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Title: Argent Silver substitute?
Post by: Swank on 2017-05-14 12:56
Any suggestions of a box store rustoleum rattle-can type substitute for Argent Silver? ...or does it matter much?  Never seen the original in person, that i know of.
Title: Re: Argent Silver substitute?
Post by: 57fordwagon on 2017-05-14 15:47
Swank,
Eastwood a real nice "Argent Silver" in a spray can.  I've found theirs to be the best.  I assume you're painting something like a '57 gravel shield behind the front bumper.  Argent Silver isn't glossy; it should have a matte finish.  There are a lot of spray-can silvers at any True Value, but I don't know how close they'd come to looking authentic.   
Title: Re: Argent Silver substitute?
Post by: Swank on 2017-05-15 12:40
yeah, looking to paint a couple things, ...like the air cleaner for example.
it was in the floor when I got it, put it in the magic vinegar bucket, and put some silver high temp (only thing I had at the time) to keep it from rusting right back up.  just wondering how close to argent I am,  it looks a little light on the silver part to me, but it is matte.  I'll probably have to check out eastwoods.

Title: Re: Argent Silver substitute?
Post by: billd5string on 2017-05-15 16:28
Swank - I think those make the most impressive before and after pictures I've ever seen. Very impressive!
Title: Re: Argent Silver substitute?
Post by: Swank on 2017-05-15 21:54
Thanks,  the magic bucket is about 1 part white vinegar and 2 parts water.  Was kinda skeptical, but it came out almost brand new, no scrubbing or buffing, just a rinse and a wipe down.  Now i throw everything in that bucket. 
Title: Re: Argent Silver substitute?
Post by: rmk57 on 2017-05-16 08:58
How long did you leave the air cleaner in for? Turned out really nice by the way.
Title: Re: Argent Silver substitute?
Post by: Swank on 2017-05-16 11:11
I believe 5 or 6 days on that one, give it a stir every couple days.  the rust literally just dissolves away.  you have to immediately rinse it with water and dry though.  the vinegar residue left exposed to air will start some crazy corrosion.
Title: Re: Argent Silver substitute?
Post by: John Palmer on 2017-05-16 23:22
Swank, I use Rust-Oleum from Home Depot.  It comes in the larger "Professional" sized cans, the color is called aluminum part#7515.  It's less than $6/can and I use it often on my trailer parts it holds up very well, just make sure you shoot some grey primer under it.  It's really close to argent silver both in color and shine.
Title: Re: Argent Silver substitute?
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-17 08:16
This subject always interest me. Almost every car manufacture in the 50's had a listing for some shade of Argent in their paint codes. Why they used that name is beyond me, Argent is simply a French word for silver.
Title: Re: Argent Silver substitute?
Post by: John Palmer on 2017-05-17 10:17
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2017-05-17 08:16
This subject always interest me. Almost every car manufacture in the 50's had a listing for some shade of Argent in their paint codes. Why they used that name is beyond me, Argent is simply a French word for silver.

Jim, Are you suggesting that we should be calling it SILVER SILVER ?
Title: Re: Argent Silver substitute?
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-17 10:45
Quote from: John Palmer on 2017-05-17 10:17
Jim, Are you suggesting that we should be calling it SILVER SILVER ?
Well technically that would be correct :003: From what I was told at one point in time they used the Argent name  because there were already gloss type Silver paints being used on cars. Thats just what I remember that an old timer car painter told me. This was back in the 60's when I wanted the top of my 57 silver and he laughed and said are you sure you don't want Argent. and thats were I got the info, how true I have no idea. I ended up using a Cadillac silver.

I think Ford used different shades of Argent over the years. Seems the Mustang rally wheel paint is readily available, it's close, maybe just a little darker?
Title: Re: Argent Silver substitute?
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-05-17 11:57
Jim
    You must have been talking to the same old guy that told me the same thing back in the olden days.
     Argent is silver.
Jay
Title: Re: Argent Silver substitute?
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-17 13:13
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2017-05-17 11:57
Jim
    You must have been talking to the same old guy that told me the same thing back in the olden days.
     Argent is silver.
Jay
And now I'm the old guy with Argent hair  :003:
Title: Re: Argent Silver substitute?
Post by: terry_208 on 2017-05-17 18:23
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2017-05-17 13:13
And now I'm the old guy with Argent hair  :003:

Hair...What's that?
Title: Re: Argent Silver substitute?
Post by: Swank on 2017-05-17 23:02
thanks Palmer,
i'll check that out if I can make it there before I order anything online.  they have too many "silvers" these days.
Title: Re: Argent Silver substitute?
Post by: lalessi1 on 2017-05-18 07:34
I used a Duplicolor paint "BGM0535 Silver Met" matching it to the underside of the splash pan. it dries to a matte sheen. I used another Duplicolor color "BGM0522 Storm Gray Met" for the gray trim inside my Custom.
Title: Re: Argent Silver substitute?
Post by: tdd on 2017-05-22 19:33
Auto Zone sells VHT rattle can Ford Argent paint. I painted my splash pan and air cleaner. Looks great
Title: Re: Argent Silver substitute?
Post by: SkylinerRon on 2017-05-25 20:01
Perfect match, SEM spray paint available at body shop supply stores.
Ford Argent is all the same, part # D7AZ-19000-A.

Ron.
Title: Re: Argent Silver substitute?
Post by: Swank on 2017-05-26 07:49
Thanks, thats good to know.   I picked up some rustoleum aluminum #7515 (~5$) and it looks way better than the stuff i put on the air cleaner originally, but i did run across a rattlecan with the D7AZ number (~14$) while ordering some odds and ends on the C&G site, so im tossing it in the cart for comparisons sake.  Not going for a genuine restoration, just interested.
Title: Re: Argent Silver substitute?
Post by: Jeff Norwell on 2017-05-26 15:17
I use a duplicolor ---ford color called Silver frost..non metallic and not a shiny paint.
Title: Re: Argent Silver substitute?
Post by: cokefirst on 2017-05-28 20:30
I use white vinegar straight from the bottle.  You dilute 1 to 2.  Is there some reason you don't use it full strength?  I bought an Eastwood tin/zinc plating kit and start with putting the parts in vinegar first then a good rinse and then plate.  The plate looks good and it keeps stuff from rusting so quick
Title: Re: Argent Silver substitute?
Post by: Swank on 2017-05-30 09:42
Most recipes i found online were from 33% to 50% vinegar, so i started with that. Turns out that was preferable for my big bucket as it holds aprox 25 gallons. Not that 25 gals of vinegar is expensive, just dragging that much from the store would be a pain.  I also have a crockpot for smaller parts with straight vinegar.  It does work faster than the watered down big bucket (1-2 days compared to 5-7), but i feel the straight vinegar is a little harsh. The parts out of straight vinegar have more grip, feel slightly textured or etched where the ones out of the mixed vinegar feel pretty smooth, depending on how much rust is coming off of course.  And also, when i was rebuilding the generator, i threw the front and back plates, pulley/fan, nuts, bolts, etc in the straight vinegar bucket to knock it out fast, ...the brush springs never came back out. Didnt look too rusty before even, little surface rust like everything else in the car and still springy, but were completely dissolved in 24hrs, everything else was fine, no springs. Put me out a week waiting for new springs. So, if i have the time i like to use the mixed version, although my reasoning might be closer to superstition at this point.
Title: Re: Argent Silver substitute?
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-05-30 11:43
I wonder why it doesn't like the springs, they should be spring steel shouldn't they. They had two different end plate designs over the years and different springs and I don't know when they changed. Good luck finding good replacements, I bought some from two different suppliers and they probably get them from the same place and they lasted no time, just broke in half. This was on my 60 truck that has the newer cheap design, I finally found an older plate and used it, I hope you have the earlier design.