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Guys, DO NOT USE ANY of the advertised brake shoes, currently on the market, Only use riveted NOS linings or your trusty shop in town.
Luckily this happened at city speeds, and nobody got hurt and nothing damaged. Imagine this happening at highway speeds or down a steep hill. The aftermarket industry is killing us !
I am sorry for these terribly frank words, but as you can see, only 10-20% of the linings have actual bonding. I am out of my mind !!!!
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these reproduction /religned shoes have but 4 yrs and 2000 miles on them. car always parked sheltered.
My father, who passed away a few years back well in his 80's told me 30-40 years ago to never buy bonded brake linings for that reason. We have an old school hole in the wall shop in town that will rebuild your brake shoes with rivets. They also do clutches.
Good to know there was no accident.
You were lucky. Also, a good reason to change to discs.
OH! You wanted the Premium shoes with the rivets. Premium grade shoes are riveted and standard grade...well aren't. The same with disc brake pads. Bonded should never be used on seasonal vehicles which are out of service for awhile. Moisture can feed rust between the steel shoe and bonded lining. Rust expands to pop the linings loose.
I would just get new linings re-riveted of coarse and see if the shop can arc your new linings to your old drums. I find the old drum setup works pretty good if there adjusted once in awhile.
I have been spending time lately rebuilding a early Bronco for my wife.
In checking out the major early Bronco parts vendors I have noticed several specifically make note in their catalogs that their drum brake shoes are no longer bonded, and they now only sell the "original style" riveted shoes.
I guess we now know why they might have dropped the bonded style.
Guenter, good that you caught it. Check out your early VW's because the early VW parts vendors here (USA) sell the bonded shoes, or at least they did.
John
John, all my VWs have riveted linings. I usully do the riveting job myself using NOS linings. I also bought refurbished riveted shoes for the posi 8.8 in my 34 Ford. Somehow I slipped over the wagon brakes, because the PO had replaced the shoes in 2016 and I thought. well, all the others are using this stuff and maybe I am just too oldschool thinking. well now I know I am not and I see that you guys also have the same opinion on that topic! Better be safe than sorry!!!
Yes Gary, your scenario absolutely fits the picture. as you can see in my pics, rust crept under the linings to the point where maybe only 10% of the original bonding area was intact. I then took a chisel to the other pair of shoes and as you can see, even though it wasn't rusted, the lining also came off easily in big chunks, reveiling only a maybe 40% intact bonding area. They were obviously also poorly done.
John & Guenther, I had the same problem with my 9" in my '96 Bronco; the linings came of three out of the 4 shoes after two years of very little usage (less than 2000 miles).
That's some scary s#!+. Thanks for sharing!
That is seriously messed up. Mind if I use this post on another forum that I am on? I have not heard of anything like this happening in the Model A world but that does not mean it hasn't.
Mike
please post this on other forums as well, as it may save people from injury and cars/stuff getting damaged.
I believe this was a set of the typically cheap stuff advertised on e-gay or sold via Ro**auto or so. sorry for using these names, don't want to blame anybody, just a personal observation.
these are the rear brakes on my 57 9" rearend ( 1957 Country Sedan wagon).
This is how I rebuilt the ca 1975 8.8 posi in my 34 sdn. for me the only way to go now.
I had to do some digging, but I found a picture of when I pulled my 9" apart, you can see where the pads delaminated from the shoes:
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Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2020-08-18 13:15
these are the rear brakes on my 57 9" rearend ( 1957 Country Sedan wagon).
Günter
How did you get the wagon home? Did you have it towed? That's real scary.
Jay
thx for your concerns, Jay. I was less than 1/2 a mile from home so I managed to drive it back under its own power, dragging the brakes.
shoes and wheel brake cylinders have since been replaced and waiting to go on a test drive soon. I want to have the 57CS inspected next week so I can drive it on regular plates until snow comes in.
From now on I will only buy riveted shoes or drill/countersink/rivet bonded aftermarket linings, if nothing else is available.
What type of rivets do you use Guenther? Would a 3/16" standard pop rivet work? Obviously properly drilled and countersunk.
Not Guenther. Absolutely not. Brake shoe rivets are dedicated for that purpose, most are brass and come in different sizes and lengths. A proper rivet setting tool is a must.
Quote from: thomasso on 2020-08-21 14:50
Not Guenther. Absolutely not. Brake shoe rivets are dedicated for that purpose, most are brass and come in different sizes and lengths. A proper rivet setting tool is a must.
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I am using (hollow) brass or copper rivets and a proper rivet setting tool that can be bought at many antique car stores like Ecklers. it comes with several different dies according to each rivet size.
Back in my own VW days, I recall all of my (rear) shoes being riveted. As well as the front pads. Got them aftermarket, maybe Raybestos. That was in the late 90s. I've had excellent luck with my local parts stores. But it seems the race to the bottom is with the chain stores with "the lowest price around". Pretty much all parts coming out of China.
Glad you made it home safely G. Luckily there was no damage to the drums, no one that I know of makes wagon/ranchero replacement drums, that scares me just thinking about it..