Finally my 57 Ranchero is painted.
The paint shop call and tells me that they began to load the glass and regulators into the doors, but there are 2 parts missing.
They have lost parts in the past, and I know they just deny it.
Anyway I need a part for each door quickly, as they dont want the car in the shop much longer.
Can anybody help me out, with these parts ?
The pictures show what I need.
I will gladly pay anyone whatever price, that they think that the parts are worth
I'm in Pa Zip 18612
Part # B7A 5823230-A
23230-1 Bracket ASSY ---Front Door Window Regulator Equalizer Arm
I may be wrong, and I'm a little confused by the two studs on the channel, but are these not the pieces that are actually spotwelded to the inside of the door? I remember having to cut mine out when I installed my electric windows.
I don't know, I looked inside of the door, and didn't see anything.
If the pics of the channels that you added were actually the ones that were taken out of your car, then I agree, yours were bolted on. I looked in my box of door parts I had removed, and found one only. Mine definetly were spot welded on...no studs, just grind marks where I had cut it off the door. This may be another of Ford's variations in manufacturing processes, and may make it difficult to find those channels if at least some were a welded assembly. Your welcome to the one I have...I must have tossed the other.
I just went out to the garage and had a look at my Ranchero door, cause I know I've seen those before. Turns out, my Ranchero doors have those spot welded to the inner door structure. They are 5 5/8 inches long.
BUT, I knew I saw them somewhere. The REAR doors on the 57 Fairlane 500 I am using for my Ranchero project have them. In the pics I will post here, you can't really read the ruler, because of the bloody camera flash, but the bolt on ones are 5 7/8 inches long, and the bolt centres are 4 15/16 apart. Hope this helps.
I have one of these out that I can give you ( no charge), as they will just go to scrap when I am done anyway. The other one if you are desperate enough, I would have to carve out a piece of the other rear door that is not dismantled yet.
You can have them if the measurements are correct for your project. You would just pay shipping charges from Alberta Canada.
The first pic is the Ranchero piece that is still spot welded to the inner Ranchero door.
The loose window mechanism you can see obviously is a rear door because of the shape of the glass.
John....I was going to send Ken the one I had, sounds like with the one you have we have him covered. Glad you confirmed the spotweld I mentioned....really makes me curious about what is going on with his...lots of stuff can happen over 50 years.
Could it be the door skin was replaced?
I doubt it has anything to do with the doorskin. This piece is spot welded to the inner door.
I am going to cut the second one out of the other door today, and put both of them in the snail mail ( mail here in Canada is brutally slow), and send them to him.
I am curious as to the measurements. We will see I guess when he goes to install them. I'm sure he could make them work, even if the aren't the same length though. Can't imagine Ford making a bunch of different lengths of them, but you never know.
Changes in manufacturing happen all the time. Revision A: spot weld to door. Saves $.05 material and labor. Just guessing, too many years in manufacturing :003:
Okay, so that was pretty quick, and I needed to strip this door before winter anyway, and get it gone.
The disassembly with a 4 1/2 inch cutting wheel on a grinder goes way way faster than taking the door handles off the hard way. Might I offer this method for anyone in a hurry, although reassembly might be somewhat problematic. ( The pieces you need are in perfect shape, but I can't say the same for the door they came off of.)
Regardless, I am on the way to the post office, and will put them in a small padded envelope, and ship them the fastest way, and you should have them in a few days. I don't think it will be much money, so I am suggesting that you just give a donation to this site to help James out with the costs of running it.
Let us know when you receive them. On the way to the post office now. Good luck with your project.
He may end up with an extra one...I sent the one I had off this morning...post office said Tuesday.
I'm still wondering about the diagram showing 2 long studs...where would the studs go?? seems like they'd protrude awfully far beyond the inner door panel...maybe for the arm rests?
Don't worry about the $...what John suggested with the forum donation is what I normally do with small parts anyway.
Well, that was quite an experience. Went to the local pharmacy where they have a Canada Post outlet, where you can send and receive packages. The gal detected, inspected, neglected and rejected it ( to quote Arlo Guthrie), and said that it wouldn't leave Lethbridge AB till Monday at 5 PM. This is 10:00 AM Saturday. Nobody works for Canada Post on weekends. Then it would be a day to go to Calgary, then on the big bird to Eastern Canada, where I presume the Prime Minister has to okay all packages going to the U.S. and sign off on it. She says Express Post will be 5 business days minimum, after being picked up on Monday. That would be 32 dollars for this package and if I want to send it Priority Post, it "might" knock off 1 or 2 days from that schedule for double the price.
I left there disgusted. Went to UPS, closed down because everyone hates them for their brokerage charges coming into Canada. Some express trucking outfit does their business here now, but they are closed till Monday. This is still before noon on Saturday.
We live in a city of almost 100,000 and everyone is closed till Monday. Fedex closed. Purolator courier closed. That's all the options we have here. I expedited freight in the oil patch for almost 3 decades and I can't believe this. If I were still doing that for a living, I would be driving down the 65 miles across the border and sending it from within the U.S. with a courier or the U.S. post office.
So, these pieces are sitting in front of me till Monday morning. I might just drive down to the border Monday morning anyway, as I have some packages at Montana Shipping Outlet in Sweetgrass where I have my stuff shipped to. Its easier and cheaper that way. If I were to have these same packages shipped to me from the U.S. by UPS, for example, they would charge me a 75 dollar brokerage fee for doing the paperwork on the pieces. That is why everyone up here hates UPS so much.
So, I will talk to my buddy and we might just drive down to Sweetgrass on Monday and put them in the U.S. post. Your post office still works reasonably well from what I can see.
Sorry for the delay.
Oh, and Rich, I think there is a slightly recessed area on the inner door where these bolt heads reside. That is why they don't protrude out through the upholstery panel.
Thanks so much, for all the quick & insightfull responses, you guys are fantastic !!!
I'm looking forward to receiving the brackets, and I'll be sure to post the results, when they are installed.
Ken
Yup, my buddy Jer is going to the border on Monday to pick up some stuff I bought, so he will put these in the mail there. Should be about 3 days to you or so after that. Way quicker than mailing them from here. Good luck.
Ken,the funny thing is...I'm really expecting you to find the originals spotwelded on when you take a second look, lol.
Rich, if you are right about them already spot welded in, that would be embarrassing for me !!!
Don't be embarresed if they are...they're not that easy to see. For your body shop's sake, I'm hoping they are attached...otherwise trying to figure out exactly where and how to mount them is going to be a pain in the butt.
Jer put it in the mail today in Sweetgrass, MT. They said you should have it Thursday. Good luck with it. It was only a little over 6 dollars. Far cry from mailing it from here for both cost and time of delivery.
I received the brackets today, Thank you !!
This A.M. I took them to the body shop, and mentioned that you guys here on the forum said the brackets are most likely welded into the door assembly.
He seemed surprised, but when he looked into the driver door, NO BRACKET was there, however a bracket WAS spot welded inside the passenger door.
He was confident that he could attach the bracket to the driver side, after taking careful measurement of the other side.
Now that I think of it, when I bought the Ranchero, it came with an 2 extra doors, as the previous owner was going to replace both doors, as they were fairly rusty.
I'll let you know what happened as I am going back to the shop on Wednesday.
Again thanks so much for the brackets & the quick & knowledgable responses.
I would like to make a donation to the site, but I could not figure out how to do it.
Just curious...the one I sent never got there? Was suppose to be this past Tuesday.
Rich
Yes, I received it, thank you very much.
I finally found out how to donate to the forum, and have sent a PayPal donation this evening.