I'm new to the group! I'm glad I found you, this has already been wealth of information every minute I've spent reading after a lot of great guys experience, what to do and not to do.....
I have a question I have a 57 Ford Fairlane 500 Victoria, 2Dr HT, 312cid, And it seems by the code I have a Cruse-O-Matic, Whats the different between a Ford-O-Matic and Cruse-O-Matic ?
Is one more desirable than the other one, and why? I'm just starting my rebuild, with the 57Fordsforever.com
I feel more comfortable and confident, knowing there's support like you Guy's.
I did a quick search online. There was only the Ford-O-Matic available in 1957. On the VIN Tag it would show a "3" for transmission type. The Ford-O-Matic evolved into the Cruise-O-Matic in 1958. It came as an MX (larger) or FX (smaller). I don't know if this info is 100% correct...you know how the internet is. I am a manual tranny guy myself. Welcome to the forum!
FordoMatic is a 3 speed that starts in second gear (D) and shifts once into third gear automatically. First gear is used manually by shifting selector into low (L). In drive (D), a properly adjusted FordOMatic may shift to low under WOT. FordOMatic has a rear pump and can be push started...should not be towed at speed without disconnecting the driveshaft.
CruisOMatic was introduced behind the FEs in '58. CruisOMatic has three selections...gears 123, 2-3, and 1. No rear pump. Will not push start. Will interchange with a FordOMatic if Y-block bell, converter, and flex plate are used. Will require shift selector modifications.
Sorry for the delay in getting back, thanks for the info. I think I might have a Cruise-O-Matic, It looks like this 57 might of came off the assembly line, about the time the 58 were starting up. (This is just my thinking). because here is the body plate information:
*D7DV140555*.
Body: 63A. Color: YE2. Trim: AT. Production code : 19M 2096D
D - 8Cyl. 312 C. I. D. OHV - 4V Carb-Auto 245 HP.
7 - year 1957
D - Dallas. Assembly Plant.
V - Body Style Victoria - Fairlane "500"
D - rear axle 3.89 to 1 locking
6 - Cruise-O-Matic ( 3 spd. dual range)
63A - Fairlane "500" Club Victoria
AT - Black Vinyl & Gold Ripple-Wave Fabric.
There are problems with your data plate.
"D" code axle is 1959 not earlier. No Equa-Loks made before 59.
"6" code is 1958 up only (actually C-O-M's were in short
supply and some 58's got the 57 3sp Fordo).
The 57 steering column doesn't work with cruiso.
140xxx seems like a low number for an end of the year car even
from Dallas.
Is your car Inca Gold w/a White top?
Ron.
Ron, right now the color is the Dresden blue, colonial white, blue top. Someone repainted along the way. I don't really like the gold/white combo, but I'll put it back that way.
I don't know about the data plate, that's what it says on the plate, here's a picture. I must have a prototype of something that was coming!
Acrylic man, that looks like it could be an aftermarket VIN plate to me.... here is a picture of mine. The Ford logos are slightly different to boot.
Wow, I've not seen that. Do you think the different plants had different plates, or were they all standard plant wide?
The patent numbers are the same on both plates.
I've seen the stars* before on other plates, if I remember correctly.
Acrylic Man, I have a 70A, also built at Dallas. My patent plate format is identical to yours. Is it possible that various plants had different formats?
I really don't know. The rivets are right but the format on the build is confusing and then there's the logo thing. Who knows what Ford did or does....
At 57Ford.com they show both styles of plates. Acrylic mans is the early style. Maybe they were made from what was left over from 56?
Thanks for all the imput, I can't figure out all the later feature, like the C-O-M. & rear end, I wonder what the 58 fords data plates looks like? If the end of 56 plates were used, then all the upgrades I can't put it together.
Hiball, I saw the 56's they do look like my 57, the 58's I didn't see anything their.
That is an early 57 data plate. Mid 57 up are all the same, plant doesn't matter.
Looks like car was built on Dec 19, 1956
I don't have the info handy to decode the trans and
axle codes on the early tags.
Best guess 3sp Fordo & 3.10 axle.
Ron.
Ron, The puzzling thing that jumps out to everybody, is the Transmission, and rear end. Because the consistences is that Ford didn't put Cruise-O-Matic in till 58, and didn't put the rear axle 3.89 to 1 locking, till 59. but on my data plate it shows that's what it has..... I've got my spy glass out, still looking, Larry
Your plate does not have a trans and axle code, that number is a district/dealer number there were 3 different styles of data plate used in 57 , early, no trans or axle code, starting about April 1, 1957 simular plate but place for axle and trans code., then at some plants the style that lalessi1 shows, which is simular to the 58/59 data plate.
My San Diego built Ranchwagon had no trans or axle code.....
Yep, your right about the Production Code doesn't have the trans, and rear end. What I did was thought that the last "6" was trans. and the "D" rear end. because the example plate I saw had 2letters and 3 numbers, mine had 4 numbers and 1letter. that through me off. That's clear now thanks for clearing it up.
FYI ...The "D" at the end of the production number meant it was the 4 th car in the order for that dealer, dealers got a shipping discount if the ordered cars by the truck load, 4 cars being a truck load at the time.
Before someone asks, if you have a "P" at the end it meant that the car was shipped out of that assembly plants sales district, case in point most T-Birds had a "P" on there data plate as all T-Birds were built at Dearborn.
Lou, thanks for that, I know the date looks like Dec. 19th. 19M What does the ( 2096 ) then the D you said (4th car.). Larry
The 20 would be part if the dealer code, the dealer code would be 4 numbers the first 2 being the district code then in your case 20, then the number of cars shipped to that district so far that month 96.
That's good to know, thanks for the research. I would guess 96 cars a month is a big dealership. I do have the dealer metal that was installed on the trunk lid. It was Ed Maher, in Dallas, Texas. Here is a shot of JFK, riding buy Ed Maher Ford, in Nov 1963, before the assassination.