke linkage free? There is also a high idle speed adjustment for when the choke is on..

Also be sure that the mechanical advance is free and working correctly. But you probably know all that..
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-04-27 04:18
Sometimes the base gets warped a bit at bottom of carb. I always take a can of carb cleaner and squirt the around the bottom of the spacer and the bottom of the carb to see if I cause a stumble. If so...then you know you have a leak of vacuum. Just a thought.


Quote: bad thing I have to adjust  idle quite high to prevent stalling in D or R when hot.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-27 04:29
Thanx guys. Lots of good tips what to look for! I have been able to prove many other things working and ok so far.(plugs, wires, coil, breaker, fuel pump, chocke heat riser plumbing, choke flaps and high idle setting aso)
The dampener looks very solid, but as you both mentioned, who knows. Will use a stop screw to mechanically find TDC and check the pulley reading. As soon as I can get to working on it in warmer weather, will check further for vacc leaks. I have ruled out quite some. wiper, fuel vacc pump, heater valve and vacc advance lines are all good and tight. no vacc loss there.
Jay pointed me to the phenolic heatdeflecting spacer under carb. it seems it has been removed on my car.
when I have the increased idle-N or stalling in D problem, the car is up to operating temperature and in stop and go traffic in 70 degree weather. When I let the car sit for 10-15 minutes it's all back to normal again and problem starts only 3-5 minutes later. It must be something that can cool of or heat up rapidly and in my mind has nothing to do with oil viscosity or block/oil/ coolant temperature. The block internals would only slightly cool off in 10 minutes. I reckon it's something or even several small things on the outside.
Jim has a good point in the mechanical advance in conjunction with slightly too high idle on carb. they will have influence on each other of course and I have observed the timing light wandering to late when the cars idle drops during getting hot, so I already have mechanical advance when I shouldn't. but it's tough to get decent idle and timing all the same.
I have been thinking about a sticky mechanical advance unit before.
the carb has been rebuilt and the throttle shaft feels tight. the carb adjusts nicely on the idle mixture screws and idle set screw.
Hugh: this is the next thing I am going to look for asap.
I will keep you posted on my efforts. luckily the site is back up again. what would we all do without the forum ? :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-27 04:34
Quote from: gasman826 on 2017-04-24 17:45
while you have the plugs out...confirm compression

I have had all the plugs out and they all look equally nice, with a tan/brownish color on the insulator/tip and flat grey/black around the perimeter of the threads. they are correct BF82C
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-27 05:48
a pictorial update.

mangled spark plug wire
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crumbled insulator and loose terminal on coil resistor
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new coil and resistor
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In my opinion the plugs look good for a 60 year old used engine
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new fuel hose for safety aspect
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trailer hitch mounted solid. feels extremely tight and ready for medium action. bolted a metric ball to it ( 50mm as oppossed to 2" US equals to 50.8mm). needs wiring and socket finished.
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og company tag from hitch.
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-27 06:12
can't believe this. I was looking on the car several times and couldn't find any factory stamps on the firewall. now that I am looking through my pics I find the PAINT OK stamp is right there if a little faint! I was trying to capture the March 18th factory date stamp in the cowl metal for future reference for my files. I am glad I haven't cleaned/polished over that area or I would have removed it all together. I plan to lightly clearcoat the factory stamps still present.

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-04-27 07:40
Timing fluctuation could be caused by a worn bushing in the top of the distributor allowing the shaft to wobble, that's another common problem. This could also be why the point gap was off, or there was extreme wear to the points rubbing block, maybe a lack of lube on the lobes?

Did you have the vacuum advance disconnected when checking the timing?

When using the piston stop rotate the engine in both directions marking the pulley both times, TDC will be between the two marks.

I'm probably preaching to the choir  :003: so just tell me to shut up  :001:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-27 08:34
Keep preaching Jim, there's always something else to learn and I am thankful for further thoughts or others' experience.
Even confirming my assumptions is valuable information.
I have repaired worn bushings in another Y block distributor before, and this one feels very tight. maybe it has been overhauled before. I have observed that worn mech advance bushing on several of my friend's Y blocks. you can literally feel and see the top of the shaft ( and cam) shift, when you wiggle it. not on this my CS distributor. it's tight.
The car had been driven 1500 miles before so the (replaced new) points block could easily have worn in. Yes I checked timing with vacuum advance disconnected. so far none of that helped so the problem must be somewhere else. Like Jay said, this will be a problem difficult to detect, but easy to fix... :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: John Palmer on 2017-04-27 11:36
I love the trailer hitch tag!  I'm sure Howard Ward never expected us to be talking about his trailer hitch after this many years.  Nothing is made in that part of L.A. anymore, it's all very expensive property today.  Today, your hitch would likely have a sticker that says "Made in China", from melted down 1957 Fords.

It's very interesting about the 160# tongue weight limit in Europe.  The rule we go by here is 10% of the total trailer weight needs to be on the tongue.  For example my 1948 Spartan weight is 3980#, so they design the balance to be 398# of tongue weight.  Obviously we "over estimate" what is really necessary for sway prevention.  It also answers why we see photos of smaller European cars pulling larger sized trailers.

You have already received many good ideas on "things to check".  One more idea, does your Ford-0-Matic have a vacuum modulator can on the back of the transmission case?  Many times the small 1/4" rubber vacuum hose rots off from oil leaks.  Any vacuum leak will cause your high idle speed issue.  You need to get it slowed down into the 700 RPM range to work.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-27 13:14
John, my Fordomatic is an early all mechanical. no vaccuum modulator on this one.
The topic of trailer tongue weight is very interesting. I have a good friend that has literally 100thousands of miles of towing experience and he has been towing most all of my project cars around. he also insists that a little more tongue weight will improve the bouncing and swaying situation. I don't think that you overestimate tongue weight in the US. 160 pds is nearly nothing and how would you be able to get just close to that value in a real trailer load situation ? if you only have a little less you risk a bouncy and swaying trailer combo. so a little more seems better in any case. he is particularily fond of twin axle trailers. especially leightweight aluminium with high load capacity.
My plans for the 57 call for either a lightweight ( and in Europe they ARE light) camping trailer or twin axle car trailer. ( I am aiming at a max 4500pds trailer weight). Don't worry about my hitch as I will slowly test it, starting out with a 600pds small camper and see how it feels and if anything moves. Before I get to pulling a 4000+ trailer I will make sure the hitch is up to that. especially reinforcing the rear frame crossmember with bolted in square tubing ( to the main chassis rails) and boxing the trailer hitch where necessary. I do feel though that this old hitch is really capable of quite some beating and pulling. It has been nicely heated, bent and hammered around the og gas tank. with a little fiddling ( and swearing, don't tell Jay :003:) it fit like a glove.
I don't even have a trailer at this point, but I figured since I had this nice hitch I better bolt it on before inspection.(the hitch needs inspected over here as well. a current data tag has to be riveted on for registration purpose and will replace the og dealer tag. of course I am keeping the dealer tag and will put it in another spot on the hitch)
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-04-27 19:17
     Guenter
     Maybe you know this already , but I'm going to state it anyways.  Ford advance works on throttle vacuum from the carburetor.  They do not work on manifold vacuum like the GM cars.  Where is your vacuum hose connected?   It should be to the carburetor.  If your vacuum hose comes from the manifold, that would cause the RPMs to go up.

      Another thing to remember if you are adjusting your carburetor in drive or reverse to make sure that the emergency brake is on and the wheels are blocked front and back and don't race the engine.  that car could take off like a rocket.  But you know that already also.

      That's one real cool old timey California  trailer hitch.  Can the plate be seen without crawling under the car?   Jay   
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-28 02:35
Jay, my Holley type two barrel carb is a Ford OEM equipment which would be used on a 57. It is covered in the 57 shop manual as well. It has been rebuilt last year and yes the vaccum advance line comes from the carb , namely the typical Holley idle circuit plate and there is really only that one vaccuum exit ( or rather inlet) with a 3/8UNF fitting. it's a bit alarming that the og vacc advance line was cut and plugged for whatever reason. the diaphragm is in working order. So somebody already fiddled with it but they obviously didn't adress the real cause.
It must be something that happens very quickly. I start the engine, let it run until the choke is off the cam, drive the car out of my place and everything is nice, ok (maybe 700-800) idle in N and nicely running in D when stopped. Driving it for about 5minutes and 3 miles and engine stalls as soon as you stop at the light. won't even idle in N or P. starts immediately and I can keep idle with a little gas and left foot braking. as soon as I adjust the idle set screw about 1/2 turn in it will hold idle again ( if a little high in N) and D will go in with the typical clunk, but it won't stall. It drives fully normal. then park it for 10 minutes with engine off and I can back off the idle set screw and it will be back to normal until 3 minutes later it will stall again. choke flap and cam are always open as in hot condition.
I reckon that a little change in idle mixture ( for whatever reason, vacc leak, hot air from the headers or trapped under hood...???)
lowers the rpm, which causes the mechanical advance to retard the timing, which further drops idle, causing to stall engine. I am pretty sure it is a combination of idle mixture and timing problem. Unfortunately it has been raining and cold for 2 days in line so I haven't been able to work on it under real driving conditions.
20 years ago my first 57 crashed into a wall, when I was fiddling on the carb. I had the car just 2 weeks, The gear selector lever was not properly set and some PO had mounted an overly heavy stupid shifter ball without checking the worn og P locking mechanism. Needless to say, that when I slightly revved the 302, the gear dropped from P to R and it backed up into a wall. luckily nobody was hurt and the damage wasn't too bad, but lesson learned forever. always set the parking brake and block the wheels, even lift the rear axle in case somethings phoney with trans or so.
I have replaced the brake cable in the CS and tested it. It won't even break loose the wheels a bit in D and half throttle. You know me already Jay....Let's hope that others think the same way - SAFETY FIRST !!!
Yes the (new) data tag has to be visible for an officer in case and will be mounted in place of the old one.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-28 05:05
JFI Chilton says 1 degree centrifugal advance @ 375 rpm and full 18degrees at 2000rpm. That means an approximate increase of timing of 1 degree per 100 rpm. that means 7 degrees of timing difference between 1000rpm and stall. that is pretty much what I observe with the timing light, maybe a little more ( estimated 10 degrees) of timing fluctuation, when engine rpms drop and stalls when hot. can't wait to go out again and search for the cause. stupid rain, move away ! :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-28 06:37
found something missing from top of the 2bl Holley carburetor. there seems to be a linkage to the fuel bowl vent ( a check valve), which is either plugged or stuck or whatever.
remembering last time I touched it incidently engine stalled. looked like an aluminium plug, so I didn't bother much further. now in the exploded view I see there should be some kind of linkage to the accelerator pump. Let's hurry up and wait for the rain to stop...
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: lalessi1 on 2017-04-28 09:16
Here are pics of an older Holley with the linkage you are looking for...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Reman-Holley-2300-2-Barrel-Carburetor-2463-1-1960-1964-AMC-Rambler-250-287-327-/182526407086?hash=item2a7f6bf1ae:g:kFkAAOSwpkFY7RmX&vxp=mtr
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: John Palmer on 2017-04-28 11:22
Quote from: lalessi1 on 2017-04-28 09:16
Here are pics of an older Holley with the linkage you are looking for...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Reman-Holley-2300-2-Barrel-Carburetor-2463-1-1960-1964-AMC-Rambler-250-287-327-/182526407086?hash=item2a7f6bf1ae:g:kFkAAOSwpkFY7RmX&vxp=mtr

The linkage shown in the photo should not have any issue for Guenter regarding his idle issue.  It was used on the later models as part of the emissions system that we started to see about 1965 in California models, and 1966 in other states.  The float bowel is vented thru the tall tube "into the air cleaner" when the linkage is closed (throttle open), and is vented to atmosphere when the car sits with a hot engine (linkage vent is open).  It helps with hot start problems.  If it was missing entirely, it would still work just fine.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: John Palmer on 2017-04-28 11:45
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-28 05:05
JFI Chilton says 1 degree centrifugal advance @ 375 rpm and full 18degrees at 2000rpm. That means an approximate increase of timing of 1 degree per 100 rpm. that means 7 degrees of timing difference between 1000rpm and stall. that is pretty much what I observe with the timing light, maybe a little more ( estimated 10 degrees) of timing fluctuation, when engine rpms drop and stalls when hot. can't wait to go out again and search for the cause. stupid rain, move away ! :003:

I think the spec's your reading is talking about setting up the distributor in a SUN distributor machine.  The distributor turns at half crank speed, so the 375 RPM is really 750 engine crankshaft RPM.

Take a look at the distributor.  You will have a primary spring (small/light) and a secondary spring (thicker/stronger).  Note, this is all below the breaker plate, so you have to turn the distributor and look through the spring "adjustment hole", or remove the plate to see the springs.  Make certain that the mechanical advance is not hanging up (usually is rusted) and that the primary spring is strong enough to return the advance completely during idle speed.  Part of servicing a distributor was pulling the rotor, check the mechanical advance and LUBING (with oil) the small felt pad under the rotor to prevent the rust.  After 60 years who knows what was really done to our cars.

Pull the rotor off, with a needle nose pliers, pull the felt out of the center, lube with oil the center of the advance mechanical advance mechanism.  If it's stiff, pull the funky shape small spring out of the top of the distributor shaft, remove the screws that hold down the breaker plate and clean and grease the shaft and advance. 

If the advance does not return completely, easily, and smoothly, it could cause the issues like you have experienced.  It could also be "heat sensitive".

Then again, I could be completely "off track", LOL.  But at least it's something that's easy to check. 
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-28 13:36
Guys.....and John and Lynn, thanx for your input first!
I must be the happiest man on earth today
because

I FOUND IT !

:003:

Like most of you I was going back and forth between carb vaccuum and timing, and as a matter of fact all is part of it.
To make a long story short, the main problem WAS the fuel bowl vent !!!!!!!!!
obviously the carb or/and bowl had been replaced by a reconditioned or later NOS part and it had the top fuel bowl vent plugged with that little aluminum thingy I was refering before. I thought it over and over in my mind again and was watching it stalling again at operating temperature and was also observing how the engine would stall when you partwise plugged the main vent with your thumb. also the 57 Manual stated the second fuel bowl vent was for 'curb side idle'. I simply removed the plug and all is good.
engine idles nicely, no more stalling when hot and no racing idle adjustment because all of that. Much more is involved and I will get back in detail later. Still I have no proof of how things will work with a cold engine but I am very positive. Idle is down to ultimate Y block-cargo-ship-sound-alike creeping speed. plain love it !!!! :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-28 19:46
Hopefully this will help others in troubleshooting as well.
Rereading the manuals I found this discription in the 57 Ford shop manual. It reads that an external fuel bowl vent is necessary for curb idle.
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and that exploded view in the Chilton manual. these show the external fuel bowl vent ( in different versions obviously, this linkage looks like the one Lynn posted).
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My actual carb had none of that and the bosses on the bowl were never drilled or tapped for the fuel bowl vent linkage. Possibly a NOS, replacement or refurbished carb or built for another application. there is a solid plug where the fuel bowl vent should be.
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I simply pulled the little plug and replaced it with a piece of hose for now
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Here's that little devil !!! GRRRRRR ! :taz:
way easier pulling this rascal than replacing the distributor and resetting timing. :003:
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When the engine is up to operating conditions with plug removed it keeps idle nicely both in N and Dr. As soon as you put the plug back it stalls immediately. Obviously the non vented bowl disturbs pressure conditions in the idle system ever so little, but enough to cause the engine to stall. I have never before seen such a problem. This engine must have had rough idle roblems ever since the carb was rebuilt/replaced. It probably explains why the vaccuum unit was disconnected and heat riser tube mangled, timing disturbed, fast idle set screw bent beyond function and more. such a little thing causing such a problem and they couldn't find it..... :005:
I am sure there will have to be further adjustments and little things corrected, when the engine is back to cold and hot temperature conditions, but for now the CS runs like a dream and holds idle in P.R.N and Dr.
30 minutes test drive and not a single skip. no clunk anymore when putting her into gear. Timing slightly advanced to 8-10 degrees as it seems to run better with that. still not checked the vibration damper marks for accuracy.
There is some timing fluctuation of 2 or 3 degrees but I can live with that for now.
Here's some viedos of the cargoship leaving the harbor :002:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA0cbWV5Sfw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA0cbWV5Sfw)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-irQFB8cyBo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-irQFB8cyBo)
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-04-28 23:48
 :icon_cheers:    :wav:    :blob9:   :laughing4:

I believe the entire gang is cheering with you! Congrats!!!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: John Palmer on 2017-04-29 00:00
Glad you found it!

I hate rebuilder's, they screw up everything they touch.  The original parts, and a new gasket kit are a much better choice 99% of the time.

No reason you cannot leave it open, as long as you can figure out a shield to keep the big debris out.  On the two and four barrel Ford/Autolite carbs they just had a 3/16" diameter vent hole drilled at an angle towards the base of the air cleaner, but the top gasket was cut in a way to form a baffle to prevent dirt from falling into the float bowel.

What fits into the black grommet at the rear of the air horn?  You usually find a 1/4" tube coming down from inside the (filtered) air horn, that feeds "clean filtered air" to the choke fitting on the exhaust manifold.  The other tube sends the warmed air back to the choke housing.  Basically it's a clean air closed loop system as originally designed.  The choke housing has a vacuum piston and will suck up dirt if not supplied with filtered air.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-29 15:38
John, thanx for pointing out, as I had no idea about the fresh air choke tubing circuit. The 4 barrel Y block intake has a little mushroom shaped baffle for the choke heat riser tubing so I wasn't expecting the line running up into the air cleaner. I was thinking about the plugged hole the other day when fiddling with the carb.
somebody badly mangled all of the choke system.they cut and plugged the og heating tube from the intake ( installed an aftermarket kit that takes hot air directly from the exhaust manifold, without filtering). they bent the high idle set crew and lever so it was completely out of working order and off the cam. Now I have it back working and correctly set up again and the wagon has nice smooth idle when cold and won't stall when putting into gear, even immediately after cold start. I love getting these little odds and ends improved and working as they should. It's not only about convenience but also about safety in everyday driving. Stalling engines are no good in traffic.
After yesterday's trouble shooting work the car started up today from really cold (close freezing) nicely and held idle well, if a bit higher than yesterday (dense air in cold weather). just a little adjustment, maybe 1/8 turn of idle set screw and it was back down to creeping speed in Dr in hot condtion. there will be many more small steps in making it run even better, like adjusting valve backlash, reworking the rocker shaft assemblies, fiddling with the distributor to get rid of the slight timing fluctuation, possibly changing the choke hot air feed back to factory specs aso. this is still an old, long time unopened and probably well used engine, but I am happy to have it pretty smooth and steady.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-29 15:49
Today saw a nice local swap meet and I found this great Australian camber/caster gauge. I have no idea how it would make it from far away Melbourne, Australia to little Graz, Austria ??
it works great on both the 34 and 57 front hubs (magnetic) and I will have to rethink my camber shims, as stupid me I set it to 1 degree NEG camber. it should be 1 degree POS ! I'll get that fixed next week. Funny as the wagon goes perfectly straight even at 70mph.
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swap meet also got me this near mint set of 7.75-14 US Royals, that I plan to put on the og color matching set of HD wheels that came on the wagon as an alternative to the wide whites. they'll give the car a mid 1960s feel.
(http://up.picr.de/29051898qq.jpg)
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: lalessi1 on 2017-04-29 16:36
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-28 13:36
Guys.....and John and Lynn, thanx for your input first!
I must be the happiest man on earth today
because

I FOUND IT !

:003:

Like most of you I was going back and forth between carb vaccuum and timing, and as a matter of fact all is part of it.
To make a long story short, the main problem WAS the fuel bowl vent !!!!!!!!!
obviously the carb or/and bowl had been replaced by a reconditioned or later NOS part and it had the top fuel bowl vent plugged with that little aluminum thingy I was refering before. I thought it over and over in my mind again and was watching it stalling again at operating temperature and was also observing how the engine would stall when you partwise plugged the main vent with your thumb. also the 57 Manual stated the second fuel bowl vent was for 'curb side idle'. I simply removed the plug and all is good.
engine idles nicely, no more stalling when hot and no racing idle adjustment because all of that. Much more is involved and I will get back in detail later. Still I have no proof of how things will work with a cold engine but I am very positive. Idle is down to ultimate Y block-cargo-ship-sound-alike creeping speed. plain love it !!!! :003:

Amazing how such a tiny thing makes such a big difference. I thought I remembered that vent lever on the fuel bowl from long ago so I looked for a picture of that vintage Holley, it was what I remembered but I had no idea of the function... :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-29 16:54
thanx again for posting that link, Lynn! that is typical for all of you great forum members and 57 owners and it sure helps a lot in trouble shooting! Just a little further info will point you in the right direction. love it !
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-04-29 18:42
Guenter
   I have to concede that I would not have figured that one out.  You have an analytical mind and can think these things out.   Mustang6984 got it right and had all the little people cheering for you.  I do believe that everyone was.  Fixing the problem is usually easier than finding it.  You get a thumbs up from me for that one.
   
    You did good finding that alignment tool.  I have a set of them that I have been using for years since a front end alignment was $19. I wonder what they cost now.  You might have seen them in the wooden cabinet to the left of my desk.   Well maybe not. first you have to find the desk under all of my junk.   They do work.  Jay 
   
     
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-30 05:00
Thank you Jay. I am sure there are still some other minor issues around the fuel and ignition system, that helped making this plug the major cause. Next thing I will check the fuel bowl float level and if it changes when engine gets hot. A combination of lower fuel level and plugged vent will also change the idle mixture. good thing, I now have a hole to check fuel level without  having to remove the bowl... :003:
I don't remember seeing your camber gauges, but then again I probably wouldn't have even known what one looks like....haha...
I also got a kingpin inclination tool with the set. Maybe not so important on the 57 IFS but a nice thing to have for solid front axles.
Anyways will be great using on the Del Rio, which knowingly was in a frontend accident.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-04-30 07:29
Guenter, I have to question why you would want +1 camber rather then -1 ?
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ford Blue blood on 2017-04-30 07:50
Me too.  1* positive will allow the outside tire in a turn to "roll under" giving a bunch of under steer (push) which will have a bunch of negative impact on handling, especially at higher speeds.

If it were me, 1* negative is perfect!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-04-30 08:13
OOOPS, just saw the carb comment about fuel level. The Holley you have has an external adjustment for the fuel level, no need to remove the bowl..
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-04-30 14:03
     Like Jim and Ford Blue Blood stated, you have to have minus on the casters.   What the minus does is to allow the car to go in a straight line and it allows the steering wheel to return when making a turn. 

     Did you ever happen to notice how much negative  caster a  dragster has?   They want it  to straight down the track. 
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-30 15:45
Boys, now you got me interested. As I mentioned the car is riding nicely and straight ahead as is. I had been used to slight neg camber from other cars, so when I first set the camber on the 57 CS to 1 deg neg, I didn't even question what I was doing. Also it looks normal on the car ( is visible). BUT, the og Ford shop manual and specs book and also Chiltons call for 1/2 to 1-1/2degrees POSITVE camber, as to top of wheels further out as on the ground. I have had plenty of straight axle cars with built in positive camber and I know of their shortcomings, but I was just rereading the 57 specs and was thinking I should get closer to factory specs. Dunno...?!?
I remember from Rich's thread where he was talking about his caster problems because of the rake on his car and that a 57 Ford has very little built in caster. camber and caster they go together, so I was thinking that with little factory caster it would be calling for pos camber maybe ??? You guys tell me please. I know the basic rules of front end alignment very well, but I have absolutely no experience with the 57. ( other than having had great alignment in the SD Courier and it ran perfectly straight, so I never disturbed anything on the front wheel alignment. when I lowered it, I drew a 1:1 sketch of the  suspension arms and calculated the thickness of shims according to the amount it got dropped. The car rode as well as before and never wore out tires. of course I did adjust toe in).
now that I have this nice camber-caster gauge, I'll be ready to change it in a minute. Do I change it at all ?
I noticed, when going through tight corners the outer tire still lightly squeals. I have slightly less than 1/8 toe in.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-04-30 17:06
I guess it's a personal decision on what to use. If the factory specs work for you thats good. I like mine at -1 camber & +2 caster, the car just seems more stable at speed. Maybe the difference is radial tires vs bias ply?
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-04-30 17:22
Don't get me wrong Jim. Are you saying that you are driving your Ranchero with 1degree neg camber (bottom of wheels further out) and are having no tire wear trouble ?!
My car sits at exactly 1 degree negative camber right now as well ( because it felt only natural to me when setting them up) and am totally pleased with. But I will be doing a 700Miles roundtrip in 2 weeks from now and would hate to wear out the nearly new whitewalls because of an incorrect setup. Only when re-reading the specs and manual I saw that Ford wanted positive camber.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-04-30 18:22
No wear problems so far. I just changed tires around the first of the year but not for wear problems, just Chinese to BF Goodrich. The Chinese were on for 6,000 miles and the new ones have about 2500 now. Yes I am running -1 camber, I don't now why the Ford spec is + but I never liked that.

Did the tires you bought have a build date?
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: gasman826 on 2017-04-30 20:55
Bias tires have different recommendations than radial tires.  Wide tires have different recommendations than narrow tires.  1950 specs are different than 2017 specs.  Auto cross specs are different than car show specs.  Caster and camber have little wear impact on narrow, radial tires as long as the specs are similar side to side.  Typical manufacturer's recommendations for radials is a little negative camber with 1/8 +/- degree side to side difference.  1/4-3/8 degree negative camber should optimize cornering with 2 or more positive degrees of caster.  Most '57s don't have that much adjustability built into them.  So if you have radials, get a little negative camber with as much positive caster as available.  If you are using those 7.75-14 Uniroyals, closer to 0 camber and with no power steering not so much positive caster for easier steering.  Toe-in is critical as always for tire wear.  All adjustments can be interpreted for personal driving characteristics.  Just as long as you know why you are doing.  My two cents is that one degree positive or negative camber are extreme.  But tire wear shouldn't be an issue if tires are replaced every 5-6k miles.  If I was doing Auto Cross with wide, soft, sticky tires, I'd set camber one or more degrees negative.  With the same tire and doing Power Tour, I'd set them much closer to 0.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-01 04:57
Thank you very much Jim and Gary. Great info and sharing your experience. I think from what I heard I might set up the car to about zero camber this week and see what happens. I think I want to keep the caster as is, as it goes straight nicely. I will take utmost care to properly set toe in. Hope to get it done this week.
I also have another set of radial tires for the 57.
I need to check the US Royals' date but they are not that old. maybe 5 to 10 years. I know they car they came off.
G.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-01 06:22
G, 5-10 years old is pretty old by todays standards, I run mine a max of about 7. Just curious but looking at your camber gauge it only ranges from -1 to +3, I don't know what cars would use that much + camber ?
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: gasman826 on 2017-05-01 06:53
Near 50 years ago, I did alignments in a shop that had magnetic gauges attached to the hub very much like yours.  The gauges worked fine but were quickly becoming obsolete with the release of OEM styled wheels, 4x4s, and front wheel drives.  They are still available today usually marketed for racing to make adjustments trackside where extreme adjustments may be used for performance handling setups.

Now all you need is a set of 'turn tables'.  Camber settings are fairly straight forward.  But, the caster readings process requires turning the front wheels 20 degrees, zeroing the gauge, turning the front end to opposite 20 degrees to take the reading.  This is difficult to do without turning plates...NOT impossible but difficult.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Redline-Alignment-Four-4-Post-Lift-Turn-Table-Rotate-Plates-Pair-/252403259180?hash=item3ac468172c:g:h4sAAOSwR5dXRw7W
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ford Blue blood on 2017-05-01 07:31
My Shelby GT500 is running -1.25 degree camber with no pronounced tire wear.  I average 3 - 4K miles a year with trips and "play" time.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-05-01 12:41
Quote from: gasman826 on 2017-05-01 06:53
Now all you need is a set of 'turn tables'.  Camber settings are fairly straight forward.  But, the caster readings process requires turning the front wheels 20 degrees, zeroing the gauge, turning the front end to opposite 20 degrees to take the reading.  This is difficult to do without turning plates...NOT impossible but difficult.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Redline-Alignment-Four-4-Post-Lift-Turn-Table-Rotate-Plates-Pair-/252403259180?hash=item3ac468172c:g:h4sAAOSwR5dXRw7W

Günter
   When you get a few minutes, click on the link that Gary posted.   That's what I was talking about in my email to you this morning. Jay


   
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: John Palmer on 2017-05-01 12:49
If I were building race cars and running a chassis fab shop I would love to have a set of quality turn tables like Gary listed.

But........we are Hot Rodder's!   And as Hot Rodder's, we build "crazy things",  "late at night", to "loud music", with the "minimal amount" of tools!  Right?

So try this, four square 12" pieces of thick plywood,........contact glue four smooth 12" square vinyl tiles to the plywood,.......add a nice thin layer of grease to the tiles and place the greased sides together,........set them on the floor,........place the cars front wheels/tires on the "home made" plywood turn tables.  Adjust away! 

Note the turn tables need to not only turn, but easily slide "in and out" in order to set toe, at ride height.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: billd5string on 2017-05-01 14:30
Quote from: John Palmer on 2017-05-01 12:49
So try this, four square 12" pieces of thick plywood,........contact glue four smooth 12" square vinyl tiles to the plywood,.......add a nice thin layer of grease to the tiles and place the greased sides together,........set them on the floor,........place the cars front wheels/tires on the "home made" plywood turn tables.  Adjust away!

Have you actually tried that? It sounds plausible... maybe just would need the addition of pins to hold the pieces together while the car was moved into place. I've thought about making turntables by getting some 1/8th thick steel and put grease between them, but it's not like I have a bunch of that lying around already. But plywood... that I'm sure I've got some lying around. :002:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-01 15:06
hahaha.....John I like your attitude !  :thumbsup:
Thanx Jay and Gary for making me aware of the turning plates. I had read about them while searching the internet for the 40degree procedure to measure caster. actually I had the idea to use steel bead blasting stuff (little cast iron balls) and hardwood pieces to get it more slippery, but Johns idea sounds like a pretty perfect homegrown $5 version of the hitec stuff.... :003: I will try that for sure tomorrow !
All the experience shared with camber and caster is valuable information for sure! I have come to use 1deg neg by incidence, but as mentioned the car handles much better than anything that I had ever driven on bias ply tires. anyways, now that I have the accurate gauge I will take the setup to maybe 1/2 or 1 deg pos camber, just to see how it would affect the handling. I can go back anytime.
I see that I have a new hobby in setting up IFS as to my likings. :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-01 15:09
Jim, old trucks with solid axles often had more than 2 or 3 degrees camber to make up for when the axle bent under severe load conditions. I started out in the truck business and we still saw some of these in the early 1990s.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-01 15:16
G, normally caster is set first, then equal amount of shims added or removed to get the camber.

Did you see my post about setting the fuel level on the Holley? 
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-01 15:25
Jim, yes saw your post concerning the fuel float level. I will have to further look and read into that but thanx for making me aware. I had observed the large fuel inlet and top screws.Thanx for making me aware of that.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-01 15:26
let's take a short tim off front suspension and on to the outside rearview mirrors. Many discussions on that topic and obviously it's a difficult thing to get them working on a 57. Purchased this swan neck aftermarket set from Macs, because I saw a similar set used on another 57. Found out that they work extremely well on the 57, upside down ( RH on driver's side), when mounted on the frontmost lowest corner of the door glass frame. Let me warn you that these are total cr** and the typical aftermarket stuff. I nearly smasehd them today, if it wasn't for my son being with me and I had to behave ( smashing them wouldn't have been any good anyways).
the SS mirrorheads have metric 6mm threads and the tapped threads in the arm wer much to large and Us threads, most probably 1/4" Fine ( 6.35mm) as they stripped out wiht only hand tightening the mirror head. I can not accept how anybody would produce or sell worthless scrapmetal for that much money spent....I am sorry, but.......
I had to countersink the arm with a 10mm drill and fruther drill and tap it for 6mm threads to get the mirror attached. In the end it looked much cleaner than the original design and hopefully it will stay put. anyways the upside down arm works great with vent wings and visibility on a 57.
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I just can't watch drilling holes.....urgggh..... :003: poor ole 57 ! :005:
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put a chamfer on the rubber seal and arm to mount it as low as possible
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this is the actual view from driver's position
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-01 15:31
the looks are ok (while not totally period correct, but we need to see traffic)
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this is the RW that made me aware of using this type of mirrors (found on the internet). It seems as if the mirrors are mounted higher and not sure if the vent wings would clear.
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-01 15:54
Way COOL mirrors  :004:

Sorry to get off track but back to the carb before I forget. Simple check for the fuel level is the sight plug, just unscrew it, the fuel level should be at the bottom of the hole, it's that simple on a Holley :003:

Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-01 16:01
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2017-05-01 15:54
Way COOL mirrors  :004:

Sorry to get off track but back to the carb before I forget. Simple check for the fuel level is the sight plug, just unscrew it, the fuel level should be at the bottom of the hole, it's that simple on a Holley :003:

Er..... Jim, you know that you make me feel S T O O O O P I D right now......hahahahaha....can't believe it, but there you go. :003:
Seems I was involved too much with the little plug....
Thanx alot for another great tip !!!! The wealth of information on this site is just incredible !
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-01 16:12
Any day we learn something new is a good day. None of us can know it all. I've been working on 57's since 1965 and still learn new things all the time.
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Post by: lalessi1 on 2017-05-01 16:33
Guenter, I mounted a repop on the door and the mirror itself seems to be about in the same spot as yours...that said, the mirror is cheaply made and the mirror holder is loose on the pivot so it vibrates a lot. I am looking for something better. I  love yours.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-01 16:54
Lynn, I like yours better than mine. looks very elegant and streamlined. it's a pitty about the bad quality of that stuff.
It's hard to find a set that works equally nice on the pssgr side. you are right, the position of the mirrorhead looks the same as mine.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: gasman826 on 2017-05-01 16:57
I like that...best solution I've seen.  I have a little peep mirror on top of the left door.  It works for me but changing to the right lane is sketchy at best.  I could see me living with these on both sides.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-01 17:11
Gary if you would want to use these they are MACs# 49-50870-1
http://www.macsautoparts.com/ford_mercury_late/outside-swan-neck-rear-view-mirrors-pair-round-head-left-and-right.html (http://www.macsautoparts.com/ford_mercury_late/outside-swan-neck-rear-view-mirrors-pair-round-head-left-and-right.html)
They are inexpensive but not even worth their money qualitywise. Do expect some work needed to fix the mirror to the arm.( At least remove the spring washer and use Loctite with the soft threads. only tighten lightly! As mentioned I chamfered the gasket and arm so It would go as low as possible. I did not use the second (smaller) stud, as I hate drilling unnecessary holes and since the miror arms rests on the door skin with the chamfer it can't rotate much anyways.
as you say peep mirrors work ok, but not that well in the end. I am getting concerned about safety more and more each day.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: John Palmer on 2017-05-01 23:18
Quote from: lalessi1 on 2017-05-01 16:33
Guenter, I mounted a repop on the door and the mirror itself seems to be about in the same spot as yours...that said, the mirror is cheaply made and the mirror holder is loose on the pivot so it vibrates a lot. I am looking for something better. I  love yours.

Lynn, I have the same repop mirror's on my Ranch Wagon, and I also agree they are poor in quality.  The mirror is just slightly loose on the adjusting ball and they vibrate.  I think they are Vintique? (China).
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-02 03:22
If some of you want to use these mirrors, there are two more little details to watch. the arm base mounting stud needs shortened about 3/8" so it will clear the a post when door is closed and the mirror head needs slight grinding (maybe 1/16) around the hole (for the ball) with a little dremel cutting wheel so it will pivot a little further to the get proper rearview angle, especially on the pssgr side. the pencil mark is about what needs to be ground off.

as mentioned before the mirror base has to go as low as possible on the door frame, so that the arm will clear the vent wings for full opening.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Jeff Norwell on 2017-05-02 07:05
Looks great G! and a fantastic solution.I have used Swans on a few Hotrods in the past..... I try NEVER to buy from Macs anymore... SoCal's are a much higher quality..and of course the so is the price.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-05-02 08:57
My '67 Chev mirrors I got at Socal in Arizona. Made by Fargo, happy with the quality. The first driver's side one I got was loose, but it got damaged in my accident and it's replacement was very stiff. I think the first one I bought was loose because it was an open shelf display and probably played alot. Very happy with the visibility on both sides. larger than normal mirror, posts slant outwards, so clears the wing window easily. May have used the left on the right and vise versa. Covered the bowtie with embossed alum blue ovals...only thing I don't like about them.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: 57AGIN on 2017-05-02 15:51
Rich:

Do those Brand XXX mirrors use the same mounting holes or at least cover up the original type Ford side mirror holes?  I don't mind using a better part that serves the purpose better than the original.  Since I now use an electric 2 speed windshield wiper motor AKA 57 Brand XXX.

Bob
57 AGIN
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-05-02 17:25
I did not have door mounted mirrors previously, if I did they got welded up, so I don't know if the hole pattern in these is anywhere close. When I get back to the new house where my car is I'll measure the base. Doug/57imposter installed them also, and somewhere on this forum is all the locational dimensions I used. I'll try to find it.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-05-02 22:19
couldn't find our old thread, but I did measure the base of the mirror......5 1/2".
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: 57AGIN on 2017-05-03 00:39
Rich:

Thanks for your efforts, I measured my external rear view mirrors and found the mounting holes to be 5.5" apart and the overall length of the mirror to be 7.5."  I was able to access my driver side and took photos of the mirror mounting and the clearances.  I have no vent window clearance issues on the driver side, tomorrow I'll check the passenger side clearances to see if there are any clearance issues.

Bob
57 AGIN
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-03 03:06
all your door mounted mirrors look real nice and obviously clear the vent wings. well done!
on my first 57 I used '55 ***** mirrors and I put them further back, so I could see the pssgr mirror through the main door glass (to the rear of felt channel). They worked nicely.
Unfortunately the pics I have don't show that well.
There is no way to safely drive a Sedan Delivery without a pssgr mirror these days.
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-05-03 03:25
"There is no way to safely drive a Sedan Delivery without a pssgr mirror these days."

There has NEVER been a "safe" way to drive one. I had big "cargo" mirrors on mine...was planning on going back to the smaller mirrors that were stock...but reading how much of a pain it is to find decent ones without resorting to brand "X" stuff...I may go back to the cargo mirrors.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: KYBlueOval on 2017-05-03 05:16
Quote from: 57AGIN on 2017-05-03 00:39
Rich:

Thanks for your efforts, I measured my external rear view mirrors and found the mounting holes to be 5.5" apart and the overall length of the mirror to be 7.5."  I was able to access my driver side and took photos of the mirror mounting and the clearances.  I have no vent window clearance issues on the driver side, tomorrow I'll check the passenger side clearances to see if there are any clearance issues.

Bob
57 AGIN

Bob....your description of these mirrors sounds great........can you tell us exactly what mirrors you are using?
Thanks
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-03 18:03
Today I replaced all brake hoses, stoplight switch and fluid and the new hoses make for a somewhat stiffer pedal. nice ! The new (50 yrs old) camber/caster gauge is an absolutly wonderful thing to have! today I set up my 4 post lift so everything was straight and level and measuring turning angles with some wooden beams and ruler with angle scale. Should be very close to the actual caster as I observed that a few (1-3) degrees more or less of turning angle wouldn't affect the caster reading too much, maybe 0.1 degrees. My readings should be pretty ok, since I measured 25degrees of toe in angle on the inner wheel when having 20 degrees on the outer. pretty much the factory specs.
started out with 1 degree neg camber and 3/4 caster on both wheels. after calculating the shims  (considering the distance of the upper and lower ball joints, which is pretty much 12 ") came out with 1/2 deg positive camber ( minimum factory specs) and 1-1/2 degrees pos caster (max factory specs) on both sides.
The car does handle justa little different now.

steering effort while parking and at low speeds is a tad higher.
the wagon is just a bit more nervous in city cruising (30mph) and road corrugations.
It is even a bit more stable at high speeds now (80+).
The tire squealing in tight corners is gone. obviously the right setup for little wear on bias ply tires.

feels as if this is a good setup for the moment and tires I am using.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-03 18:28
trailer hitch finished. data tag and Euro spec plug connector.
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first the camber caster gauge boxes needed restoring.... :002:
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before
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After: 1/2 deg camber
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1-1/2 deg caster
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: 57AGIN on 2017-05-03 20:26
djfordmanjack:

Sorry Rich and I hijacked your build in discussing the mirror stuff.  I'll put my response to KYBlueOval over on General Discussion in my posts on 57 AGIN back at Santini's.  The work you are doing on your project is really great, you obviously have top notch fabrication skills and a great love for the 57's.  Keep up the great work on your Country Sedan.

Bob
57 AGIN
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: lalessi1 on 2017-05-03 20:36
South Lousiana must be a third world country! You should see what a trailer hitch is here... :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: canadian_ranchero on 2017-05-03 21:46
here is a picture of the hitch i am putting in my wagon
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-05-03 22:17
Wow..that's a sturdy looking hitch! Does that replace the small final crossmember? Care to share some info on it?
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-04 02:25
Wow, what a piece of steel! :119: that is really solid and well made!!!
Nevermind hijacking a thread Bob,if it fits here it belongs here. Sometimes it's difficult to find older tech posts though, when they are into somebody's build thread. Maybe we should open a new topic for the rearview mirrors. It seems that many owners find it difficult to place them, but obviously there are as many different solutions as 57 Fords... :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-04 06:57
G, sometimes my old eyes overlook the obvious but I didn't see any provision for safety chains on your hitch set up?
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ford Blue blood on 2017-05-04 07:46
Quote from: lalessi1 on 2017-05-03 20:36
South Lousiana must be a third world country! You should see what a trailer hitch is here... :003:

and a tow bar....(long chain and a piece of pipe)
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: gasman826 on 2017-05-04 14:02
The pipe is an optional safety feature.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-04 16:41
haha... poor Lynn....

Quote from: hiball3985 on 2017-05-04 06:57
G, sometimes my old eyes overlook the obvious but I didn't see any provision for safety chains on your hitch set up?
Jim, safety chain provisions are not mandatory in Europe. European trailers have a brake wire loop, that simply goes over the hitch. In case it gets lost the wire activates the trailer brakes. still a good idea to use safety chains, even if they are not mandatory. If you look at my hitch from below you see a 1/2" round stock bar welded to it, would be a good place to fasten safety chains.

Concerning my carb Jim, I found out the carb on the car is a later rebuilt unit and not the 57. The 57 Holley would not have the adjustable float needle and fuel level plug. That's why the manual didn't say anything about it.
I did adjust it today, as it was low, but it is difficult. as soon as I set it to the lower plug hole level, the float hits top of the fuel bowl and not closing the valve completely, and fuel comes out of all the vents. No way to keep the engine running. I set it lower again and I will have to pull the fuel bowl, float and whatnot as I think incorrect parts have been used to assemble this carb. maybe the float arm is bent or whatever. Engine is still running nicely with lower fuel bowl level, but I want it factory specs.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-04 17:13
NOS idler arm kit I got from John Gambill. FoMoCo. perfect fit.
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Time for another oil change and the rocker assemblies are much cleaner than last time !
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back home from another 20 miles test run.
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-04 18:04
G, that interesting about chains aren't required. They are mandatory here in Calif even if you have an electrical breakaway.
I just assumed you knew that wasn't an original carb or they put a different bowl on it. God only knows what combination of parts someone put together..  Did you get the number off the air horn to see what it might be?
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-05 02:09
yes I need to study the air horn numbers. I will need to order a rebuild/gasket kit before pulling the bowl.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-05 06:51
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-05 02:09
yes I need to study the air horn numbers. I will need to order a rebuild/gasket kit before pulling the bowl.
Whats nice about the new gaskets are they are reusable, and don't have leaks like the old style, I've had my bowl off a few times now to change jetting.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-05 08:44
The PO put a rebuild kit in the carb, but I have no way of knowing if they are the reusable type of gaskets. I will order that type.
for now it runs and idles so much better than in the beginning, so it's ok for the moment. emission test showed 2.9%CO and 150 HC, which is phenomenal for such an old engine. The fiddling with carb and ignition really paid off today. Also the whole car passed the 1 hour tech inspection today without any problems, only complaint being a dime sized hole in the battery tray........do I have to say more about European bureaucracy ?:003:
Now that the 57 has a tech check OK, we need to wait for an appointment with a federal officer and their inspector to get car papers and a registration permit. After that I can register it, and my wallet will be empty....hahaha.....
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-05 09:03
BTW Jim, I observed that there probably is a foam float in the carb, what should originally be a hollow brass float. It seems the float touches the ceiling in the bowl, before it can fully close the needle valve when fuel level is adjusted to lower edge of inspection hole, that's why the engine soaks with gas at that fuel bowl level (needle valve will not fully shut off fuel supply). I did back it off a little and it's all good. I wouldn't be surprised if the aftermarket float would be off in shape somewhat and rendering the carb non functional at proper adjustment. Today's repro stuff mostly is crap. Again, whatever NOS or NORS parts I used in this build would be a 100% bolt on fit and not a single aftermarket item that didn't need fiddling.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: lalessi1 on 2017-05-05 10:15
Foam floats will become saturated over time and they will actually sink after a time.

Guenter that photo of the wagon after the test run expresses our love for the cars better than anything I have seen or read. It is art at its best...
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-05 11:15
Congratulations of getting it passed inspection. If we inspections like that half the cars would be off the road  :003:

I've had good luck with the none brass floats, don't know what the material is. The brass floats don't last, the Ethanol eats up the solder were the two halves are connected. I don't know if Holley has different shaped floats available?

looks like a few to chose from. They have used the wrong one, internal adjustment vs external ?
www.holley.com/products/fuel_systems/carburetor_components/floats_fuel_bowls_and_components/floats/
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-05 12:56
thanx a lot Jim, I wouldn't even have thought that Holley had these in their own online shop. you are definitely very knowledgable and experienced with these carbs!
I will study these floats and see what's the right one for my application. I am pretty sure there will be an odd float problem inside the bowl as with the plugged vent.
Jay possibly has a core or project carb that might be a good donor.
Lynn, I am not sure if that photo is art, But I think it captures what most of us car guys can refer to. Taking the recently finished project out for its first longer drive, having accomplished and repaired a lot and returning home with a feeling that says 'Now we are ready to hit the road'. I confess that this is the time when you sit in the lawn chair and open up a beer :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-05 16:34
this is a little safety item. Since original vintage fire extinguishers might be useless in a worst case I opted to dress up a new one. (kept the actual date and production code sticker on the rear). The universal repro sticker is available from a company from England and looks somewhat period correct. Now it looks ok and can easily be reached, and it's not cutting in pssgr legroom at all. sure hope it won't be needed, but worst case it's there and can be reached in a second.( it's not even necessarily the own car and life we need to save).
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-05-05 18:39
Excellent! Looks good, and like you said...quick and easy access!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: gasman826 on 2017-05-05 20:28
I lean a little to overkill.  Once innocence are lost, you can get it back.  I lost a barn to fire and had my house broken into, looted, and vandalized.  Every exterior door (and then some) has a fire extinguisher hanging next to it.  All vehicles have a fire extinguisher in it.  I have seen too many small highway fires turn into total losses due to no extinguisher.  I know this sounds gruesome but the extinguisher should be within reach of the driver with seat belts on.  If the driver was pinned in a burning car, the extinguisher would not be accessible to the driver.  A sanctioning body required the moving of the extinguisher for this reason.  Still much better to have one on-board in a less desirable location than none at all.  You also have it properly fastened down rather than stuffed under the front seat.  Nice retro.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-05-05 21:07
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-05 12:56
Jay possibly has a core or project carb that might be a good donor.
Lynn, I am not sure if that photo is art, But I think it captures what most of us car guys can refer to. Taking the recently finished project out for its first longer drive, having accomplished and repaired a lot and returning home with a feeling that says 'Now we are ready to hit the road'. I confess that this is the time when you sit in the lawn chair and open up a beer :003:

Günter
     I sent you a bunch of pictures of the carburetor that I found in my stuff. All the email came back  back stating undeliverable..  It  is a rebuilt and the box states 57-59 Ford.  The lever that blocks of and opens the float bowl vent hole is on it also.  Let me know if you get them after you free up some space.   Jay
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-05-05 21:50
The fire extinguisher looks great, and I like your location of it......may steal the idea for mine.
Congrats on the inspection, and yes, the bureaucracy would be tough to deal with. When I registered mine, I went down and paid about a hundred if I remember showed proof of insurance and my car was set for 5 years. Nobody even looked at it.

Now I'm anxious to see pics of your wagon out in your countryside!!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: John Palmer on 2017-05-05 23:21
I have not had any problems with the (plastic?) black floats.  They have been around for a long time.  Todays new ethanol fuel is very hard on fuel system parts.

The old original style cork Holley float bowel gaskets always worked well for me.  I have never had a problem re-using them after jet changes.  Here's one little trick that will save someone some hassle.  This can be easily done with the carb still installed on the motor.  You need to drain the gas from the float bowel first.  Loosen and remove either one of the "bottom" long screws that attach the float bowel to the carb body.  Use a small metal "juice can" to catch the gas, trust me on this, don't use your empty Styrofoam coffee cup, it does not like gas!

SAVE, and use the gas that you just removed, to soak the float bowel gaskets after you remove them, you DO NOT want them to dry out because they will shrink up, and the screw holes will not align.  As long as they are wet with gas, they will stay the correct size, making it easy to reassemble.

Sometimes, when you rebuild a Holley, you will get a very old rebuild gasket kit with the cork gaskets dried up and YES shrunken!  Just lay them on a clean flat metal surface like a welding table, then take a large ball peen hammer and "tap" the gaskets with the heavy flat end of the hammer.  If you hit it squarely, and work around the gasket you will stretch the cork back out just like working a metal fender dent with a hammer and dolly.

It was common for Holley's to have warped body's.  It was likely from heat cycles and over tightening by previous mechanics.  In any case, check all three of the flat surfaces on the main body every time it apart.  The front, the rear, and the bottom.  If the front of the body is distorted, it makes the accelerator circuit leak.  Just check them with a flat edge ruler.  You can easily true them up with a large flat body file if warped.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-05-06 02:25
John
    That's a slick trick with the carburetor gaskets.   I like it when I learn something new.
Jay
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-06 03:03
Gary, your words need to be heard by everybody! Quality fire extinguishers are fairly reasonable and there is no reason for NOT having them around, we probably all have seen cars stranded to the highway side with smoke coming out under dash or engine compartment. It could happen to everybody. I'll take your comment about the location in consideration, keep in mind that the CS doesn't have seat belts at the moment. On my VW beach buggy which had sport seats and full safety belt harness, I had the fire extinguisher mounted on the chassis tunnel so it could be reached from each seat. I had been thinking too long about where to find them in each other car. Is it in the trunk, under the seat, do I have to exit the car to get it? I will try putting them in pretty much the same location in my cars. obviously driveshaft tunnel under dash would be best to reach.

@Jay, yes I got the pics of the Holley 2bbl and I can't believe that you have the correct carb lying on your shelf while we have been busy discussing my messed up replacement thingy for days here..... :002: :003:.....hahaha....looking forward to that !

@Rich, it will still take a few weeks until I get it all sorted with the federal inspection, insurance and finally the registration. it is rather a complex system over here. But I will get the wagon out in places and get some pics like you did . roadside pics are the best!

@John....what a wealth of info ! I have been working on carbs from my motorscooter days on for 25 years but like Jim said recently,everyday we learn something new. I get the feeling that those 2bbl Holleys are nice and simple carbs to work on. They have been used for 30 years obviously.
There are several floats available for different versions of the 2300 so chances are high, somebody used the wrong one on my actual carb.
The engine is running nicely now, but I feel that yet a slightly higher fuel bowl level would enrich the idle mixture and increase steadiness in idle, when braking to a halt in Drive, so I could set the idle rpms even a little lower. we are talking 100-200rpms maybe. the dashpod on my carb is in good working order and properly adjusted.
I have ordered the reusable 'quickfuel' type of gasket kit, so when that arrives I will pull the fuel bowl and see what's in there.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: John Palmer on 2017-05-06 13:21
Guenter, Sorry I'm not a photo type guy, but maybe someone has a photo to share. 

To cure the stall problem when you quickly lift the throttle while "still in gear" requires a DASH POT be installed, it's just a motion dampener.  It was a common part on all the 1960's Ford Autolite, and Ford Holley carbs.  Both two and four barrels used it, so I'm sure you can find one off of a donor carb.  It look alot like a distributor vacuum advance can, but has a 5/16" threaded bolt on one end.  It just slows the throttle arm return back to the full closed throttle stop.  It's adjustable, with just a 1/2" wrench.

I did tune up work in the 1960's, at a Ford dealership in Arizona.  It's a very warm desert area and almost all the cars were equipped with A/C and adjusting the (both Cold and Hot) idle RPM, and the Dash Pot movement was important to prevent engine stalling.

Hammering the cork gaskets also works on valve covers, and pan gaskets that require just a little reshaping.  Always make sure the pan and valve cover mounting holes are "hammered back to flat" when replacing gaskets.  They are usually deformed from "previous" overtightening.

Note, Hiball has one pictured in his Holley photo on reply #350.  They work well, sometimes require a little adjusting.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-06 15:56
John, no wonder that you have sound experience with those carbs. thanx for sharing, the hammering trick is really cool !

I think you missed one of my lines in the last post when I was saying:

Quotethe dashpod on my carb is in good working order and properly adjusted.

It was one of the first things I checked and and did readjust several times, as the idle set screw came further out each time an improvement was made on the ignition,carb and valvetrain. I didn't think that so many things could be wrong on the engine and still running that well ( it drove more than 1000 miles all the way from England !).
I am getting the idle lower each day. just took it out for a 1 hour low rpm 20mph Cruising around the neighborhood and the stalling problem is long gone. Unfortunately words can not describe how cool it is to be just rolling around on a mild spring evening, But I think you all know what I mean... :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: John Palmer on 2017-05-06 16:28
Sorry, I missed it, but I'm OLD! LOL

Make sure you check the valve adjustments.  I'm sure you did already, but a little loose and a little noise, is better than too tight.  If it's adjusted too tight, it will not run smoothly (as in stalling) when it's hot.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-06 16:45
Indeed John, 5 or 6 valves were on the tight side ( rather 0.015 or less instead of 0.020 hot) 3 valves were about 0.25 and they made a heck of a noise sounding like a worn rod bearing. none of that! I did adjust the valves as good as possible (partly worn rocker shafts) to 0.020 and with the fresh zinc containing HD oil that rough beater has become a sewing machine in 3 days or so! Literally dozens of little adjustments and improvements have been made all over the engine and it was very well worth the time and money spent! Again it goes to show that 5% extra time spent in the build for details will make 50% of the driving fun.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Limey57 on 2017-05-06 16:51
Excellent progress, I've been busy for a few weeks & only just catching up on here!  The hitch looks good, how have you wired it for the separate Euro turn signals/brake lights?  I ran my brake lights from the brake light switch & turn signals from the turn signal switch, all run through their own fuse box.  I also used the 13 pin socket rather than the 7 pin as that's what our travel trailer (caravan) and my other trailer have.  I had my own hitch fabricated from 2" box section (1/4" wall thickness) that bolts to the chassis using 4 x 1/2" bolts and 1 x 5/8" bolt in the middle through the rear crossmember.  The only problem I had was finding a US style ball at 50mm diameter that also had a high rating and the right 1" (M24) shank.

I went for the removable "class 3 & above" style, the only thing I don't like is the rattle between the two, I miht use shims to take up he slack.

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-06 17:35
Gary your hitch looks rock solid ! love the little reinforcement brackets that you put in the corners. well thought out !
I opted for the 7 pin socket for its vintage looks and we can get adapters for 13 pin connectors ( of course only 7 pins would be hot but the CS doesn't have any gadgets like back up lamps, fog lamps and the like). your travel trailer requires all the lights it can get.
I plan to only pull smaller campers or twin axle car trailer.
I did wire the turn signal over the og front turn signal switch circuits and used an electronic flasher relais. Since I have LED turn signals in the taillights, the relais will easily cope with the additional trailer bulbs. I pulled new wires for the stop lights.

Today repaired a leaking heater core valve, which was rusted out in places. had to make one out of two as the replacement valve had a leaking vacc diaphragm. I did pressure test the assembly to 25psi in a water tank. all fine now.
The heater core is og to the car ( date stamped March 6th 1957) pretty much matching the CS's build date. In comparison to the aftermarket heater core ( bought for the Del Rio) it looks a lot better and seems to have more heating capacity.
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-07 07:06
Not quite sure why you spliced the valve parts together, maybe I'm not awake yet  :003: I wanted to use the valve that is none vacuum and only mechanical, had a hard time finding one but Jay had one and was kind enough to send it to me.

I used an after market core like yours and it puts out plenty of heat but I'm using a 180 thermostat.

Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: gasman826 on 2017-05-07 07:47
x2 on the pressure test.  Rig up some kind of pressure and test it in the sink.  Too many potential leaks to hope for the best.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: John Palmer on 2017-05-07 12:38
Quote from: Limey57 on 2017-05-06 16:51

I went for the removable "class 3 & above" style, the only thing I don't like is the rattle between the two, I miht use shims to take up he slack.

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Let me see if I can put this into words?

Here's what I do on my receiver hitches, because I also hate the "clunking noise" you refer to as a "rattle".

I weld a 7/16" by 20 thread grade 8 nut on the corner edge of the receiver tube.  It helps to grind a little seat area into the tube for the nut to sit on while your welding.  Don't drill the hole in the tube until after your done with the welding.  Then drill out the hole size for the proper 7/16 x 20 tap.  I use a 7/16" Allen Head bolt, as a set screw.  By placing the set screw and nut on the corner of the tubing it will push the tow bar into the corner of the receiver tube and eliminates any movement/rattling/noise.

It's all modified "in front" of the safety pin, and the further you can position it away/forward (space permitting) from the pin, the better angle you have, and the better it works.  It's easier to do the modification when the hitch is on the work bench, upside down.

Another problem we have towing small vintage camper trailer's in the US, is the 1940's and 1950's trailers were built with very short tongues.  It's easy to jack knife the trailer when backing up, denting the front of the trailer.  The quick fix is to use a longer tow bar.  Etrailer.com has a 16" long receiver tow bar.  With the modification I outlined above, this longer tow bar "will not rattle".  The extra receiver extensions are not very good "IMO", because you end up with two moving points.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: thomasso on 2017-05-07 12:58
I have a number of nos heater vacuum valves and control valves that I've accumulated over the years.  All brands are identical be they Dole, Robertshaw or Ford so I'm sure they were all supplied by the same mfg.  gaskets for the core valve are hard to come by.  However silicone seems to work just fine.   All have been tested and are fine.  Boxes are junk. Will sell for 45 bucks ea plus shipping.  I started collecting them after having to pay $100 from a vender. Thanks.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-07 16:57
Thanx, but for now this will do. I will get back to your offer in case.
@Jim, I had to splice the 2 together, because one had a working vaccuum diaphragm but rusted out water neck and the other had a leaking diaphragm, but a mint waterneck. When things need done, they need done. Sunday called for cruising... :003:

There you go Rich. this is 10 minutes from my place, just up the hill. they are growing grapes on the hills ( most possibly since Roman times).
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-05-07 17:47
Your CS looks right at home there on that estate! SWEET!!!   :hello2:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: lalessi1 on 2017-05-07 19:48
My car had the capillary style one piece non-vacuum style valve that was suspect. I replaced it with a repop two piece style vacuum type, it leaked at the diaphragm. I bought a rebuilt one like the original one and pressure tested the assembly, all was well.

I rigged a pressure test by connecting the assembly to a water spigot with a gauge and a bypass valve.

Unfortunately after installation my thermostat stuck, prassurised the system and apparently blew a gasket, my heater is    disconnected again.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-08 02:01
Oh my.....I hear you Lynn. Jay made a very simple and clever solution with routing out the cable to a simple mechanical heater valve directly on the engine. The original design, if a bit complicated, works great though with effortless hot-cold at the control panel. it has a somewhat thermostatic self temperature adjusting built in as well. But they do leak now and then.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-09 04:28
after that last test drive, I observed a very slight squeaking noise starting and it was coming from the valve cover.....you all guessed it. oil starvation on the top ends. Possibly old sludge came loose somewhere and got trapped in a passage. Now that I am using thicker oil, it wouldn't pass sufficiently. I pulled, cleaned and reassembled the rocker assemblies yesterday, but to be on the safe side I put on a top oiler kit for now, even if this is a make do method. Engine is running nicely so I don't want to tear it down for cleaning and a full overhaul at this time. I am glad that I pulled the valve covers again though to check what was just the earliest beginnings of a future mess. oil flow now is nice. Sorry no pics of final installation as I wasn't motivated anymore to take some at 2.30 am... :002:
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-09 07:17
Thats the old solution/band aid that people used for years, glad it's working for you. A majority of the time the blockage is in the dog leg passage of the cylinder head. 
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-05-09 09:28
Aside from removing the head ,   I'm curious if someone ever came up with a workable method of clearining up that dog leg blockage.
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-09 17:53
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2017-05-09 09:28
Aside from removing the head ,   I'm curious if someone ever came up with a workable method of clearining up that dog leg blockage.
Jay, I had luck one time many many years ago. Removed the rocker assemblies and kept pouring MEK down the oil passage and letting it soak, every few hours I would spin the oil pump drive with the distributor removed and it slowly started breaking loose spitting out junks of crap. It was a slow process that took a couple of days.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-09 18:01
Jim, that sounds like a good method and might be a good solution for my engine, as the passages were never fully blocked. What do you mean by MEK ?
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-09 18:21
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-09 18:01
Jim, that sounds like a good method and might be a good solution for my engine, as the passages were never fully blocked. What do you mean by MEK ?
MEK= Methyl Ethyl Keytone. I tried originally with Acetone but it evaporates to fast. I used MEK for everything from cleaning parts to paint thinner  :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-09 18:49
sounds like the thing to use. been using alcohol based paint stripper with great results. should have thought about that before. Have liquid alcohol paint stripper that I use for small parts. anyways, probably only a complete teardown and reworking the oil passages would give 100% top end lubrication.
here are some videos of the oil stream @idle with oiler kit

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love to see that stream of fresh oil up there
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-09 19:00
G, the overhead oilers will work fine, they just look a little silly :002: I remember seeing many old Y blocks using them. The problems were normally caused by a lack of maintenance, a lot of people didn't change oil and filter regularly. And we had crap oil back then like Quaker Sludge :003: 
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-09 19:16
Jim, I cleaned about 2 quarts worth of Quaker sludge paraffin out of the rocker shafts.... :003:
The good thing for me is that I wasn't there in the 60's when people were just tryin to keep their 10 year old jalopy alive. To me the top oiler kit looks cool ( and a clever, cheap design), but I understand what you mean. young gearheads would have laughed about a granny driving that old beater with the plumbing on top... :002: I'll get over it..... :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-09 19:32
I remember scraping sludge on many engines, in the heads, valve train and in the valleys and wasn't just Fords.. I never minded the old ladies with the oil kits, it was from the negative comments from the GM guys, I still hear about it today when I mention Y blocks  :angry5:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-09 19:49
if it wasn't for the sludge, the Y block is as bullet proof as they come. The rocker assemblies were built to last for decades on proper lubrication. It's incredible how long they last even without lubrication.
either you love'm or hate'm. I sure love Y blocks. That sound is music in my ears. same firing order as a Flathead Ford. What's not to love about them....
When (Chevy) people call those old Fords slouches, they never learned how to shift that old Fordomatic or maintain them to peak performance.
My old wagon is just a 60 year old beater with a 292 and 2bbl but it sure spins the tires on take off and when shifting into second, if need be. I am totally surprised about the power, torque and sounds this old engine delivers. At the same time it cruises easily at 20mph or less. That's what I like best.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Contibob on 2017-05-09 22:47
Guenter, I am with you, I love my Y-Blocks. I have never had any problems with them. The power is more than enough for me and the sound is amazing. The old beater 4dr Fairlane 500 I have cruises down the highway at 70, 75 mph and gets 18 mpg on the highway. 312, 4bl, Fordomatic.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-05-10 01:25
Once you get the oil passages cleaned out well...a way to keep them that way is to add a quart of Rislone to your oil about 2-3 days before you change it. Rislone is a really high detergent oil additive. Great for keeping an engine clean. I used to drive 50k a year on my little 2300 4-cylinder.
Those engines in their early rendition had a inclination to plug up the rear oil passage at the top of the head where the cam is oiled. Using the Rislone religiously allowed me to get 150-200k out of those engines. A head rebuild and back on the road. Machinist I used was the one who told me about it. I still. do that on my cars today. My wife's '98 Explorer just rolled over 300k this weekend...and still runs like new.
Also...in addition to the sludge Quaker State, Pennzoil is a paraffin sludge maker. Both come from oil fields with a lot of natural wax in them. (i used to work in the oil fields in my misspent youth.  LOL!!!)
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-10 04:22
detergent oil seems very appropriate even for our old engines. Jay emphasizes on using it as well.
The problem starts when they wash out chunks of coal and sludge on an old neglected engine like mine. There were great results on major areas on this actual engine, but there is no way they will clean out the sludge trapped in those small passages and oil feeds.
I wanted to spare you this view, but there you go. nuff said... :002:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-05-10 04:32
Good thing I already had dinner! LOL!!! I was thinking of that treatment more for when you got everything all cleaned out...to maintain things in pristine condition. Although, consistent use over time will help as well in cleaning it out. Rislone is more detergent than oil. It REALLY clean things out. You wouldn't want to use more than the one quart.
I once knew a guy who once put 5 quarts in his engine thinking it would be perfect for keeping things clean as new. Eh...not a good idea. In short order he had no bearings left. Not enough oil base for that sort of thing. Which is why I said to only use the one quart and only for a couple of days before changing your oil. Kind of like Roto-Rooter for the engine! Hehehehe.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-10 04:45
good tip, Hugh. I will look for Rislone. sometimes less is more they say... :003:
the 292 will get a full overhaul some time later, possibly one of next winters. That'll be the only way to get out all of the old dirt.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-05-10 05:07
I like those old "Y" blocks. One of these days I want to build a car with one. The Courier will be receiving an FE-390 w/ 406 tri-power, topped with 428 heads and feeding 428 exhaust manifolds. The heads will be dressed with a pair of Cobra valve covers from around 62 or so that I have been hauling around behind me since '71. Oh so sweet!  :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-10 08:48
Just love the Y's and always have, I've had several over the years but they have all been 292 and I have never have owned a 312. I've built a dozen over the years for myself and friends. I'm in the process of building one right now. I have no use for it yet, just a little side project to tinker with just because I can and can't stay away from them  :burnout:.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-05-10 11:26
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2017-05-10 08:48
Just love the Y's and always have, I've had several over the years but they have all been 292 and I have never have owned a 312. I've built a dozen over the years for myself and friends. I'm in the process of building one right now. I have no use for it yet, just a little side project to tinker with just because I can and can't stay away from them  :burnout:.

Its an addiction! LOL!!!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: terry_208 on 2017-05-10 11:36
Quote from: mustang6984 on 2017-05-10 01:25
Once you get the oil passages cleaned out well...a way to keep them that way is to add a quart of Rislone to your oil about 2-3 days before you change it. Rislone is a really high detergent oil additive. Great for keeping an engine clean. I used to drive 50k a year on my little 2300 4-cylinder.
Those engines in their early rendition had a inclination to plug up the rear oil passage at the top of the head where the cam is oiled. Using the Rislone religiously allowed me to get 150-200k out of those engines. A head rebuild and back on the road. Machinist I used was the one who told me about it. I still. do that on my cars today. My wife's '98 Explorer just rolled over 300k this weekend...and still runs like new.
Also...in addition to the sludge Quaker State, Pennzoil is a paraffin sludge maker. Both come from oil fields with a lot of natural wax in them. (i used to work in the oil fields in my misspent youth.  LOL!!!)

I've run mostly Pennzoil for 40 + years.  I've never lost a bearing but religiously changed my oil.  I did cheat and poured two quarts of diesel through the crankcase at each oil change to remove the sludge.  I know I've been lucky as I seem to get the most out of each engine.  Many people even thought I ran a V-8 in my Pinto. I know there were/are better oils out there but it worked for me.  I now use whatever the dealer adds at the oil changes.   

I also had a misspent youth, where in I worked in a body shop.  One day the owner had me drain the oil from his 63 Impala and add a gallon of lacquer thinner and instructed me to start it.  I refused so he started it and let idle for about 1/2 hour, that's when I told him he had a rod knocking.  He had a different car the next morning!  I laugh about that every time I think of it   
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-05-10 11:54
Lacquer thinner? OOOOOOOooooooooooooooookay....wonder what that train of thought was? LOL!!!

I bought a car that had been used as a race car. The guy swore by Pennzoil...I tore the motor down...and sludge was more dominate that oil. Same with each engine I ever tore down that had run that stuff. When I went to the oil field, I got an education. LOL!!! No more for me. Although I am sure your habits probably alleviated much of that potential problem.

Lacquer thinner eh? LOL!!! He must have had some serious hate for that car!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-10 15:07
We could start a whole new post on home remedies  :003: Back in the 50's with all the sludge oils hydraulic lifter problems were common. We use to add a quart of ATF to the oil and drive it a few hundred miles and some times it actually worked to free them up.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-05-10 21:19
Jim
    I like that idea.  That's  the method I'll use the next time I have a Y  with dry rockers.   It never dawned on me to soften  the blockage and use the oil pressure to blow it out.     
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-11 06:41
Guys, here's a good-morning riddle for you. The first one to name the problem gets a forum applaud for free :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-11 07:44
I haven't worked on a Holley 2V in 40+ years so I can only take a wild guess. I'm thinking they used the internal adjustable float in the external adjustable bowl? Or is this regarding another issue?
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-11 08:24
Sorry Jim, your applaud will have to wait :001: second guess ?
If you have reading glasses you might want to wear them. a very small detail.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-11 08:46
When I first looked I thought the pivot pin was missing, but I just assumed it was the angle of the photo. I'll try to find my glasses  :003:

Edit: it also looks like the gasket is backwards, normally the elongated hole is for the pump discharge but yours appears to have a round hole so I'm confused.

It also looks like the float could go high enough to block the vent hole?

How many wrong guess do we get before being escorted to the exit?  :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-05-11 10:59
Günter
    My excuse is that I can't see it that well even though I blew up the picture.  However I have two questions.
      Is the float  pivot pin missing?
      Why is there a spring under the float?   I always thought that the fuel lifted the float . 

     Maybe I'll just tear into that spare Holley that I have and take a look.  I know that you wouldn't  mind my opening up  that spare rebuilt  carburetor and losing pieces before it gets shipped.   You can just put it back together when it arrives.  (Ich mache Spass)  Just kidding.  You need to send me a word with a sharp (S) so I can save it for future use.  My computer does not have the German keyboard attachment.       
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: John Palmer on 2017-05-11 13:31
The float spring is correct, it dampens the bouncing movement on rough surface use, like dirt roads.

The accelerator hole in the gasket is correct to pass fuel from the pump to the carb body for discharge.

I do not see the float pivot pin and the retaining "E" clip on the pivot that holds the float on.  Maybe like other's have said, it might be just our old eyes?

That's my guess.

John
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-11 15:28
to the 3 Js, John, Jay and Jim! John got his applaud first because he was spot on, but there go applauds for the rest as you all adressed the problem. the (seemingly) missing float pivot pin. It's there , but somebody didn't think the E shaped lock clip was necessary (In German we call this a 'Benzing' washer, referring to their original designer) . of course the float slipped off the pin at one side and that's the original reason for the car stalling at braking, low fuel level, float hitting the top and sometimes flooding of carb.
Glad I got my carb rebuild kit today so I could finally pull the fuel bowl. another 1/4"size part that made the whole car stumble.
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-11 16:52
That should help 100%. A word of caution, one time fumble finger me went to reinstall the site plug and I dropped it and it ended up under the manifold and on top of the valley cover were I couldn't see it and spent an hour fishing it out  :005: so now I place a rag under the bowl area before I remove/install.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-11 17:00
oooh, a bad place to put one's spare parts...haha... I bet there is quite some things to find down there, when you pull any given Y block manifold.
Now I can get the fuel level adjusted to inspection plug level, and it's steady now. I feel the engine runs just that little bit smoother again with the slightly higher fuel level. now the difference between idle in N and Dr is just barely there. no more clunks and it idles well without stalling in gear.
Feels like it's pretty much shy of 500 factory rpms now. WOW ! love it! I have learned A LOT over the past 2 weeks !

I received this from Tom S. the other day. I had been looking some time for one of those dealership 'llitterbug' litterbags when Tom made this generous offer to send his remaining 57 collection stuff out for postage cost. A great addition to my 57 Ford collection - Thanx alot!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-11 17:10
Needed a safety belt for my boy ( mandatory for kids under 12) and while I was at it I added 3 sets to the rear seat. We want to show the kids what it's like to cruise in a 57, right ? :002:
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this is what the final top oiler kit installation looks like
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-05-12 00:44
Günter
    I like those seat belts.  Where did they come from?  JA
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-12 02:20
Came out of my Del Rio, which had a brown interior as well. That's actually the Del Rio rear seat, while the og CS seat is waiting to get reupholstered next winter. I need to order correct fabric from SMS for that.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-05-12 05:14
Günter
    It's convenient that the DR interior is the same color as the CS.   You might as well make use of those parts that would just be just sitting around especially when they look that nice .  JA
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-12 07:20
It sure is coming along nicely. You get more done in two weeks then I get done in two months. Nice to have the seat belts, not many people were willing to pay for that option in 57.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-05-12 09:11
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2017-05-12 07:20
You get more done in two weeks then I get done in two months.
Jim
     That's because Günter is still a youngster.  Remember years ago when we used to get a lot of work done in one day?   These days I spend more time looking for the 1/2 inch wrench that I had in my hands two minutes ago and didn't even leave the spot where I was working.   
         Günter.... Continue to get as much done now while you can. You do real good work.   Jay
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: terry_208 on 2017-05-12 09:19
I didn't realize seatbelts were an option in 57!  I've seen them advertised for the 57 but thought they were aftermarket and not potentially a reproduction.  Nice to know!

While working in the garage I lost a wrench and looked for it for 3 hours.  I couldn't find it so asked my daughter for help.  While I was describing it to her she asked, "Is that it in your hand?"  :burnout:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: lalessi1 on 2017-05-12 10:00
I thought I was the only one who spent more time looking for stuff than actually doing stuff.

Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-12 16:53
The seatbelts are more recent aftermarket, not oem Ford accessories.

Guys, I spent many a 12 hours day with the CS lately and confessing I took much more time off regular work than I'd like to admit.(I do make records of the working hours and there are slightly over 500hrs in the CS starting in November last year :confused2: :notallthere:).
Since all the welding worked out so well in winter, I decided a few weeks ago that I quickly wanted to take the wagon to a level where it could be left alone for quite some time afterwards and making it a reliable and somewhat decent driver. It would have been embarassing to have another project car spread in parts all over the place. Since this car is going to stay with me for hopefully a looooong time there will be many occasions for smaller rolling restoration projects and bigger overhauling projects in future winter seasons.
For now the last major thing to be checked off the list was replacing the warped and frayed beyond repair pssgr door panel.
The water damaged cardboard panels got cut out, but seams left intact, to keep the tension on the threads. replaced soft cardboard padding with fleece and glued it over ABS board. reusing the og clips. the used look fits the character of the car much better, has been there for 60 years and I wouldn't have been able to afford the correct SMS panels anyways.
It's back in the car.
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: suede57ford on 2017-05-12 17:29
Great job, Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-12 18:10
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2017-05-12 09:11
     Jim
     That's because Günter is still a youngster.  Remember years ago when we used to get a lot of work done in one day?   These days I spend more time looking for the 1/2 inch wrench that I had in my hands two minutes ago and didn't even leave the spot where I was working.   
         Günter.... Continue to get as much done now while you can. You do real good work.   Jay
Last week I walked across the garage to the tool box and forgot what I wanted when I got there  :003: I'm glad to see others have these problems too.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-12 18:13
Quote from: terry_208 on 2017-05-12 09:19
I didn't realize seatbelts were an option in 57!  I've seen them advertised for the 57 but thought they were aftermarket and not potentially a reproduction.  Nice to know!

While working in the garage I lost a wrench and looked for it for 3 hours.  I couldn't find it so asked my daughter for help.  While I was describing it to her she asked, "Is that it in your hand?"  :burnout:
I think the first seat belt option was 1955.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-05-12 23:05
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2017-05-12 18:10
Last week I walked across the garage to the tool box and forgot what I wanted when I got there  :003: I'm glad to see others have these problems too.

You FOUND your toolbox? There are days when that alone is an accomplishment!!!   :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-05-13 06:00
Terry
     Seat belts were an option in 57.  The floor brackets go for crazy money today if you can find them.

      FWIW  A couple days ago I was looking for the car keys and couldn't find them anywhere.  After retracing my steps and going back and forth into the house .   They were in my hand all the time.   
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-13 06:09
Jay, you should have simply thrown them on the floor and you would have literally stumbled across them....haha....
at age 43, last time I was looking for my 3/8 wrench, after ten minutes I found it in my hand, together with lots of other junk and screwdrivers.... :003: when you are even younger, todays teenager might not even know what a 3/8 wrench is, so, we are blessed with age...hahaha.....
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-13 07:44
G, I noticed in on of your pictures the ground strap from the engine to firewall looks like it is on it's last legs. Easy to replace now before you have future electrical problems. I know I should mind my own business but these things just catch my eye..
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ford Blue blood on 2017-05-13 08:50
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2017-05-13 06:00
FWIW  A couple days ago I was looking for the car keys and couldn't find them anywhere.  After retracing my steps and going back and forth into the house .   They were in my hand all the time.

I have eliminated that problem!  Stuff goes to the same place every time I get done using it.  I walk into the house the keys and gun go in the same place first thing.  While in the shop the watch, ring and keys go in the same spot.  In the shop tools go back to their place after use, yes extra steps but I no longer waste time "looking for stuff".  Now mind you it only took me ten years or so to figure this out!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-05-13 09:41
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2017-05-13 07:44
G, I know I should mind my own business but these things just catch my eye..

    Jim
     It's OK for you and me to pick on Günter a little.. .   He didn't give us an applaud and we were both on the right track.    FWIW   I have extra ground straps wherever I can find a spot to put them.  We never have too many of them.
Jay
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-13 10:31
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2017-05-13 07:44
G, I noticed in on of your pictures the ground strap from the engine to firewall looks like it is on it's last legs. Easy to replace now before you have future electrical problems. I know I should mind my own business but these things just catch my eye..

Jim, It looks much worse than it actually is. that is just the insulation coming off, the actual copper wire is still very solid. I should pull it and cover it with some new shrinking tubing
Jay, you and Jim got your applaud because you were on the right track. so now I got to find another riddle for tomorrow. I'll go out looking at the CS and I 'm sure there are still some good ones left in the car.... :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: terry_208 on 2017-05-13 12:54
Is insulation really necessary on a ground strap?  After all don't they simply connect one uninsulated piece to another uninsulated piece?
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-13 15:46
exactly my thought. the only wires that are close to the ground strap are temp and oil gauge and if they really got grounded the only thing that would happen would be an idiot light come on or full sweap on the temp gauge. I think the original insulation was rather for reinforcing reason and I have seen most ground straps are bare metal (cad plated copper) anyways.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-13 16:04
Jay and Jim, is that what you want to see on my car? :001:

I am sorry that this is not a factory correct part. It's obviously for a 1958 Mercury... :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-14 07:29
I have had ground straps that look fine but were actually corroded inside the terminal ends. I got one for my Mustang last month but the quality was so much better then the repop one on my 57 I put it on the 57. Not an exact replacement but for the quality difference it was worth it to me.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mustang-Engine-Ground-Strap-1964-1965-1966-1967-Alloy-Metal-Products/181576587363?_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D741c481143344d06baae62dedf59f55e%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D181576587363&_trkparms=pageci%253A2bff64c1-38a0-11e7-a8ec-74dbd180fa0e%257Cparentrq%253A06ea190415c0a86676b3f3aafffdcc33%257Ciid%253A1

I think the rubber insulation is only to protect it from moisture and corrosion. not to insulate it.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-14 07:45
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-13 16:04
Jay and Jim, is that what you want to see on my car? :001:

I am sorry that this is not a factory correct part. It's obviously for a 1958 Mercury... :003:
Are you sure G? I thought 55-56 was last time they used that style strap?
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-14 17:17
maybe I am totally wrong but I was going by the 8M number.
The one you go from the Mustang supplies really does look nice. you got your point about the insulation having anti corrosion purpose.
the one in the CS still looks decent and I will replace the insulation. A good time to check how good it really is when removing the screws.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-14 17:23
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-14 17:17
maybe I am totally wrong but I was going by the 8M number.
The one you go from the Mustang supplies really does look nice. you got your point about the insulation having anti corrosion purpose.
the one in the CS still looks decent and I will replace the insulation. A good time to check how good it really is when removing the screws.
It maybe 1948  :003: After 54 or 55 they used letter prefix like B= 50's, C=60's D=70's. I think they only went from the old bare/braided type to the cover insulated because they were cheaper.
Electrons are carried on the outside of the wire strands not the inside, thats why corroded wires don't carry juice very well..
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-15 03:21
Jim, do Merc parts also carry the B, C, D... lettering?
and can you please stop practicing your electrical hoodoo voodoo on the wagon ? :002:
today 7am I wanted to take my son to school, and voila...the Gen idiot light stayed on....so we had to take the 34 Ford...quite an unconvenient ride as well... :003: :002:
But it wasn't the ground strap. seems a sticky Gen brush, a little wiggleing and cleaning later the light came off and is since working again.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-15 04:35
Friday night car cruise. Either you know how to park your car or you know how to park your car..... :003:
(my friends Mustang and both bumpers are already used enough, just in case. Still managed to park the 57 with not even a thumb between the bumperettes, without ever touching the Stang)
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-05-15 04:42
When you got it...you got it! Flaunt it man!!!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-15 06:24
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-15 03:21
Jim, do Merc parts also carry the B, C, D... lettering?
and can you please stop practicing your electrical hoodoo voodoo on the wagon ? :002:
today 7am I wanted to take my son to school, and voila...the Gen idiot light stayed on....so we had to take the 34 Ford...quite an unconvenient ride as well... :003: :002:
But it wasn't the ground strap. seems a sticky Gen brush, a little wiggleing and cleaning later the light came off and is since working again.
OK I'll stop, but thats almost comical  :003:. I'm glad it was only a minor problem and an easy fix for you. I'm really not sure about Merc numbers but I assume they followed the same type of sequence as the Ford, Thunderbird and trucks.
Nice parking. On Saturday we took a little trip of 270 miles and when we stopped in a town to eat I had to parallel park the Ranchero, I think that was the first time I've done that in 10 years in any car.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-24 16:19
Took the Wagon on a 600 mile round trip to Bavaria in Germany last weekend. Friends of mine are having an invitational only car meet and BBQ. Everybody had a great time, but this year saw most all participants wrenching on their cars, mostly because they were all recently finished projects still getting the bugs worked out. Same goes for my 57 CS as it started overheating at sustained highway speeds. Obviously old sludge and scale got washed out and clogged the radiator. Lots of efforts have been put into cleaning the cooling system since but let's talk about that later. Frankly speaking I was quite fed up with the car at some point and I had to park it and never look back one evening. I guess most of you would understand that feeling. Anyways, the wagon got back and forth without any major damage done to the engine and now needs further detailing, troubleshooting and debugging :002:

In the Austrian Alps (mountains)

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At my friends place in Bavaria
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Well...... it's your choice... :002:
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Somebody caught me draining coolant again :003:
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-05-24 16:44
Ah...nice shot of the CS and the Nomad. Probably 2 of my favorites right there! Understand the cooling issues and that feeling...been down that road a time or two (or 10) myself!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-24 17:44
have been working on the cooling issues and made some improvements. Lots of cleaning, flushing aso.
Great results with simple citric acid ( which I left in the block for 2 days).
The crusty thermostat got removed, submerged in vinegar acid for 2 days and then boiled in citric acid in the tea water boiler. Who needs a cheap modern replacement when your old one is as good as new ?  :003:

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In between shot shows radiator core partly clogged with little chunks of scale and rust. has been removed since.
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intake is pretty clean and all metal now.
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-24 19:22
Going through the same issue now with my 66 mustang  :005: , new radiator is on the way.

Just a suggestion but even on my new rebuilds chunks of stuff will break loose, seems you can never get them completely flushed. I take a piece of cheese cloth and stuff it into the top radiator inlet opening so it makes like a filter and let it rap around the outside then slip the hose over it. Then after running the engine several times and checking it until it doesn't catch anymore pieces. You can never get 100% but it seem to help. Please no comments about me being a shade tree mechanic  :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-05-24 20:25
Jim
That's a good idea and there is nothing shade tree about it.
Günter
  I hope that you see this.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-25 03:45
Jim, just another great idea! what about using a mosquito net?
Those simple tricks are the best solutions. and I understand about the shade tree, because you wouldn't want to work out in the open under the hot California summer sun... :002: :003:
From when I took the pic with the debris in the radiator core I cleaned everything out again and the core is now bare metal inside. I can't stress enough what natural products like citric or vinegar acid can do for us with old crusty parts. They actually dissolve rust and lime and the 3 bags of citric acid used for this treatment cost about $4.50
I have the 160F thermostat back in the car and it works nicely. Now I have to adress the leaking water pump.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-25 07:49
I'm sure mosquito net would work fine, I've never seen it personally only on TV or movies. I just used the cheese cloth because it was easy to steal from the wifes cooking supplies  :003:

I've used vinegar before but not citric acid, not being a chemist I don't know what some reactions are on solder..
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-05-25 12:12
"citric acid"....HHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....how many lemons do you need to squeeze to get enough to do the job?  :laughing4:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-25 17:05
You could make some nice dozens of gallons of lemonade from it, as I used 1-1/2 pds. it is food supply. here in Europe we use it to make jam or bakery. it is natural crystallized citric acid and you can get it at every supermarket. Talking from my experience it doesn't harm solder or brass nor cast iron.
If any of you should doubt its effects, here's my decades old water pump after removal. except for a few rust spots left in the middle, it's all bare metal cast iron again ....wow !
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-25 17:16
I treat the engine to a lot of heat cycles while the acid is in there. Heat is the most important thing to make it happen.
Backside of all is that it dissolves lime and rust, even where it's useful. old scale seals the waterpumps, and acid bath makes them leak A LOT. the old water pump is gone for good. luckily I had a refurbished unit on the shelf, Unfortunately my 312 project engine hasn't a new waterpump left now... :005:
the freshly painted pump looks terrible on the old survivor. Trying to find a rebuild kit so I can seal my old pump and put it back to where it belongs. First test cruise the new water pump seems to be all good. temperature is down at least 15 to 20 degrees.

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-25 18:28
G, they are making new Y block pumps, Chinese like everything else, I have about 8000 miles on mine now with no problem.

Can we have your formula for the citric acid, how much crystal to how much water?

Did you catch any mosquitoes?
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-05-25 23:30
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-25 17:05
You could make some nice dozens of gallons of lemonade from it, as I used 1-1/2 pds. it is food supply. here in Europe we use it to make jam or bakery. it is natural crystallized citric acid and you can get it at every supermarket. Talking from my experience it doesn't harm solder or brass nor cast iron.
If any of you should doubt its effects, here's my decades old water pump after removal. except for a few rust spots left in the middle, it's all bare metal cast iron again ....wow !

Interesting...never would have thought about it. YOU are  WORLD of information sir!!! I will keep that in mind down the road.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-26 02:28
Jim, let's see how big the bugs caught in the net will be, once the net will be removed. come to think of it, now that is called debugging an engine.... :003:
I used 1-1/2 pds of crystal citric acid for the estimated 15 to 20 quarts of coolant. I mix and shake it in a seperate 1gallon can, so the crystal desolves nicely before putting it in the radiator. don't forget to open the heater and flushing 5 or 10 times afterwards is mandatory, with engine idling, hoses off and heater on. I leave the acid in the car for 2 days.
Most probably it only removed a small percentage of the heavy rust and scale inside the block and heads, but at least it worked some. engine seems to run cooler, but I have not highway tested it yet.
I am waiting for the NOS 2bbl carb to arrive from Mass and looking forward to see how well it will run with that one.
Generally speaking this summer will need to see a break from the 57 wagon, as too many other things have been pushed aside over the last months. I will take the CS to a few local cruises and car shows this season, but no further out of country trips for now. It still needs things adjusted and improved, which is totally ok with a 60 year old car getting back on the road after decades of neglect.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-26 06:08
Thanks G, I'll only be doing this as an experiment on the old radiator I removed from my Mustang so nothing lost to try. I have no issues with the 57.

As a side note: I'm sure you are tired of filling the cooling system and dealing with the air that gets trapped in the engine that turns to steam and has to belch out. If you remove the heater hose from the manifold first, then start filling the radiator until water comes out of that outlet it pushes about 90% of the air out. Then slip the hose back on while continue filling. I also did this to the Mustang yesterday after installing the new radiator. Then you only have a few small bubbles to work out and you don't get the volcano  :003: I apologize if I'm preaching to the choir again, us old guys just don't have anything better to do at times..
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-26 18:42
Jim, when you have filled the radiator with citric acid. I'd put it in a sunny place for several days, so it can really heat up. Heat is the key to success with acid.
I am not having problems with trapped air, as I don't top off the radiator at the first time. just enough to let the engine idle and add later on.
For the first time in weeks or months the 57 is simply parked without a to-do list for the next day. Phew....
Need a few days off or they'll have to send a psychiatrist... :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-05-26 19:22
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-26 18:42
Jim, when you have filled the radiator with citric acid. I'd put it in a sunny place for several days, so it can really heat up. Heat is the key to success with acid.
I am not having problems with trapped air, as I don't top off the radiator at the first time. just enough to let the engine idle and add later on.
For the first time in weeks or months the 57 is simply parked without a to-do list for the next day. Phew....
Need a few days off or they'll have to send a psychiatrist... :003:

Not sure the rest of us will be able to survive a summer without you posting "stuff" on this car. I have learned/gotten ideas from much of what you have done. Inspiration has been flowing due to your stuff sir!!!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-05-26 23:54
that last pic............now we know why your avatar pic is with sunglasses,lol.
Great stuff, good ideas, excellent posts. Thanks Gunther!!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-27 05:47
Quote from: mustang6984 on 2017-05-26 19:22
Not sure the rest of us will be able to survive a summer without you posting "stuff" on this car. I have learned/gotten ideas from much of what you have done. Inspiration has been flowing due to your stuff sir!!!

Thanx for your praise Hugh. much appreciated. really satisfied with how far the wagon has come and I won't be able to keep my hands off the 57 for much longer than a week anyways :002: :003:

Rich, a few days off the project will get my eyes straight again hopefully hahaha.....

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Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-27 07:57
Thanks for the advice G, I'll have to wait, it's actually cold here right now and I won't do it under my shade tree  :003:
You do know it never ends. I installed the new radiator/thermostat in my Mustang and took it for a test ride and she runs nice and cool now. At the end of the ride the brakes started pulling to the right, rear brake cylinder is leaking  :angry4: I remember when all this was so much fun, not so much anymore.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-05-29 01:37
There's always something wrong with an old project car, unless you start driving it daily. They just want to be driven and out in the wild  :002:
So we started the week right away with a 7 am Monday morning cruise, taking the boy to school.  :001:
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-06-12 15:25
So I wasn't supposed to work on the wagon during summer months right ?....well.... :003:

After doing some more cleaning and trying Jim's trick with a net in the radiator hose I drove the car for 20 highway miles and it was cool, but then started overheating very quickly. obviously dirt and debris clogged the net, but glad I got the dirt filtered from the coolant instead of clogging the radiator core. next time will use a larger piece of net.
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Another friend and good tip later found myself whacking out the freeze plugs, which one of them had developed a slight leak anyways.
No wonder dirt, rust and scale were trapped up to half of the rear freeze plugs. coat hanger, pressure washer, coat hanger, pressure washer...aso. what a dirty job! 6 hours and taking showers twice later it's looking good. I know that this will never clean out all of the sludge and debris from the lower corners, but at least it's something. Mabye 5 or 10 % more cooling capacity will help.
Further proof of how citric acid works, the cylinder walls are bare metal cast iron in the water pockets.
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another oil and filter change shows even more sludge and debris collected in the old filter.
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-06-12 15:51
UGH! That is some kind of grody! I pulled the freeze plugs on the 390 I am planning to put in my Courier...and it too was full of ugly in between the cylinders. Comes from people not taking care of their babies I guess!
Yours is looking better now. Soldier on sir!
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-06-12 16:13
I'm glad the bug catcher worked for you  :003: It doesn't take long for the netting to plug up, maybe a few shorter rides next time. I can just picture what you went through trying to clean the block out, YIKES  :005:

I tired the citric acid in my Mustang radiator for a few days but it probably didn't get hot enough just sitting in the sun. The tubes looked cleaner at the top tank but I took an old oil dip stick and pushed it down the few tubes I could get at and still hit some blockage further down the tubes nothing lost and I will mix up a new batch and try it again later this week when it warms up again.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-06-12 16:15
Hugh, I guess we have to go through all of that to fully appreciate our cars. too little or no anti freeze means no rust protection.
I will make sure to have enough anti freeze from now.... :002:

Jim your net trick worked just perfectly. I will proceed with that until no more debris coems out the block.

Interesting, while I had the starter off the engine, the casting number says 72 6  so the block was cast on February 6th 1957, which would quite nicely match my early March wagon. could be the og block or at least a very close match.

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Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-06-12 16:27
Looking at the picture it almost looks like the original steel shim type head gasket. Thats not always a good thing  :005:
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-06-12 16:47
I was thinking from the start that the engine could have been unopened and all original. lots of matching date codes and correct details down to heater hose fittings, bolts, paint aso. the car appears to have been a one owner surivor at least until Y2K ( previous owner born 1914) if not 2016 when it was shipped to England.

The engine seems to have good compression on all 8 and and there are no signs of oil/foam/sludge or bubbles in coolant nor oil. In my opinion there are no head gasket leaks. But what do I know..... :003:....probably next week or the week after will tell even much more about the engine.... :003:....there's something going on with the car every week.
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-06-12 17:13
Sounds like the head gaskets are still good. G, did you try running a piece of wire or anything down the radiator tube to be sure they are clear all the way through? See what I wrote in my modified post a few back.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-06-12 17:33
Jim, I just reread your post. I havent further cleaned the radiator core, since the radiator in the wagon now is the 4 row from my Del Rio, which ran cool enough even in AZ.
I know what you are pointing at, as with my first 57 I opened up both upper and lower radiator tanks and found most all of the core tubes clogged with scale somewhere down at the middle or lower. I did clean them out with a little blade and rod, much as you were saying using an old oil dip stick ( another great idea!).
I don't know if using citric acid will be satisfying in your spare radiator. As mentioned before, it works best with near boiling water and circulating. I bet one could build a great heating/circulating unit with a cheap little second hand solar panel and a little accessory ( drill) pump from home improvement store.
I guess the best way to restore a radiator still is using a new core. I love the date matching stamped brass tanks though and nothing looks better than a OEM radiator.
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-06-12 18:34
I agree, the original radiators look good. Mine has so many pin holes in the top tank I couldn't salvage it and went to the aluminum one. It's getting to a point here that radiator shops are few and far between. All the new cars are just throw-a-ways.
Sorry I didn't remember you were using the Del Rio radiator, I'm glad the crap from the engine didn't get into it.

Unfortunately back in the day people who didn't live in cold climates didn't spend money for anti-freeze and just ran straight water, I'm living proof  :003: We didn't even have enough sense to use distilled water. Even the first 57 I got in 1966 had a plugged radiator. Did radiator shops tell people to run anti freeze, of course not  :003:
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Post by: gasman826 on 2017-06-12 19:12
While in high school, I worked in a hardware store that sold two kinds of bulk antifreeze...alcohol and permanent.  Even in 1967 Michigan, every fall, vehicles were winterized.  Customers brought in their containers to be filled from 55 gallon drums.  Alcohol was cheap but evaporated so thermostats were below 180 and better at 160.  Alcohol had to added all winter and by late spring was gone.  Alcohol offered absolutely no corrosion protection.  Early permanent was marketed as its name sake...permanent.  So customers never changed it as long as the freeze protection registered safe.  About the only time permanent was changed was a water pump, hose or radiator failure which usually happened with regularity.  As hoses, water pumps, and radiators got better, permanent was never changed until the coolant turned to corrosive, rusty slime that ruined the water pump or freeze plugs.  More recently, manufacturers came up with the pink, never-change antifreeze that was good for 100,000 miles but wasn't.  Now there are test kits to confirm the corrosion protection of a vehicles coolant or just change it every 2-3 years.  Now, engine shops have a 'cooking' process to clean blocks, heads, and intakes of all rust, lime and corrosion to make rebuild as good as new.  Its the only way you really get it out.  The more one tries to clean the system the more likely the cleaner will eat through things you don't want ate...like head gaskets and freeze plugs.
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Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-06-12 19:32
Quote from: gasman826 on 2017-06-12 19:12
.  .  The more one tries to clean the system the more likely the cleaner will eat through things you don't want ate...like head gaskets and freeze plugs.

     Guenter
      As much as I hate to admit it, what Gary said is true about other things possibly getting eaten through.  So be aware of that .  I hope that you have a spare gasket kit handy.

      Your freeze plug areas that you opened look absolutely horrible.  Did you open all of them after seeing all of that Schmutz (dirt)?    They do look a lot better since you cleaned them.  Keep doing a little bit at a time.  Don't get frustrated.  You will conquer this temporary problem.  Jay   
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-06-13 05:41
Jay, I did pull all 4 freeze plugs from the block, the front ones weren't that badly clogged with Schmutz, but still when I removed the front drain valves alltogether, no water was coming out!!  Heavy poking with a screwdriver removed the scale and finally let the water out. Obviously at least the lower 1-2 inches of the water pockets were filled up with sediment, rust, sludge... I do hope that this cleaning will at least help a little in keeping the temperature down. while replacing the plugs  a few other things need done as well, cleaning and sealing the oil filter adapter and road draft tube, cleaning and inspecting the starter motor aso.
modern temp and oil press gauges will be adapted while at it, so I will finally know what exactly the engine conditions actually are.
Gary, your words make much sense. I am sure this is exactly the reason for what we have here. although I am still in the cleaning process, I will dump the used coolant and fill her up with distilled water and new permanent anti freeze today.
The CS project is becoming a material battle by now. She's eating oil, gas, filters, antifreeze and spare parts from the Del Rio shelf faster that I can replace them.... :005:
I even replaced the carb last week without much success and changed back to the old one on the car, with a lighter power valve for now. let's see.
Jim, what is the soil like in the area that you come from ? Usually using tap water that comes from limestone it will clogg everything in a short time. Our house freshwater comes from limestone mountains and we usually have to free up stuck valves, percolator, shower aso twice a year ( that's where my experience with citric acid comes from). Now imagine what that kind of water does to an engine that has hundreds of heat cycles, up to nearly boiling water and many different materials (steel, cast iron, brass) around.
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-06-13 06:02
I wonder...it you left the block open for a few days, let ALL the water dry out so that the dirt/scum/sediment inside was also dry, if you could vacuum most of it out with a small vacuum cleaner with a piece of fuel line as an extension to get way deep inside. This is what I use when I clean my pellet stove each fall. Amazing where that little hose can go!
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Post by: gasman826 on 2017-06-13 07:04
It's interesting that some extreme race engines are core filled to increase cylinder wall stability.  Over heating is less of an issue in WOT drag racing.  Many heavy duty diesel engines have cylinder liners.  The overhaul kit includes new pistons and liners.  Cubic inches and compression never change.  Just pop the pistons and liners out.  Each time the cylinder fires, the heat radiates through the cylinder wall to the extent of a near boil temperature.  The coolants job is to remove that heat without boiling.  Foreign material (minerals, rust, dirt) in the coolant bond (like weld) to the coolant side of the cylinder interfering with heat removal process.  So even if the radiator is successfully removing heat from the coolant, cylinder deposits could be causing cylinder wall hot spots.  Coolant like transmission fluid has many jobs so regular changing should be on the maintenance schedule.
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-06-13 07:52
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2017-06-13 05:41

The CS project is becoming a material battle by now. She's eating oil, gas, filters, antifreeze and spare parts from the Del Rio shelf faster that I can replace them.... :005:
I even replaced the carb last week without much success and changed back to the old one on the car, with a lighter power valve for now. let's see.
Jim, what is the soil like in the area that you come from ? Usually using tap water that comes from limestone it will clogg everything in a short time. Our house freshwater comes from limestone mountains and we usually have to free up stuck valves, percolator, shower aso twice a year ( that's where my experience with citric acid comes from). Now imagine what that kind of water does to an engine that has hundreds of heat cycles, up to nearly boiling water and many different materials (steel, cast iron, brass) around.
I think the only solution to all the problems is to ship it back to the US, I'll send my address.  I have a new Y block engine I'm building sitting on the stand waiting  :003:
Only a few cities in So Calif have their own water supply, the majority of it like mine comes from Northern Calif via an aqueduct, some other areas get it from the Colorado river. It goes through treatment plants but I guess they don't remove minerals because I have deposits in everything, not really bad but they are there, not sure if it's limestone but more then likely.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-06-13 17:33
Jim, the only problem is what am I gonna do with the 317 cui Y block that I am building then ?  :003:
This car is going nowhere.... I might be a little upset about her behavior now and then, but we'll get that fixed...haha

Hugh, vacuum cleaning is a neat idea but I don't think it would work on a Y block, the clearance between cylinders is maybe 1/8 to 1/4th so no way to get in there with a hose.
here's the remnants of the old freeze plugs:
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-06-13 17:38
the oil filter adapter needed cleaned out and sealed and the greasy mess called a starter needed cleaned as well. To my surprise I found the og stamp and sealed it with clearcoat. NORS brush set and cut back the insulation on the rotor while at it. Should do for another 60 years... :003:
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-06-13 17:45
Yea...same as in the 390. That is why I used a fuel line to get in there. Found an adapter set for my vacuum and hooked it all together, then stuck that fuel line on the tip and was able to really get in there and suck up some offending material. It is a patience thing...which YOU seem to have plenty of! LOL!!!
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-06-13 17:51
Hugh, it is a great idea and I will save that in my imaginary tool cabinet. Sure going to use it one day.

so, did the cleaning help?

Y E S !
:001:

took her on the Autobahn in 85 degree weather and with a modern gauge for reference she kept right at 170 to 180 at 70 mph.
going up a steap climb and a sudden stop only brought her to 200 (which is the right end of the black stripe on the og gauge).
4 miles later she was down to 160 again. no questions anymore about the cooling capacity of the block and radiator.
doing 10 more miles at 90+ wouldn't get her over 190.
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next thing to deal wiht is low oil pressure when hot.
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-06-13 19:35
SWEET!!! One more thing to check off the aggravation list!  :wav:
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Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-06-13 21:02
Günter
     You did a nice job of cleaning that starter, especially the commutator.   I  notice that you undercut it  also.
      There is nothing like having gauges in the car so you can know what is happening before it is to late.  You will think of some place to put them.    As you already know I like to have them in my cars.
       Hopefully the overheating is past history.
Jay   
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-06-14 08:05
317??? Lincoln Y block ?
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-06-14 08:13
No- a 292 bored and stroked to 317cui.
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-06-14 10:39
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2017-06-14 08:13
No- a 292 bored and stroked to 317cui.
312 crank turned down to fit the 292 block? Sorry if there was a post about this, I either missed it or it faded from my memory..
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-06-14 17:03
exactly that, Jim. + 312 rods. 0.080 over-292 (0.030 over 312-3.83) machined, ported and relieved ECZG heads, Egge pistons, factory 4bbl intake. Isky Cam.
Possibly assembling that engine next winter.
For now I got to cope with this machine here. Now that she's running cool, we got stranded again today with ignition problems. Obviously she doesn't like to get around. 2 hours and a spare distributor later made it back home on 5 or 6 out of 8, JUST....dunno, gotta check everything tomorrow. possibly a faulty coil, resistor, points or capacitor. or all of them. :005:
driving them seriously causes debris on track....
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-06-14 19:28
That will make a nice engine. Sorry you are having so many little issues to deal with..
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Post by: Ford Blue blood on 2017-06-15 06:31
Why is it they can't take a dump close to home?  I think they know when you're on a trip and decide the mess with ya..... :003:
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-06-15 11:13
Quote from: Ford Blue blood on 2017-06-15 06:31
Why is it they can't take a dump close to home?  I think they know when you're on a trip and decide the mess with ya..... :003:

Mine always seem to wait until I am 800-1000 miles from home! UGH!
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-06-15 15:25
There sure is a wicked soul built into each of those old cars. but my old lady is only half bad, she decided to wait for quittin time, right until the right parking spot showed up next to the highway.... :003:
Honestly we have to be greatful when we don't run in dangerous situations and make it home in one piece, even with car on 5 cylinders.
Today saw some troubleshooting action and about half a dozen problems were found. bad points gap, 2 faulty spark plugs, a broken mech advance spring, excessive play in vacc advance, bad connectors, and off timing. I swear  all of those were checked ok a few hundred miles ago. spark plugs go bad, replacement points wear rapidly, old hardware in distributors comes loose in a short time, old sticky grease frees up at high temperature and timing changes with points and whatnot. It's a mystery to me though, how all of that just became evident in that single moment when the engine started misfiring. It brought the car to a stop within 5 miles... :005:
anyways, all of the problems have been adressed and she purrs like a kitten again. has great steady idle now, even in Drive.
Took her out on a 40 miles freeway drive at 65 to 70 mph in 85-90 degree weather and she never got over 175 ! Ha....now it's my time to laugh !!!!! :003: :004:
steady temp reading of slightly over 170, and no more than 175. even stopping form the freeway into traffic lights took her no higher than 190. I can live with that ! Who would have thought that removing a little scale and grime would make that big difference. Well worth all the dirty work!
I am in love again. :002:
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-06-16 04:57
pics

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new spark plugs come with gaps ranging between 0.025 and 0.05 ....horrible stuff. I have never had that with my favorite Champion brand.
the 2 defective old spark plugs (#4 u 7) had more gap than others. so we need to check spark plug gap RELIGIOUSLY !

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rolling proof. og temp gauge is pretty accurate, once you know the range. 175 is pretty much in the middle.
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-06-16 07:47
You don't see many of those original ball bearing breaker plates any more, lucky you. I can't recall if they were 57 only? I've never seen new plug gaps that far off, at least not on the Autolites I use.
What is the red stuff you are using on the plug threads?
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-06-16 11:29
Jim, I was equally shocked by the bad spark plug gaps. The plugs are brandnew and each came out of their respective cardboard box.
I have 2 sets of NOS UF14Y Champions from the 1950s but I refuse to use and waste them on this well used and somewhat oil burning daily driver engine.
I am just using ultra copper (brake caliper/pads) lube on the plug threads. I have never had one seized or damaging threads in any of my engines. Good stuff.
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-06-16 12:54
Thanks G, I never use anything on the threads for fear of not getting a good ground. 
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-06-16 13:08
this is mostly real copper particles, so I dont worry about bad ground.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-08-17 18:18
Finally. today I made a 400 mile round trip to get the 57CS inspected by a federal officer. It seems it passed ok !  :003:
while at it, I thought it would be a good occasion to visit some places , and this is how typical Austrian scenery looks like, Rich !
and station wagon living at it's best. No Surf here Bob, but you got to take what you get ! :003:

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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-08-17 18:41
Great pics! Thanks for sharing...make me want to come over there and go for a drive!   :002:
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-08-17 20:27
That's what it's all about!!!!!!! Congrats on it passing inspection, I had no doubt. You live in beautiful country, always what I heard about Austria. The pics are exactly what I was hoping to see when I asked a few months back. Thanks for posting.
I had another quick 600 mile trip thru New Mexico a few weeks ago, I'll post pics as soon as I can find my cables to connect the camera.
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Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-08-18 06:31
  Thanks for the nice pictures Guenter.  It looks like you had hardly any traffic.  As you know , I know how tough and crazy those inspections are over there and I'm happy for you that your 57 CS passed.   Did they have any issues at all?
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-08-18 11:16
Beautiful Guenter! Nothing is more fun then a road trip in a 57. Tried to post some but they are to big and need resizing  :005: I think we should have a separate thread for road trips.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-08-18 14:02
Thnx, guys. it was another day and trip to be remembered for sure !
the scenery is incredible, even if you are used to it. the weather was just perfect with low 80s and the temp gauge seemed to be glued to the factory specs 160. hardly got over 170 sometimes and she was doing 65+ all the time. once in a sudden 20 min traffic jam it climbed to a cool 190. Really glad that I got those overheating issues fixed. Still very thankful for Jim's net filtering tip. still have it in there and getting lots of coarse rust and scale chips filtered out every 500 miles or so. I will keep it for now.
preparing for inspection I replaced the cracked drvr's door glass.
Jay, You wouldn't believe what they come up with issues. They complained about my rusty rain gutters....well, they should have seen my Del Rio then.... and they didn't like the shim stacks, that I made for camber/caster adjustment. It seemed it would have been better to drive it with extremely off and odd wheel settings than having  correct alignment with a stack of shims that is still within factory limits. Anyways I was able to convince them about that and was able to get a second set of radial 15" tires ticked off for future use.
Actually ist was  A LOT traffic as the holiday season is in full swing and the roads are crammed. Managed to take a few nice shots and finally getting off highways, and sneaking along those lovely backroads, creating some precious memories on film and on my mind.
There is nothing better than getting these cars out on the road and listen to them buzzing, with the landscape flying bye all day long. WOW !
The Y block is running like a Swiss clock, or rather like a Dearborn sewing machine...I am getting addicted to the rabid sound of the 1-5-4-8-6-3-7-2 ! It feels like flying one of those radial engined warbirds. just love it  :003:
Here's a few pics of replacing door glass and debris filtered out of coolant.

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-08-18 14:15
Just a few hundred feet above those lakes. can't explain how quiet and peaceful it is. it's just 25 miles from the city of Salzburg ( birthplace of Mozart). The Country Sedan fits the country like a glove.  :001: Loving it so much.

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Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-08-18 14:17
Amazing how much you can catch  :003:
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-08-18 14:24
Jim, I am thinking of building a cup shaped filter from brass mesh that will go in the radiator inlet neck nicely and can be cleaned out easily.
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-08-18 15:20
They whined about shims? REALLY? Do these people understand how common shims are in the world of front-end alignments? Obviously inspectors don't have to KNOW anything about cars to be "trained" to inspect them. SHEESH!

Looks good...glad you are enjoying it! Keep it up!   :003:
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-08-18 16:00
Hugh, honestly I was as surprised as you are.... it was the least important thing that I would have ever thought of, making issues. I even bundled them up with red tie wraps, so  I could see how many of them were there to do the job. should have painted them flat black... for the stealth effect.....haha.... dunno really. how they can come up with things like that. anyways, I know the front end will handle up to 100+mph, so I am good to go. :003:
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-08-18 16:02
I want to be with you in that sweetie when it hits 100 mph! LOL!!!
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-08-18 17:08
Fly in and check it out ! This old lady is good for some rpms.... :003:
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-08-18 20:23
Careful about throwing around those invites sir! I am about 18 months away from moving to my chosen locale for retirement...and about a year after that...I will be loose upon the world..free to travel where I please. However...I shall not be flying in...I am done with flying. I'll come over on one of those REALLY big canoes...you know the ones...7-8 decks high with lots of food on board?  :003:
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Post by: petew on 2017-08-19 08:03
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2017-08-18 14:24
Jim, I am thinking of building a cup shaped filter from brass mesh that will go in the radiator inlet neck nicely and can be cleaned out easily.

Google "Gano Filter" it's a coolant system filter that is easily removed for cleaning.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-08-19 08:08
way cool tip !
I had never before heard or seen this. Thank you so much !

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Post by: petew on 2017-08-19 17:53
You're welcome , seemed like the perfect answer to your problem .
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-08-29 17:33
Guys,.... after 10 months of hard work and many a $ spent, I was finally able to register the 57 today. Lots of bureaucracy had to be dealt with and everything from triple inspection to taxes to insurance and police permit is behind me as of today. Actual plates and sticker on car and good to go until 07+4=11/2019  :001:
Replaced an obvioulsy faulty power valve today and she seems to run much better than lately when a set of fouled spark plugs nearly stopped her.
Took her for a nice short drive downtown this evening and I am happy !
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-08-29 18:14
Congratulations :occasion14: That was a major hurdle.
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-08-29 18:19
Ah...the victory lap! Congrats sir!!!
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Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-08-29 20:39
OK... Let's see now.......
10 months of bureaucracy
Triple inspection
Taxes
Insurance
Police permit
200 miles each way for inspection

Now that you are legal I have the two questions.
  How often can you drive the car, and approximately how much in dollars did you spend , not counting the work that you put into the car? 
   I'm starting to get the feeling that they don't want people to be driving old cars.   
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-08-29 20:52
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2017-08-29 20:39
OK... Let's see now.......
10 months of bureaucracy
Triple inspection
Taxes
Insurance
Police permit
200 miles each way for inspection

Now that you are legal I have the two questions.
  How often can you drive the car, and approximately how much in dollars did you spend , not counting the work that you put into the car? 
   I'm starting to get the feeling that they don't want people to be driving old cars.

LOL!!! Kind of like trying to license a home-built in CA. Or a resurrected car for that matter.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-08-30 02:56
Yes, it is not getting easier. The federeal inspection person even complained about the rough looks and paint of my wagon. There is a condition rule in historic vehicles that says cars have to be in cond #3 ( from 1-excellent to 5-non running projects). #3 means clean paint and no surface rust. That was just a so-so with my wagon and close.
Anyways, Jay, concerning your question. taxes and insurance will be roughly around $1000 a year and I must not drive it more than 120days and 1900miles a year.....I need to keep a roadbook for and with the car. That's the official laws. I have been told though, that there are people who stretch those rules just somewhat, but I do not know any of them in person. :003:

I spend roughly 4.5k to get the car streetlegal here ( it was roadworthy and even registered in the UK when purchased). Not counting my approximate 600 working hours. It's a long way from when we used to get a can of paint and a few bolts fromt he home improvement store, to keep our old cars running, like we did 20+ years ago.
It has become very complicated, and they do not want old cars on the streets for environmental reasons (they say). all they want is really selling and selling and sellign of new junk, collecting taxes and wrecking 'brandnew' cars after 7-10 years. The energy needed to BUILD one average new car will make up for 50k miles of driving a used one. Not counting how the new wrecks need to be recycled and need even much more energy for the electronics, aluminium, fibreboard, foam and whatnot getting recycled. In my opinion, this is just a BIG lie. driving and keeping an old car on the road is not doing more harm to environment than frequently buying and wrecking new ones. JMHO. my 62 Mercury Comet easily averaged 25mpg with its 144cui six and my 1964 4 cyl Ford Taunus wagon does better than 30 !!!! well, and where's the 54 years of evolution ? ( Let's not start to talk about saftey, because that is a whole different topic, as we all will agree)
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Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-08-30 04:19
    That's just plain awful.  I can't imagine having to log into a book and record the mileage every time that I take one of my cars out for a drive.  That's precisely the reason that I have never used antique plates, because in my state there are also certain restrictions, but not that bad as yours.  If we have an antique car without the antique plates, there are no restrictions.  When you were here did you notice that  none of my antique cars had antique plates?   Now couple that problem with 50 states and every one is different.
      Is it my understanding that the cops can stop you at any time and check your book?     
      I suppose that it is mostly about money because there is no logic to most of that stuff.
         
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-08-30 04:34
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2017-08-30 04:19
    That's just plain awful.  I can't imagine having to log into a book and record the mileage every time that I take one of my cars out for a drive.  That's precisely the reason that I have never used antique plates, because in my state there are also certain restrictions, but not that bad as yours.  If we have an antique car without the antique plates, there are no restrictions.  When you were here did you notice that  none of my antique cars had antique plates?   Now couple that problem with 50 states and every one is different.
      Is it my understanding that the cops can stop you at any time and check your book?     
      I suppose that it is mostly about money because there is no logic to most of that stuff.
       

Oregon has been experimenting with computers installed in cars that record the miles you drive, then they bill you accordingly. Idea is that in time they will do away with gas tax or lower licensing fees, and charge people for the amount they actually drive on the roads.
Problem with that is people who NEED to drive, will pay much more than those who barely drive, and if you work a low-paying job, and live a considerable amount of distance from the city where your job is...because that is where you can AFFORD to live, there will be yet another bill for you to shell out cash on every month from already meager paychecks.
Technology is making "big brother" a bigger intrusion into people's lives all the time. UGH!
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-08-30 04:50
Jay , yes I know that you don't have historical registrations on your cars. I would have applied for a non histo, if it wasn't for....more rules....hahaha.... just in short. we MUST not and can not register a car older than 20 years with older environmental issues in Austria if it is imported from the US. BUT...if the car was a former in -state car or it came from the European Union, it is not an issue. so that means. GB residents are good to import a vintage car from the US, and there are no environmental laws in England for pre 60 cars I believe, so my og San Francisco based wagon was registered in Birmingham, UK as an everyday car, even with holes in floor and a-posts. Since the UK are still member of the Union, it was ok for me to import it without toll and customs taxes and I could have registered as a modern vehicle without environmental issues. BUT I would have had to pay 20% NOVA (environmental) tax, not on the purchase price, but on actual collectors value ( same as in Mass).
that means 20% x20k thats 4k for just registration taxes. the historical exempt allows for a zero Nova tax permit ( which I had to get from my local tax department). Well, that said, we still pay another 20% environmental pollution fee on registration taxes, which is another $150 a year or so, even though registered as per histo vehicle law. and then we can only drive them 120 days a year. and we have to pay for 365 days of road tax and highway toll....well.... and we pay, and we pay, and then we pay some more. and after all is paid, we still pay some more.... :003:
in 22 years of driving histo plate cars ( and then some !) I have never been asked by a police officer to show the roadbook. I have yet to meet one in a hundred or more vintage car friends I know in person, that actually HAS a roadbook. WHAT ? I hear you ask....
You would have to understand European thinking, and I know that you do, Jay. Much of all of that bureaucracy still dates back to the empires of 19th century and has been overruled and obsolete, and they are still keeping on, as to why, nobody knows.
It seems that officers are advised to NOT check the roadbooks.
Now, in come the Maseratis, Porsches, Jags and 300SL. You know who owns those precious and expensive cars. not the eaverage person. And they like to run long distance Oldtimer ralleys and frequently. the go on the Mille Miglia in Italy. which is a 1000 miles race and they drive theri cars back all the same. so that is 200o miles for one rally. Now I would like to see the organizers and driver's faces if they had to stop at 1900 mls.....hahaha.... some of my collector friends say, there will be vintage cars on the road for as long as wealthier persons want to take out their 1million $ ferarris and the like. Which is a good thing for the little and average vintage car guy like us. Let them roll ! :003:
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-08-30 04:56
Hugh, I feel your concerns and yes it is a tough thing for the average working person. electronic devices will be used in future, but they need to help low income people getting to their job.
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-08-30 06:49
Here in the land of fruits and nuts they want everyone to be in an electric car or a bicycle. On one of our local 4 lane roads they just took two lanes away for bicycles only, so now you 30 cars backed up sitting there idling at the stop signal while one guy goes by on a bicycle  :005:

The future of electronic monitoring by big brother is scary. I see the day in the future when every time you go over the speed limit it makes an automatic deduction from your bank account  :003:
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Post by: Limey57 on 2017-08-30 06:57
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2017-08-30 04:50
GB residents are good to import a vintage car from the US, and there are no environmental laws in England for pre 60 cars I believe, so my og San Francisco based wagon was registered in Birmingham, UK as an everyday car, even with holes in floor and a-posts.

Things are-a-changing here as well......  There have been various regulations in place for over 20 years that were not enforced regarding modifications, we are now seeing these tightened and any car being imported into the UK should be 100% standard.  Our annual safety-test (MoT) has now been abandoned for any car built before 1960 and we don't pay any tax on a car built before around 1975, so for my Ranchero I simply pay £160 (~ $185) a year for insurance and that's it, I have no restrictions on mileage, no bureaucracy and no complicated inspections.  Today.

There are proposals to remove the "Historic" status of a car modified away from standard (as with my Ranchero - disc brakes, R&P steering, 302 & AOD etc, etc) and throw it back into the realms of modern cars (safety inspections, paying tax etc), this is still at the discussion stage, but changes will come.

As you say, these are all done under the "environmental" heading, but how much pollution does the whole old-car movement of the UK cause compared to all of the new coal fired power stations being built in China & India?  The motorist always has been an easy target.

Mind you, the price of gas is the biggest limiting factor nowadays, after driving diesels every day, stamping on the gas pedal of a 302 V8 sees the fuel gauge needle move way quicker than anything else!
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Post by: gasman826 on 2017-08-30 07:12
Technology is already there in EFI vehicles.  The ECM has a radio frequency chip (RF) that spews all data steams into the air for anyone to listen in on and use any way they want.  Your vehicle speed sensor (VSS) is sending your speedometer info.  Your odometer info is offered up.  You GPS informs the location of you vehicle at all times.  How do you think ONSTAR works.  All your vehicle information is out there and just waiting for too much government to figure out how to use it.  Ford was slow to market WIFI due to security issues.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-08-30 08:02
I hear what you say Gary ( Gasman) and my answer is I do not drive or own vehicles built after 1967. I do not have facebook, I do not have GPS, I use paper roadmaps. no electronic speedos or any type of sensor in my cars. If that sounds like a political statement, it probably isn't. I just love these old cars, and yes I do take pride in personal freedom. :002:
Gary (UK), my British friends keep telling me how it might get harder for you to drive old cars in gerneral and especially modified ones.
We can only hope that rumors will not become real, like over the last 20 years- they didn't. Who knows what they have in plans, and let's just drive our cars on the open road as long as we can.
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-08-30 08:49
Sometimes too much bureaucracy can be a good thing......NO RATRODS!, lol.
Really interesting info Guenter and Gary.....nice hearing about life over the pond.
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Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-08-30 09:27
Rich
    Is that why you ran away from Taxachusetts? 
Jay
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-08-30 12:51
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2017-08-30 06:49
Here in the land of fruits and nuts they want everyone to be in an electric car or a bicycle. On one of our local 4 lane roads they just took two lanes away for bicycles only, so now you 30 cars backed up sitting there idling at the stop signal while one guy goes by on a bicycle  :005:

The future of electronic monitoring by big brother is scary. I see the day in the future when every time you go over the speed limit it makes an automatic deduction from your bank account  :003:

Yea...they have done the lane elimination thing in parts of WA state as well. Seattle, which has little parking to begin with, had removed 100's of parking spaces, Olympia took a lane away on one of it's busier roads...and NO ONE ever rides a bike on the thing.
And yea...I fear that electronic deduction thing is coming. Hopefully not until I am dead and buried! LOL!!!
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Post by: junior58 on 2017-08-30 18:04
Starting to think my little piece of paradise down here in New Zealand ain't so bad. We have a safety certification system in place for modified cars, and all cars imported must go through an initial safety compliance but once that is done there's no restrictions on use, no mileage limits or daily use limits. In fact the annual vehicle registration fees are cheaper for "vintage" cars (over 40 years old). Some of the insurance companies will charge reduced annual premiums based on your expected yearly mileage, but they don't mandate it. There are no extra "pollution taxes" or any of that malarkey. Other than it being more expensive to get cars here due to location, we have it pretty good.
By the way, well done for battling through the beauracracy and getting it done.
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Post by: rmk57 on 2017-08-30 20:59
Quote from: mustang6984 on 2017-08-30 12:51
Yea...they have done the lane elimination thing in parts of WA state as well. Seattle, which has little parking to begin with, had removed 100's of parking spaces, Olympia took a lane away on one of it's busier roads...and NO ONE ever rides a bike on the thing.
And yea...I fear that electronic deduction thing is coming. Hopefully not until I am dead and buried! LOL!!!

Same thing is happening in Vancouver. It seems every couple months they close down a lane or even a whole road for bike lanes. As you know living in the northwest from October to April there's a lot of rain and crappy weather that isn't conducive to biking to work every morning.
I wouldn't mind so much if the bikers were taxed to ride on their shiny new bike lanes, but you know it's not going to happen.

Next thing coming this way is road tax usage.........Iv'e heard Portland, Oregon has it already.
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-08-30 21:17
Quote from: rmk57 on 2017-08-30 20:59
Same thing is happening in Vancouver. It seems every couple months they close down a lane or even a whole road for bike lanes. As you know living in the northwest from October to April there's a lot of rain and crappy weather that isn't conducive to biking to work every morning.
I wouldn't mind so much if the bikers were taxed to ride on their shiny new bike lanes, but you know it's not going to happen.

Next thing coming this way is road tax usage.........Iv'e heard Portland, Oregon has it already.

I have about 14 more months of dealing with the leftist liberal garbage around WA state...them I'll be in the more common sense part of the country. Can't wait to get out of here where the "feel good" crowd gets away with doing as they please even when it makes no sense. Pandering to whiny minority has driven me out. My family tree set it's roots here in 1908...but done now.
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-08-31 08:06
No cars with any of the electronic crap, no cell phone, no GPS, other then the home computer I'm off the grid  :003: Only use PayPal for online purchases everything else is done with cash..
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-09-01 05:11
Right on , Jim !
IMHO it's always better to keep things simple.
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Post by: petew on 2017-09-01 07:36
Quote from: mustang6984 on 2017-08-30 21:17
I have about 14 more months of dealing with the leftist liberal garbage around WA state...them I'll be in the more common sense part of the country. Can't wait to get out of here where the "feel good" crowd gets away with doing as they please even when it makes no sense. Pandering to whiny minority has driven me out. My family tree set it's roots here in 1908...but done now.

After 55 years I (we) left Connecticut and moved to Alamance County North Carolina , it was a breath of fresh air.
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-09-01 10:55
Didn't take me that long, lol. At 19, I moved my wife and newborn to California from Mass. and never looked back. There are some great folks in New England, but overall,  attitudes and bureaucracy are tough to deal with.  Of course, it took another 20 years or so to escape the crazyness of California. IMHO, Colorado was the best all around for great attitudes and governmental regulations you can live with. Some of you guys are probably thinking."yeah, and it got a lot better in Colorado after I moved out of there, lol
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-09-01 12:26
Quote from: petew on 2017-09-01 07:36
After 55 years I (we) left Connecticut and moved to Alamance County North Carolina , it was a breath of fresh air.
I'm headed to the middle of the country...Missouri...don't want anything to do with either coast...especially hurricanes and such. Been through one of those in my time...and have no interest in re-visiting that "thrill...nope. And the part of Missouri I am going to doesn't suffer the tornado fun and games either...so peace and quiet for me.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-09-13 12:54
home run & touch down !  :003:

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Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-09-13 13:23
Nice personalized plate, way to go. Looking at the picture it just reminded me of a friend who recently got a ticket for the ball hitch obstructing the view of the plate. I guess some cops don't have anything better to do then pick the fly **** out of the pepper  :003:
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-09-13 13:35
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2017-09-13 12:54
home run & touch down !  :003:

SWEET!!! Where does it mount so you can still open that tailgate? Congrats!!!   :icon_thumleft:
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-09-13 13:41
You're right Jim, I'll have to mount the plate offset so it is clearly visible.

plate sizes and laws are just ******** ***** ****** ***** here, we're running out of ******** to replace the actual words..... :003:

I am glad that I was able to obtain a rectangular 2 line plate at all. I am not going to tell you about the hassles of that. we can register 3 different cars to one set of plates ( only drive one car at a time). now go figure , having 3 cars that are all legal and registered with rectangular plates, working in size and backlighting...and all 3 cars have to be inspected and street legal ( inspected) at the same time....now, I know, you are neither willing nor going to understand all of that Euro bureaucracy..... :003: .... still got it done.

Hugh, it's going between the hitch and right bumper guard, it is a very tight fit.
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-09-13 14:05
Three vehicles to one plate? WOW! Nice...although I can see the potential for abuse too.
We have our own sets of idiotic bureaucracies here as well...and to compound things...they often vary from state to state! UGH!

I can see where that will be a tight fit...but still...you GOT it! HURRAH!
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-09-13 14:09
here's the other 2 cars on the  old57 plates.
in case you are puzzled, the 'G' has nothing to do with my first name, but is a coincidence with the area code of my home town.
I do like the double meaning of old and GOLD though. these cars are 'old gold' in my mind.




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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-09-13 14:16
the plate fits by a fraction of an inch, Hugh. I did investigate that before ordering/applying for the actual plates. I do know that non of that nonsense is going on in any of the 50 states and we all ( over the pond) are envious of those small US plates you have...
the 3cars-on-one-plate registration gives us tax benifits, especially for collector cars, as we have to pay huge taxes calculated by actual horsepower ratings. 3x 150-200hp cars would cost about $3k a year. those 3x collector plates brings it down to $1k a year. I see you shaking your head in disbelief still.... :003:

Quote from: mustang6984 on 2017-09-13 14:05
Three vehicles to one plate? WOW! Nice...although I can see the potential for abuse too.
We have our own sets of idiotic bureaucracies here as well...and to compound things...they often vary from state to state! UGH!

I can see where that will be a tight fit...but still...you GOT it! HURRAH!
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-09-13 14:19
and Jay, don't you like the rectangular plate on the Sedan ?
It looks so much better then the aeroplane wing sized plate..... :003:
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-09-13 15:07
OK I'm confused. Do you have three plates that are the same or just one plate that is moved from car to car?
Off topic but here is a picture of my friends wagon next to my Ranchero. He is also building a Ranchero.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-09-13 15:13
Jim, I have one set of plates that is moved between cars. Only one car can be driven at a time. we pay taxes for the most powerful, but we pay road taxes, tunnel fees aso for each.....it's a little crazy

nice pic of those two 57s and the wagon even has yellow Cal plates ! those 57s are too good looking aint they ?
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-09-13 15:33
I think that would drive me crazy G. I drive all three of mine during the week. Do they have to be bolted on or can you use magnets  :003:

He has year correct plates on the wagon, I don't, but mines faster  :burnout:

We actually have another black 57 Fairlane in this small area and when my friend finishes his Rancher we will have four 57's in a few square miles.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-09-13 16:03
that means he has actually 56 plates w/ current stickers on his 57 ?
wagons don't have to be fast, nowadays they are just cool....haha.....they can be quick as well!
yes our plates have to be bolted on to each car ( at least the l.p. frame). each car carries its own inspection sticker.
There's 2 57s on my own property, and , well, maybe 3 or 4, all together in a 300 miles range.... :003:
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-09-13 16:13
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2017-09-13 14:16
the plate fits by a fraction of an inch, Hugh. I did investigate that before ordering/applying for the actual plates. I do know that non of that nonsense is going on in any of the 50 states and we all ( over the pond) are envious of those small US plates you have...
the 3cars-on-one-plate registration gives us tax benifits, especially for collector cars, as we have to pay huge taxes calculated by actual horsepower ratings. 3x 150-200hp cars would cost about $3k a year. those 3x collector plates brings it down to $1k a year. I see you shaking your head in disbelief still.... :003:

OUCH!!! I can say it goes the opposite in many states here...LESS for older cars than new ones...just the preliminary registration can be a pain...though NOTHING like what you went through. You have my sympathies.
So...are the plates held in place with heavy magnets? Or do you screw and unscrew them to move them from car to car?
[NOTE: I see my question was answered in another post re: the attachment issue. Thanks.]
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Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-09-13 16:19
Jim
   You captured a nice picture of your friend's wagon parked next to your Rancharrow.  I like it when 57 Ford show up at the cruises, but don't get to see many of them around here.

Guenter
    That smaller plate is beautiful and looks better than the long one. It looks good on the three cars.   Seems to be similar to the dealer plate.  Now you can rest a little with those horrible and over complicated inspections behind you.

Rich
     I can not fault you for getting out of Mass. when you could do it.  Things have gotten more complicated and  expensive here.   
     
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-09-13 16:50
Jay, I knew you would approve of the new plates. I am sorry it's OLD57 instead of OLD34...but you know the whole story anyways.
57s forever and my first love, 34s are second by just a fraction of an inch... :003:

If that's any excuse, you know that there are actually 2 57s, but 3 34s in this place at the moment... :002:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-09-13 17:29
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2017-09-13 16:19
Jim
   You captured a nice picture of your friend's wagon parked next to your Rancharrow.  I like it when 57 Ford show up at the cruises, but don't get to see many of them around here.
It's nice to have a few 57's around but we are numbered 1000 x 1 by that other brand  :005: Not really surprising, Calif is filled with stupid people..
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-09-13 19:17
 Not really surprising, Calif is filled with stupid people..

Actually...it is "West Coast" is filled with stupid people. No better here in WA state or the one in between us either. If'n ya' know what I mean!   bawl
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-09-14 09:11
Quote from: mustang6984 on 2017-09-13 19:17
Not really surprising, Calif is filled with stupid people..

Actually...it is "West Coast" is filled with stupid people. No better here in WA state or the one in between us either. If'n ya' know what I mean!   bawl
You are so right. OR has become what it always hated. And the cancer keeps spreading.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-09-14 11:12
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2017-09-14 09:11
You are so right. OR has become what it always hated. And the cancer keeps spreading.

Cancer is an apt description of the problem.

P.S. Love that Ranchero!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-09-15 04:11
x2. love Jim's Ranchero. the color combo is striking and loving the Cragars and stance as well. add the fact it's driven all the time and it is a total winner. How about posting some fresh pics of your ride, Jim ?

It is astounding that a lot of new things and the way people change, it often seems things are getting more stupid instead of becoming smarter. sometimes a rule of thumb or simple thinking would make life easier. It's great how we can repair and maintain our old cars with exactly those two things.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-09-15 04:27
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2017-09-15 04:11
It is astounding that a lot of new things and the way people change, it often seems things are getting more stupid instead of becoming smarter. sometimes a rule of thumb or simple thinking would make life easier. It's great how we can repair and maintain our old cars with exactly those two things.

I firmly believe that the internet has made society stupider and a lot less sociable. What should have been a boon toward making us more intelligent and more cohesive has indeed done the opposite. Except of course for this site...which is heavn for us '57 Ford addicts!   :hello2:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-09-15 09:17
Thank you for the kind words guys. It's no show car but a great daily driver. I'm sorry for a lack of pictures, the last ones my wife took on a road trip with her phone were to BIG to post and I couldn't
seem to resize them. I just have an old camera that barely works. A few weeks ago I managed to get the battery charged and the thing wrapped in wire and tape to take a picture of the new engine I'm building so I could send it to Jay.

I agree, all the new technology that is suppose to make our lives easier has made them more complicated in many ways. But like most things they are a two edge sword..
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-09-15 13:05
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2017-09-15 09:17
Thank you for the kind words guys. It's no show car but a great daily driver. I'm sorry for a lack of pictures, the last ones my wife took on a road trip with her phone were to BIG to post and I couldn't
seem to resize them.

Send them to me...one or two at a time will go through e-mail...I'll re-size them for you and send back the modified ones you can keep in a folder for the purpose of "show-n'-tell"! LOL!!!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-09-15 15:03
Quote from: mustang6984 on 2017-09-15 13:05
Send them to me...one or two at a time will go through e-mail...I'll re-size them for you and send back the modified ones you can keep in a folder for the purpose of "show-n'-tell"! LOL!!!
There are only actually two, my wife was more interested in the scenery LOL
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-09-15 15:41
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2017-09-15 15:03
There are only actually two, my wife was more interested in the scenery LOL

ROTFLMAO! Sounds familiar!!!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-09-17 11:46
Quote from: mustang6984 on 2017-09-15 15:41
ROTFLMAO! Sounds familiar!!!

    I need a translation.    Can't figure out that word.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-09-17 12:16
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2017-09-17 11:46
    I need a translation.    Can't figure out that word.
Jay, it's computer slang/short cut. There are many I don't know, it helps to have kids to do the translations  :003:

R =rolling
O =on
T = the
F =floor
L =laughing
M =my
A =ass
O =off
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-09-17 12:42
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2017-09-17 12:16
Jay, it's computer slang/short cut. There are many I don't know, it helps to have kids to do the translations  :003:

R =rolling
O =on
T = the
F =floor
L =laughing
M =my
A =ass
O =off

Yep...that's it!  :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-09-19 22:08
WOW!   Thanks.   Computer language stumps me.   
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-10-18 05:02
back to little details on the wagon.
As some of you pointed out I was running into trouble with the rear license plate not clearing the trailer hitch. Our plates are huge unfortunately...
I mounted it offset to the right side of the hitch and low down so it would clear the tailgate and all letters being readable. I just hated that offset look, it ruined the whole car. after looking at it for a month or so, I believe I came up with a better solution :002:
fully retractable mechanism, so it clears both the hitch and the gate when down and it can be swept out of the way when hooking a trailer.
it'll also accept og Cal plates for show display.

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-10-18 05:07
another shot with the actual plate
(http://up.picr.de/30678909nr.jpg)

here's a link to short video, showing the fully automatic retraction while gate is opended and closed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue-qvbv6RL8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue-qvbv6RL8)
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-10-18 05:30
Looks good! Another successful endeavor!  :blob9:
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-10-18 07:00
very  clever and well executed.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-10-18 15:35
thank you, a little detail like that makes life a bit easier, and you should have seen the offset plate, it looked hideous. I couldn't stand it.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-10-18 16:46
Guenter
        You did a nice job making that centered plate holder.   
        Just one question.....Does TUV allow you to not have a rear plate light?
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-10-18 17:03
Jay, this has been a frequently asked question over the last few days also by my friends over here. and the wagon HAS plate lights. they re cleverly (not so much) hidden in the bumper guards. my current license plate has exactly the same width as the US plates, so it has the same lighting effect as well. not too bad, but obviously Ford or government thought the same as you and they made the distance between the bumper guards a lot less for 1958 and they also changed the plate light design.

today I cleaned up the 1960s era plates of my Del Rio to use it for display purpose on the CS. it is a matching pair. I have paperwork and pictures to prove they were original to my Del Rio.
these plates look much better than our new ones.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-10-18 17:14
This has been discussed on the forum before, but just to show the difference in 58 bumpers guards, they really enclose the license plate.
btw , this is a terrific looking 58 Ranchero !

(http://topclassiccarsforsale.com/uploads/photoalbum/1958-ford-ranchero-302-v-8-blackwhite-new-bumper-to-bumper-13.jpg)
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-10-18 18:23
I never noticed the difference between the 57 and 58 before. The ones on the 57 are almost useless  :005:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: lotsafords on 2017-10-18 21:42
Just admiring the beautiful Ranchero and was wondering if you or anyone else who has a well secured and attractive hitch would mind posting pics of the underside attachment?
Thanks
Jack
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-10-19 03:15
Jack, my hitch is an original from the 1950s, you can see it here: (scroll down a bit)

http://57fordsforever.com/smf/index.php?topic=6705.msg58971#msg58971

and here

http://57fordsforever.com/smf/index.php?topic=6705.msg59124#msg59124

unfortunately the 58 Ranchero isn't mine....just a pic I copied for bumper guards reference.
yes the 57 wagon rear plate lights are a little odd :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-10-19 07:05
I wonder if a LED type bulb would work better in the license plate light, or if they even make one?
I put LED in the tail lights, the tail lights and brake lights are now twice as bright as the original 1157 bulbs.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-10-19 17:20
Ya, Jim, some of the Leds are cool and bright, but some are real junk. I have made good use of Leds and currently replacing the turn signals on my 34 with ultra bright German made ( and expensive :002:) LED blinkers.
took a night shot for you guys, and I think it doesn't show that badly in the end. The bad bodywork on the tailgate and the og chrome bumper are getting hilighted very well....hahaha :003:

I just love how the afterburners are gleaming in the rocketship taillights....57 must be one of the 10 best taillight assemblies EVER.

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: 59meteor on 2017-10-19 18:09
I always found it odd that Ford retained the round 1957 tail lights on the 1958 Ranchero and Sedan Delivery models, but used the 58 tail  lights on the Station Wagons. I wonder what thier reasoning was. You would think that the Ranchero and wagon tail gates would be the same as each other, same with rear 1/4 panel configuration.
Also, the 58 Ranchero did not get the ribbed roof panel, but the wagons and Sedan Delivery did. Kinda strange.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2017-10-19 19:05
In those days...Ford (like all the others) used up everything. When they realized how many of the taillights they had left, and the cost of retooling for the Ranchero before the big new releases coming in '59...they probably just opted to use what they had.
Ditto for the Sedan Delivery. Again...major changes came to the tooling for '59...so they just went with what they had for those two models. Saved bucks.

On a side note...I have always wondered how many of MILLIONS Chevy tossed in the trash when they did the '58 Chevy...one year only as a bridge between the '57 & '59. I personally...think the '58 was better looking than either one of the other two. What a waste of money though.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-10-20 05:21
G, thanks for the picture. What bulbs did you use for the license plate lights? those are awesome compared to the originals.

The 57 tail lights were the first time I have used LED. So I just bought some cheap Chinese to experiment with, they didn't work as I expected but that was my mistake, I bought white ones :005: Then a friend explained to me that LED light spectrum is different and you have to use a red bulb with a red lens so all is good now. My tail lights are as bright or brighter then the original brake lights. Even the brake lights in the daytime is a big improvement, we did a side by side comparison with my friends wagon, so I feel a little safer if there is such a thing  :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: rovohn on 2017-10-27 19:54
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2016-12-10 17:50
cleaned debris from inside pssgr door
and put important sticker on  :002:
Rod&Surf by Mooneyes was applied by former owner but I think it fits the car well.
Where can you get the 57 fords international sticker? I want a couple badly
Cheers,John
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-10-28 04:17
Please contact James Potter, Moderator, owner and Mastermind of this Forum.
see:
http://57fordsforever.com/smf/index.php?topic=5572.0
(http://57fordsforever.com/smf/index.php?topic=5572.0)
I hope that he still has some stickers left, as he was talking about running out of old design and preparing to possibly getting a new design printed.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Limey57 on 2017-11-13 11:05
I really like the folding licence plate!  Fortunately I managed to just have enough clearance on mine as we're allowed to use motorcycle size plates on US imports, but as I have a removable hitch I could have made it to cover the hitch receiver and remove it when towing, but went the easier route.

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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-11-14 15:26
Thx Gary. Unfortunately we don't have access to smaller plates for collector cars.
What I find useful with the folding mechanism, that when backing up to a trailer, I can just sweap it up and it won't get mangled if the trailer touches the bumper.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: KYBlueOval on 2017-11-27 04:32
Guenter, I found a Station Wagon Tailgate on U.S.  E-Bay   item # 332457782952............where there is a tail gate, there might be a roof, and drip rail.
John
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2018-01-09 04:26
Just updating this thread a little. Not much going on as we're stuck in the middle of winter and I have no big plans for the CS this season. She's out in the enclosed carport and I go out and 'visit' here now and then. haven't started her up in 2 months, but will soon, letting the engine idle and warm up sufficiently.
Plans for spring include replacing and sealing the oil pump with a refurbished oem pump, that needs assembling. When springtime comes, it'll be driving time ! :001:

Here's a few memories from 2017 last Halloween Cruise.

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2018-01-10 01:32
Not only do I have a lust for your wagon...but that coupe would look REALLY good sitting in my shop! LOL!!!   :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2018-01-10 03:21
Hugh, that Model A Resto Rod has been around for a long time. the PO brought it over when he moved from the US to Austria, probably 30 yrs ago or more. it's a 4dr Sedan btw. hard to see from that pic.
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2018-01-10 09:22
Nice...not many of those 4-doors left. Looks sweet!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2018-01-20 16:46
currently rebuilding an oil pump for the 292 Y. see topic:

http://57fordsforever.com/smf/index.php?topic=7323.0 (http://57fordsforever.com/smf/index.php?topic=7323.0)
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2018-03-02 16:44
not much going on with the Country Sedan, but finally converted the og interior lamp to LED panels. old bezel is pretty much weathered but with brighter LEDs shows nicely. another og piece saved. the single OEM bulb was just not bright enough. now I can find the ign lock or my way into the cargo area when out camping. :003:


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Post by: mustang6984 on 2018-03-02 20:20
SWEET!  Looks great! Nicely done sir!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2018-07-16 14:32
Not much has been going on with the wagon unfortunately. after driving it just a few times in spring I did not find the time to get it out again with lots of business work. It's a shame really. My best excuse is that I have been driving the '34 daily since.
About 3 weeks ago I wanted to fire her up, only to find a dead battery and after that was replaced she fired right up, pouring what felt like a gallon of gas down the floor. Probably a faulty fuel pump diaphragm. She did that before and self sealed her again with gas in the pump. obviously the diaphragm doesn't like to get dry. Anyways, ordered a rebuild kit, and here I am sitting and thinking if I should try start her up tomorrow, hoping that she managed to miraculously fix that leak by herself. You never know... :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2018-07-16 15:44
Hope you have better luck then me. Does your fuels have that damn Ethanol?
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2018-07-16 16:13
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2018-07-16 14:32
I am sitting and thinking if I should try start her up tomorrow, hoping that she managed to miraculously fix that leak by herself. You never know... :003:
Always good to be an eternal optimist yes? LOL!!! Good luck with that approach...never has worked for me either.    bawl
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2018-07-17 03:16
Well , judging by the usual amount of luck with my old car trouble, I should not even go out there to look at the wagon... :002:

Yes we do have ethanol in fuel, but much less then in the US or Germany. we do get premium fuel that has very little of it ( 3 or 5%).
When I brought my 2 cars from the US I observed how I was literally able to screw the idle mixture screws in a lot for leaner mixture.
( I drove both cars in the US and they were idling just nicely with US gas).
Of course both cars came from sea level and up to 1000ft el. where I live, but I have never had to adjust my cars much when going to the sea. My best bet it's the difference in fuel, hence 20% ethanol in pump gas overseas vs continental premium gas.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2018-07-17 06:52
I just replaced the fuel pump on my 223 six and found one that has Ethanol compatible parts. The one on my Y didn't say but I'm assuming or hoping it is.  I blame everything on Ethanol, even if a door handle falls off  :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2018-07-17 09:57
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2018-07-17 06:52
I just replaced the fuel pump on my 223 six and found one that has Ethanol compatible parts. The one on my Y didn't say but I'm assuming or hoping it is.  I blame everything on Ethanol, even if a door handle falls off  :003:

Ethanol is the spawn of the devil no doubt!  :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2018-07-17 16:31
yes boys, obviously it was the 3% of eveporating European Ethanol that caused the fuel pump diaphragm to shrink just somewhat. And, as hard it may be to believe, she self sealed her again  :003: Done it again !
the 97% of fresh premium gas obviously helped to soak the old rubber parts and everything is tight and back to normal as of today. Put it on the lift and retightened the 10 machine screws on the fuel pump, but not much. Still they could be tightened somewhat. Do I own a Mercury now, that the Ford's bolts have been tightened ?  :003:

Anyways, I have plenty of donor Y block pumps and winter will see one of them rebuilt with US made ethanol compatible rebuild kit.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: CobraJoe on 2018-07-17 18:13
Nice DJ! How come I never have that kind of luck?  :dontknow:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2018-07-17 21:07
Lucky you, I'm stuck with 10% and nothing fixes it's self.. :005:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ecode70D on 2018-07-18 02:47
I'm glad that you boys are mentioning that about the older diaphragms.  Yesterday I was looking for some part in an old cabinet and found a rebuilt fuel pump still in the old box. I put it there about 25-30 years ago because it has the screw on filter below it.  Now I'll save it just in case the one in my Y block poops the bed. I'll just use the diaphragm. 
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2018-07-18 17:13
Jay, you have to be careful with your assumption. Usually we tend to like original old or NOS things better than replacement, but they had no ethanol in the old fuel. There are many stories where modern fuel ( including 10%+ ethanol alcohol) ruined rubber parts in pump and carb, even causing leather accelerator pumps ( as in 94s) to deteriorate quickly. Modern replacement kits offer rubber parts, even fuel bowl inlet valves and stuff with alcohol compatible rubber parts. Who knows how long these will last... We have no way of knowing what the ethanol will do to 25+ year old NOS or NORS parts unfortunately.
As I said we have less alcohol in premium gas over here, but I observed that modern fuel evaporates much quicker, than std pump gas did about 20 yrs ago. also it smells totally different these days. It does get stale ( and this is no pun intended this time). When I got the 34 out of winter storage after 6 months this spring, it wouldn't idle and definitely had limited power. She didn't like the old gas even after 100miles of road use. as soon as the old gas was used up and fresh gas filled, she purred like a kitten. This is not an opinion, I exactly observed this.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2018-07-18 20:44
I have noticed the same thing. I take my Saleen out after a winter of storage...and it uses very unladylike language until I burn her tank down to about 1/2...then I top it off with new gas and she tones down the language.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ecode70D on 2018-07-18 21:09
  I know what you are saying about running crummy.  I took the 40 out in early spring for inspection and topped it off with fresh gas and it continued to run nicely last week when it was driven to the Friday night cruise.  Two days ago when I took out the 34 for the first time this year, it ran like a dog until I topped it off with fresh fuel and it started to run much better.     
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2018-08-01 16:49
hot summer days. after a 95mph+ ride the wagon had to get a rest in the shade with her older sister... :002: :003:

Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2018-08-01 17:45
Great! You are +5 mph crazier then me  :003: :burnout:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: CobraJoe on 2018-08-01 18:15
...and 10 more than me Guenther. I cruise with mine 75-80, but on bias-ply @ 95...?..

Wait....did you mean Kilometers per hour?   :003:

Seriously, two beautiful rides, awesome pic
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: rmk57 on 2018-08-01 20:07
Fun Fun Fun on the Autobahn............

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iukUMRlaBBE
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2018-08-01 22:38
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2018-08-01 16:49
hot summer days. after a 95mph+ ride the wagon had to get a rest in the shade with her older sister... :002: :003:

I have to tell you...I love your '57...but the older sister...is a lovely lady that I would like to have for a girlfriend! Oh yea!

So...short version...
Dropped a hitchhiker off in L.A. in December of '75. Fueled up the Courier, stuffed Bill Haley and the comets in the 8-track, and with "Rock Around the Clock blaring at 2 a.m. headed out on to I-5...took her up to 100 mph...with a brand new speedometer cable...and headed south to San Diego to see my mom for Christmas. Saw a car on the side of the freeway, and when I looked in my rear-view...saw headlights, bright lights, ans two spotlights. I knew I had the advantage, he was parked, so I stuffed the gas pedal down and took off. As the needle disappeared out of sight I assumed I was beyond the 120 speedometer, and I just kept going. (330 rear gears) The cable snapped, and I lost sight of the car. After about 15 minutes of that I crossed into Orange County (Anaheim) slowed down to about 75 (legal speed was 70) and made it to San Diego County with no further excitement. I had to stop and re-fuel...did so...and quietly drove to my mom's.

When I came back north...I was towing my other Courier behind the one I drove down...and did so in daylight...so that I wouldn't run into who ever was in the car that night. That car has NEVER been back to California. By now it is probably safe to go...I'm guessing that cop is probably retired by now. LOL!!! Maybe this next summer when I have it finished.
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2018-08-02 07:12
I had a similar situation in 1968 but I got caught  :005: That afternoon I had my first radial tires installed and drove to work, I worked swing shift in a machine shop and got off at 12. I hit the I-5 in Glendale and stuck my foot in it to test them, 292 dual quads and OD. When I came off the off ramp in Burbank I had red lights behind me, the CHP had been clocking me with his lights off. It was a Dodge and had a large extra speedometer that locked at the highest clocking speed, he walked me back and showed me it stopped at 112 mph. We had a nice discussion about the new radials and cars in general and he just wrote me up for 85 mph on the ticket..
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2018-08-02 09:03
LOL!!! Nice that he didn't wrote you for the full amount! I was running Firestone radials when I did mine---GR 70-14's. Twenty-one and full of spit and vinegar. Not sure I'd do that today...or even could anymore down there. Seems like it is always full of traffic 24/7.
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2018-08-02 10:54
In 1968 I was 21 also. I had BF Goodrich 990 life savers. Every time I went into a gas station they would tell me my tires were low LOL, and when I told them they were radials they would look at me like I had a pile of crap on my head..
I buried the speedo in my 58 Ford coming back from Vegas with four of us in the car. Nevada had no speed limit back then   :burnout:  The good old days  :003:

Guenter, sorry for hijacking you post with my BS
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2018-08-03 02:49
No problem Jim, not gonna argue with bad, BAD JD guys like the two of you....  :002: :003:

Hugh, I think after 50 yrs or so, the cop should be ok with you anyways.

What I want to add is that I never take a risk with speeding in traffic these days. So much traffic on the Autobahn and our vintage cars are so much behind in braking and handling anyways. But mostly in the early evening after commuting traffic has settled down, we have our good and less crowded highway stretches.

It's still exciting to see how easily our 57s cope with that speed. lots of power left even in a old worn out 292 and the wagon goes arrow straight. I just love the hammering Y block sound at speed. Didn't even floor it. It felt like she would easily go over 100 but then again, what for. It is just nice to see that she is quite capable of things 60 yrs later.
Usually I let her roll at 60 to 70 mph.
Yes, I do love my ( automobile) Ladies ! :004:

@RMK what everybody thinks its Fun Fun Fun with Kraftwerk, is of course fahren, fahren, fahren. in German. means driving.

Here's your funfunfun :003:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK7DA0FliIs
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2018-09-04 14:33
Got the 57 back out for driving it more this fall. went to a local car show that is held in a former Luftwaffe hangar.

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A friend of mine is doing a Kustom car/Hot Rod type of indoor show in about 2 weeks and we went to check out the location today. now is this cool or what ?
built between 1872 and 1917 it's all bricks. a former soap factory. inside is neat and tidy and used for all kinds of events ( cinema, marriage, official)
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2018-09-04 15:23
That is a beautiful old building! Old soap factory?........they should turn it into a local brew house......suds of a different kind. Thanks for sharing...your beautiful old ride goes perfectly with it.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2018-09-04 15:39
Thank you Rich. should see the inside, it's stunning. this is just an official PR pic. will post pics with cool cars and Californian guests in it soon.

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They just tore down an old brewery like this 10 minutes from my place. they saved a few historical building but most is gone unfortunately.
here's some pics pic of the old brewery buildings with my 34 and the old steam engine water tower.

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Post by: CobraJoe on 2018-09-04 16:20
Awesome pics (and cars!) DJ, thanks for posting. Damn shame that they tear down old architecture like that...once it's gone, it's gone for good.  :deadhorse:
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2018-09-04 18:38
Beautiful shots G. Glad you can take the 57 out for a ride. I love the old buildings and the cars look great in those settings. We still have blimp hangers preserved here, amazing how big they are..
Old soap factories reminds me of the general purpose soap I use that started in Germany way back 1908..
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Post by: Marc on 2018-09-04 19:37
The wagon looks real good, and so does that '34!
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Post by: Tom S on 2018-09-04 20:57
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2018-09-04 18:38Old soap factories reminds me of the general purpose soap I use that started in Germany way back 1908..
1908! I didn't think you were that old.  :002:
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2018-09-05 03:40
 :003:....you guys...!

In central Europe there is a trend in urban communities to restore and use just some of the old industrial buildings and making them into modern event locations while keeping the old looks. Luckily the old soap factory is now a listed historical building and must not be torn down at all. What's really bad, is that 95% of the rest - nobody cares for. It seems that in todays modern world, a place to actually work in with hands on, seems to be a nuisance. With all the computer and bureaucracy, real work on things has come to a minimum.
There is actually a bulletin in my hometown, that empasizes on tearing down old industrial areas and making them into suburban living estates and tall business buildings. One time in future they will want to have yet one single blacksmith left to fit some new horseshoes !
But for now we're just looking forward to that car show in the cool brick building. :002:
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2018-09-05 06:09
The same thing here, a few are saved as Historical landmarks, others are turned into brewery's, art studios or retail. Most aren't saved as the cost of retrofitting them to meet earthquake standards and all the other BS regulations is just to high. 
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2018-09-05 20:58
DJ...I so love the older buildings. Architecture today is pretty lame to the old designs. Your cars only made those buildings look better!
Thanks for sharing!
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2018-11-14 08:42
no update here for quite some time, so here is a pic from our September show. the CS being parked between some criminal objects. I have no idea who let them in. I think they were then observed by the security team the whole weekend. :002:

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As mentioned before we had special guests from California and Mr Winfield and his girl Laura are huge Ford fans as well. Laura even has a 57 Ranchero that she inherited from her brother I think. I am happy to say that after a mishap that happened at another show later on (Gene broke his hip and had to have surgery and a medical flight) but he is back home and well and will hopefully recover soon.
It was a great honor and pleasure to meet such a living legend, drive him around in the 57 and having the oportunity to spend some time and do some bench racing with our group of close friends and car guys. Precious memories for sure !

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Post by: mustang6984 on 2018-11-26 23:46
Not sure who was luckier here...YOU for getting time with Mr. Winfield...(you lucky dog you!)...or him for getting to take that trip and wind up sitting in that rolling art of yours!
I re-visited the old brewery building you posted up earlier...sure is a nice looking piece fo architecture.
As always sir...thanks for the eloquent posts!
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2018-11-27 05:06
You're welcome Hugh, thx.

At the moment it is being discussed if the 2020 show will again be held at the same location, or moved to an even larger steam-era brick building. I am really looking forward to that show and meeting all those nice people and having the cars around for a party !

I would love to post more efforts on the 57s, but I have been very busy with other projects. There are many things still in need of doing on the CS. For now I just want to keep it roadworthy and inspected and further work will have to be delayed. In spring I want to replace the valve stem seals. I have all parts lying around for an AOD conversion with a Bendtsen speed Gems adapter kit, but not enough time right now.  the og 3spd Fordomatic shifts nicely and works great, but generates lots of heat on long highway cruises. the rearend is high geared and causes high rpms at cruising speed of 75mph. That would be improved a lot with the 0.67 AOD overdrive. I think it would change the wagon from a runaroundtown car to a long distance cruiser.
For next year I still plan to take the 57 on a 600 miles roundtrip to the Adriatic sea in early June. So I still got to get a few things done, like the valve stem seals. For now I am just happy to find enough time for recharging the battery ( which is actually plugged in at the moment) :003: ...That's something!
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2018-11-27 12:30
Those cruises sound fun...especially to the Adriatic. Make me want to ship mine over when I finish it and go for a few drives. But that would probably be prohibitively expensive for a few weeks worth of cruising.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2018-11-29 17:35
There are many obstacles in shipping a car. Usually it's not a big thing, but I have had bad experience lately. workers are careless and push or damage cars to their likings. it is possibly better if you have a drive in/out container and the car is in pristine condition. it will get insured properly and taken care of. project cars they push around like scrap iron. they are aware of the low purchase price and value and no insurance will cover anything on a car like that.
That said, if I shipped a car to drive on the other side of the ocean, I'd want to have an extended journey for several months or so. It could be a dream come true though. I am still thinking about one time shipping one of my own cars back to the US and doing a nice cross country trip, but that will have to wait for a looooong time. :003:
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2018-11-30 15:45
I have heard this before from Aussies who used to come over here once every 5 years when we did Mustangs Across America. They would buy first gen cars and drive them around the country after the MAA trip, then ship them back to Australia. Always sent them back in containers (2 per) so they didn't have to worry about abuse by handlers.
If I were going to do this...I would surely be doing it with an eye toward spending about 6 months or so there...see the country as much as possible. But expense...is a concern of course. We'll see...have to finish the little devil first! LOL!!!
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2018-12-02 15:12
sometimes you need to clean out the property of foreign scrap iron. :003: :002:

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Post by: mustang6984 on 2018-12-02 17:22
Well...in it's defense...at least that particular vintage had some design to it...as opposed to the scrap produced now. Would make a good Custom Street Rod.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2018-12-03 02:09
I have to confess , it's coming, not going. :002:
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Post by: rovohn on 2018-12-30 20:28
This is the 667th reply just to be safe
John :canada:
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Post by: lalessi1 on 2018-12-31 08:46
Quote from: rovohn on 2018-12-30 20:28
This is the 667th reply just to be safe
John :canada:

That is brilliant!
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2019-01-01 12:17
didn't even notice that before, but thanx. we don't want to mess with the wrong man.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2019-03-04 02:30
past weekend, and it seems we are early this year. nice 60 degree Sunday afternoon and time for a wash and warm up drive around the neighborhood.
Again and again it brings loads of joy to crank the Y block, feel and hear its familiar rumble and slowly get that old beauty into gear and cruising down the road. Hopefully spring and driving season will arrive soon also for all of our other northern members !

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Post by: mustang6984 on 2019-03-04 11:38
Ah...does my heart good to see that car being prepped for another summer of fun and frivolity. Also makes me jealous. LOL!!!
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2019-03-04 13:30
If the weather holds, I'll be putting 8-900 miles on mine later this week. 17* and snowing when I got up this morning, but suppose to be in 60's this weekend, and also in Fort Worth (Goodguys)............it's just the 60% chance of rain there Saturday that's making it iffy.
The car is looking great, Gunther!
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2019-03-05 04:06
keeping my fingers crossed for you Rich, the spring meets in that part of the country must be great ! Probably lots of new builds showing up every year?
our cars should be driven (even more)!

I want to drive the 57CS more this year, as I barely made any longer road trips last year. lots of work and also my other cars running so nicely kept me from using the 57. I have to admit that it has the lowest mpg rate of all my cars, and gas price is something that we really have to consider here in Europe. Luckily gas price went down almost 10-15% from last year and will hopefully stay for the summer. so this makes it a little easier on the wallet.
The 57 starts great, idles well and has good power. there are some small oil leaks, nothing major. There is a list with smaller projects that I plan to do on it in the next 3 months:

frt oem stabilizer bar needs installed ( all hardware stripped and painted already, new rubbers in stock.)
lower bump stops install on a arms (og hardware restored, but might use universal rubber stops because of lowered suspension)
generator needs part overhaul (clean and cut back gaps on rotor, inspect/replace brushes, get a new shorter belt)
replace all 16 valve stem seals ( both rubber and silicone in stock) w/ engine in car and heads on.

I really don't have the time and funds at this time to tear the engine apart. It also runs nicely and has good compression, just oil consumption from crumbled stem seals. I made good efforts with replacing stem seals on my German Ford 4 banger last year ( Built a valve keeper tool). I Have a spare Y block head lying around, so I will try building a similar tool or using the sparkplug with an air pressure fitting.

Hugh, about frivolity.... remember this is a glass house wagon with at least 120 windows or so ( at least it feels airy like that :003:), so privacy in my longroof is somewhat limited.... :002: :003:
Anyway, I plan to take it on our annual seaside trip to Croatia ( about a 700mls roundtrip) in June !

There are a few other roadtrips this year that I might want to take out the 57 as well.
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2019-03-05 06:27
Hope you get it out more this year, I'm not getting out much with all the damn rain but at least things are turning green for a change and should make for a nicer ride when the time comes.
Just another old shade tree suggestion but rather then using air in the cylinders you can bring the piston down and feed some rope into the cylinder through the plug hole then bring the piston up and it makes a good solid stop for the valves, be sure to do it on the compression stroke when both valves are closed. I wonder if a valve spring compressor similar to the one used for flatheads would work?
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Post by: rmk57 on 2019-03-05 09:29
  I bought one of these a couple years back and love this tool. I had the old style that has the wheel on top, looks much like a puller and found it hard to use with higher spring pressures.
Thread it on to the stud, pull the handle and it over centres and rest is easy. Bought it from Amazon for around $50.00

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Post by: hiball3985 on 2019-03-05 09:36
Minor technicality, Y blocks don't have studs like Windsors or Chevy.

I'm sure G will come up with a home made  :003:
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2019-03-05 10:52
There is a trick I used when I did valve stem seals to keep valves in place. Take an 18 inch length of cotton rope, (3/8 in) and remove the spark plugs. With piston down low in the block, fed in the rope to the cylinder, until you have about 12-14 inches in or can't feed anymore. Slowly bring the piston up until it won't come up anymore, then procceed with the job. The valve isn't going anywhere.
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2019-03-05 10:54
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2019-03-05 06:27
Just another old shade tree suggestion but rather then using air in the cylinders you can bring the piston down and feed some rope into the cylinder through the plug hole then bring the piston up and it makes a good solid stop for the valves, be sure to do it on the compression stroke when both valves are closed. I wonder if a valve spring compressor similar to the one used for flatheads would work?

Gee Rich...guess I should have read all the comments before I posted mine! LOL!!! Wht's that they say about great minds and directions?   :003:
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2019-03-05 11:51
Quote from: mustang6984 on 2019-03-05 10:54
Gee Rich...guess I should have read all the comments before I posted mine! LOL!!! Wht's that they say about great minds and directions?   :003:
That was me not Rich  :003:
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2019-03-05 12:07
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2019-03-05 11:51
That was me not Rich  :003:

UGH! I seem to be coming apart at the seams today...sorry pisan. (so much for that "great" mind eh? LOL!!!
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2019-03-05 12:13
Quote from: mustang6984 on 2019-03-05 12:07
UGH! I seem to be coming apart at the seams today...sorry pisan. (so much for that "great" mind eh? LOL!!!
Maybe another cup of coffee  :003:
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2019-03-05 13:00
There's my problem...I don't drink coffee.
Actually I am sitting here working on the last of stuff for my accountant for my taxes. This year is rough, taxes for 3 states...AZ WA and MO. YUCK! Next year will be just WA & MO, then the following just MO> Life IS going to get easier...LOL!!!
At the same time I am trying to get all the stuff together I need to get a re-fi done on an apartment building here in MO so that we can get a home purchased out here now, and get moved in late September. Mind? WHAT mind? hehehehehe   :help1:
Good news is...if we are able to swing the property we're looking at...I can have a '57 Ford party! With 5 acres...more than enough room to park cars and enjoy! River runs behind the property too!  :003:
Just need to do the paper work...I HATE paper work!!!
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2019-03-05 16:50
I love this site ! great wealth of information here and I had never heard about the rope trick before. that new valve compressing tool is neat!
Jim, we don't have rocker studs in our Y blocks, but we have enough threaded holes for the rocker shaft bosses. Surely one could thread in a bolt or stud and use the tool. love the grip pliars makeshift tool ! lots to think about before I get going on the job.
I'll dig out one of my spare heads tomorrow and see if I can make up something.

Hugh, you either need to start drinking coffee or go to bed earlier...haha.... :002:
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2019-03-05 18:12
Probably not going to be going to bed any earlier. After 40 years of going to bed between 1 & 3 in the morning, just doesn't work. If I go to bed at 11:00 p.m. for instance, I wake up between 5 & 6. And being retired I have NO reason to be up that early. Besides, if I go to bed at my usual time, I get to watch what I want to on TV, or sit and read in peace and quiet while listening to some jazz on jazz24.org.
I do like coffee candies and ice cream...but have never been able to wrap my taste buds around coffee itself.
And...if I am up late at night...I get to see your posts on your car work right as you post them! BONUS!!!  :003: That way I can see what you are doing and if I have the same thing on my list...then I am set for the day! LOL!!!
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2019-03-06 05:01
that I understand, Hugh. I am also a late night person and not too much of morning bird. especially in winter, when it's cold and dark outside. easy to get up at 6 in summer though.
there is nothing better than listening to some sweet music in the late hours and dreaming of the ride you want to build the next day.... I think it doesn't matter if someone prefers to get up early or late, as long as you manage to get your work and business done. I prefer to do all my thinking on car projects in the evening hours (8 to 10 pm). thinking out stuff the day before, gives me a good head start the next day.
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2019-03-06 08:35
I'm from the other side of the planet I guess, I go to bed at 10pm and get up at 4am, thank God for automatic coffee pots so it's ready and I don't have to wait :003:
G, I made a tool many years ago for an emergency job with a broken valve spring. I took and old  rocker shaft and removed the rockers and just using the shaft and stands bolted it back on the head.
The tool hooked around the shaft. It actually looked worst than my drawing  :003:


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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2019-03-06 11:16
Perfectly understand your tool, Jim. good idea. if you are really stuck on the road, some length of heavy wire or even a few cable ties would do es well, together with a strong pry bar or car jack lever.
I came up with a good tool this afternoon, will post soon.
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2019-03-06 11:58
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2019-03-06 11:16
Perfectly understand your tool, Jim. good idea. if you are really stuck on the road, some length of heavy wire or even a few cable ties would do es well, together with a strong pry bar or car jack lever.
I came up with a good tool this afternoon, will post soon.
I'll look forward to seeing it. I still have the old shaft and stands, don't know what happened to the old tool but I'm sure I could make a new/better one today then the one I made in the 60's.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2019-03-06 15:22
that was too easy and quick! at least with the donor head on the bench. used the pry bar I made for the German Inline 4, grabbed a 5/16 UNC bolt , a dished thick shock absorber washer and a few shims and the pry anchor would nicely bolt in the rocker shaft threads.
prying the spring down, slightly hitting the retainer with a pointed hammer and fish the keepers with the magnet on my little scribe.

the rope is vintage but hopefully will work. of course it will be a little more difficult to slip it in on the engine in car, as the heads are angled upwards of course, rather than lying flat on the bench.

Jim and Hugh, if that trick really works out, I'll owe you a rootbeer float  ! :003:

I will run into problems on the rearmost exhaust valves, since the heater blower and brake m/c will be in the way of my pry bar. hopefully I will get around that with a few shims between pry bar and valve spring.

let's see how that will work in the car, probably shortly after Easter weekend.

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Post by: mustang6984 on 2019-03-06 16:31
Looks like a masterful solution to the challenge!  :003:  BTW....I love rootbeer floats. YUM!
I am seriously thinking about once I get fully settled here in MO bringing my car over there to do a European tour. Can't be any worse than Aussies and Kiwi's shipping their Mustangs up for Mustangs Across America. ANYTHING for free rootbeer float! LOL!!!
You coming Jim?   :006:
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Post by: Ecode70D on 2019-03-06 21:54
Günter
     That's a neat tool.   It's even better that it can be used on the Y block heads also.
      I have known about the rope trick, but have never had to use it because fortunately whenever I had to open Y valves in place, it was in the shop where I have air.  Seems like the only time I have had to do it was to replace the seals on customer cars.             
    I hope that you are keeping track of all the root beer floats that you owe. HA HA
Jay 
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2019-03-07 03:42
I will have to work a few weeks and earn a lot of money for all the root beer floats I owe you, Jay. You hold the high score for spoken rootbeer floats... :003: one or two more for Jim and Hugh won't matter any more....haha

I do have air in the shop, but will try the rope trick, just for the sake of it. I am sure it will work like Jim and Hugh say. it might even be faster than putting the air plug in, connecting hose, open the air valve , get engine to BDC or block crank pulley and all of that again for the 7 other cylinders. inserting and pulling the rope and turning the crank back and forth a tad sounds a bit quicker.

I hope that the 292 in the Countrysedan will really benifit from this repair. Maybe you all remember that I had to put a top oiler kit on it because of clogged oil passages. I can literally see the blue smoke from burnt valve train oil, when I open the oiler valve. when I close it the smoking stops. so some oil is being sucked in from the intake valves and blown out the exhaust valves. Most of the valve stem caps have hardened and some have even crumbled and gone missing (probably down in oil pan).

On my German Ford I have had huge improvement on how engine runs in idle and low rpm range with new valve stems. Although the Y block runs nicely, I think I have the carb set on the rich side due to the vaccuum leaks on all 8 intake valves. I hope to improve fuel economy along with less spark plug blackening. I am looking forward to get this job done, as this is something that I had been delaying and also kept me from driving the 57 more.
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2019-03-07 07:42
Thats excellent G  :003: I'll be there for the float. I hope the rope trick works for you, I used it a few times back in the old days when owning an air compressor was a luxury I didn't have.

Can the angle of the handle be changed to possibly fit under the master cylinder?
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2019-03-07 16:32
Jim, if I did cut my tool and reweld, it would go under the m/c. but the pssgr side is worse with the huge factory heater blower.
I'll cut some shim from 1/4" metal and grind it down bevel shaped. it will go inbetween the pry tool and the valve retainer. that way I will be shimming up and out the pry tool lever and hopefully gain enough travel to clear said items. luckily , the factory springs are not so hard to compress.
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2019-03-07 18:08
How about making it a handle with a hole drilled in it that would mount at different angles to the spring pry? You could bolt the handle to the desired angle and tighten it down. Just thought.
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2019-03-09 09:27
Maybe you could bend the handle backwards to clear the heater box?
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2019-03-09 13:42
Jim.....!!!!!!! What did you do ?? I just left you alone in the shop for a minute because I had to get the root beer floats from the fridge, and now you ruined my pry bar tool ???.....Why did you have to bend it....C'mon...!?! :002: :003:

Frankly speaking there is a much simpler solution hopefully. this is just a quick mock up, but shows how a stack of shims, or rather one wedge shaped thick shim will chane the angle of the tool handle and hopefully clear the heater and m/c.

There is really a lot of tension in that lower part of the tool and I would rather not cut and reweld it anymore. Also the pry tool is working nicely as is for the other 14 valves and on the German 4 cyl.

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Post by: hiball3985 on 2019-03-09 14:25
Well that just goes to show you I'm no help at all, and dangerous. Don't leave the door unlocked  :003:
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Post by: Ecode70D on 2019-03-10 12:25
Jim
     Shame on you!    What did you do to Günter's nice tool when he wasn't looking?
Jay
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2019-03-10 13:39
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2019-03-10 12:25
Jim
     Shame on you!    What did you do to Günter's nice tool when he wasn't looking?
Jay
I just bent it a little :005:, I'll go hide
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2019-03-10 15:33
Jim must be a magician. he bent that tool from 7000 miles away ! :003:

I have some very interesting trivia for those interested in model designation and especially wagons.
I purchased this excellent og. 55-57 chassis parts catalog from a gentleman in Oregon and it is nearly mint. I just love the addition to my all og 57 Ford manuals and brochure collection. upon closer inspection, there are some interesting details in this Sept. '56 issue.

First the 2dr (Deluxe) 300 Wagon is still missing its later 'Del Rio' designation.

Even more interesting the 4dr Country Sedan and Country Squire are listed as Fairlane 500 models !!!

:dontknow: :icon_cyclops_ani:

Of course we know that all wagons are based on Custom wheelbase chassis and Custom (300) trim.
I have never before seen the 4dr wagon models refered to a Fairlane 500!
Has any member here ever witnessed such a thing in brochures, let alone seen a Fairlane script on a wagon hood panel ?

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Post by: Ecode70D on 2019-03-10 15:38
Jim
     Do you remember the old days when we could buy a Craftsman tool form Sears, take home and really abuse it and then take it back?   They would give us a new one , no questions asked.
       In 1959 I clearly remember trying to remove the rear main seal bolts on the first Y block that I was rebuilding and I needed a 12 point socket.  We hammered a 6 point onto it and kept breaking sockets and bringing them back.  After about 4 of them, the clerk finally asked what we were doing and gave us a 12 point one. It worked like a charm.  I still have that socket after all these years.      Snap on had a good deal also.  The problem was that we had to wait until the truck came by the shop.

      Günter
Why don't you take the wrench back that Jim bent?   Maybe you can get a new one.
       
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Post by: Ecode70D on 2019-03-10 15:42
Günter
     Those Fairlane 500 wagons are very rare.    They should be worth a lot of money if you can find one.  Jay
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2019-03-10 16:05
here is another bit of 1957 Ford Trivia. A local Ford collector that I know for 20 yrs brought this German built 1957 Ford Taunus P2 over today. it is said to be the oldest surviving registered P2 Taunus in the world! (the P2 was the predecessor of my white P3 wagon. the taunus P2 was also officially sold by Ford America, but only a few thousand were imported).

kids were having fun and we decided we have an impromptu longroof party in the back of the property.  :003:
Interesting to compare the size and style of these 3 different Fords !

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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2019-03-10 18:19
All cool cars, and a cool catalog. I've got a hard to find body parts catalog that Zapato sent me just before he passed away. It's a small one though, maybe 6" x 9".
I've been telling guys for years Ford never made a Fairlane wagon in '57. What's your take on what you found in your catalog? short wheelbase, short tailfins,....they're Customs!
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2019-03-10 18:33
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2019-03-10 15:38
Jim
     Do you remember the old days when we could buy a Craftsman tool form Sears, take home and really abuse it and then take it back?   They would give us a new one , no questions asked.
       In 1959 I clearly remember trying to remove the rear main seal bolts on the first Y block that I was rebuilding and I needed a 12 point socket.  We hammered a 6 point onto it and kept breaking sockets and bringing them back.  After about 4 of them, the clerk finally asked what we were doing and gave us a 12 point one. It worked like a charm.  I still have that socket after all these years.      Snap on had a good deal also.  The problem was that we had to wait until the truck came by the shop.

      Günter
Why don't you take the wrench back that Jim bent?   Maybe you can get a new one.
     
Jay, In all my years of beating old craftsman tool I only have one socket crack and I returned it for an exchange. I bought all my Craftsmen back in the late 60's and still have and use them.
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2019-03-10 18:37
I like those little wagons, I've never seen one that I remember.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2019-03-10 18:48
Quote from: RICH MUISE on 2019-03-10 18:19
I've been telling guys for years Ford never made a Fairlane wagon in '57. What's your take on what you found in your catalog? short wheelbase, short tailfins,....they're Customs!

absolutely agree ! I had never seen that designation put on a 57 wagon before! it is obviously a very, VERY early issue as of Sept 1956, so was probably laid in print much earlier, possibly 1 or 2 months before, maybe even before the start of the actual model year production.
as we have seen with ashtrays, bench seat consoles aso, the many early/late 57 differences.
Maybe this is a possible explanaition for this weird nomenclature ?!?
Also, again - check the missing name for the upper model 2dr wagon ( later Del Rio).
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2019-03-22 18:15
The Country Sedan @ sunset. :001:

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Post by: mustang6984 on 2019-03-22 18:32
Nice. I am gonna ride in that sweet cruiser one day within the next couple of years. Need to get settled in my new place after moving 2000 miles...then the planning will begin. Already told the wife that my Courier and we are gong to tour Europe! She just smiled!  :003:
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Post by: CobraJoe on 2019-03-22 20:21
Love the sunset pic!  :glasses9:
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2019-03-22 22:12
very serene pic, Guenter. Especially after just watching tornado videos, lol.
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2019-03-23 09:04
Nice pictures G but it really needs some asphalt under the tires  :003:
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2019-06-02 07:54
got caught on camera yesterday at the local cruise night. first day out since the last sunset pics were taken. our 'spring' weather was that nasty this year.
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Post by: Jeff Norwell on 2019-06-02 07:55
Awesome G!
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2019-06-02 08:07
thx Jeff.
btw, if anyone was wondering. those are not the headlights, dim like on 6V.  Here in Europe we have to discard the sealed beams and are neither allowed to have white turn signals, nor amber driving lights in the shared driving light assemblies.
so those are small 4Watts driving light sockets included in the H4 headlight units.
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2019-06-02 08:23
Great to see you out on the road again. We have had the wettest spring I can remember here in Calif but the 57 doesn't complain, only me  :003:
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2019-06-02 09:03
Great to see the wagon out and about. Same here with the weather...........haven't gone 2 days without rain, and often heavy, for months.
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Post by: iamflashman on 2019-06-02 20:31
That is a nice looking wagon!  Love the color.
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2019-06-02 22:32
Quote from: iamflashman on 2019-06-02 20:31
That is a nice looking wagon!  Love the color.

I like the art work at the bottom of your signature line. How long did that take you to work out?  :003:
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2019-06-04 16:06
Good to see you back ....James (if I remember your name  correctly). I still see your brother and Dad occasionally. Were you one of the family members that took the 5000 mile (?) '57cruise last year?
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Post by: iamflashman on 2019-06-07 14:13
Yes.  I took my black ranch wagon on that one.  I just sold that black wagon to my brother in Amarillo so you might see it around.  Had to fund my Bermuda project.

I have been pretty much off of anything "social media" for years.  I am now crawling back out of my hole.

- James
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2019-07-04 16:41
summertime again and time for some late evening shadetree pics ! :003:

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Post by: mustang6984 on 2019-07-04 17:06
SWEET! I do like the looks of that 57. And was peering into the garage too. Seems like another piece of beauty sticking it's tail out the door.  :003:
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2019-07-04 17:14
Hugh. look closer. there are actually 3 tails. not all mine. Model 40s forever, if you know what that means  :002:!
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2019-07-25 03:47
parked under my neighbors arbor. straight out of the jungle... :003:
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Post by: rmk57 on 2019-07-25 10:52
  Isn't there a bit of a heat wave going on in most of Europe?
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2019-07-25 11:41
yes it is Randy. we had mid 90s today but western Europe (Germany France Spain) is said to climb way over 100 these days. this is real hot for Central Europe. then again it is summer, and I like it. it'll be getting colder soon enough.
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2019-07-25 13:51
Central Europe, the new So Calif. We are cooking too, my 57 doesn't have air  :005: Spending more time in my panel truck these days.
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Post by: Swank on 2019-07-25 16:17
Dropped all the way to 89F,  and down to only 44% humidity here in Louisiana last couple days, ....'bout having to throw on a jacket.  Good car fixin tempurature though.
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Post by: Tom S on 2019-07-26 03:09
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2019-07-25 11:41...we had mid 90s today but western Europe (Germany France Spain) is said to climb way over 100 these days.
I couldn't hack those 90 degree temps. We've had a fairly long spell where we were hitting mid 80s here.  Pretty much unheard of in this part of Alaska. Thought I was gonna melt.
This stuff is bad news for our coastal village areas up north.
And a river's water temps up there got so hot that hundreds of salmon were dying.
This is all very scary stuff for the far north & the Arctic. Many whales from northern Cali & all the way up the west coasts to here also died.  Probably still are.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2020-01-03 10:41
found a new addition to my 57 brochure collection, an og German sales brochure. I already had a mint unfolded one, never handed out to customers. but this is well used and folded (for posting). Love the subtle differences in layout, paper, color, detail aso between the US '56, German 57, and revised US '57 versions. even the size is different.

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Post by: mustang6984 on 2020-01-03 13:46
Old flyers/brochures are so cool to look at. Nice Gunther! Thanks for the share.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2020-02-17 15:56
Feb 17th and 60degrees outside ! that is unusual here. had to dust off the Ladies. Didn't make it for a drive, but the 57 sure started up like a charme. and of course - the usual heavy fuel pump leaking. after retightening the bowl nut it went away soon I believe it is this rubber/compound gasket.

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really enjoying the sight of the 57 out of the garage. it looks so good outside.
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Post by: CobraJoe on 2020-02-17 16:01
Nice....and the grass is still green!
It's been a pretty warm winter here too. I started up the '57 yesterday and took it for a ride around the block and put it up on the lift, still hate to drive with salt on the roads.
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2020-02-17 16:16
looking great outside, DJ. Joe, I thought you guys were having a bad winter again?? seems like everytime I watched the national weather, there was a storm headed your way. Nice here this past weekend also, so i Got mine out as you know..780 miles, lol.
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Post by: CobraJoe on 2020-02-17 16:26
Bad winter Rich? My snow plow is sitting in the garage, it hasn't been used once.
We did get 6" of snow right after Thanksgiving, but I was in western NY hunting, so I missed it. (not complaining) I know we are not out of the woods yet, but hopefully we actually have a Spring this year.
Actually, all of the snow has been Northern & Western MA.

Hey, at least it's still clean!

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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2020-02-17 17:15
haha. guys... Glad you got to make a long trip already Rich ! Great to hear that you already took the 57 for a spin, Joe. From what I hear Mass winters can be a drag.... For me, winter is ok when it's white and skiing and things. cold and dirty and salty city winter I don't want. for me it's time to wake up and go out. a huge relief to be working outside today. I know winter's not done yet. but at least I got some things accomplished on my favorite cars !
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2020-05-07 14:26
these days, when we are not supposed to take our classic cars out, we need to make good use of them instead. Ole workhorse. V8. sturdy frame and hitch. what more could we ask for ?  :003:

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Post by: mustang6984 on 2020-05-07 14:35
As long as it doesn't scratch the paint. I used to use my RX-7 to pull the drag around the infield before practice, horrified the women playing on my fastpitch team. LOL!!! Made the car dusty...but no harm. An hour at home with the wash bucket and she was fine.   :003:
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2020-05-07 14:46
shouldn't have become cars in the first time if they weren't to be used ... :003:
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Post by: CobraJoe on 2020-05-07 15:15
↑  :occasion14:
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Post by: fdlrc on 2020-05-07 15:37
Now that's putting a wagon to good use!
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Post by: Ecode70D on 2020-05-07 18:02
Guenter
   I approve of your nice yard truck.   
Jay
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2020-06-08 05:14
another HD job for the yard truck !  :003:

( had to move the 53 Linc out of the bushes, where I had pushed her in a hurry some weeks ago, the old tarp is simply for keeping grass from growing under the car, there is no leaking engine or trans in the car).

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I think those 2 are becoming fast friends ! Gotta move the 57 back into the garage or there will be baby Lincolns, soon.  :002: That would be 55 Merc Wgons then ?! as long as theyre not Pinto wagons...anyways :003:

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Post by: CobraJoe on 2020-06-08 14:44
Quite the collection you got going there DJ, I'm a little jealous.  :steeringwheel:
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2020-06-08 19:06
Lincoln...your's or a customers? Plans?
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2020-06-09 04:32
Actually both Rich. the car is basically mine. We are preparing this car as an open air theatre stage decoration. 'West Side Story' was scheduled for this summer at the second biggest lake in Austria, but obviously everything is canceled or rather postponed to next year.
I will blend the paint and reinforce the lid and roof, so actors can get on top of it. This may sound rude, and it is. But, the lid and roof have been damaged before and this car has seen no love in more than 25 yrs. I have been knowing about it for that time and actually first saw it in 1998/99 or so. It wasn't properly stored and all of the owners disassembled and removed parts from it, which made it a cadidate prone to crushing. Nobody is going to 'restore' a 4dr Lincoln. the parts prices are insane !!!
BUT! Of course we did not purchase it to send it for scrap metal. I love the proportions and design of those 52-56 Lincolns. It also doesn't matter that the roof will get jumped upon, because I am not planning on keeping it original... :002: :003:
I have been looking for a good candidate to 'restyle' for years. I wanted a 'big' car for that and of course Lincoln being a FoMoCo brand helps. but of course this project is on the backburner. I am in no hurry at all.
The Lincoln is 98% rust free except for a small spot on the drivers floorboard. solid rockers, door bottoms, quarter panels aso  so its really a great foundation. btw I chose a 4dr on purpose. I did a little rough playing on the computer ( excuse my terrible rendering). Should I put this in the offtopic section ?



Quote from: RICH MUISE on 2020-06-08 19:06
Lincoln...your's or a customers? Plans?
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Post by: terry_208 on 2020-06-09 11:38
I like the second rendering best.  I'll bet a slight sectioning on it would look great also.  Take 2" out of the mid section, say about the level of the chrome spear, would drastically change the appearance.  I know my preferences would not suit everyone's idea of good.
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2020-06-09 11:46
I just want to know what program you used!
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2020-06-09 12:06
Seems like Photoshop is the go-to nowadays. That would be an awesone, but ambitious project, Gunter. I love your wrap around reshaping of the A-pillar, and the rear fender treatment. With all that work though, why not convert to a 2 door. I realize car guys in countries other than US are not as reluctant to use a 4 door as we are here.
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2020-06-09 12:13
I have Photoshop...unless it has been radically changed...that isn't what this was built in.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2020-06-09 12:54
No Hugh, this was terrible old ms paint. horrible quality pic, but it was just to figure out some proportions, shouldn't have posted this, it's embarassing. :005:

Rich, like I stated I chose a 4dr ON PURPOSE. I know that many people are building 2drs from cheap 4dr sedans. not my intention. Of course this car was cheap, but I always wanted to build a 4dr HT with a swoopy chop and roof flow. it is also thought of as a 'cruiser' kind of car where you can pile in 6 people and take them for a drive. I know that this is overly ambitious, and I really only want to try some decent metal work on the roof and body and there is not much to lose on this car.

I used the backlite glass for the front (on the computer). Hardened glass will be a problem in reality.

Terry, that is a good point you have, there are some sweet sectioned Shoebox Fords out there and they have a dramatic look to them.
At this point I am not thinking about getting that deeply involved though. I have also no intention to finish this car , ie in totally weatherproofing roll up windows, paint job, full interior etc. It's purely thought of as a testbed for my metal working skills when time allows.
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2020-06-09 13:29
Looks pretty good for MS Paint! Nothing to be ashamed of!   :glasses9:
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Post by: Jeff Norwell on 2020-06-25 07:19
Beautiful G!....  you have the vision AND the talent!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2020-09-04 16:09
Spent some maintainance time on the Country Sedan for bi annual safety inspection. Got the rear brake shoes and wheel cyl/s replaced ( bonded linings were peeling off, as mentioned in other safety topic). Got the leaky (makeshift) fuel bowl seal replaced with the correct copper strainer and cork gasket ( NORS). No leaking at startup anymore. also got the idler arm seals replaced and everthing greased well including lubing the rear leaf springs. got inspected and ticked off with minor complaints ( crumbling of replacement rubber bushings). good to go until July 2022  :003:

At a side note we got new red inspection stickers. they are remeniscing of the early 1970s when the red inspection stickers became mandatory on annual vehicle inspection. I love my plates.... :001:

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Swank on 2020-09-05 22:43
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2020-06-09 12:54
I chose a 4dr ON PURPOSE.  it is also thought of as a 'cruiser' kind of car where you can pile in 6 people and take them for a drive.

Thats exactly my thinking on my town sedan.   Well. That and i didnt want to mess up a tudor being the first car ive taken completely apart.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2020-09-20 13:18
today I had a scary moment with throttle stuck wide open on the Holley 2bbl carb. I have posted it in this topic to warn everybody about hazardous carb problem. please respond at that topic:

http://57fordsforever.com/smf/index.php?topic=8391.0 (http://57fordsforever.com/smf/index.php?topic=8391.0)

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Guys, this is a heads up warning for those who still use an oem or similar 2100 Holley 2bbl carb on their Y blocks.
Today my throttle got stuck wide open twice before I actually knew what was going on. Luckily this happened upon cold start 
and not on the road or in gear. I hope that I did not kill my old Y block as I have never hear that chunk of iron scream that badly...wow...scared to death.
Here is what happened. Please everybody check your accelerator pump 'pushrod' linkage screw and fast idle cam.

there is an adjustable hex screw with spring and shoulder nut below the throttle arm and accelerator pump lever. usually this works as a throw limiting system so when the pump reaches its full stop and the throttle gets opened a little more, the spring will make up for that.
On my carb the screw completely backed out of the shouldered nut, letting it slip to the side and the nut and spring got wedged between the pump lever and throttle arm, so that the throttle and arm got jammed on the plastic fast idle cam.

you would think that it is impossible to happen, but it did twice before I knew where  it actually bound... even though I checked everything the first time. I did not see that loose hex screw because the whole assembly was still in place, but would wedge it self and throttle in wide open at random situation.

I did safety lock it with blue Loctite now and car still runs well again. I thought it must have thrown a rod immediately upon startup.

Everybody please check their fast idle cams and acc pump levers and linkage, NOW !

Be safe !

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2020-09-21 13:02
can't believe that I am actually driving this thing daily again !
wow, how I missed that....got 2-1/2 more months to go before winter steps in. and I filled her up quite well. FULL that is ! :003:

ready to GO ! :burnout:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: CobraJoe on 2020-09-21 14:29
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2020-09-28 04:17
yesterday the weather was nice enough to take the CS on a little short 35 miles cruise around the hills around town. As mentioned in another topic, I am always surprised by the great suspension our 57 Fords have. Maybe lowering helps a bit, but the frontend feels extremely solid and steady ( again, compared to other cars of the period). And again and again I am surprised how quick this old 292 is from 40 to 70mph. She really pulls nicely ! obviously this is the best rpm range for torque when the 3spd Fordomatic kicks back into 2nd at 40mph and she will actually never let go of second up to 70. I am not racing this old wagon but sure is a lot of fun of opening up the throttle on empty countryroads, compared to 'traffic light parking' in town. :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2020-11-01 16:30
wow, already November !!! and no sun.... !

Not the ideal time of the year for cruising, but I got the '57 out for a 20 mile distance cruise around town anyways. Actually not that cold outside ( 50s F), but nice to have the heater on. Really cozy inside. add some nice Rocking 1950s tunes....what you want more ? Life can be good distancing (sometimes....).
I am still amazed how well the factory '57 heater controls work. sure enough I lubed the cables and replaced the vaccuum and water valves. it can be adjusted with 1 finger. supersmooth. ( I have other vintage cars, where it seems you need to grab the heater adjust with both hands to actually move it)
the '57 vacc/water valve setup might seem a bit complicated at first. But it really works very well. it's nearly as accurate as an electronic temperature control. only that it is fully mechanical and doesn't need sensors and electronic box. no ugly plastic air vents either!  :003: I love it !
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2020-11-03 08:12
I'm glad you are diving it around, I hope to have mine out today and burn off some old fuel. I love the heater in mine, works perfectly but I won't need it today, close to 90 today and tomorrow. Mine is a the really simple version that doesn't use any vacuum, it has a thermocouple that regulates the heat. I got it from Jay :001: and used a new core.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2020-11-03 17:14
yeah Jim, glad to hear that you will be getting the Ranchero out ! That's what cars are made for.  :001:
Maybe you are not familiar with the factory 57 heater set up and the vaccuum valve also has a thermostatic (spring loaded) device to adjust temperature. I think they only added the vacc valve for easier operation without breaking your fingers or arms. works well !  :003:

I still have the original heater core in it, date stamped March 1957 !
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2020-11-05 07:54
Well I didn't get far with the Ranchero drive, I ran into my friend with the wagon and we spent to much time talking :003: I' m going out today again, still have half a tank to burn off. I'm familiar with the vacuum control valve but I prefer mine, the less vacuum lines the better in my opinion :002: and the heater controls work effortlessly. I decided to replace the core while I had it apart because I blew a heater core back in the late 60's on a return trip from Las Vegas going through the desert in the winter, the windows fogged so fast I couldn't see anything and this was at 90 mph :005: I had to quickly roll the window down and stick my head out to see and  slow to find a place to stop on the side of the road. Back then Nevada had no speed limits :003:.

I forgot to post my comment on the flathead build, thats was just beautiful work :001: Do you have any problem finding people to do the machining on a flathead in your neck of the woods?
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2020-11-05 17:27
Mine was also leaking onto the new carpet within 2 weeks of assembly... luckily it started slowly and was just the rubber seal and rotted out water valve neck.  Agree with your concerns on vacc lines. I replaced all hoses and luckily everything works very well, including the double action fuel pump AND wipers.
that must have been a horrible situation with the window fogging. They probably cut down on the speed limit, because too many heaters would bust at high rpms and coolant pressure..... :002: :003:

Concerning the Flathead, yes there are machine shops that CAN do the work, but it is much safer to do as much as you can by yourself or/and assist the shop with knowledge, dimensions, torque specs. luckily the bores and bearing areas were pretty good on this one and I did the cross hone, valve lapping aso myself. Also did all the mic measuring and plastigauge myself. The engine was cobbled together form several others and the other mechanic messed it up pretty good ( metal shavings in the oil, sealant remnant in bearing feeds, mixed up rods and caps, mismatched valve guides aso...the list is too long) so I didn't trust it a bit and basically blueprinted the engine. Not for excessive power but for reliability. You probably know exactly what I mean anyways.... :001:
the block is pretty much crack free and I chose iron heads on purpose. I didn't want to mess with those old corroded finned heads. Hopefully this will last for a long time.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2020-11-07 12:13
You did a really nice job on the bores :001:I thought they were new done by a shop, thats why I asked. From the amount and quality of the work you did I'm sure it will run for a long time :burnout:

I don't think Nevada changed the speed limit until the mandatory national 55 mph went into effect and ruined all the fun  :005: I haven't been to Nevada in years and a friend of mine got stopped for speeding a few years back and got an environmental ticket for wasting fuel, I don't know what the law is today?
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: terry_208 on 2020-11-07 20:07
A few years back, I got a speeding ticket in Nevada. It was not an environmental ticket.  I don't go more than 8 over the limit there, Usually closer to 4 over the limit.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2020-11-08 11:45
Quote from: terry_208 on 2020-11-07 20:07
A few years back, I got a speeding ticket in Nevada. It was not an environmental ticket.  I don't go more than 8 over the limit there, Usually closer to 4 over the limit.
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2021-02-28 14:46
spring is nearly here, so time to get her out for a little cleaning.

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2021-03-28 08:06
Happy, Happy Birthday Baby .....!

Happy 64th !

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: 1930artdeco on 2021-03-28 09:14
Happy birthday Guenter. And that is one sweet ride you have-the color is really nice as well. I am not much for browns (the 70?s did me in) but it looks really really good in that combo.  Slowly getting to know Betty now and see what she is/was.

Mike
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: 57chero on 2021-03-28 10:56
djfordmanjack,

If you go to the Portland, Oregon Craigslist for sale and put in 1957 ford and go all the way to the bottom you will find the twin to your wagon, pretty close anyway.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: terry_208 on 2021-03-28 12:55
She's two days older than mine!  Hope you're doing well G!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: lalessi1 on 2021-03-28 13:08
Happy Birthday to your sweet ride! Mine was born on May 7th.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2021-03-28 14:59
Couldn't find it, but there are a lot of sweet cars for sale in that area !

Quote from: 57chero on 2021-03-28 10:56
djfordmanjack,

If you go to the Portland, Oregon Craigslist for sale and put in 1957 ford and go all the way to the bottom you will find the twin to your wagon, pretty close anyway.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2021-03-28 15:02
Ha ! Yeah I seem to rememember, Terry, we talked about this a few years ago.

Quote from: terry_208 on 2021-03-28 12:55
She's two days older than mine!  Hope you're doing well G!

Good for you Lynn, your Lady's a lot younger than our two old sisters here !....hahah....

It's warming up here so I might take her out for a birthday cruise this week !
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Tom S on 2021-03-28 15:51
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2021-03-28 14:59
Couldn't find it, but there are a lot of sweet cars for sale in that area !
"Few local results found. Here are some from nearby areas. Checking 'include nearby areas' will expand your search."
https://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/cto/d/yelm-1957-ford-country-sedan/7294554604.html
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2021-03-28 16:08
There it is ! ( Welcome back Tom, btw !)
not too bad, and a very fair price for a running driving registered wagon !
Although it is a bit rough in some spots. When you know these cars, it is obvious there are going to be some extensive repairs needed on the body.
I think Mike's inca gold CS has a much better body.

I can't believe that the guy now has the maroon black Del Rio. That car has been around a lot for a while....all over the place...From Cali to FL to SF/CA and now in WA. :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2021-07-04 05:52
It has been ages that my Country Sedan has been in the waiting queue.
Although it has a valid inspection sticker, I havent licensed her since Nov 2020 due to pandemic restrictions.
Time to get some smaller things adressed.
the tailgate lock was somewhat stuck and wouldn't lock but I got that freed up with some fiddling and oil.
Finally got around to mount the CS emblem that I got from Contibob. Perfectly fits the wagon! Not too shiny and not too rough. Just a nice old original Ford part.  :001:
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and started on replacing the door seals. Quite a lot of work to remove the old sticky and crumbling stuff. For replacement I am using self adhesive industrial foam band, that is made from natural rubber and waterrepellant. it is 15x15mm square which is roughly 19/32" and nicely seals. after a day or 2 it settles and doors can be shut without slamming.  total cost is $50 for all 4 drs.  :003:

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2021-07-04 08:20
Nice work Gunter. What did you use to get the old dried adhesive cleaned off without damaging the paint? When the time comes around to get to drive it, let us know how your replacement seal works out as far as wind noise. The wind noise was driving me nuts in my car, so I tried adding an additional small seal to the door jamb in the upper area at the window frame area...almost totally got rid of the noise  :002:
Thanks for posting
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2021-07-04 15:46
thx Rich. I can't say enough how well this stuff works for me. Not original in appearance, but the cheapest product with the best result imho.
yesterday both rear doors with fresh rubber needed pushed shut with 2 hands (like replacement rubber would for months). I let them settle over night, today they will close under their own spring load, with that new-car-like 'ooomph' sound. the good thing is the stuff will stay compressed to gap size, but still has 1/8 or so of rebound to properly seal again. so it basically aligns to the gap with plenty of sealing force left. the material is usually used on construction machinery, vent doors, tractor canopies, machinery housing aso.

I have yet to do the front doors and I see the area you are talking about. the particular shape of our door glass frames obviously makes it a difficult thing to properly seal. Good thing - like you I previously used thinner (1/4") industrial rubber band on top of the old frt dr seals and it sealed perfectly against rain and noise. We'll see how the thick rubber will do on its own. Before putting on new seals, I have to adress and seal some surface rust in the lower door seal channels. ( not visible but I want the doors to last).

For seal removal I use a trusty old scraper with rounded off and dull corners and edges. it works pretty well. then I use a razor blade scraper for the crusty and dry og contact cement ( only on flat surfaces) and finally paper towels soaked in industrial laquer thinner. the paint in the doors and jambs is all original and quite thick so I got the glue and remnants off without damaging or scraping the paint. it is very shiny underneath and a bright colonial white.

Will post about the upper door areas.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2021-07-14 09:29
quite some things going on with my CS lately. finished the door seals, and I still need to adjust the pssgr frt door hinges and latch, which have been out of alignment for decades obviously. Also I pulled the rocker assemblies and sucessfully did the old rope trick for valve stem seals replacement.Thx to Jay and Jim for their ideas! While at it I also pulled the oil pan for some not-so-nice findings, but managed to reassemble everything with a little more oil pressure gain.
Seems she is doing fine, as we made a neat 80 car rod run this weekend. Pretty steep 3000 ft climb in summer without overheating or brake trouble. Hats off to the old lady ! :001:

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Rancher on 2021-07-14 11:06
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2021-07-14 09:29
While at it I also pulled the oil pan...

That's a pretty good "while at it"  :003:

Right up there with: "I thought I'd check a wrist pin a minute." lol

Hats off to you for your progress.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2021-07-17 14:41
and again and again and again....one out of 3 stop light switches....about the magic number rate in todays spare parts.
I had to replace one that I had replaced hardly 1000 miles and a few years back. So I tried the MACs thingy, and luckily bench tested it before. and it wasn't even closing the circuit at 135 ps, even though the tag said 75-80 psi. So I patted it with a sledgehammer, hoping it would come apart and show its innerts. which it didnt.
so the one in car for a short period was massaged with a grinder. beautiful cheap copper, points burnt . oh well.
next one. will probably last another year or so. at a lack of words, really.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Rancher on 2021-07-17 17:04
May have to switch the lamp load via relay, huh?
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2021-07-18 04:40
That would be a solution, but it makes you wonder how these cars could get away with their old oem switches for more than half a century... and nowadays seems impossible to produce anything half decent to last a year or so. I think many of you can relate to my anger.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2021-07-18 05:37
Pictures ! (and stories) :002:

So the old rope trick worked well and all valve stem seals were replaced, many of which had crumbled before. I made a mushroom shaped anchor that threads into the rocker stand holes and used my 'custom-built' (cobbled together old box wrench) lever. :003:


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Then it was time to pull the pan and remove decades of crud and coal build up still in the engine, even though I had thoroughly cleaned and flushed it many times. good thing the pick up screen was all free and there was little to no water in the sludge, so the pan didnt suffer any corrosion. also the pickup tube was all good , no cracks, so on with my search for lost oil pressure.
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same procedure all the time, cutting open the filter for inspection. good thing, no metal debris, just the typical crud and coal from decades past.

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So on with jacking up the crank and inspecting and plastigauging the mains using a new set of bearings on the lower half.

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Here it comes..... pure ugliness. faint hearted forum members may not want to look any further into this post.... :005: :003:
URGHS....

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but.....proving my assumption. this is the original, unopened engine to my wagon. mains stamped 2/57 - matching my 2/57 engine build code and the March assembly date of the 57CS.

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So after sitting down depressed for 2 hrs. I was checking my options and a friend of mine told me to use the new bearing set I have for the spare project engine, I have been collecting parts for 10 years or so.
Well. not wanting to sacrifice that nice NORS Fed Mogul set on a driver quality engine. It got me thinking which block they were intended for. the 61 truck 292 project engine, with a turned down 312 crank. but the og 292 crank still being available and nice !
So I was looking through my parts stash and found said main bearings from the truck engine, all nice and within factory specs. Just needed a little cleaning and they would go into the worn CS engine in car. and I have a spare crank with oem specs journals as a spare for later !

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So, in they go with plenty of cam lube and torqued and buttoned up. The engine now has better oil pressure ( 50 cold and at least 15 when warm and idling). What I observed is, that the og 1957 bearings had an incredibly thin white metal lining. so they pretty soon started scorching the journals. I could not find any remnants of copper on the og main bearings. I think they were of poor design. The later bearings were stamped 10/60 ( came out of my 1961 truck 292), and they have a very thick layer of white metal, with what seems to be copper compound inbetween the bearing metal and steel shell.

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personalized plates back on car.
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Finally some more seal scraping, sealing some surface rust on lower doors and putting in new door seals.
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2021-07-18 15:24
All well done G  :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2021-07-18 16:27
Thanks for sharing.........nice job all around as Jim said.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2021-07-18 16:35
Jim and Rich, thx !
It's fun getting going on the 57 again. :003:
drove it nearly every day last week. Almost had forgotten how neat a driver our 57s make ! :001:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ecode70D on 2021-07-18 21:37
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2021-07-18 16:35
Jim and Rich, thx !
It's fun getting going on the 57 again. :003:
drove it nearly every day last week. Almost had forgotten how neat a driver our 57s make ! :001:

    Günter
    For the most part those heads were not filled up with the usual sludge and that's good.. I do like your spring compression tool. It saves a lot of time. The rope trick really does work and saves from filling the cylinders with compressed air.  I'll bet that those valve seals were hard as rocks.  It's good that you replaced them. When they get like that, they are not doing their job.  In the 50s we only paid a few dollars for bearing inserts.  Now they are way up there. Couple that with the fact that you are doing that job over there and you would have more problems coming up with valve inserts.  This is all the more reason that you have given it a lot of thought before throwing out used parts. You were able to use what you had and they passed the plastigage  test. I'm happy that you thought this project through and put some new life into your Y block.  I expect it to be around for a long time to come. Jay
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2021-07-19 04:06
Thanyk you Jay !
Sometimes we have to make do with what we have before the situation totally escalates and another car is left in the restoration bay for years....
Not saying it is a perfectly nice repair, but she may be good for the road for several more years.
Like I said many times before, the engine really pulls nicely and still has plenty of power for hauling my stuff around. And I do like the Y block sound. :001:

I may have forgotten to mention that, in my last post, but all the connecting rod bushings that I opened up were super nice ( one of them pictured above) and the cyl bores didn't look too shabby. at least there doesnt seem to be any glazing and some hone pattern is still visible.
Also while the rocker assemblies were off I checked all pushrods and they all look nice ( of course I put them back in their respective place). I also wiggled the cam up and down and back an forth and it has very little play. the timing chain of course has some slack, but not too bad and the timing gear sprockets look good. I don't think this type of chain could ever break ( in normal street use). So it was good to see and observe all this things in person, which gives some peace of mind.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ecode70D on 2021-07-19 13:34
Günter
    That was smart cutting open the oil filter.  It's even better to know that there were not any metal partials inside of it.
    Those doors look nice in the pictures.  Did you have to do any metal work on them?  That's a nice simple way to install rubber
seals around them. I promise you that the door will not be complaining if the seals are original or not.
     The inner door panels look nice also.
  You can expect that car to be around for a long time and I personally feel that the engine is going to just keep on running nicely
    Did you replace the rear seal while you had it opened ? 
   
Jay     
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2021-07-19 14:09
Jay, I did inspect the rear rope seal, when I replaced the rearmost main bearings, and the rope seal still looked very good. so I did not even try to replace with modern poor quality.
It does leak a few drops, but minimal. when the engine is driven. its a little more in winter when the car is garaged for a long time. There is a drip pan below my car and its hardly 4 or five drops after an extended drive. most of which is coming from the road draft tube.
I did not do any welding to the lower door sections at all. there were just very minor rust pittings /small holes and I removed some of the seal channels, beacuse they were loose. If somebody wanted to restore the 57CS it would just be a few hours of taking them back to solid metal and minor bodywork. Since I am not planning on restoring this particular car, I just left it all alone and rather emphasized on keeping it all original, including the all og paint in the door jambs and inner door areas. I feel that on this particular car keeping it as og as possible is the way to go. It's a 100k SF Bay one owner survivor in my favorite color combo, so that's good enough for me ! :003:
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Post by: travis20 on 2021-07-25 11:51
Dj Im dave from carver with the red  and white Ranchreo
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: terry_208 on 2021-07-25 14:52
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2021-07-19 14:09
Jay, I did inspect the rear rope seal, when I replaced the rearmost main bearings, and the rope seal still looked very good. so I did not even try to replace with modern poor quality.
It does leak a few drops, but minimal. when the engine is driven. its a little more in winter when the car is garaged for a long time. There is a drip pan below my car and its hardly 4 or five drops after an extended drive. most of which is coming from the road draft tube.:003:

If it were me I might have been tempted to do the old trick of taking a small drift and sinking it into the sides of the top half of the seal.  Then taking pieces of another seal and filling the small hole.  This tightens the seal and hopefully stops the seepage. 
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Post by: fdlrc on 2021-07-27 14:44
DJ,
I really like the pics of the cars and the detailed explanation of your engine work. Question: you mentioned cleaning the coal from your oil pan, I take it you are referring to sludge or is it something else? Thanks for answering the dumb question of the day.
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2021-07-27 16:13
With gas at 9.00 plus a gallon over there in Austria, DJ might just have figured out how to convert to coal, lol.
Probably just a translation difference, although DJ's English is better than 95% of us.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2021-07-29 03:34
Sorry guys, lost in translation probably. May even be a term that I picked up from crazy Australians or British guys.... yes, we do refer to carbon build up in engine/combustion chamber/exhaust as to 'coal'. because thats what it actually looks like and is. My bad though! 
you couldnt really call the residue in the oil pan, sludge. I think. it did not contain any water at all. It was a mix of sticky and nearly grease weight old oil mess ( parafin ?), containing lots of smaller carbon particles (maybe 1/32 to 1/16 size). Most of that got filtered out with frequent oil and filter change ( found a lot of that when cutting open used filters). But obviously the stuff trapped in that thick greasy stuff in the bottom of the oil pan would never come out again except with a scraper.
Well thanx Rich, very flattering, but I know that nobody can learn a second language so well that he could ever make up with a native speaker. Listen to Arnold. He's been over there for 50+ years, and he is good. But....  :002: :003:

Hello Dave, nice to know you are also here on the forum !
One time I would love to fly over again and meet all of you guys at the Friday cruise or somewhere else !

Terry, I did something similar for the rope seal, I did drive it in a little with a small drift, and then sealed the gap with natural rubber sealant.
So far it seals quite well and there are just a few drops after an extended drive. I would not expect a 60 y o engine to be tht super dry underneath.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2021-07-29 10:52
The stuff in the pan was typical of engines from the 50's and early 60's that ran oils like Quaker Sludge as we called it :003: but all of the oils did it and a lack of regular oil changes and too low engine temps all contributed. I spent countless hours scraping the crap off engines before the machine shop would even except them to put in their HOT tanks  :005:.

Off topic but congratulations to the solo Austrian women who kicked ass over all the top team bicycle riders in the road race..
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2021-07-29 10:56
Quaker State and Pennzoil are the worst oils out there for leaving sludge in your engines/pans. They come from oil fields in the Penn State area that have a very high content of natural paraffin.

(I worked in the oil field in my 21st year on this planet...amazing the things you learn and retain when younger...some useful...some...well... :glasses12: )
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ford Blue blood on 2021-08-05 08:26
The one thing I have learned over the years is many of us don't "heat soak" the drive trains as often as they should be.  Short trips to the cruise ins and to the store just add moisture to the parts and it remains.  Heat soaking drives out the moisture and helps prevent acid from forming.  I tell most of the "newbees" to the old car world I meet and discuss things with that they should do a 100 mile round trip at least once a month to keep things fresh.

The other thing I do is paint all the cast iron on the inside of the engine with glyptal (sp?) to assist with oil drain back.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2021-08-05 16:05
yes Bill.
Usually I at least paint the oilpan inside on rebuilt engines. makes cleaning a lot easier and no chance for rust.
It nearly hurts driving old cars around town for extended periods, maybe even stop and go only. Always feels much better to stretch their legs at 65+ on the Autobahn!  :003:

Hardly start a vehicle just to move them around except for dry summer days. Usually I try to warm up the engine fully, especially in damp cold weather conditions.
I have to say that usually the oil in my engines is quite ok. Since I changed the oil in the 57 and have driven it for 200 miles or so, the dispstick now still shows clear fresh oil, So it seems I have gotten rid of most of the residue and sludge in the engine by now. it starts and runs very nicely.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: 1930artdeco on 2021-08-05 18:12
Hi DJ,

What chemical did you use to clean out the oil pan? I know scrape and remove the large chunks but did you use anything like kerosene to clean the screen to the pump? I have to do that on mine soon.

Mike
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2021-08-06 03:48
Mike I usually use industrial paint thinner (terpentine or enamel based thinner) and then rinse the precleaned ( with brush and scraper and rags) pan with brake cleaner ( spray can). that works well for me and the brake cleaner removes trapped dirt from the tight creases. Since this oil pan is og to the 57 engine, it has sort of a baffle plate, about 1/2" or so above the flat part of the pan ( rear). I needed to bend a coat hanger and certain other wires to scrape that hidden area. a lot of dirt came out of there. It appears as if this baffle should help in draining back oil from the rear main seal, and still allowing the splash from the crank and rods draining back over the baffle.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: 1930artdeco on 2021-08-06 15:51
Thank you. I saw the baffle and wonder if it will pop out like the A's do but I have not looked closely at it. Right now I am trying to get the pinion gear back in, I just have to line everything up correctly.

Mike
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2021-08-07 03:35
No it is spot welded in place.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2021-08-07 15:57
another round of flushing radiator and block.
The coolant looked sore, so here we go. it's interesting how much loose debris and rust particles come washed out with all the citric acid and pressure washing treatment. Showing how much stuff is trapped inside the cooling circuit.

Look Jim, we caught some cheese bugs again... :003:

It was also mandatory to get the car on the lift and drain the lower block rails with engine running and fresh water fed to the radiator filler neck. Water coming from the lower drain cocks is great news because usually on Flatheads and Y blocks all the lower channels of the block are clogged with sand, rust and sediment.

beautiful green coolant now after 100 miles.


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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2021-08-07 18:51
Great catch on the cheese bugs  :occasion14:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2021-08-18 16:14
some good news here. Took the 57 for getting groceries downtown on Monday. even though it was nearly 90degrees, the temp gauge never moved over the 160 thermostat spot (that I marked while having an actual temp gauge in car). even in stop and go and at Drive In.
It also keeps the idle oil pressure just a tad higher because of lower oil temps. this looks promising.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2021-08-18 21:36
 :crowd:
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2021-08-19 08:49
Great! drive the wheels off of it  :burnout:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2021-11-23 05:00
My, how time flies bye !
It seems I just started driving it, and now season is all over again. I didn't take her to a single show this year (except for the one day rod run, which was mainly driving around)...all canceled for the bug. But I did drive occasionally and use it for getting groceries and such. Last Sunday afternoon took her out for a $5 dinner to the McDonalds Drive in...she is cheap :003:. That's it for this year. days are getting shorter and colder quickly so I 'll have the registration suspended for the next 5 months or so. I am turning in the plates today. See ya next year baby ! :002:

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: gasman826 on 2021-11-23 07:29
Please explain the registration, plates, and 'turning in' process.  I have authentic plates (original year of manufacture plates) which are life-time registration with the state (only $35).  I usually remove the road coverage insurance during the storage period to save a few bucks.  I haven't removed road coverage so far this year because I am still moving cars around in my trailer.  Under my policy, the car needs road coverage when moved by truck or trailer.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2021-11-23 08:39
Besides putting the car away for the winter I heard on the news ( and you know how reliable that is  :005:) that Austria was shutting down again because of the bug and making the vaccine mandatory?? Mine might be seeing less miles this winter too due to the price of fuel  :005:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2021-11-23 15:55
Gary and Jim, we have a somewhat different federal system on the plates, as none stay with the car. They always have to be turned in if a car is not registered. Now, my collector cars do stay registered, but there is a rule that permits suspending the road insurance for a maximum of 12 month, but we have to put the car papers and plates into storage at the insurance office. it also saves the taxes for that period. Before I get my (personalized) plates and papers back next spring I have to pay the taxes and insurance fees for next year ( which i get refunded some of it if I turn in the plates earlier). I know it sounds complicated, put is a good way to save money in our long winters. I think it is also only right, because we must only drive collector cars 120 days a year ( emission exempt). So at least now I only pay for ca 180 days and can drive 120. That s about fair. If I kept it registered all year I would have to pay the full 365 days and would still only be allowed to drive 120 days per year. Welcome to the old world of empires, kingdoms and other medieval forms of Continental living... :003:

Jim, unfortunately the news liars are right. we have shut down again. for at least 20 days they say. Personally speaking I am not affected, and not wanting to get too political, but a lot of things went very wrong. In summer they promised the pandemic to be over, and most people acted like that. when the virus hit back hard in fall , government waited too long and now they are blaming whoever comes up that day. There is a lot of dispute, and we will see what happens. Unfortunately our neighbor countries aren't off much better. Germany has it bad, and Slovakia and several others. They all thought it's over and now it's not. That is no surprise imho.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2021-11-24 08:16
We have a similar system here in Calif were we can put a car on non op status but we don't turn in the plates or registration they just want the money  :005:. You can reactivate it at any time, more money.

The bug is spreading here too but I think they are too paranoid to shut it down again. Trying to make the vaccine mandatory has met with a lot of resistance and may cause many to lose jobs where they are requiring it, police, fire, city workers etc..

Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2021-11-24 09:52
Jim, while our registration suspending is a little complicated, I have to say, that it is a free service from the insurance office. They also notify the vehicle tax department, so the taxing also gets suspended for that certain period.

I think I pretty much know where you - Jim, and me stand on the mandatory vaccine shots. In order to keep this post forum friendly (hopefully) I will only say so much that it is a very rude political decision, that one wouldn't expect today ( maybe 80 years ago that was ok...) especially since the effects of that concept are highly dubious. I believe that there isn't a sole solution for the bug, it rather takes many different steps and methods working together, to get rid of it hopefully.
If this comment is offensive I will edit it.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2021-11-24 11:12
We are fortunate in Calif, we don't have taxes, we just have FEEs :003: All the tax is on the gas  :005: Here is a sample of the new registration for my 66 Mustang and putting it on non op is $23, it use to be $15.
I better not make comments on the vaccine either
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2022-03-17 16:06
So it's that time of the year again when working outside gets nicer and the old workhorse has to come out the stable !  :003:
moving around my storage trailer which is filled to the top with 48 large and heavy 24x16" plastic crates with car parts, mostly 56 and 57Ford and VW stuff. Had to move it out from my shelter and behind the house.
It was a little challenging to get it around the corner, but all fun in the end. I need to reorganize my shelter as I may want to get out the Del Rio project car this or next season.

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: CobraJoe on 2022-03-17 16:43
Nice, a little too early here still.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2022-03-17 16:55
Joe, how's your leg coming along ? I guess you still need some time to heal...?!

Its interesting how you are located south of me and Mass is oceanside and still your winter lasts longer than ours. Probably cold air and water coming down from the arctic. I always get the weather news from Jay as well.
Our weather has been moderate. like low 50s daytime and still freezing nighttime. We have had very little snow or rain this winter so everything looks like Az here. also we have had huge  amounts of Sahara dust that occasionally gets blown up from Africa, so everything looks yellow, somewhat. really looking forward to some rain and green in the garden !
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2022-03-17 18:27
Kinda the same here. 78 yesterday, today low 40's, windy, there was a chance of rain or snow, but as usual nothing. Sky is heavy smoke filled from a big brushfire just west of town. Very very dry here all winter, fires are gonna be bad.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2022-03-17 18:40
Gee guys...blue sky...76+...and no wind, snow rain or anything else annoying. Now tomorrow...might rain a bit...other than that...nice weather coming. Joe should see it in a day or so...I am trying to blow it your way bud... :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: CobraJoe on 2022-03-18 08:07
It's breaking here, but still a lot of rain, here's the 7 day forecast:

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There're saying temps are supposed to drop again next week.    bawl

DJ,  on the  leg; Tuesday they x-ray'ed it and have me putting 25% of my body weight on it with crutches.
Hey, it's a start.
Thanks for asking Bud.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2022-03-18 16:45
good news, Joe! I have broken some bones and had major surgery and all and it's a great feeling when you actually can start putting some weight on it again. I will never forget my first steps after having spine surgery...probably the best pee in my life... :002: :003:

weather sounds good, pretty much the same what we are having here. Still not nice enough, like feeling of taking your collector car out on a trip or so.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2022-04-26 06:43
So spring is finally here !
( well it was.... actually today is overcast and cool, but hopefully better weather will be back for the weekend)
anyways, time for a spring pic and my very old pear tree blossoming. Probably same age as the 57CS or even older, has been on the property forever.

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: CobraJoe on 2022-04-29 12:21
Very nice, looks like it's finally going to warm next week! We had some warm weather here for a while, but the last week and a half have been cool, mostly because of a north Canadian wind.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2022-06-15 15:48
Not much happening here, Finally it feels like summer coming in, but  I missed our annual seaside trip for family reasons and also the gas price is just horrible now. €2.29 a litre, that is way over $10 a gln.
Today I was stuck in a local traffic jam for 20 minutes or so and I was just literally watching the gauge go down....hahaha....never mind. Took some car and house parts to the sandblaster and picked them up later. It seems that's what those ole longroof cars were made for.... :003:

Cant help but staring at this striking and aggressive, yet humble but intense look of the 57 front. I just love it !


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Here is some crazy fun shot. Pulled my Del Rio dash from storage to put it on display in the basement cabinet. it is the same interior color as on the Country Sedan.

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Interestingly enough I will find dozens of flaws on the oem 57 dash ( that I want to customize or 'clean out'), like all the panel dividers, ridges, gaps, asymmetrical ashtray and speaker grill, strange speedo design and all, but I still come back thinking, how nice the original layout works, with the flowing upper dash shape, the super clean (still art deco style) clock, chrome inserts, idiot lights and switch panels. Crazy, I know....

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: glenmichael on 2022-06-15 16:40
Outstanding pictures, I love the one with the tailgate down, Thanks for sharing !!
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2022-06-15 16:50
ditto! Thanks for posting them, Gunter.
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Post by: rmk57 on 2022-06-17 20:51
  I like the magnetic key holder. I have the  same one tucked up in the frame rail on my car.
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Post by: smkeeman on 2022-06-18 21:41
That is one beautiful wagon. 
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2022-07-03 18:09
My Country Sedan doing what it does best. Being out in the Country ! :003:
(At my parents place in the southern Austrian Alps)

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Wirenut on 2022-07-03 18:55
Beautiful scenery and the cars look great. I love the Triumph. I had a 69 Bonneville 650 in the early seventies and still miss it. I had to rethink the brake and shift pedals anytime I switched to an American (Harley)or Japanese bike since they are opposite. My best friend at the time had a Trident.
Thanks for posting the photos.
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2022-07-03 21:54
Can't possibly be anything wrong in this world when you see pics like those. Thanks Gunter.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2022-07-04 13:10
Thank you both !

I had to do some work on the house so brought a lot of tools and hardware, which fit nicely in the 57 CS. comes in handy for such a job and sure is fun to drive out. Had great weather all weekend. Also brought a new battery for my '59 5TA and she fired up quickly after a few kicks. Haven't been riding the bike in years, but love to kick her once in a while and listening to the sweet sound of the British 500ccm twin. Maybe I'll take her out a little more after my son is grown up (in a few years). I really do love each of those 3 rides.
My passion for 57 Fords and old buildings has been going on for quite a while now. just dug up this fun pic, same building, different cars, 21 years apart. :002:
and Happy Independence Day, everyone ! :unitedstates:

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Post by: abe_lugo on 2022-07-04 21:16
Thanks for the cool pics.  Looks like it was a great day!
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2022-07-05 08:38
Beautiful country pictures  :003: I need to get out on the road.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2022-07-07 02:03
Thanx for starting page # 57 of this build thread, Jim !  :003:
Must be a good sign.
This weekend we are going to take part in a traditional rod run only 20 miles from my place. Was hesitating to enter the 57CS, because I didn't want to spend all day long alone in the car, wasting expensive gas, but obviously a few friends from Germany that I haven't seen in 4 years will arrive the day before for some BBQ at my friend Rob's place and we'll pack up the 57 with 4 people and join the rod caravan early next morning. Let's hope for nice weather, safe rides and taking some neat pics.
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2022-07-07 13:39
That sounds like a fun time with your friends, enjoy the rod run.
I've only been driving mine locally due to the heat and no air.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2022-07-11 07:37
Had a great weekend, meeting friends we hadn't seen in over 3 years. Nice weather, but not too hot. 57Cs never got over 180°. about a 100 mile cruise. visiting a local nostalgia museum, that had about 5 or so early Model Ts ( one with acethylene lights), an original Edison phonograph and a working 1886 Benz motocar replica.
The scenery was overwhelming, and about 50 cars and 20 motorcycles attended. I will post some more pics later.

pretty steep hillclimbing and parking.
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Nearly got into a little dog fight trouble with the Slovenians, but it turned out ok after some barking and sniffing... :002:  :003:

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Post by: hiball3985 on 2022-07-11 09:12
When parking that close to a Chevy always have your car disinfected afterwards :003: 
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Post by: Fairlane62 on 2022-07-11 09:41
Nearly got into a little dog fight trouble with the Slovenians, but it turned out ok after some barking and sniffing...[/quote]

Sitz, Platz, the Chevy seems submissive.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2022-07-12 08:15
Haha, you are quite right! maybe the 56 Shepheardroullette knows German, his owner doesn't ...hahaha... This is just making good fun of old friends much like you American and Canadian guys do.

I wonder if it's ok to post all these pics here, but at least my 57 is in some of them and many other interesting Fords as well. Please ignore the occasional off-brand vehicles.... :003:
We all had a great day out!



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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2022-07-12 09:48
Looks like you had a heck of a weekend, Gunter. Love the Lincoln, the flamed '32 coupe, the Edsel, and the Caddy convertible! Looks like the only things missing were women, lol.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2022-07-12 10:37
hahaha....good observation, Rich. But you may be wrong. They're just not in the pics, because they are always the first to hop in the shade, run for Coffee or head to the restrooms..... :002:  :003:

Obviously our hobby is mostly a men thing, even more so over here. But there was a good number of ladies, female partners and even onlookers attending. They usually hang out on their own while we guys talk nuts and bolts.

I didn't intend to share this pic, but there you go. :002:

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Post by: hiball3985 on 2022-07-12 11:35
Great pictures and collection of cars and glad you had a good time, thanks for posting them. I love the Continental. Did you know that Continental was a whole separate division and wasn't a Lincoln product as some believe? I only learned that in recent years.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2022-07-12 12:27
I absolutely love and adore the MkII. Probably the greatest number of pics of any of the cars I took of that black Continental. I also learned about the Conti division only recently here on this forum. Our late member Zap(ato) had a blue 57 MkII for sale and I was interested and we had discussed a possible purchase, but his MkII had quite some rust on the undercarriage and it is a very complex and difficult car to repair, being a somewhat unibody design lacking a separate chassis, with exhaust running through the rocker and quarter panels, and ridiculous amount of gadgets all over the car. the hood, grille, both bumpers and factory tunneled headlights are my favorite parts on MKIIs. The engine was a MONSTER, back in its time. the (real leather) interior is breathtaking. the black one has cold air (AC) feeds for all 4 seats, above, in the headliner/roof panel. crazy !

It is absolutely stunning !
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2022-07-12 19:33
Hahaha..........If you gonna share pics, that'd be the one, lol. She is gorgeous. I love artistic tats.
I had also forgotten that the early Marks were not Lincolns.
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Post by: Fairlane62 on 2022-07-12 23:29
Pretty Lady.

I also like those 650 Yamaha bobbers.
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Post by: Jeff Norwell on 2022-07-13 08:45
Outstanding G..... I hope you can come here next year for the Jam Up.
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Post by: FiveSevenLiter on 2022-07-13 09:17
Great pictures, thank you.
Here is another Continental piece.  Ford was so high on the car they did not assign a year of manufacture.  The VIN is different from all other FoMoCo product.  When people say it is a 1956 or 1957, that is only the year of registration.
I have some great memories driving my father's Mk II on a Friday night when I was 17 years old.
Deuce Days Northwest this weekend, film at 11.
Terry
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2022-07-15 06:07
We have another 2-1/2 day classic car/RocknRoll show scheduled for this weekend, about 40 miles south. Very nice annual show that has been postponed for 2 years now. I was again invited to be a DJ but declined this year, so I can see more cars and music myself. Being on stage can be very busy sometimes. Todays weather forecast is pretty humid with the occasional thunderstorm, so I will probably drive down the 57 only tomorrow. My friend Lothar is driving down from Germany in his '56 N*mad, so hopefully will get to park our cars next to each other and take some nice pics again. Let's see if his longroof dog will also be submissive or if there will be some major barking and fighting hahaha... :003:
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2022-07-15 07:34
I wish there was more going on in this area.......July and August is generally too hot here......been in the 100's for 3 or 4 weeks now......so not much is ever sheduled, but I'm looking. PICS YOU KNOW WILL BE APPRECIATED!
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2022-07-15 08:49
Looking forward to the pictures G.
The high temps here has prevented me from road trips and local shows. I finally fixed my turntable which had been broken down for the last year so I'm the home DJ now  :003:
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Post by: lalessi1 on 2022-07-15 11:50
Thumbs UP on the turntable! Awesome pics Guenter, thanks! Rich, x2 on the heat...
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Post by: Fairlane62 on 2022-07-15 23:06
Let's see if his longroof dog will also be submissive or if there will be some major barking and fighting hahaha... :003:
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The Chevies are usually Alle bellen.   :003:
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Post by: Contibob on 2022-07-16 23:10
The Mark II definitely stood out for me. I have a Black 57 with a white leather with burgundy piping, carpet, dash.....
Yours of course is the other stand out. Do you have extra lenses over the headlights?
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Post by: KYBlueOval on 2022-07-17 05:45
I have a MarkII part on my '57 Ranchero. I bought a MarkII dome light, exactly like the one shown in post #850 on E-bay. A really well made piece,and it has a real glass lens, which I thought was unusual.
John
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2022-07-17 17:48
at least no bites... :002:  :003:

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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2022-07-22 02:04
Bob, if you are referring to my 57 CS, yes there are plastic headlight covers over the H4 units. We must not use sealed beams in Austria, so the 7" H4 units I bought from a British car supplier and they have a nice original crown in the glass. But I found these acrylic glass covers in Australia, where they are used on trucks to prevent bugs, birds and stones damaging the headlight glass. I liked the look so much, I know that many people dislike the original protruding of the 57 headlights, But I think it looks cute and I wanted to even exaggerate the look.

your MkII sounds like an gorgeous color combo. Maybe you could post some pics in the 'Old Ford pics' topic ?

Quote from: Contibob on 2022-07-16 23:10The Mark II definitely stood out for me. I have a Black 57 with a white leather with burgundy piping, carpet, dash.....
Yours of course is the other stand out. Do you have extra lenses over the headlights?
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2022-07-22 02:22
So, last weekend was really nice. Met lots of old friends, saw lots of cool cars, and got to listen to some great Rock n Roll music. There was a band from Spain, and the (23yo) female singer and guitarist La Perra Blanco really rocked the stage. I haven't seen a girl play such a wild rockabilly guitar before. The band was chock full of energy and the crowd was going wild. Great upright bass player as well.

Here's a video link ( live was even much better than this): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBnK_LlGDM8

Here are some pics of the cars, ahem...that is lots of off topic stuff there.....please forgive me. I'll show them anyways, because looking at them makes our Fords look even better ! :003: 

There is a great story on the 57 Cheap-roll-at panel. The PAN-EL57 is NOT a personalized plate! Mario lives in Germany and he knows a few guys, so it happened to him, that he found the correct regional code (PAN stands for Pfarrkirchen, a small community in Bavaria). The plate is an official and legal German plate. I guess if you wait long enough the correct lettering and numbers will show up. Nice ! :002:

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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2022-07-22 19:00
Friday night out downtown with the boys. Got a parking space right in front of our favorite club, a cafe located in a 19th century brick/stone building surrounded by 1000 yo ancient walls. Had 95degrees daytime and sweet nighttime all windows open cruise mode temperatures...thank God it is summer again after 2 lost years. :003:

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Post by: hiball3985 on 2022-07-23 07:23
Great to see you out and about with the wagon  :003: How are the fuel prices over there?
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2022-07-23 08:41
I think Gunter posted before that gas was about 9 bucks a gallon......!!! It has been going down here. After a high of 4.59, I paid 3.84 yesterday for reg. The midgrade I use in the '57 is @ 4.19 currently
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2022-08-16 01:49
gas is down to $8 per gln, so nearly a bargain. :003:
Time for another trip out to my parents countryside house.
The Scottish highland cattle are property of my uncle/cousin. (but a local Austrian breed of course). They love to be around the Country Sedan obviously... :002:

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Post by: KULTULZ on 2022-08-16 01:54
Why is EURO gasoline so expensive? You guys have NORTH SHORE and N. AFRICA oil. It has always been this way it seems (post-war). Is it taxes or product source price?
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2022-08-16 02:03
It's about taxes. Usually gas was most expensive in Germany , Italy or France, Belgium aso, but with all the trouble happening in the past 2 years and the war going on in eastern Europe. who knows why, but gas price in Austria got to the top of Europe. even higher than in Germany. yes the taxe rate is somewhere between 50 and 75% on top of the product. At least in Germany and Austria. There's even another Co2 emmision tax being added soon.  (15+ ct a litre that could be well around 60ct more per gln)

Quote from: KULTULZ on 2022-08-16 01:54Why is EURO gasoline so expensive? You guys have NORTH SHORE and N. AFRICA oil. It has always been this way it seems (post-war). Is it taxes or product source price?
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Post by: lalessi1 on 2022-08-16 08:09
Beautiful pics as always! Gas is at $2.99 here!
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2022-08-16 08:17
Great picture. We are down to about $5.70  :005:
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Post by: KULTULZ on 2022-08-16 08:21
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2022-08-16 02:03It's about taxes. Usually gas was most expensive in Germany , Italy or France, Belgium aso, but with all the trouble happening in the past 2 years and the war going on in eastern Europe. who knows why, but gas price in Austria got to the top of Europe. even higher than in Germany. yes the taxe rate is somewhere between 50 and 75% on top of the product. At least in Germany and Austria. There's even another Co2 emmision tax being added soon.  (15+ ct a litre that could be well around 60ct more per gln)

Interesting and thank you for that info.

How is the war affecting your economy? Suspected fuel shortages this winter?
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2022-08-16 09:09
Obviously this could be touching our sensitive no-politics policy on this forum, so please let's keep this discussion forum friendly. As far as I know it is NOT about a shortage of raw oil or fuels (gasoline, Diesel) at all. It is mostly both because of the environmental directions of most all European countries and the obvious shortage of natural gas supply from the east, which increases the price of all other fuels. heating oil is still twice the price as last year (was up to 3 times a few months ago) as are several wood based heating materials (which sounds very stupid for a country like ours that has woods and woods and some more woods). The whole talk is about heating material shortage ( because of the lack of gas supply), not about car fuels. They are now reopening coal powerplants and discussing environmental friendly atomic plants.  :deadhorse:
It is interesting that some (former Eastern) countries like Hungary, Slovenia, Poland, Slovenia ( and former Yugoslavian countries) have put a limit on fuels and keep it around or below $6/gln. There is more to it, which I won't get into detail.

As all of you can imagine people are quite upset over here.
I am lucky to still be doing ok and being able to take out the 57 now and then. :001:
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Post by: KULTULZ on 2022-08-16 09:33
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Post by: SkylinerRon on 2022-08-16 22:18
DC area dropping below $3.99, finally.....

Ron.
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Post by: Richard Grizzle on 2022-10-18 08:46
Thats the color I want my wagon to be. It was originally dark brown top to bottom
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2022-11-23 16:02
Nov.23rd,short season update.
Finally the temperatures dropped significantly within past 2 weeks, so I turned in my license plates and canceled the registration ( you guys may remember that we have a somewhat different tax system over here that allows us to pause vehicle taxes, if we turn in the plates for winter).

I did not put many miles on the 57 this year, but I drove it frequently also to the store and around town, which was a lot of fun. Sweet and reliable daily as well. not a single hick up.

Gas is still very pricey and doesn't seem to come down anywhere soon, so the 57CS will probably not become my daily driver next year. Hopefully I can take her out several times for local cruise nights.

One of our summer cruises was rained out, but I was on my way anyways so that made a nice rainy pic.
In September I attended a Rock'n'Roll type festival and they also took a shot of the '57 next to a '57 German Opel and what appears to be a 57 Buick ( or is it a 56 ?)
At that show I met Tony Passalaqua, the former lead singer of the Fascinators who had a sweet hit record in 1957 ( among many others). He also told me that he had a 57 Ford back then. He immediately started a conversation and we were talking Y blocks and good times. Nowadays he lives in FL and still has a 56 Sunliner and a 36 Ford.

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Post by: cokefirst on 2022-11-23 17:45
I am a BIG doo wop fan and I love The Fascinators.  It was very cool that you got to visit with him. 
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2022-11-23 18:29
I do believe that buick is a '57. It should have a 3 piece back widow.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2022-11-24 05:54
Tony still has a great stage appearance and voice after all these years (concerning his age). He was backed up by the great Italian Doo Wop group Freddy Velas and the Silvertones, who really take the music as close as possible to the original 1950s sound.
Being well into his 80s Tony still travels alone and he was in the audience enjoying the other groups all weekend long. Really down to earth guy to hang out with and chatting cars as well. He said he is also still doing some concerts in the USA, so you may want to check out the tour schedule.

Quote from: cokefirst on 2022-11-23 17:45I am a BIG doo wop fan and I love The Fascinators.  It was very cool that you got to visit with him. 

Here is a nice song by the Silvertones from Italy. Doo Wop is really big in Italy. Also in Spain.


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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2022-11-24 06:04
yes it does ! The owner couple are nice folks from Germany. It is interesting they both have their car tattooed on their forearm, I believe the lady has the colored version, and the guy a b/w.

Quote from: RICH MUISE on 2022-11-23 18:29I do believe that buick is a '57. It should have a 3 piece back widow.
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Post by: cokefirst on 2022-11-27 21:38
You have a fabulous retro Doo Wop Group in Germany, Crystaiaires and England has a very good group known as The Roommates.  I love their music!!
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2022-12-01 07:42
I have actually seen the Chrystalaires in person in Stuttgart, but this has been a long time ago, like 15 years at least. I remember the concert very well, they had tremendous harmonies.
Do you know the Velvet Candles from Spain ? Incredibly good! I heard them live this summer.

They can even pull this off, just unplugged in the streets. No computer, no amplification, no voice auto tune, I love this raw performance, they are THAT good !

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Post by: Marc on 2022-12-01 07:57
Hey those guys aren't bad at all!
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-01-22 15:59
A chilly Sunday, too cold to go outside work on the cars..... time to listen to some 78 acetates... :002:

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this is the actual recording on the turntable, only my copy has a blue label because the Columbia pressing came from England.
Personally I like Albert Ammons heavy hammering piano playing on the Woo Woo side, better than Pete Johnson on Boo Woo.


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Post by: 1930artdeco on 2023-01-22 21:14
DJ, are you using 3pt front seat belts by chance? If you are did you use retractable or non retractable? The floors and seat belts are up next.

Mike
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-01-23 02:09
Hello Mike,
I only mounted 2pt lap belts in the rear for the kids at least. No belts on the front.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-03-07 05:23
Not much going on here, but I picked the battery from warm basement storage and put it back into car. Probably not going to be any extended freezing temps this year. As usual just a few squirts of EZ-start spray and she fired right up after 5 months of winter storage. Can't believe how fast time flies!
This weekend will be a Rock'n'Roll type festival in my hometown and the weather forecast is good so far. probably going to be in the mid 50s maybe even 60s ° without night time freeze or road salt. Hopefully I will be able to take her out to the show (after a good wash). Not even 10 miles from my place, so a very short trip, but the first  time out in spring is always sweet ! And I don't have to fill'er up for that....I don't want to break my bank account... :003:
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2023-03-07 05:30
Hope all goes well for you to get out. I was planning on a trip this weekend but rain in the forecast and the mountains are still snow filled. Gas here is up again in the $5 a gallon range  :005:
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2023-03-07 09:04
$5.....really?? Just went UP to $3 here.
Sounds like your perfect weekend, Gunter!
Was going to Goodguys 360 miles south of here, have to cancel. Haven't closed on our house sale yet.
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Post by: abe_lugo on 2023-03-07 11:19
cool pics Gunter, same as Jim, 5.60ish in my area DTLA.(must be changing to summer blend...)  In Oct, we only ever got down to 4.05 after the spike last year.

Get some pics of that CS at the Festival please!!
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2023-03-07 11:33
Quote from: RICH MUISE on 2023-03-07 09:04$5.....really?? Just went UP to $3 here.
Sounds like your perfect weekend, Gunter!
Was going to Goodguys 360 miles south of here, have to cancel. Haven't closed on our house sale yet.
Rich, Thats nothing compared to natural gas now, my bill for January was $450 and the one for February will probably be as bad or worst. And they want a 20% increase for next year  :005:
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Post by: Jeff Norwell on 2023-03-07 11:52
Our Propane for heat went up to $780 a month... ugh
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2023-03-07 12:38
DANG! I thought the $2.79 we are paying for gas and $3.79 for diesel was bad enough. But then, back in Dec of 2020 we were under $2 for gas and around $3 for diesel. (in MO) Prices will inch up for summer once Branson opens up for tourist season later this month. Dolly Parton's place will open next week and the others will start doing same as well soon after. By April 1st back in full swing.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-03-07 15:04
We're down to approx $7 right now for regular, but I expect it to get up to $9 again for cruising season in summer. Our energy prices are insane. electric power is 2.5 times compared to last year and heating oil up to approx $7 per gln.
Anyways , got a nice enamel cast iron wood burning stove from the 1950s and I still do get my living room area the temperature I WANT, just saying.... :002:
Will post 57 CS pics after the weekend.
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Post by: terry_208 on 2023-03-07 16:05
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2023-03-07 15:04We're down to approx $7 right now for regular, but I expect it to get up to $9 again for cruising season in summer. Our energy prices are insane. electric power is 2.5 times compared to last year and heating oil up to approx $7 per gln.
Anyways , got a nice enamel cast iron wood burning stove from the 1950s and I still do get my living room area the temperature I WANT, just saying.... :002:
Will post 57 CS pics after the weekend.

And here I thought full house natural gas heat at $35 a month was bad.  I priced gas at Costco a little bit ago at $3.63.  I thought gas in Ely Nevada yesterday was bad at $3.95 a gallon. 
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2023-03-07 17:50
Well heard just today that Dolly opened up her place already, so we will start seeing more tourists in town, and more show palaces opening...and of course then gas in Branson will go up. Diesel in Berryville AR (10 miles from my house) is at $3.65 a gallon now.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-03-15 16:25
Well..... in case somebody was wondering....

of course it rained on Friday, and chilling winds brought down the temps to freezing Saturday night. So my 57 had to stay at home.   :005:

it is what it is.... hopefully out soon !
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2023-03-16 07:14
Your not alone  :003: it rained here Friday and Saturday, and Tuesday and part of yesterday :005: It hasn't rained this much in years..
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-03-16 18:28
Well this may be a good thing for your region, really, Jim ! It has been very dry over here. weather is in the 50s, but quite some wind chill. maybe getting in the 60s next week, so could be a good time to get out do some TLC and work around the cars...   :001:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2023-03-17 10:11
They have declared the drought is over for most of the state now, and a lot of it is flooding already and the snow hasn't even started to melt which will make it worst. My area isn't effected so I got out and worked on my truck yesterday and will do more today  :001:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-03-19 16:51
Glad to know you are not affected by the bad weather so much Jim.
Was able to spend a wonderful Sunday afternoon today in 60 degrees, bib and shirt, washing cleaning, adding oil, wiping tires and polishing some stainless and chrome !
I love polishing chrome on a lazy Sunday afternoon. It is about the most brainless, useless work you can think of, but there isn't hardly anything more relaxing (for me personally), than spend an hour or two on a single piece of old Ford trim.... Obviously I am a lucky man. There are dozens of Sunday afternoon polishing hours worth left on that big ole tank....:003:

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2023-03-19 18:34
Looking good DJ. I had a relaxing weekend also........put 200 miles on the '57 going nowhere in particular, just rides away from the city in ranch country. We got a day or two of badly needed rain this past week.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-04-14 05:58
The weekend before Easter we had our first local car cruise. A friend of mine caught me, just having too much fun....
Honestly, the 57 is one of my all time favorite cars. I love the seating position, the view out the wraparound windshield, the hood gunsight and fender tips, the huge wagon cargo space behind you, the way it steers, rolls, shifts, sounds...I just love the 57 !!!

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Jeff Norwell on 2023-04-14 06:32
Look at that face!.mile and Miles of Smiles G!..... outstanding!!!!!
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2023-04-14 07:54
Now there's a happy camper! The wagon is looking great.
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Post by: lalessi1 on 2023-04-14 08:02
"Too much fun"? WHAAAT???
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2023-04-14 08:34
Outstanding, glad you got it out and had fun. I've only driven around town locally, no road trips yet this year.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2023-04-14 08:51
HOW does one have "too much fun"?
Good to see you were able to get out and do some cruisin'!  :burnout:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: terry_208 on 2023-04-14 10:59
Looking good, G!  Glad you were able to take her out for a cruise.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-04-14 12:15
Thanx, everybody !
Well, maybe not TOO much fun, but plenty.... :003:
The 57 wasn't the only car I brought that day. The place is very close- just a few miles. so I made it a habit to show up every 30 minutes in another car, cruise the lot, wave my friends hello and good bye, and repeat...and repeat...andrepeat....hahaha. It was all good fun for laughs and a running gag all evening long. Sometimes it's good to be just acting stupid like a kid. It makes life more pleasant!
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2023-04-14 14:37
No reason to act like an adult until forced to do so.   :006:
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Post by: CobraJoe on 2023-04-15 17:00
 :thumbsup:
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Post by: Jeff Norwell on 2023-07-05 07:40
Just Beautiful G.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-07-09 15:05
Hurrah ! I made it to our annual summer Rod run in southern Austria. here is proof !   
I can post further pics if you don't mind showing off-topic or offensive other-brand cars...:003:

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-07-23 17:50
Sorry for being absent and lazy in posting in past months. I was very busy with work, also  lots of bad weather which means I had to make use of the few good days to work on the property, house, helping my parents and such.
Anyways. After the very spontaneous decision to take my 57CS to said Rod Run early July and it managed the day on Alpine roads without a hickup. Was still running on dealer plates, so I made an arrangement for vehicle inspection July 17th. i wanted to get some things done that I had on the To-Do list for quite some time and also wanted to make sure to thoroughly clean and prepare the wagon.
First I mounted the og stabilizer bar back to the car after cleaning and painting all the hardware ( I had done much of that previously and so all the brackets and bar were already on the shelf).
Also gave the rubber bushings a good dose of silicone grease so the suspension and bar now work easily without binding.
I know that many of you guys frown upon the og stabilizer bar, but since I am keeping things mostly original and not racing or cornering that hard, it will most likely work fine for this Old Lady (wagon) and me.

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Also replaced the brake fluid and adjusted all 4 drums. The brakes were good before but it sure made for a stiffer pedal with less throw after adjsuting.(https://up.picr.de/46053216oz.jpg)

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I also cleaned all fittings and gave all the suspension parts a good lube job.

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-07-23 18:04
Replacing the transmission pan gasket was also on the list and while at it draining the old trans fluid I cleaned up the pan a little. The old oil looked pretty ok-ish, with very little metal or brake band pigments and just a few tiny metal chips in the pan. there was some sort of spring there, but I have no clue where this has come from. all plungers/valves are still in place and the 3spd Fordo still shifts nicely through all gears and Low. Maybe somebody knows where this possibly came from ?
og filter screen was pretty clean so I reused the original one. Had to hammer some pretty heavy dents. don't know how these got into the pan, possibly from bad jacking or....??? Can't see how road bumps or stones cpuld do that kind of damage.
Anyways, not wanting to take a risk after all that banging, I decided to use red/white penetrating dye on the repaired areas and it all checked out fine. Quick dose of rattle can and she was back together.

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-07-23 18:15
appointment for vehicle inspection went great. 57CS checked out fine. just had to readjust the main center tie rod end on the steering gear arm. I had left it just a tad loose, so there would be no binding at all, but another 1/2 turn and the technician was satisfied. I think they are obliged to find at least something, if anything ..... :003:
brake test worked great, emmission testing as well. Even though this is an unopened og engine, all the tune up work paid off and she has really low emission values. 4.2%CO and just 170 ppm HC. Official limits are 6% and 600ppm. I could have easily cut her down to under 3% Co, but always run her a little rich for drivability in different temperatures and elevation ( which obviously we got a lot of difference in the mountains).
The shop is new and they improved on the old shop logo... :003:  The shop name is neat, Zündfolge translates into 'Firing Order Co'. I love the traditional woodwork on their roof construction.

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So inspection sticker applied and she is good for nearly 3 years from now. July 25 +4 months thats Nov 25- yeah ! :001:
Got my regular plates back on the car.

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-07-23 18:26
While she is fully street legal again, of course it rained the whole week long and I didn't even drive a mile.  :deadhorse:

So today I played a bit with the door panels. Usually I want to use only traditional means of soap and water or dish detergent, but that wouldn't make it on the decades of dirt. I had previously repaired the pssgr door panel and straightened and glued it to a new panel, but this cleaner really made the difference! Can't believe how bright the original door panel material still looks after 66 years ! Still need to do the rear panels and want to replace the drivers cardboard, of course keeping the og covering. I like these smaller projects. They can be done when time allows.

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: CobraJoe on 2023-07-23 19:00
Looking good Guenther! Three year inspection sticker, I wish. Here in Massachusetts it's every year, and get this, if you go past your month marked on the old sticker, they make the new sticker out for the original month! If you are way past, then you get one for the first of the year! WTF???
This country is going to hell quickly. They figure they lost too much inspection $$$ during the two years of Trump impeachment, err, sorry, I meant "Covid"
 :rippedhand:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-07-23 19:16
I hear you Joe !  :003:

The month thing is the same over here. if you're late you will lose some time. While our biannual (2-1/2 years) span may sound tempting.....it is a historical vehicle exempt ( all regular vehicles have annual inspection). we are only allowed to drive the historical car 120 days per year ( while we still have to pay taxes, road toll and insurance for all 365 days ... go figure). Miles are also restricted to 3000km ( less than 2000 miles per year). Still sounds good to you ?
 :deadhorse:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2023-07-23 19:37
Gunther...LOOKS GREAT!
Here in Mo we ghee two year inspections on anything we license.
Sorry Joe...I live in an American state! LOL!!!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: gasman826 on 2023-07-23 22:14

what's an inspection?
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2023-07-23 22:26
Here it is just a safety inspection re: lights, brake lights, turn signals and horn.
Some places (like West coast states) do like Gunther had to experience, smog measurements and brake inspections etc.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: KYBlueOval on 2023-07-24 06:12
Quote from: gasman826 on 2023-07-23 22:14what's an inspection?

What Gary said .... X2
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ford Blue blood on 2023-07-24 08:28
What Gary said....X3
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2023-07-24 08:54
No inspections at all here in Texas IF you do the "antique vehicle" thing, which is a 5 year renewal. I looked into vanity plates after I checked and found out "Texas 57" (my HAMB name)was available, but that's an annual renewal with inspections. So, roughly 450. over 5 years vs 65. over that time with antique plates. I wasn't concerned with having to have the inspections, but the cost difference was too much.

That said, the bad side of the 5 year no inspections is I occasionally see a 80's or 90's piece of crap with antique plates. You know they're doing that just to avoid inspections.
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Post by: lalessi1 on 2023-07-24 10:36
Antique car- no inspections, plate is permanent, no fees... "forever"!
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Post by: 57chero on 2023-07-24 10:49
No inspections here in Oregon, find a license plate that would have come on your car, the DMV checks to make sure it's out of circulation you only need one to run on the back then you get a permanent registration for a $100 and never have to renew it. There is a mileage limit, but I don't even get close.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-07-24 17:05
you guys have me tearing up.... :005:  no wonder the car hobby is so much more present in most of the States. Our inspections are incredibly strict ! they make no difference between a new car and an old one. It is a full on technical and safety inspection which takes more than an hour, It's a 2 page list. printed and also forwarded to state and European Union officials via internet. Everything digital lately. they have started banning patina type cars. I am not talking about rat rods. Some do not accept flat paint. My 57CS is very hard on the edge of being outruled, because it doesn't shine enough. I am not kidding....
Luckily this inspector person is very knowledgable about vintage cars and so he checks suspension with actual breaker bar for loose parts. He accepts rubber bushings that have light cracks around the perimeter, if the bushing is sound and tight. Usually light cracks are a No Go, which means that you have to replace them every 3 years with the modern aftermarket bubbelgum stuff. I could go on and on, but.....I got the sticker and she passed nicely...so that's all that counts  :003: ( but it always takes quite some efforts)....
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Post by: gasman826 on 2023-07-24 19:40
I just had a visit from Trev and friends.  Trev bought the Raunch Wagon and shipped it to New Zealand.  A small portion of our discussions delved into New Zealand's Customs and vehicle inspection.  The Raunch Wagon just about made Customs and the inspectors crap themselves.  DOT headlights don't mean a thing in NZ.  The headlights had to be changed to right hand drive headlights.  The Drag Masters had to go.  The 408W and AOD swap was really scrutinized but passed.  There were other things changed to make it fly in NZ.  I asked him about my Custom.  With ninety percent of the car custom, he said it could be a challenge for it to ever see a NZ road.  I said that it would be such a waste...he smiled and said 'yes, but we would put all the rejected parts on their cars!'
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2023-07-24 23:26
I have thought about the antique or historical plates. But in MO they make you keep a log in the car with mileage history. Restricted to 1500 a year. I can put that much on in one trip. So...no fancy plates for me.
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Post by: Ford Blue blood on 2023-07-25 08:37
I have the same thing on the 36.  I did drive it to work, we made several thousand mile trips with the kids for vacations.  Just didn't want the hassle with the police if they got a bug up their behinder.  Our tag renewal is very reasonable, they do add a "wheel tax" ($19.00 for the 36) to the tag price but it is easy to absorb.  The rest of the herd had antique plates on them as they were never driven like the 36 was/is.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-07-29 17:18
The Country Sedan is now Norwell equipped.  :canada:
Hop up by Norwell. or is it Norwell featured by Hop Up ?  :003:

Anyways, loving the sticker !

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Post by: Fairlane62 on 2023-07-29 22:29
Hmmm, Outrunnin since 1951.  I like that since I was born in 1951.

We have no vehicle inspections in Oklahoma whatsoever.  Definitely makes it nice for our hobby.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-07-30 05:24
If you like it enough to put one on your own car you can order from Hop Up ($3 each):

https://www.hopupmagazine.com/shop/roadster-sticker-6rml7-t4pnl-ga84a

Jeff's artwork is hilarious, as always. Also like the double meaning of Out, running.... or outrunning...  :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: 1930artdeco on 2023-07-30 13:14
Think I can get one with 1970 on the sticker?
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-07-30 15:43
I guess they're only available with 1951, unless Jeff decides to put out other years. This rendering design may now be Hop Up's own.
1951 refers to the first year of Hop Up Magazine publication. July/August , 1951.

Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-08-13 15:55
Sun is out, and a local car meet scheduled !
Still can't believe it worked out today, but it did. Nice temps in mid 80s, the local car club offered a rather small in promptu car meeting, more of a mid day event at a local football (soccer) field. Burgers and soft drinks or coffee, throwing crankshafts (winner of the day about 6 yards), 1950s to 1970s Rock and Roll type music DJ, meeting old friends and everybody having a good time ... small location for about 75 or so cars was cramped (separate visitors lot, where many attending vintage cars also parked), but always some new coming, while others were leaving. It was a real great turn out, especially 1950s and 1960s cars.

57 4dr wagons were parked opposing sides. I already know the winner...That 'OTHER' one looked like a IH tractor with a weather shelter on top....hahaha

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: CobraJoe on 2023-08-13 16:20
Very cool! Nice to see vintage American Iron rolling around Europe.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: RICH MUISE on 2023-08-13 20:22
Yeah, what Joe said. I think it's pretty awesome. Where do you guys on the other side of the pond buy your cars from?.......anywhere in particular?
I know you are such a stickler for correct English (I'm obviously not), otherwise, I wouldn't have mentioned it.........it's impromptu.
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2023-08-13 21:25
Cool! Thanks for the share G.
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-08-14 00:37
Glad you all like it, it was a nice little gathering !
You have to remember that here in Austria we have a small but very strong following of American iron, which started right after the war (check out my og Austrian 1950 Ford sales brochure here: https://57fordsforever.com/smf/index.php?topic=7503.msg95147#msg95147 )

Up until the 70s or rather mid to late 80s, most all of those cars were original imports in YOM, many having smaller L6 engines, km p h speedometers, many being imported from CAN rather than the US and some even CKD  ( completely knocked down) kits that were assembled in European plants like in Belgium or Switzerland, or even prewar Germany ( before ca 1930-33ish).
So that meant that US car survivors were very, very special to early collectors. Importing cars and ordering parts became easier in the late 1980s, with fax orders and more reasonable air mail. Bringing in classic cars from the States became a trend in the mid 1990s, that went crazy after 2008, when the $-€ exchange rate shifted more to our favor. That's when lots of even 4dr sedans or late model vans got shipped over, as storage boxes for bulky spare parts. So we now have an abundance of less loved models, sometimes cheaper than on your side of the pond. 2020 brought most all of that to a halt. Postage rates increased by several 100% since, and tax and custom fees are always calculated on parts price PLUS shipping cost....go figure...
Maybe it's not even such a bad thing, since  these cars are maybe getting more love over here again. At some point a few years ago, it seemed every other mo*on would buy a car online, have it shipped for cheap and then just leave it rotting away, when they found out they couldn't register them because of the strict tech and safety inspection.

Thank you Rich, impromptu sounds better! something felt wrong anyways. reason for me writing it that way, it is the original Latin version, in promptu, On the spot- right there. like i.e. means id est . It is. Many latin words are still used in many languages around the world. I was lucky (or not) to have 7 years of Latin in school, and it helps me a lot in understanding foreign (to me) languages.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Fairlane62 on 2023-08-15 23:05
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2023-08-13 15:55throwing crankshafts (winner of the day about 6 yards)

What type crankshaft did you throw?  Ch**y cranks are heavier than most Fords, but I've thrown more of them in the scrap bin.  :023:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-08-16 01:03
yes it was a SBC crankshaft. it was just for fun and raising a little spending money for the organizing club. I don't know whether or not the crankshaft was donated by the 57 Chef 4dr wagon owner.... :003:

yesterday we had a holiday, so I took the wagon out to my parents place in the country.
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: CobraJoe on 2023-08-16 07:36
Very nice.
The views must be spectacular!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2023-08-16 08:46
I miss the mountains! That's beautiful country. Are the spikes on the roof to help prevent ice/snow avalanches?
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-08-17 03:42
It is indeed a nice place to be! My parents are building a 2 car addition to our garage/shed/driveway, so the 57CS may even get shelter in the future  :002:
Yes Rich, those are spikes preventing ice and snow avalanches from the roof. up to 40 inches of snow in a day can be quite normal, a few times of the winter. You guys would be breathing well in summer, temps rarely go over 85F, always a nice breeze up from the valley. It was really a super nice day out with family ( which obviously the 57CS is already a member of as well.... :003: )

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Jeff Norwell on 2023-08-17 07:00
So beautiful G!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Marc on 2023-08-17 07:56
Wow what a beautiful place! I'm not a fan of snow at all, but I wouldn't mind it so much in a place like that.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-08-17 14:26
Thanx guys ! I don't have to tell you about winter, Jeff..... :002:
Marc, same with me. Personally I like it warm and sunny, but as an Austrian, I DO ski and climb summits, and I absolutely love wintertime at my parents place in the country. Also there is no salt on local roads, and it is just the snow plow and the rest is up to your driving skills!

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-08-17 17:43
My friend of 30 years, Martin took this short video clip today. 57 exiting his driveway. I am driving it on a daily basis again. If it wasn't for the car size ( compared to Austrian streets), it makes an ideal around town daily driver.

Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: CobraJoe on 2023-08-17 18:08
Very nice!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2023-08-17 23:34
Sweet! Jealous people in your rear-view mirror daily I am sure!  :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-08-22 17:09
Back home after a 95 degree late summer day, took some brake drums and mechanical parts to a machine shop for inspection and doing grocery around noon. I just randomly parked her in a spot under the trees where I usually never park. Also the Merc I didn't care to put on the ramp ( of the sheltered lift), so she took a summer nap under the ole cherry tree. Little did I know what would happen after sun down and shop lights on... total coincidence. This is about my best night of the year probably... :003:

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: 1930artdeco on 2023-08-22 17:36
Love the pics, not sure if the wagon is waiting to run you over for leaving her outside or she just want to come inside and be by the fire :003: .
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2023-08-22 21:14
Nice shadow shots G! I like!  :006:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2023-08-22 22:49
Awesome pics. Gotta love the low-key shots!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-08-23 02:57
it honestly felt a little creepy, the 57CS certainly does look different in those night time shots. I guess I should go park it in the shelter before she gets alive too much....haha.

It's probably only like toy cars in a sand box, for adults. I just love to have these cars around and being able to see and enjoy them.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: CobraJoe on 2023-08-23 07:29
Too Cool and a little eerie!  :icon_thumright:

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-09-03 05:21
Yesterday night was time again for the (every first Saturday of month) local car cruise. Because of the nice weather the shopping mall parking lot was filled to the brim with all kinds of classic and even later model 'youngtimer' cars ( 1980s, 1990s. younger sports cars). Estimate at least a 400+ car turnout.

gotta dust off the 57 and ready to go.
All kinds of things.
My friends also joined with their German 57 Fords.
Jay, if you are reading this, the guy who owns the pastel green/ ivory German Ford wagon, also bought the big black 1948 Indian car from me. :003:

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: CobraJoe on 2023-09-03 05:23
Looked like a good time DJ....
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-09-03 06:00
Sure was great. I haven't been out so late in  I don't know what time. Meeting great people, talking cars and things, hanging out around the 57, and we only got stopped, when people started preparing for next morning flea market, when it occurred to us it was past 2AM !!! Crazy ! Didn't even eat or drink a thing, just hanging out in a late summer/early fall, dry and rather mild Saturday night. like in the olden days.... :003:

When was the last time you saw something like this....

3.2Litre Bavarian V8 coupe, 1963, body by Carozzeria Bertone, Italy.....stunning ! That is an expensive car!

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same body designer, Bertone, but this time a racy all Italian beauty !

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some American iron
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I believe this is a Hurst edition Chrysler (not good with mopars)
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British
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The bug is everywhere.... :002:
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What looks like a shrunken Mercury is actually a Swedish Volvo Amazone
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Niko's 57 For Taunus wagon. He already owned this car 25 years ago, when he first approached me on a car show, when I still had my 57 Sedan Delivery Courier.
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2023-09-03 08:22
That's a big cruise-in. The one here was very small—lots of great-looking cars at your meet. I really like the last one you posted. I've got to ask. You sold a '48 Indian..........you talking a motorcycle or another name for Pontiac?
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2023-09-03 08:57
Nice show :001: I sure wish I still had my 65 Beetle, it would be a perfect car for me today.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-09-03 09:10
I know that it is getting more difficult for all of us to purchase another project car, but it shouldn't be too difficult to find a decent registered and driving bug in Cali, Jim. They don't call it the California look for nothing ! Speaking of cal-Look VW ( this is getting horribly off topic here fast, but I think we are just in the mood for it), another friend of mine visited a few ours earlier yesterday. That's his grey 67 standard sunroof (very rare body style, last year for the folding ragtop sunroof), very true to the traditional 1970s/80s California VW scene, next to our lowered and mag wheeled but otherwise stock lotos white 67 1500.

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Quote from: RICH MUISE on 2023-09-03 08:22That's a big cruise-in. The one here was very small—lots of great-looking cars at your meet. I really like the last one you posted. I've got to ask. You sold a '48 Indian..........you talking a motorcycle or another name for Pontiac?

Yes Rich, it is just our tongue-in-cheek code word for a Pontiac 8 Silver Streak Torpedo Fastback. :003:
I really do like the looks of those Indian motorcycles, and also the story about NZ Racer Burt Munro and his Bonneville Salt Falts race bike. I never had one, because they are crazy expensive.

Here is the Pontiac I was talking about.
I never was going to do much with it, and my friend Niko had to have it, for he had always been longing for an early L8 fastback car. This one even had the 4spd Hydramatic Auto !

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2023-09-03 10:06
I sold my 65 for $250 and the prices today are crazy and I just can't justify buying one. One of the guys I know has a right hand drive one that I always wanted.
The worlds fastest Indian was a great movie :001: My old 48 Olds had a 4 speed hydro also..
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-09-03 10:39
Here's your RHD bug, Jim !  :003:

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2618653

Honestly I have to admit that prices for beetles have become ridiculous. I did a research for up to 2.5 k and not much is showing up

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but if you were willing to put in labor and parts, still interesting projects can be had for little money.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2624137.

It would be better to spend a bit more money on a running, driving, registered car though.
Our '67 1500 cost well over 10k. I say ours, because it belongs to my parents, son and me as a shared 'asset' if you will, which sounds stupid. We love old cars, and it is an og paint survivor, very rare, disc brake, hi Po ( if you can call it any of that :003: ), last year of round bumpers and headlights, numbers matching engine, pan and body. I had known about that car for over 15 years and always been longing to bring it into the family collection. It is just a sweet old car, that will clean up nicely.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: hiball3985 on 2023-09-03 12:43
I looked through the project cars but they would require more work that I can do, age has caught up to me  :005: I like yours, the round bumper cars are great, I wouldn't want anything later. One car said it was a 67 with a 6Volt system, I thought 12Volt started in 66??
Maybe I could split the cost on a nice one with my two sons
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-09-03 16:42
As far as I know 12V was an option 63 up and may have been standard on US delivered 66. Maybe that 67 is a very early car or later import Euro car. usually 67s got 12 V over here as well. but our very early production 67 (Aug or Sept 66) originally had 6 V. Now upgraded to 12V with period correct parts as they would have been available then.
I honestly think that you should be able to find a nice, solid driver 65-67 in your area for 5 -7.5k. It sounds a lot and certainly is, but maybe on local craigslist and such. I believe that you can legally drive cars that have a little rust in the battery tray or rockers, and that would certainly drop the price a lot and could be a feasible repair job for you. We have all winter and salt over here in central Europe so most all 65/6/7s have rotted away and good survivors are pricey.
Getting back on topic, some people took and posted great shots of my 57.

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: lalessi1 on 2023-09-03 16:45
Pretty sure '67 Bugs had a 12V electrical system maybe just in the states....
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-09-03 16:52
Yes Lynn,in general they had. But as stated above, my very early YOM production car  (Euro delivered) had 6 V. So if one was imported to the US later on, or some GI bought it over here and brought it back PX, it could definitely have 6V originally.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-11-16 14:30
back to 57 content !
Time to go to sleep for a few months over here. getting colder by the day, freezing nights, and all. I pulled the license plates and going to hand them to the insurance company tomorrow, until March or so. That means I get a tax and insurance refund for that time.

looking pretty in the sun, but it's already cold....She only needs a generator overhaul ( cleaning the armature and maybe new brushes), I will do that over winter.
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the weekend before I took her downtown with a friend. By total coincidence, I parked her in central downtown, literally, where you never usually find a parking lot. I never thought I'd park there once in my life. no- that is NOT a night club in the background, it is the toy museum. All the buildings around are at least 200 years old, but foundations are between 500 and 900/1000 yo. actually just behind my 57CS ( literally 100 yards) is the residence of the LAST Emperor of the Holy Roman German Empire. Emperor Friedrich III of Habsburg (1440), and his insignia stones (A.E.I.O.U. = Austria erit in orbe ultima) are set all over the place still, 500 years later. The 57 is parked where the center of (Continental) Europe was from 1440 to 1493 (approx). That is the same time range as 1492.... :002:
I think that is pretty cool.... :003: 
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: CobraJoe on 2023-11-16 16:02
:thumbsup:  :thumbsup: Too cool!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2023-11-16 18:06
That is beyond cool! I wanna park there when I come over! I suspect you will be a grand tour guide! I love all that historical stuff!
Thanks for the lesson!   :006:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: abe_lugo on 2023-11-16 19:59
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2023-11-16 14:30back to 57 content !
Time to go to sleep for a few months over here. getting colder by the day, freezing nights, and all. I pulled the license plates and going to hand them to the insurance company tomorrow, until March or so. That means I get a tax and insurance refund for that time.

looking pretty in the sun, but it's already cold....She only needs a generator overhaul ( cleaning the armature and maybe new brushes), I will do that over winter.
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the weekend before I took her downtown with a friend. By total coincidence, I parked her in central downtown, literally, where you never usually find a parking lot. I never thought I'd park there once in my life. no- that is NOT a night club in the background, it is the toy museum. All the buildings around are at least 200 years old, but foundations are between 500 and 900/1000 yo. actually just behind my 57CS ( literally 100 yards) is the residence of the LAST Emperor of the Holy Roman German Empire. Emperor Friedrich III of Habsburg (1440), and his insignia stones (A.E.I.O.U. = Austria erit in orbe ultima) are set all over the place still, 500 years later. The 57 is parked where the center of (Continental) Europe was from 1440 to 1493 (approx). That is the same time range as 1492.... :002:
I think that is pretty cool.... :003: 
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Good Pics Gunther - let your CS have good winter Sleep!
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Post by: hiball3985 on 2023-11-17 09:21
Awesome  :001:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: FiveSevenLiter on 2023-11-17 13:02
History is important, be it sunvisor mounts for Business Coupes or where Frederich laid his head.
Now give us a lesson on the different dimensions on the plates, How many variations, custom made? that kind of stuff.
Terry
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-11-18 12:29
thanx guys! Are you trying to make fun of my useless posts, or really interested in our plates, Terry ?  :003:
Well....
The white plates are the second set of plates style for street use ( after WWII). Before that were black plates with region specific letters and numbers only ( still valid if on an original owner pre-'91 registered car, getting fewer every year).
Now we can have all kind of number and letter combos, with personalized plates at extra cost ( approx US$ 200).
Austria has always issued several different size plates for the rear of the car. Our regular plates are HUGE ! they are over 22" wide. They will fit most (modern) cars, but won't work on some vans ( with hinged rear doors), trailers, OR vintage cars. Oftentimes the space on vintage bumpers is way too small for our large plates ( single line). And/or the license plate lights are not spaced wide enough to brighten up the full plate. That's when the rectangular dual line plates come in. They cannot be had for every car. just if tech inspection approves in the vehicle papers. To get more complicated, some older cars can have both, single line (long) and dual (rectangular) plates . IN THE BACK that is. ( f.e. VW beetles, T1 split window buses and such).
To make things weirder, there are several different dimensions for rectangular rear plates (4x) depending on type of vehicle, registration type aso. Some of these don't lend themselves for personalized plates, because they will incorrectly abbreviate the words. On top of that we have green plates ( in all shapes) for vehicles that need to be driven abroad without current registration, and blue plates for shop/garage use.
None of the regular plates stay on the car, they have to be turned in and scrapped as soon as a car gets taken off the road or sold. The green plates can stay on the car. The blue plates MUST NOT stay on any car, except for the time or day of use..... :003:  :005:  I think by now you get the picture. Bureaucracy is a historic and still up to date thing here. I am pretty sure the license plate rules date back to Friedrich III ! At least !..... I guess he implied an exempt for rectangular plates because it better fitted his emperor coach....:003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2023-11-18 16:16
WOW!!! I thought the various states were difficult to deal with here! Sheesh!
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Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-11-18 16:30
Hugh, when you come over here to visit, I will gladly fill you in with all details of Continental living and you will be happy to return back home asap without a single tear shed.... I will be coming with you, so I can finally see and hear the Petersens, live !  :002:  :003:

I love this country, and each has their pros and cons....and we have a lot of those.... :003:
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Post by: mustang6984 on 2023-11-18 16:38
Being a lover of the history of that part of the world...I will be soaking it up like a sponge!
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Post by: FiveSevenLiter on 2023-11-19 13:13
I would not make fun of your useless points until after we shared a few beers.

I am a Director for the Specialty Vehicle Association of British Columbia (https://sva.bc.ca/) which represents 42 car clubs here and we lobby the Government and the government run insurance company.  You can see on the website, policies that have been changed over our 42-year history, like fenderless cars being legal.  We are also working on a Preservation classification license plate for non-restored cars and the ability to run year of make license plates that some provinces and US states already have.

On the  history side of it, my Mother's family name was Enns, the oldest town in Austria.

Terry
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-11-19 15:11
Awesome Terry ! Always great to know somebody actively working on preserving classic cars and the official homework to keep them running and street legal, in these times. Are that your Shoebox and green Pickup truck on the homepage ?
We have similar interest groups over here, more so in Germany but also in Austria, the ÖMVV, Österreichisches Motor Veteranen Register = Austrian classic vehicle register. There is also an official list of historical, classic and replica cars, Veteranen-Register, which is the foundation of being able to make these street legal over here, at all. Usually all polluting emission vehicles are banned, with the exception of said  vehicles in list, which can be added to. Also replica models like GT40, Cobra and such. They are called Erhaltungswürdige Fahrzeuge, vehicles, worth keeping. it is kind of a cultural exempt, much like keeping historical buildings with old roofing, shingles, doors and windows, without having to adapt to modern standards.
I am all into that. all kinds. Living in an 80+ year old house, driving , mostly 55+ yo cars, music 50yo +. Can't seem to adapt to modern society.... :003:
Thanx for your interest and also thanx for actively working for the classic cars crowd !

Enns is about 120 miles or so only from my place. I have friends VERY close to that place, many in Linz, some in Asten and Steyr. I have been going to a private car BBQ , like no 5 miles from Enns for years and years, visiting friends. Yes those are among the oldest towns in Austria. Most of them date back to the Roman Empire, also my home town. Vienna is actually Roman/Latin/Celtic and older ! Vindobona = Celtic Roman Name for our Capitol Vienna (Wien). There are Roman Villae under our local airfield and a mile from my place are Celtic/Roman 1500+ yo grave mounds, still just there in the woods.
This is a crazy story. A friend of mine was hiking certain known grounds with his sons and he was just casually  moving molehills with his shoes, and found a Roman coin ca 200ad. No lie, it happened, saw the coin.

I am also interested in recent history ( ie 250+ years back) and we have fantastic military maps of Empress Maria Theresia ( ca 1750+), I can literally search those old maps by the yard or even closer ( 0.0001 degrees of latitude and longitude) and compare to the actual google maps, or on site. it is crazy. You can often literally make out old buildings, foundations, roads between the old maps and now. I can see ridges in my property, where a field corner had been 200 years ago. I am just crazy, I confess... :002:

I believe, as an individual person, we are just here for that time, but we are part of something much bigger and longer lasting. History is everywhere, if and when you care to look for it.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-11-19 15:22
Terry, you can't see it, but right behind my 64 Transit Van (literally no 100 yards away), runs the river Enns, which finally runs down to Enns city and unites with river Danube.
That is the Grimming summit in the backdrop, elev. 2315meters, that's approx 7.000 ft. MAJESTIC !

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: FiveSevenLiter on 2023-11-22 12:31
Yes, those are a couple of my fleet. 
I got involved with SVABC when the government insurance company (ICBC) would not give me a collector plate for my 1951 Mercury, which has original paint (faded and patina'd naturally) and it has a name on the door (a made up company name).  They told me if I re-painted the truck and then wrapped it in a 'patina look' they would give me collector status.  The difference is $230.00 vs. $1,500.00 per year insurance.  The guy told me he knows how I felt because he had a dune buggy in high school, I do not think he was prepared for my reply.
Now I am on a quest to get a preservation classification for the hobby, a slow and frustrating process dealing with non-car people who keep changing positions within government agencies.
Terry
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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-11-22 15:37
same here Terry !
cars condition 3- ( average og or repaint) are frowned upon and getting outruled. It is insane. I am not talking about artificial crazy patina or those rat rods. just neat old cars, with not perfect paint. My 57CS was close to getting outruled. Luckily mine has a decent amount of og paint and mostly original ( Except mild lowering) so it checked out ok some way.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2023-11-22 16:18
If there is one thing about governments world wide...it is that ALL of them could dry up a wet dream with their inane rules and regulations these days re: cars and their looks.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Ford Blue blood on 2023-11-23 08:57
As a well know individual once said, the most feared words in the world are...."Hi, we're from the government and here to help".......
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2023-11-23 10:55
Ah...Uncle Ron! :006:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2023-11-23 15:39
That saying has aged well. Never truer than today. Sorry for scraping the non politics policy. I am Austrian...  :003: (https://up.picr.de/46675827ci.png)
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2023-11-23 17:26
Nothing hurt. And Austrian is a good thing! Indeed!!!
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: Fairlane62 on 2023-12-03 00:45
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2023-11-19 15:11I am also interested in recent history ( ie 250+ years back) and we have fantastic military maps of Empress Maria Theresia ( ca 1750+), I can literally search those old maps by the yard or even closer ( 0.0001 degrees of latitude and longitude) and compare to the actual google maps, or on site. it is crazy. You can often literally make out old buildings, foundations, roads between the old maps and now. I can see ridges in my property, where a field corner had been 200 years ago. I am just crazy, I confess... :002:

Yes its amazing how the current topography can still reflect things from olden days.  There are still depressions in the prairie that are old buffalo wallows and I used to live a few miles from the old Chisholm trail where cattle were herded up to Kansas after the war and there are still ruts in the prairie from the wagons 150 years later.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2024-01-01 04:49
Dunno what happened, maybe it's because of the new year....but my shop feels somewhat spooky today...as if somebody was watching me from above...Dunno...  :003:

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Quote from: CobraJoe on 2023-08-17 18:20I took a ride down by the Land of the Pilgrims this morning to meet up with a guy who I spoke with on the phone and he told me that he had some '39 and '57 Ford parts that I was looking for. He was a pleasant enough gentlemen who has obviously been around the block a few times and I really enjoyed the time I spent with him. I can't tell you enough how extremely pleased I was that he had all of the items that I was looking for (he even had one additional item/assembly that was not mentioned during our phone conversation that I never, ever thought I would find, at least without paying a million dollars for!), but even then, all the while, I felt a little uneasy. It was almost as if someone or something was watching me, I don't know how to explain it, (you know that feeling you get that something just isn't quite right) well it really creeped me out and made me feel very uncomfortable.
      After we had disassembled a couple of the items in his shop and loaded them in my truck we then went back in negotiated a final price, it's when I saw them! They were peering down at me, almost eerily, from a high vantage spot over the doorway. I swear I couldn't get out of there fast enough and I don't think I will ever forget those 4 menacing eyes watching my every move for the rest of my life! It felt like almost Deja Vu!! Or, maybe it was something even creepier like from The Deliverance! I ran out the door but managed to turn quickly and take this picture as I was leaving just as they pretended to look up and away; Oh the horror!!!

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Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2024-01-01 09:20
LOL, I'm sure glad you made it out safely. Spooky.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2024-01-01 11:26
Distant relatives of Christine perhaps...?
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: CobraJoe on 2024-01-02 15:50
LOL, I know the feeling Guenther!
Jay had told me they had made the journey safely, but not without you having to jump through hoops; both physically and financially!  :angry9:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2024-01-04 03:05
That is correct Joe. Glad to have them here, but need to put a blindfold on them... :003:

Things have changed dramatically in the past 4 years. Prior to that it was easier and more affordable to order and ship goods from the US. Now it nearly has come to a halt. Shops refuse to ship overseas, postage rates are increasing all the time and customs have new import rules, because....( insert any favorite enemy).... :deadhorse:
They now do require a certificate of origin for the goods, and a Red Flag state is banned. With modern replacement parts being produced from god only knows what, in god only knows where....it is becoming very difficult to import steel or rubber automotive products. Luckily, the vintage 58 headlights were all made proudly in the US of A  :003:

Also there has been an approximately 250% increase in postage in the past 4-5 years. Today I would not be able to afford all the parts I did order for my 57s and 34s.
I am pretty much stranded with my 49 Merc and 53 Lincoln, concerning financing original or replacement parts orders from the US. We are back in an era like the 1970s or 80s when it was very difficult and expensive to order parts from the US.
A friend of mine is stranded with the restoration of his 32 cabriolet. His needs basically all the small bits and pieces replaced, and it would cost him probably more than he paid for the running, driving car as a project.
I have to say I am very lucky and thankful that I was able to afford both my favorite cars a 57 Ford wagon and 34 V8, when it was still feasible.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2024-01-04 19:35
So...in keeping with that thought...if I am able to pull off my visit to drive my Courier around in Europe...should (as I get closer to being able to pull this off) conspire to bring parts in? I could hide them in Henrietta and bring them in.
Especially the small stuff. There are the cargo boxes behind the seats...and covered with carpet...no one unfamiliar with the car would ever know they were there.
Just askin'... :003:
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2024-01-07 16:39
just saying.... :003:

Hugh, you will need all the trunk space under the flip up doors for your own stuff I guarantee. I loved those hidden spaces. Great for tools, spares, jack, sleeping bags and whatnot. everything you want to keep out of sight and off the rear sleeping area.
How about posting some more updates on your Delivery ?
When you are coming over for the trip. My spare parts shelf will be open to you, if you get stranded and need something like a ball joint or else that I might have in stock and will be much quicker to ship in Europe than to order from the US. As you know I have basically a complete Del Rio 2dr Ranch wagon in parts with most all of the spare parts I collected in the past 10 years. 
I can also probably get you in touch with shops and other collectors, just in case.
Title: Re: 1957 Ford Country Sedan mocha silver V8 4dr wagon
Post by: mustang6984 on 2024-01-07 16:55
When I come over, it will be pretty much brand new, with only about 10k on it. I aim to travel annoyance free. New suspension, (that was actually put in back in '76...has never had weight on it though...so...we'll be checking it out closely) motor, transmission, rear-end set-up wiring (already have a new harness and body mounts)
As for needing all that space...only taking a couple of bags of clothes and one of basic tools. I was figuring the spare tire well will be available if needed to bring goodies. Just me coming...well...me and Sasha assuming I can get her cleared. Figured she might want to see the land she was born in. (Germany). Wife doesn't want to spend that much time away from home. She'll drop in for a week or so now and then, but otherwise, it is me and Sasha for about 6 months. When wife is with us, we'll do motel rooms or B & B's.

I am hoping for a '26 trip. We'll see how things go. Right now the SVO is on the build floor. Need to sand, primer, block sand and then paint it. Once reassembly is done, then back to the Courier and the Fairlane both.

I appreciate the open door to the parts department! Hoping I won't need them! LOL!!! Having them available...means odds are in my favor I will not.  :003: I am really kind of pumped about Austria and Croatia wanderings. Austria is BEAUTIFUL country. I have seen so many pics of it..."scenic" does not do it justice! And Croatia...history! Lots of it!
Thanks!