I made these brackets up using 1/4 steel plate. The studs are taper head bolts, countersunk and welded on the back side. With these plates, I can use the stock motor mounts. On the left side of the block, there is a casting ear that needs to be grounded off. There are a couple of minor mods that need to be done to the chassis. One is the long nuts that hold the upper A arm to the frame, where the shims are. You need to use a standard nut instead of the long ones that are on the car. The second mod involves the upper a arms mounts. It is real easy and can be done on the car. I will show that in the next post.
The A arm mount sticks out too far and interferes with the water outlet on the left front side, and exhaust manifold on the rear passenger side. I am using a 4.6 from a 93 Lincoln Towncar with stock exhaust manifolds. So if you use something else like headers, they may clear the passenger side. To modify the mount, all I did was remove the green shaded material with a cut off wheel. Then bent the lip, (pointed out by red arrows) so that it follows the yellow vertical line. Then re-weld it.
For the transmission mount, I am using the Lincoln set up. The crossmember is a lot wider than the 57. Plus it has a double hump for exhaust pipe clearance. I just cut it down, reflattened the ends, and drilled the holes. Then just made up some mounts and welded them to the frame. The Lincoln mounts the crossmember on rubber. I am sticking with that set up. Should help keep vibrations down.
what are your plans for a wiring harness on the efi motor ? thanks, Mark
I stripped a complete and running Towncar. So I have every stitch of wire from front to back. I plan on using all the electrical stuff from the Lincoln, including power seats, power mirrors, power windows, cruise control, & digital dash. I'm going to shorten the 8.8 and use that because it has disc brakes and a sway bar.
What type of transmission are you running.
Quote from: Frankenstein57 on 2007-05-20 16:22
what are your plans for a wiring harness on the efi motor ? thanks, Mark
The origional MARK VIII harness (engine and trans control)
Yea, I'm using the original Lincoln AODE along with all the wiring harnesses. Its from a Towncar though, not a Mark VIII. I wish it were a Mark VIII.
Isn't there a sensor in the rear end that tells it when to change gears. i would think that it being a different lenght it would affect the Shifting. one of my buddies tried using all the drive train off a 1996 Explorer and couldn't get it to shift properly so he used a AOD. He had to changed so parts in the engine arear to accept the trans kickdown cable. thats the reason i'm asking.
There are no sensors in the center section. The speed sensor is in the transmission. There are ABS sensors on the end of each axle but I will not be using the ABS system.
Quote from: fomocochoptop on 2007-05-21 17:10
Isn't there a sensor in the rear end that tells it when to change gears. i would think that it being a different lenght it would affect the Shifting. one of my buddies tried using all the drive train off a 1996 Explorer and couldn't get it to shift properly so he used a AOD. He had to changed so parts in the engine arear to accept the trans kickdown cable. thats the reason i'm asking.
Yes. The PCM receives speed signal from the speed sensor to determine shift points. The PCM is set for whatever rear end ratio came in the car. So if one uses a different rear ratio, it will confuse the PCM and erratic shifting will occur.
The PCM has to be flashed for the new ratio. You can also remove emmission settings (to stop MIL) and recurve ignition and/or fuel trim.
QuoteYes. The PCM receives speed signal from the speed sensor to determine shift points.
So your saying I have to use the anti-lock sensors? If so then will I will have to use the ABS computer? As far as the ratio, I'm using the same rear so that will not be a problem.
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Quote from: Mavaholic on 2007-05-22 04:15
So your saying I have to use the anti-lock sensors? If so then will I will have to use the ABS computer? As far as the ratio, I'm using the same rear so that will not be a problem.
No. What I was describing is the determining of transmission shift points by the PCM (Powertrain Control Module). If you are using the Towncar rear asm., you should have no problem. He is using a 4.11 9".
BTW- If your speed sensor does not have a mechanical speedometer hookup, use one from a later SOHC MUST.
Have you checked out -SULLIVAN PERFORMANCE- (http://www.sullivanperformance.com/)?
It is possible to manually carburate and ford the IGN (MSD) without the factory electronics.
-MODULAR IGNITION CONTROLLER- (http://www.msdignition.com/2006/06-20.htm)
-RON FRANCIS WIRING- (http://www.wire-works.com/)
-MODULAR WIRING HARNESSES- (http://www.thedetailzone.com/Ford%204.6%20&%205.4%20EFI.htm)
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QuoteBTW- If your speed sensor does not have a mechanical speedometer hookup, use one from a later SOHC MUST.
Actually I'm going to try to use the digital dash out of the Lincoln. BUt I will keep that in mind just incase it doesn't work. Got any more pictures of your set up?
Hey Kultulz, what have you got going on in the picture? Looks like a 57 frame , but whats up with the strutt suspension? Looks cool -but you got some splainin to do! thanks, Mark
Quote from: Frankenstein57 on 2007-05-27 19:33
Hey Kultulz, what have you got going on in the picture? Looks like a 57 frame , but whats up with the strutt suspension? Looks cool -but you got some splainin to do! thanks, Mark
DISCLAIMER:
This is not my build. It is a buddy's and he is from WV so certain liberties he has taken are now understood...
Both of us are (and always have been) certified 57 FORD FREAKS. Now he always had a good job and as a result, became use to the ride of MARK VII/VIII. He wanted to build one last nice ride and got this crazy idea he wants the ride as nice as his air-ride MARK VII. So he finds an engine cradle from a 83 CONT and grafts it onto the 57 frame. He thinks he will have the smooth ride the strut suspension offered on the CONT. He now also has disc brake/power rack. He sets a 72 351C into it and it is coming along fairly nicely (expert body man).
FAST FORWARD-
He has this nice 95 MARK VIII. Beautiful. He takes the notion he wants the powertrain in the 57. He parts it out. That is what you see now. He then starts going through the frame. Decides he wants 4W disc. Buys a GM changeover kit.
He has put new floors and quarters on it (CUSTOM body) and is prepping the body to sit back down on it and color it.
While not 100% dedicated FORD, at least outwardly it will appear stock.
I will try and get some photos together.
-MY ORIGIONAL CONCERN OVER THIS WORK- (http://www.mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Forum22/HTML/000192.html)
Now don't get me wrong, hell of a nice guy. I guess he is not just as purist as I am.
Hey I think its COOL,as long as you don't drop a chevy small block in that thing, its all good. I have a colapsed rear frame by the rear spring shackle on my ranchero, my racecar buddy wants to whack the rear frame, and re-stub it with a 4-bar suspension. A couple of other ideas I have are installing a short roll bar behind the seat, to mount the belts on. I'm also looking at a fuel cell to solve the small gas tank problem, all sorts of upgrades. The way I see it, if your'e not going totaly stock- mix in some technology have fun, Mark
well don't look now , but theres a 57 sedan delivery on e-bay with a 350 small nlock chevy in it. bid is up to $12,000.00 and the reserve aint been met
I realize that I am anal. Even the sight of a STANT radiator cap or INTERSTATE battery will get me going. This HEI distributor conversion (DUI) really ruffles my fur.
As for modifying a damaged frame, there is nothing wrong there if done with taste.
Just don't take a nice car and do unnatural things to it, please!
So you don't think a 95 mark 8 with a 57 body on it is un natural huh?
what unnatural to me is taking sbc and bbc and transplanting em into fords
Ford into a Ford is good.....if you have to change the engine out. I do make the chebby guys cringe with my 36 Chevy, it has a 351C/FMX :003:, Must II and Granada rear!
cool, wonder what the chebby gang would say about a 55 chebby wit a 427 side oiler in it , hehehehehe
I'm all for that boys, Ford in a Ford. What is unnatural to me are Japanese cars with American flags stuck on the back, just seems wrong to me. don't care where they build em. later, Mark
^5 mark
I heard a story once about a guy who had a 57 chevy with a ford motor, I think it was a 351. Took it to a show, and by the time he got back, it had been severely keyed by some annoyed spectators. Don't know if it's a true story or not, but going by the reactions I get from the scrub guys around here when I mention dropping a ford in a chevy, I don't have a hard time believing it. Hey, if it's good for fords, it should also be good to return the favor!
I know for a fact there's a guy running a mopar-powered camaro at Lebanon Valley from time to time. :003:
The way I look at it, do whatever you want to your car if it makes you happy. If you build it to please others, chances are you won't enjoy it. I get annoyed with the whole "chevy in a ford" thing too. It's the cheap & lazy way out. Why spend big $$$ to make your car stand out, only to drop in the cookie cutter billet-laden sbc abomination.
I don't buy into the whole "it's less expensive & more dependable" routine either. HP costs money, regardless of the brand name. Despite what some chevy guys believe, a stock 350 doesn't make 500 horsepower just by flipping over the air cleaner. Dependable? I've run my 312 for quite a few years, while some of my chevy compadres have been through a few rebuilds in the same time.
I'm long winded here, but I'll end with this: I know of a guy who's got a '56 t-bird with a 455 olds motor. You should hear this thing! He brings it to the Southbury car show every September, and when he pulls in, the t-bird club practically faints, but he did a nice job with it. Old-school hot-rod. Loud! I'll admit I get a kick out of that thing.
Quote from: Frankenstein57 on 2007-05-29 21:34
So you don't think a 95 mark 8 with a 57 body on it is un natural huh?
Yes and no... :002:
hell i know a guy that put a 500 inch caddy in a 65 plymouth and it wouldn't surprise me to see a SOHC 427 in a shoe box chevy. if it anit been done yet it will be at some point in time. thats just part of hot rodding. a ol girl friend of mine in high school brother dumped 401 buick in a 54ford.
just because i don't personal like a certain car motor combo. don't give me the right to screw with a mans ride or him. thats why they call it hot rodding. different strokes for different folks
Lots of good points, when I grew up my brother and I got hooked on dirt short track racing. He is 8 years older than I, and soon started building a car. His first car was a 55ford, 312 y-block. he was to young to drive, and had the neighbor driving it with limited sucess. Then they built a 57 ,406 -did ok. Well he got hooked up with some chevy guys , wound up building one , never came back to ford. In 74, I bought a former track champs 57ford , put in a medium riser 427, had a ball, won 13 races rookie year.After 5 seasons racing ford sportsmans, I moved up to late models. Fe motors pretty much dried up in supply, I was forced to buy a chevy (not rich) had many great years, But,,, my point is I came back to my 57 fords, wouldn't dream of putting anything else under the hood , go blue oval!!!!!
I saw a a '57 Tudor wagon at a car show here in Sandwich, Illinois over Memorial Day weekend, that had a 32 valve Lincoln Mark VIII in it. It was a beautiful piece of work. He too, used a lot of other parts from the Lincoln.
I remember seeing a '55 Chevy once with a 440 Mopar in it. A few years back a guy turned up at a Corvette show here with a very early 'vette ('54 maybe?) that had a real funny sound when he pulled into the show. To the horror of the "cactus crowd" (You all know the difference between a cactus and a Corvette, right?) it had a full-race Ford Flathead in it. They changed their show rules the following year so that this couldn't happen again.
I have a 36 Chevy 2 Dr. Sdn with a 351C/FMX. It was a junk yard motor in 1974 out of a 72 Ranchero. No idea how many miles were on it but I have 135K on the car with no failures! Talk about causing a little ruckus.......the Chevy guys just look and shake their head and the Ford guys love it!
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