Looking to see if anyone has a pair of rear brake drums for a 58 Ford custom. I'm unable to find a set For a reasonable price and one of mine has a piece broken off the edge (might be the cause of my slight highway vibration). Anyone out there switch to rear discs and willing to sell their drums?
Thanks,
Ryan
Location?
Minnesota, near Minneapolis.
Still looking if anyone has a pair they keep tripping over in the garage 😁
French Lake or Windy Hill. When I lived around there either one of those yards had over 100 57's and 58's
Check Hollander, a lot of years interchange with 57 rears drums.
I am still on the lookout for a pair of rear brake drums for a 57-58 Ford Custom. Junkyards are coming up empty and only found one place that has new but at the price they are asking it would almost be worth just getting rear discs. Hoping someone else went to discs and has useable rear drums they are willing to part with.
Let me check tomorrow, I may have a set.
Try Steve Pierce (310) 631-0053
A few years ago when building my son's '57, we needed a rear brake drum. The local junk yard had no '57s, and I found a drum from an early to mid seventies Chev the right diameter, offset, and center hole diameter. It was a simple job to locate and drill the five lug stud holes between the gm holes. Worked perfectly. Downside now is that few yards have any '70s cars either. John
Still looking, I might have some
Yes I?m still looking. I sent a PM as well. Thanks!
I tried to email but it failed to go through, I found a pair but they are also chipped on the inside edge. I wouldn't be afraid to trim that on a lathe, just don't remove to much material. Ill dig around for more
I wouldn't be afraid of using a brake drum that's chipped on the inside edge. Considering it's distance from the center of rotation there would have to be an awful big chunk broken out of the edge of the drum in order to overcome the much stronger forces generated farther from the center of rotation by wheel & tire.
Of course I don't know how big the 'chip' is or how much Ryan has done to isolate the vibration so I may be completely out of line with all of this.
I'm sure he knows that a 'slight highway vibration' could be caused by something else such as driveshaft u-joints, out of balance driveshaft or even a worn trans extension housing bushing.
https://www.freeasestudyguides.com/automatic-transmission-extension-housing-bushing.html
Brake drums do come with their own balancing weights spot welded to them. Had one pop off of a brand new (not a '57) drum a while back. Must have bumped it with the wheel as I put it back on. A poor weld too.
Might be interesting to find out how much out of balance his chipped drum is if he could find a machine shop to check it.
I have had a slight vibration since day one when I got the car. Since then I have run two different engines, two trans and changed the output shaft bushing, two different drive shafts checked by two different balance shops, two different third members, different rims/tires and it's still there. Can't feel it in the shifter or the steering wheel and can only see it in the rear view mirror and it drives me crazy :005: My next thought is a rear brake drum or slightly bent axle.
axle bearings??
Quote from: gasman826 on 2019-04-18 11:35
axle bearings??
Mine are new, did that when I did the rear end. Vibration was before this and nothing changed. I haven't been able to find anyone locally that balances brake drums but I have a friend who might have an extra laying in his pile and I'm going to try that first.. I'll put a dial indicator on the axle flange face when that time comes..
I doubt these are original drums and if some previous owner changed them to aftermarket replacements there was a period of time when it was a known issue, not just Fords.
Have you jacked up one rear wheel (no limited slip or locker)? At idle, check for run-out. Run it up to speed and check for vibration. Jack up the other wheel and check for the same.
Quote from: gasman826 on 2019-04-18 16:05
Have you jacked up one rear wheel (no limited slip or locker)? At idle, check for run-out. Run it up to speed and check for vibration. Jack up the other wheel and check for the same.
Good idea, I'll try that. The last time I took a quick look I had both wheels off the ground with rear axle on jack stands.. I hope I can get it sorted, I have a 400 mile trip coming up soon..
At least this will confirm which end of the car or even which corner is the vibration source. A piece of crayon or chalk against the side or the tire will help show run-out in the tire or bent rim. The same on the tread of the tire for an out-of-round tire. If no wobble and vibration at speed means a balance issue. I hope one of these ideas helps.
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2019-04-18 08:31
.... two different engines, two trans, two different drive shafts, two different third members, different rims/tires ...
Can't feel it in the shifter or the steering wheel and can only see it in the rear view mirror...
Hmm. Jim, I think I've found the cause of your long term vibration problem. :002:
Quote from: Tom S on 2019-04-18 22:14
Hmm. Jim, I think I've found the cause of your long term vibration problem. :002:
Well that may be the problem I start drinking at 4am and don't stop until the pot is empty :003:.
I apologize to rar1947 for letting his post get off track.
Quote from: gasman826 on 2019-04-18 19:34
At least this will confirm which end of the car or even which corner is the vibration source. A piece of crayon or chalk against the side or the tire will help show run-out in the tire or bent rim. The same on the tread of the tire for an out-of-round tire. If no wobble and vibration at speed means a balance issue. I hope one of these ideas helps.
I've had the balance checked, rotated from from to rear ect.. never a change. Hopefully today I'll have time to check it with only one wheel off the ground at a time. If I don't find anything I wonder if it could be a front rotor? The vibration is so minor I might just be driving my self crazy.
I posted this awhile back on a vibration thread, someone who owned my 58 burned up an axle bearing, so they swapped out the entire axle with a longer one. It butted up to the one on the other side, and vibrated at 55-65. We cut off a half inch or so, problem went away :003:
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2019-04-19 07:28
Well that may be the problem I start drinking at 4am and don't stop until the pot is empty :003:.
I apologize to rar1947 for letting his post get off track.
No apologies needed, this is good info. Plus it keeps my wanted ad near the top😁
Im out of town this weekend but I?ll try and get a picture of my chipped drum and see what you guys think.
Here is the update: I solved 90% of the problem. After taking Gary's recommendation of just jacking up one side I isolated it to the passenger side wheel I could see wobbling and bouncing around. Since I had the wheels balanced recently I was fearing the worst and started by pulling the axle and taking it to a friends house to put in his lathe to check for runout, it was fine, then added the brake drum, the inside of the drum shoe surface checked out fine but the outside casting runs out about a 1/16 and I'm not sure how much that effects anything. When I had the wheels checked for balance it was at a tire shop that wouldn't allow you inside to watch so this time I took the wheel to another tire shop that let me in to watch and low and behold the balance wasn't even close, WTF? and the rim is slightly bent with about a 1/16 runout which the other shop didn't even mention to me. Now with the new balance the minor vibration I seen before in the mirror is almost totally gone.
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2019-04-21 09:10... When I had the wheels checked for balance it was at a tire shop that wouldn't allow you inside to watch ...
Glad you found the problem after all this time.(http://57fordsforever.com/smf/Smileys/default/thumbsup.gif)
I really hate the policy that some businesses have of not letting you in their work shops. You might never know if the work is being done by some young guy, or even an older guy, that doesn't have half of the experience or mechanical ability that you have or someone that's obviously poor at his job.
We know these businesses have these policies for fear of being sued if you should
somehow get hurt but it would sure help if the owners used some common sense sometimes like many small independent shops do.
:deadhorse:
Yes thats the problem and I understand it, one small accident and a guy could lose his business after the lawyers get done with it. We had a small local alignment shop here years ago owned by two brothers, one day one of them was changing a truck tire on a split rim and it exploded and took off his head. Image what would have happened if it was a customer.
Jim, I agree that there are some places of work that many of us shouldn't be, especially if we are not all that knowledgeable about what goes on there or what the possible dangers may be. Personally, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near where those split rim truck tires are being installed since I know what can happen & have no experience with them.
My gripe is with the places where I'm sure either one of us would feel right at home but not allowed to enter. Places where we would be quite aware of any possible danger & know how to avoid it.
After finding the one tire out of balance I returned to the friendly shop yesterday to have the other three checked and two were quite a bit off :005:. I didn't have enough time left to get it on the freeway so that will happen later this morning :burnout: As bad as most of our freeways are sometimes it's hard to tell if it's a road or a car problem..
So here is the chipped drum and the reason I?ve been looking for a new one. What do you guys think, is this big enough to cause a potential vibration? I know it may be hard to see but it?s up on blocks right now for some additional work. I?ve researched a lot on vibration and wanted to eliminate the easy stuff first but finding a replacement has proven difficult.
One more picture
Quote from: rar1947 on 2019-04-23 21:21So here is the chipped drum and the reason I?ve been looking for a new one. What do you guys think, is this big enough to cause a potential vibration? I know it may be hard to see but it?s up on blocks right now for some additional work. I?ve researched a lot on vibration and wanted to eliminate the easy stuff first but finding a replacement has proven difficult.
With that close up pic & at that angle it's kinda hard to tell how big the chunk is that's missing. Since it's already up on blocks could you pull the drum for some more pix?
Find a machine shop to check & balance it?
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Quote from: hiball3985 on 2019-04-23 08:16After finding the one tire out of balance I returned to the friendly shop yesterday to have the other three checked and two were quite a bit off :005:. I didn't have enough time left to get it on the freeway so that will happen later this morning :burnout: As bad as most of our freeways are sometimes it's hard to tell if it's a road or a car problem..
Good grief! I'm guessing that you won't be going back to the shop that balanced them in the first place.
I haven't been in Calif. for decades but the roads were real good then. They still have to be much, much better than ours. Weather & studded tire use in the winter cause lots of problems with the asphalt.
I'm not sure that the chunk missing would cause much vibration being that close to center, myself I would change it just for general principle. Hopefully some will have one somewhere.
looks like another crack on the picture