I know this is not exactly a 57 Ford, but it is the same body, so does this count? haha
I bought a great survivor 1958 Edsel Bermuda from AZ. I will be doing a mostly original build on it. Will keep color/interior and just update the driving components a bit.
- Building a 410 FE for it and will start with a carb but probably go to fitech eventually.
- Upgrading brakes to 4 wheel power disk.
- I also reengineered the teletouch system to use modern components. I will post some info on that later.
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Amazing James.... Those rear tail lights are what every Customizer lusts for....Very nice.!
Big thumbs up from me, I used to own a 58 Villager a few years back. Good idea revising the Teletouch system. I had the shift motor rewound in mine and it was still hit and miss when the engine got warmed up. Looks like sunset coral and colonial white, nice color combo, nice car.
Gotta love that Arizona tin. I that 64 Fairlane next to the Edsel the car someone in your family had with a '57 dash? What am I thinking of?
No, that 64 fairlane is a t-bolt clone I finished early last year. It is your standard fare wimbledon white with ivy gold interior.
Hey! It is a 57 with a different finish on it! My Edsel has very piece of rubber and seals from a 57 so I'm OK with you breaking the rules. Will be interested in how you "up graded" the Teletouch. Mine works well but am aware of the "history" they have.
Basically restored except the interior, it is all white sewn in stock patterns.
The design is very simple. A linear actuator that drives a cable that is attached to the shift lever. The system is controlled by an arduino that I wrote a program to handle the simple shift case and also takes into account vehicle speed and brakes to make sure you are not shifting when you should not be.
The principle improvement over the original system is the fact that all critical parts mount under the dash. This keeps the elements and heat from the engine causing problems when the engine is warm.
Also, the park problem is solved because with a modern actuator, they are geared to provide a lot of force in a small package.
So far, the prototype has only been bench tested. But, the bench testing was very promising.
I have been taking some pictures as I progress and will make a little writeup for it when I am done.
My goal is to be driving this car by this fall, so I guess I will find out how good it really is.
I had no idea what the Arduino was so I "googled it". It sounds very cool...learned my something for today! Thanks.
When I bought mine it had a piece of flat bar and big hole cut in the floor for a shifter. Most of them did I guess or convert over to a column shift.
I have not updated in a while. Sold the 64 Fairlane to build a new building! More room for 57s.
The engine has been in and out of the car a few times for test fitting.
Front suspension has been powder coated along with front fender wells, radiator support.
Borgeson box installed.
Brakes upgraded to SN-95. These are a kit my friend makes at CSRP that bolts directly to granada spindle.
Modern teletouch has been tested with C6 Transmission in the car. Just need to get printed circuit board made for reliability
The one rusty floor pan has been replaced.
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Edsel is looking really solid, James. You sold the black wagon to your brother, correct? It's now here in Amarillo? I think I saw it at the Hillside meet the first Saturday in December. There was a black wagon there, but never saw who drove it there, so not sure if it was your old one or not. The one I saw had rust issue in the driprails?
Yep. I sold my black wagon to my brother. It is solid car but nice made a home in headliner one winter and it started to rust. I miss that car all the time because you could drive it anywhere.
Trying to make my edsel as reliable with FE. Wish me luck!
I feel the FE was one of the best Ford put out there. Close to 200K in my 73 F100 360 pulling a trailer with the Boss on it, fuel, tires, tool box and jacks in the bed and never a problem. Used a little oil, was a gas hog loaded but never failed to start or miss a beat!
Only reason I sold it was I "THOUGHT" I didn't need a truck after I quit racing. My error in thinking lasted about seven months (that would be the 84 Med/Gulf/India Ocean deployment on good ol USS Amaerica CV-66) where upon return to "life" the need for getting treasures home showed it's ugly little head!
"Trying to make my edsel as reliable with FE. Wish me luck!".........lol, I think you may have a few family members that just might be able to help with the FE should you need it.
It has been a bit since I last updated. I made significant progress on the modern teletouch shifter I have been working on.
The unit fits under the front seat and resembles an amplifier. A cable then goes through drive tunnel and attaches to shift the transmission.
The original teletouch harness is unmodified. The unit uses the appropriate molded connectors to plug right in where the original set of wires was unplugged.
The unit accepts VSS and brake switch inputs to prevent accidental shifts while moving. The original used a pressure switch to prevent accidental shifts.
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The pressure switch was a notorious leaker and was by-passed on many a car. When it went out it would dump tons of tranny fluid all over the place! Most of the "Tele-touch" problems were from total lack of support (thank you McNamara) in the Ford system. It is bypassed on my Edsel, heat shields are all in place.
After spending considerable time studying the linkage on the transmission I believe one of the problems was the geometry of the motor and shift lever. A simple slight raise in the motor mounting point made all the difference in the world. Going into park was always easy, coming out was the big issue. It has lasted three years now......may have "fixed" it?
I was able to take her for a spin. Of course, I screwed up putting on intake and it leaks out of the rear! Those cast iron intakes are a real chore. I was just so dead set on keeping the original breather and not drilling holes into these E-400 valve covers.
I use a cherry picker to put those bad boys on! My days of benching 300 multiple times are long gone!
Yup, need to keep the covers cherry, my Pacer is a first day car, has only one cover with the "E400" on it. Not sure what happened but I am 100% sure it is as it came out of the factory.
Bill.......there's a guy on the Hamb from Birmingham with a tannish Edsel. His tag is Bedwards.
I have talked to him via this machine, don't think he is interested in hooking up.
Finally got exhaust on her and she is street legal. My redone teletouch is working as well as I hoped. I even tested putting it in and getting it out if park on a steep grade. I went ahead and integrated the nuetral safety and backup lights internally so it is a one stop shop for shifting.
I also installed vintage air and carpet. I still need to pull out the dash to put the AC registers directly in the dash and get it repainted. I temporarily put the controls and louvers under dash to enjoy some cold air.
Next up is applying the new woodgrain to make it look the part of a Bermuda.
Shifter in action (click to see video):
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Engine:
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Body:
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That teletouch is so coooool ! and it's a real sweet wagon ! :004:
That is really cool!
Very nice. Beautiful workmanship too. :003:
Gorgeous James.
Great work, James. Thanks for sharing it with us.
PS.a few months back I posted a pic I took at an intersection in Amarillo. Across from me was your old black Ranchwagon turning onto the street your dad lives off of.
I like the sunset coral. It would be a nice family cruiser. It looks like your dash pad is low on air.
James where did you get your carpet from? Mine is identical, it was in the car when I rescued it.
It is Sunset Glow from ACC.
It honestly was too short for my wagon and left a gap when you open rear doors. I reported to ACC and they sent me a 4 inch finished strip of carpet to splice in.
I had my brother check his ranch wagon and it has the same issue but is not noticeable in a 2 door wagon.
After some vapor locking issues and crap in the tank, I decided rather than just fix that, go extreme and try out Holley Sniper EFI. The first step was to upgrade my fuel tank and with the help of my neighbor, modified the gas tank to accept the tanks inc EFI pump.
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Nicely done. Did you add a slosh baffle also?
Yes, I used the tanks inc pump with attached baffle. Pretty neat design.
https://www.tanksinc.com/index.cfm/page/ptype=product/product_id=84/category_id=61/mode=prod/prd84.htm (https://www.tanksinc.com/index.cfm/page/ptype=product/product_id=84/category_id=61/mode=prod/prd84.htm)
James, I sent you a P.M.
Still working on Sniper install. Waiting on parts to arrive so that I can complete installation. All of the wiring and engine bay install completed. Just waiting on some fittings to finish fuel tank.
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Great thinking on installing the Tanks Inc "recessed" box upside down!! I used the same box, but in normal recessed position on my sedan tank, and used tank inc's pump as well......38k miles no issues. They make their stuff well. I also used their sending unit, but had to the adapt oem sending unit flange with the twist lock to replace the T Inc's.
Rich - that box was actually made by my buddy next door. It is a little deeper than the recessed tanks inc box but close to same design.
I finished sniper install today and will say first impression is big improvement. Throttle response is crisp and the biggest change is now I can not "feel" the linkage. The throttle is just smooth overall.
The only complaint I have so far is probably not the sniper's fault. There is noticeable idle surge as it hunts for a tune to idle. This is more than likely due to the cam I have installed. It is a little bit hot. I had to set idle to 800 RPM to get a good consistent idle.
I think I am declaring this machine driveable at this point!
It turns out, the idle issue is solveable. The problem is that when you are attempting to set the idle, the sniper is fighting you the whole time by compensating with the IAC. This makes it very difficult to get the idle to run just on the throttle blades.
The simple trick to fix the idle is to:
1. Let engine warm up to 160
2. Hold your thumb over the IAC hole
3. Set the idle using the idle screw to what you setup in the wizard. Better to error a bit low than high.
4. Turn the car off and on again
After figuring that out, I can say this is a pretty nice setup.
I went back and looked at this thread and I saw your comment about your cast iron manifold. Blue Thunder make a single 4 BBL aluminum manifold that uses a breather tube in the original location. It is a high rise dual plane design if painted I doubt few would notice it wasn't stock....
I am looking and so far only see a single 4 for a dominator carb. Any chance you can tell me where I can find one. I would love to have an aluminum intake with breather tube in it. That would shave off like 60lbs and not break my back when pulling intake.
Maybe I found one:
http://www.holmanmoody.com/Intakes1.html (http://www.holmanmoody.com/Intakes1.html)
That is what I have. H&M wants a bunch of money, try Survival Motor Sports, Carl's Ford Parts, I have seen one on eBay as well.
https://www.ebay.com/str/classicblueperformance
I like the way you did your tank . I have a question did you have any interference with the floor? I went down with my redo on my tank for clearance.
Thanks
Quote from: dgasman on 2020-07-01 14:47
I like the way you did your tank . I have a question did you have any interference with the floor? I went down with my redo on my tank for clearance.
Thanks
Did mine the same way.
There is a lot of room. I did opt to make a larger hole and cover to allow fuel pump maintenance without dropping tank. They always fail on full tank it seems.
More progress. I am putting some miles on the beast now. My older brother made a video on the bermuda.
https://youtu.be/2KYGoLSDORQ (https://youtu.be/2KYGoLSDORQ)
haha.....you guys rock ! :003: :004:
Very COOL video! Beautiful car included! Thanks.
Great video, thanks.
Yesterday was the birthday of the Edsel introduction. (and the build date for my 57.)
Terry
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The Brothers strike again!... wonderful work... you guys never cease to amaze me.
Love the History of the Edsel too!
Great video, and a very cool car!
Cool video, thanks for taking the time to put it together and share it with us!
Wonder if anyone is repoping Edsel wgn taillight lens'?
Ron.
Unfortunately no. Really nothing that is uniquely Edsel is re-popped. Nice part is all the drive train, glass and soft goods are Ford or Mercury. Also weird is the wheels are 5 X 5 on all the models. Mine is a 47K miles first day of production at the Louisville plant. And yes, the paint is the stock colors. According to the guys on the Edsel site it is one of three, color combination was dropped a few days after production started. It is known as the "QER" Edsel.
Bill, didnt you put your beauty for sale some time ago ? Still got it ? Not in the market, but it sure is a very nice ride !
It is, need to thin the herd. Not aggressively pushing it. Would like to get down to just two, the 36 and the Ranchero. A couple of folks interested but transportation is an issue for two of them.
Beautiful car! Another I would spend money to get my name on...but there is this house remodel...LOL! I spend money on a car...wife will have me sleeping in it! :102: