At cruisin the coast today..auto city classic glass has a nice 100% aluminum, fully welded, no epoxy radiator...$225. Awesome deal for a good looking part....
Couple pics...
James,
If you remember I have an over heat issue, do you thing that this would work with my 351w? if so, do they offer this on a webb site/
thanks,
Tim :unitedstates:
in and out on the same side?
The top radiator hose fitting is on the wrong side.
I would like to order a couple at that price, but the upper water neck in the picture is on the wrong side for Y-Blocks and most Ford V8's.
James, do you know if they will come with the fitting on the other side? And was that a special price where they can still be ordered?
Thanks,
Pat
I just saw that a minute ago...wow...better check the ones that they have in boxes before I buy one, lol...
http://www.autocityclassic.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=1065&Itemid=65
The one in the picture is apparently 5759B which may be a 6 cyl...5759A is correct. The web pricing is supposed to be 249. My dad bought one yesterday, 242 out the door, tax included.
will this rad cool better than a stock one?
I was wondering the same thing. good looking radiator, but I was wondering about the cooling compacity for a 'warmed over"(no pun intended) or big block motor.
Had a "warmed over" 390 with A/C in my 62 Bird, stock radiator, just recored, cooled it just fine in parades in 95* weather! Did have the stock shroud and clutch fan. The universal 2 tube aluminum from Summit in my wagon ran cool as can be while cruising the grounds at the Good Guys in Nashville, no shroud, 7 blade fan 1/2" from the radiator so I would say yes Rich it will do the job.
Got mine today, the radiator inlet and outlet are both in the correct positon for a V9. The display radiator I took the pic of must have been a 6 banger rad. They had several display radiators there, the T-Bird one was of course correct, as there were no 6 banger birds.I'll get pics of mine in a couple days.
By the way Rich, my last `57 had a two core aluminum radiator, 600 hp stroker 351W, never ran hot except when I first built it with one of those cool looking pointed blade fans. When I switched to a regular flex fan, it ran around 175-180 all the time, even in the heat of summer. The two cores are actually 1 inch wide each, so plenty of water goes through them.
Tim, yes, this would cool your car. Yes they offer this on their site, as seen above. Be sure to ask for the V8 one, they will get you the right one. The one I took a pic of at the show, the display, is a 6 cyl rad and is incorrect for a V8. Mine and dad's are correct. The web price is supposed to be 249 according to the guy we got ours from, but it shows as $349 when you go check it out. However, this is still cheaper than the ones listed at Oreillys, Autozone, Advance, etc, and they are brass/copper composite. Good luck...
These guys go to all the major shows around the country, and are based in Minnesota. Phone is 763-444-5880. Oh yeah, they just started carrying new gas tanks and senders for 57-59 Skyliner retractable hardtops...I told them to look into wagon and Ranchero next, they're hard to find too.
just talked to them about the radiator. dont go by the online part number. on the phone they told me 5759B was V8. Im out of town so could somebody verify the outlets for the V8. im pretty sure its upper right lower left. Thanks
James,
Does the top look like an original 57 radiator? I'm interested in ordering one for the black sedan, but it has to look stockish. I plan to put a coat of black paint on it so it will not stand out.
Pat...I ordered one last Friday..suppose to ship "mid-week", if you want to wait and see what it looks like.
Also..this is getting confusing....I looked at the old radiator I pulled out of mine...an original 6 cylinder radiator as far as I know. It had the top hose connection on the left, but had the bottom connection on the right. The one in the pic James posted has them both on the left! Could the one in the pic be wrong for either?
Pat..P.S.,...talked to Wayne about putting the front and rear glass in for me. He's done '57's and remembered exactly how it is assembled. No problem with coming to my house. He seems like a nice guy, enjoyed talking with him.
Pat, it does look stock, not like the Griffin at all. I will take it out of the box and get a pic of it tonight. When painted, wont look any different than stock. The outlets are on the correct side:lower left, upper right.
Auto City Classics lists a gas tank for Ranchero,Wagon, and Sedan Del on the website. A little spendy at $499.00. But if the need is great and the one you have is worthless what is a person to do? I pointed this out in a post some time back.
Bill
Quote from: JPotter57 on 2012-10-17 09:01
Pat, it does look stock, not like the Griffin at all. I will take it out of the box and get a pic of it tonight. When painted, wont look any different than stock. The outlets are on the correct side:lower left, upper right.
I'm still curious about the one in the pic from the swap meet in that it doesn't appear to be correct for a 6 cyl either. anyone?
S....T!!!!!...got mine today, and it's like the one in the pic. I had asked for a v-8 one, The box is marked 5759A, and apparently that is wrong. Both hose fittings are on the left. As I posted earlier, I don't believe that is correct for even the 6's as my old 6 had a top left, bottom right. Beautiful looking radiator. I'll call them shortly.
OK...just got off the phone...great people to work with. The 5759A is the correct number for a V-8. It is SUPPOSE to have the fittings top right and bottom left, but as the one in the pic that James posted, they apparently have a supplier/manufacturing problem, and some of them are getting assembled incorrectly. They are going to open the boxes they have to visually check the fittings and ups me the correct one with a pick-up label for the bad one. hopefully they actually do have some correct ones to send out.
If anyone is ordering one I'd recommend mentioning this problem and have them do a visual check before they send it out.
Pat...I agree with James...looks very stock..except,imho,the large weld bead around the top tank.
Rich
Hey Guy's.
Can the lower inlet be changed to the other side? I have a 351 windsor, and both upper and lower are on the right side.
Thanks,
Tim :unitedstates:
My dad was fortunate and got the correct one also. I called him as soon as I opened mine, and he had already opened his and said it was right too....These guys will make it right for you though.
Tim, if I were you, I would just put a late model water pump on it. You must have a `69 351W if it has the outlet on the right side. '70 and up has it on the left. Just swap it out and save a lot of hassle.
The way I understand their website the 5759B is for a V8 but is made to bolt into a car that has a 6 cylinder core support. Were the core supports different? The picture of the 5759A shows the inlet on the wrong side. The 5759B looks correct.
Sounds to me like they are in a mass of confusion over this. The guy I talked to today, told me the person I placed the order with had correctly entered the 5759A number, and that it was suppose to be for a v8 and have the top fitting on the right, bottom on the left.
My guess is, I think the manufacturer's production line is mixing the 6 cyl tops with the 8 cylinder bottoms without even realizing it and they probably have all kinds of configurations going on....so Tim, they just may have a wrong radiator with both on the right as well as the wrong ones with both on the left.
512 Fairlane: core supports for 6's and 8's are the same. I just looked at their website and I believe all 4 pics are wrongly identified.
I'm still hoping to get some feedback from someone on the 6 cyl radiator's bottom fitting location. (we know the 6's top fitting is on the left, and I think the bottom one is suppose to be on the right..at least mine was) doesn't anyone out there have a 6 cyl. radiator?
Quote from: JPotter57 on 2012-10-18 21:43
My dad was fortunate and got the correct one also. I called him as soon as I opened mine, and he had already opened his and said it was right too....These guys will make it right for you though.
Tim, if I were you, I would just put a late model water pump on it. You must have a `69 351W if it has the outlet on the right side. '70 and up has it on the left. Just swap it out and save a lot of hassle.
Great Idea, James
Tim :unitedstates:
I was told the radiator that came in my car is a 6 cylinder. It has the inlet on the top left (drivers side) and the outlet on the bottom right (passenger side) so neither one of the pictures on their website would be correct for a 6 cylinder.
Now that's what I call a hood ornament, Tim.
Zap- :unitedstates:
Rich:
I'll add my two cents worth here. My car was a 6 cyl from the factory and the radiator that was in the car when I bought it had the inlet on the upper left and the outlet on the bottom. I'm pretty sure that was an original type radiator on the car when I got it. I now have a Mattson (Mr. Fanman) Aluminum Radiator cooling my blown 351W. With the electric cooling fans the engine temp cycles between 185 and 175 degrees idling or on the road. It doesn't look to bad either. IMO
Photos of original 302 engine & radiator in ugly engine compartment and of Mattson aluminum radiator in current engine compartment.
Bob
57 AGIN
Quote from: Zapato on 2012-10-19 08:53
Now that's what I call a hood ornament, Tim.
Zap- :unitedstates:
Zap,
Thanks, I am fortunate enough to have a Hot wife, and a hot car :burnout:
Tim :unitedstates:
To carry the outlet locations a bit further...I talked to Mike at Classic City Auto this morning. I was wanting to tell him the info on their website was wrong, which he was already aware of and had told "them" to get it fixed. We got in to the discussion of the outlet locations and he asked me what '57's the rad with the two on the left would fit, to which I replied none that I knew of. Apparently someone along the way told him some sixes had the lower fitting on the left. He asked if I would delve into it a little bit further for him since I was on this forum and see what I could find out from you guys.
512Fairlane has already confimed his 6 cyl. radiator was like mine ... top left, bottom right.
Bob..you mentioned your old 6 radiator was top left, but do you remember what side the bottom was?
would anybody else with knowledge of the 6 cyl. bottom fitting please chime in, or if there is something the two left fittings will work on. I don't want to tell him the radiator with the two on the left is not going to fit anything if it in fact will. This is an oportunity to help a '57 supplier to get it right.
Mike also told me he had the tooling for the radiator custom made at quite an expense to replicate the look of the stock radiator, and they are available with a black finish as well as standard aluminum and polished.
Also something else just occured to me..doesn't the 6 cyl. radiator mount further frontwards than the 8 cyl? I thought they did, and the difference being in the mounting rails of the radiator, not the core support.
James..do the mounting rails on the 8 cyl. ones you and your dad got appear to be in the correct position?
Mine looks like an aluminum copy of my original 272 V8 radiator...I'll get them both out in a little while and click some pics..
Just returned from the antique drags near Bakersfield, met the "Radiator Lady" her shop is in Lake Elsinore, Ca. she actually makes aluminum radiators for 1957 Fords, said the price would be around $300. Her contact # is 951-219-4707
Rich:
I'm pretty sure the outlet was on the bottom right. I sold the rebuilt radiator that came with the car a number of years ago and can't remember. You know the old STML (short term memory loss) problem. lol
Bob
57 AGIN
Thanks Bob. I was hoping to get LOTS of response on this so I could have some significant feedback to pass on to Auto City Classic....Gary, James, Rick, Bill, Lou, John, Pat, Jim, etc., etc. Maybe a poll would have been better, but I couldn't figure out how to input the reasons why a radiator other than top right/ bottom left for most 8's, and top left/bottom right for the sixes would be needed.
Thanks Rich
some pics of the radiator, but with the wrong inlet location. Still waiting on the replacement.
in case you were wondering about the pic id tags on the above pics...this is Frankie.... last week when I was working on the new front porch I hear this yelping....
Got the correct radiator in today. It looks like the one I posted pics of except the top inlet is on the right (and bottom on the left). It looks as good as the first one, so I won't post any pics.
The number on the box is 5759B, not A !
The number on my box is also 5758B, not A.
Got mine ordered. they honored the $249 price.
Quote from: JPotter57 on 2012-10-24 21:43
The number on my box is also 5758B, not A.
yours is 575
8B or 5759B?.... Try as we might to unconfuse issues....LOL
Well, 5759B...fatfingered the keyboard there Rich, lol..
Just to add another chapter in the wrong radiator saga. Just got my radiator yesterday and got the wrong radiator. Ordered one for a V8, specifically said I wanted the radiator connections top right, bottom left. The guy I ordered from said you want a 5759A with the connections top right, bottom left. The radiator I got had both connections on the left.
When I called to report the wrong radiator, they said I should have gotten a 5759B and would send a replacement. Also said they would investigate why someone would say I needed the wrong radiator. He said the 5759A has both connections on the left.
Their web site still shows the 5759A with both connections on the left & calls it the V8 radiator & the 5759B the "V-8 w/6 CYL mount". V-8 w/6 CYL mount? What's that? The A should just be called the 6 CYL & the B the V8.
You would think that they would have corrected that by now.
I think they are where they are on the problem because some "enlightened" source gave them some wrong info to begin with, and they are not going to immediately change their original designs until they get enough confirmation...which is why I was hoping to get a large number of guys to respond to my earlier post..which didn't happen. I still think the 5759B is correct for the v-8 and the one with two on the left is neither the 6 or the 8 in original configurations, but I'm only one guy. That said, I am totally surprised it happened again..sending out the wrong radiator. At least we got someone making what appears to be a real descent part for the right money. Have a little patience and they'll sort it out.
Rich
P.S. spent and hour or so with a hand drill and buffing wheel on the tank top...looks awesome...And picked up a billet 7# radiator cap for it.
When I called they informed me not to go by the website. You had to call and tell them where the hose connections are.
The radiator for the six has the upper hose going to the driver side upper tank and the lower hose going to the passenger side lower tank. . The brackets are also different , the six radiator sits more forward in the core support because the six is longer than the v8 so they needed more room for the fan. The trick thing to do is have six cylinder brackets installed on a 8 cylinder radiator , it will give you about 1 inch extra clearance for the fan especially on a motor swap.the radiator with both outlets on the same side is not for any factory installed motor installed in our cars and it does not have a six cylinder bracket installed . The way to tell the two brackets apart is the six has the mounting surface more toward the back side of the core and the v8 is more flush with the front of the core. Here is a link to a 58 with a six
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1958-FORD-CUSTOM-300-2-Door-Sedan-/271089067601?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3f1e2ae651#ht_500wt_1021
I just ordered an Aluminum Radiator for my Black '57 sedan.
I discussed the getting the radiator anodized or collored black, but the resources they have been using are not availiable at this time.
Since I want my stuff to look factory original, I am going to put a coat of black epoxy, followed with a coat of black Single stage urethane with a little flatner added. I feel it is alright to coat the tanks well. I suggest nothing but a very light coat on the fins, just enough to get them looking black as to not hurt the heat transfer.
There was a mention to the origianl 6 cyl radiator having offset bracket to move the radiator ahead which is correct. This is helpful for fan clutches or engine swaps.
On my factory radiator support I actually trimed a 1" strip out of the radiator support side where where the origianal radiator bolts on. I then welded the brackets back on, metal finished it, and repainted it. It looks totally stock, but gave me an extra inch of radiator to fan clearance. This allowed me to use a fan clutch with multi-blade fan. This helps prevent as much damage if a belt comes off, as the fan will stop if anything comes loose. Also the aftermarket fan blade helps with cooling. I can get part numbers if someone needs.
I can send somebody pictures of how to modify your radiator support to move it ahead another inch with the original style radiator if they or PM me.
Thanks for putting information on this new 57-59 Ford item on the forum! I am excited to get one.
Pat
Pat...good timing...I was looking at my core support thinking about cutting a narrow slot at the top on each side to allow the radiator to slide down in front of the attaching area, then using 1" spacers to move it forward. I wasn't sure if these slots would weaken the structural integrety of the support. Also another posible downside is the radiator probably couldn't be removed from the car with the hood on.
I also haven't made any definite decisions about what engine, so I obviously don't know what I'll end up with as far as fans/schrouds/push or pull electric/etc. I am probably getting ahead of myself on the radiator placement.
I can take some pictures of a modified radiator support this weekend. I may need help posting pictures on the forum as I haven't learned how to upload pictures to the site.
Rich,The slot you are looking at cutting is where I take the slice out. I just weld it back together with everything slid ahead an inch.
I have actually cut, welded, ground and painted one in the car. I normally have the rad. support on the bench and test fit the actual radiator before welding .
The lower lip on the radiator support in the radiator opening needs trimed down, as now the radiator actually sits in the radiator support some instead of behind it. You want ot keep the radiator as low as you can to help with hood clearance.
It's nice to be able to use an original style radiator if you ever need to replace it.