hello. new to forum have been browising for a while and love the info. I know i read a similar post to my question but was looking for some other info...figured I'd start a new one. First off I'm new to old cars. green as grass lol. getting a 460 and figured I'd do the swap..why not right? my question is about motor and tranny mounts. i know of 3 company's that make the parts i need just looking for a review basically. I cant make my own mounts no welder/experience with fabricating so in the intrest of time i need bolt in. I've read good and bad on crites kits. they seem to take a long time and seem to give people the run around. the other company was dear burn classic...haven't read of anyone with this kit. last was gear head cruiser product. they seem expensive and have read horror stories about their steering box kit. any experience with this company and their other products? thank you very much for your help and please excuse my limited knowledge on the subject...tried reading as much as i could before posting. i am a mechanic by the way but am much better with newer cars. (5 years in...still green but if you need help with newer stuff I'll try my best to contribute)
Welcome to the club :006:
I had good service from Crites and happy with their product.
I used FPA headers for more ground clearance.
Hope this helps.
Thanks for the welcome and advice! ps since i'm swaping out my 312 with 3spd its avaliable if anyone wants it...i'm on li in ny
I didn't use their mounts but did use their headers and they fit pretty good. tight around steering box but thats to be expected, 460 is a pretty big big chunk of iron. All the other
small stuff takes time and some fabricating skill to, trans linkage, cooler lines, throttle linkage, cooling system, exhaust system, driveshaft,...........and more. This what made for motor
mounts,the trans mount is finished with all the e-brake hardware welded on. Good luck Randy
thanks for the help
I used the Crites mounts and headers. They fit well, but the header collectors come out aimed right at the trans crossmember. I had to cut notches in both sides to get the exhaust pipes(3" dia.) through. Also you'll need an offset oil filter mount to clear the headers. I got mine from a van.
The headers hang low, so speed bumps are NOT your friend. The guys who are using the FPA shorties don't have this problem. Clearance to the stock steering box is close but OK. I installed a 587 power steering box from ABS Brakes and there is even more clearance.
Larry
they seen like the way to go. placed my order today...hope get them and get the motor in for the summer. thanks to alll for the help and advice
I'd use the FPA shorties unless the car is jacked up.
I've had them both ways :003:
X2 on what Shopratwoody says!
These are the 74 - 87 F250 460 mounts my son and I used to put the 429 in his 59 Edsel wagon. They originally placed the oil pan below the crossmember and the lower mount stud was too close to the frame mount and the nut wouldn't go on. He picked up a couple of the approx 1/4 " galvanized bearing plates from Lowes deck dept. They raised the engine enough to allow the nuts to fit. The third pic shows clearence over stock 59 air filter and hood. Please note the 59 Edsel hood hinges are on the firewall vs hood latch on firewall of 59 fords. #1 sparkplug is approx in line with forward upper a arm attaching bolt.
Bossguy what are you using for steering?
The ABS brake booster arrived last nite. Steering wise we still haven't decided between wildhogs rack and pinion, ABS bolt in box or Borgesons P/s box. Borgesons is the cheapest but I'm not a big fan of steel welded to cast iron adapters. ABS says theirs is not welded which makes me curious as to the origin of the box. The R&P is from a much lighter car. I'm still doing research on it.
I know this is an old topic, but Bossguy if you're still out there, what did you use for cooling and how was the clearance to the radiator?
radiator to water pump clearance is an issue. Plenty of room except for a fan. Check out 429 shorter water pump setup. Mine is custom core support, custom radiator, Cooling Components electric fans and shroud, Dakota Digital fan controller.
If you can find one use the C8SE water pump. They came on 68-69 Thunderbirds and also Boss 429 Mustangs. My core support is trimmed for a bigger aftermarket radiator and also for a fan clutch. The fan is from E-250 Ford van, slightly over 19 inches. Mine doesn't seem to need any other electric fans, shrouds, etc. It's simple and it works, never gets over 185 degrees. Forgot to mention I have around 5/8"- 3/4" clearance.
The water pump is readily available but pulleys and brackets are harder to find. I had a mechanical fan on mine but with power steering and air, the pulleys are much too close to the fan blades. Big difference between running one belt and three.
I used Crites motor mounts, transmission crossmember / mount, and their headers (2inch) tubes, to put a 460 in my 57 custom 300 ( Woody mostly ).. The project went well. The car has 15" wheels, stock front end, the lowest header tube is 3.5 inches above the pavement.. just my 2 cents, have fun..
glenmichael can you get a photo of your crossmember installation? I have the same Crites parts and wonder if mine is installed correctly. I may have put it in too low which pulls the back of the motor down.
The height of the transmission mount is really limited by the trans and trans tunnel itself. My trans (C6) is mounted as high in the tunnel as you can get it, I even ground
off part of the two outside ribs on trans case so I could gain a bit more clearance to get the carburetor pad to sit level.
For the C6, I modified the tunnel rather than weaken the back of the C6 case. Lighter duty C6 cases are available without the ribs.
I started a post here titled 312 out 460 in, I think the end shows a good picture, I can look to see if I have more of the install..
Thanks. I found your photos. You installed the lip on the end plates over the top of the frame. I put mine under the frame. That was my mistake. It works, but the engine is tilted down slightly which causes the fan to not be parallel to the radiator. Now I can't fit a shroud over the fan. I have the Crites radiator and shroud, but haven't been able to use them. What I did was get an Afco radiator which turns out to be the same size. Then cut the Rad support to move it forward and was running a clutch fan from a '68 Lincoln. Now I am using an Afco electric fan and shroud. Now that I have added a/c I'm having cooling issues. The 2170 cfm 16" fan just can't move enough air. Still searching for a larger fan that will move more air. Anyone have suggestions?
Quote from: glenmichael on 2018-05-31 12:20
I started a post here titled 312 out 460 in, I think the end shows a good picture, I can look to see if I have more of the install..
http://57fordsforever.com/smf/index.php?topic=6410.msg53670#msg53670