Just as the title says I'm converting to linkage and getting rid of the cables. What I have is 1958 Edsel wagon linkage that I have bolted in place but there seems to be something missing. There is about 4-5 inches between the rod ends. So is there another connecting bar that goes on the wiper motor to take up the gap between the linkage? Forgot to mention this for electric wipers to.
Iv'e searched for 58-59-60 Ford electric wiper motor assembly diagrams and cant find anything.
Seems like I read somewhere that the 58 wiper assembly will fit, but you have to cut out the sheet metal from the 58 and weld it into the 57.
Someone who knows for sure will chime in . Sounds like an interesting project.
I converted mine to hard linkage, But all custom made from scratch and/or adapting late model stuff. I never looked into adapting linkage from similar models. Your main consideration here if your using the vintage adapted linkage you referred to is what motor you're going to use/be able to find. I'm guessing that vintage linkage will require a motor with a back and forth motion rather than the 360*/roundy-round motors used in later years (what I used). Lengthening the rods wouldn't be a major issue, but there's probably more going on than apparent.
Are you using the stock firewall location for the motor. Considering your approach, my guess is your going to use an aftermarket motor like Newport.??
I believe Jay is correct in that the '58 stuff can be made to fit, but it's only a project for a car in disassembled build stage. Lots of welding on the inside cowl area. On top of that you have to find a '58 donor car with the components, and then probably the hardest part, getting a '58 motor to a useable/reliable state.
The motor part is already figured out. It's a typical marine application which don't have the 360 degree rotation but have 2 speeds , auto parking and adjustable sweep.
The 57 and 58 Fords/ Edsels have the same cowl and I would guess the same center to center distance between the two splined posts for your wiper arms. I removed the cowl and bolted on the linkage arms, which fit fine. The problem I'm having is the 4 inch or so gap between the ends of the arms. I'm wondering if the electric or vacuum unit had a different type of attachment to hook up the ends of the linkage arms.
The parts I have are oem 58 Edsel, so there should be a way to mount this in factory or close to a factory way.
Yes, I'm using the stock location for the wiper motor. I don't want to start major surgery to mount under the dash.
I think this the piece that I need to join the linkage together. Shouldn't be to hard to fabricate something like this. Got myself a project for the weekend.
Randy, you are aware that unlike a 57 Ford, the 58s had the wiper motor mounted under the dash, rather than mounted under the hood. 59s have the wiper motor mounted to the firewall, under the hood, and with linkage, not sure if the wiper pivot spacing is the same as a 57, or if the motor is located in the same position, but if interested, I can take some measurements from my 59 if you want. Unlike the 57 & 58s, 59s do not have the removable screened cowl panel between the hood and windshield, it is solid and welded, as 59s get the interior air via ducting behind the grill, running over the front tires, and into the firewall. I believe that 1959 was the first year that Ford offered factory electric wipers .
Randy, could you post up photos of your project? This is an approach I haven't heard about before. Sounds like a new(old) way to configure the wiper assembly.
My 58 Edsel Pacer (first day of production) has the exact same wiper system as the 57 Fords. Not sure when Edsel (small series) switch over to under the dash wiper motor if they did at all. The large series may have had the wiper under the dash, don't know for sure as they were based on the Mercury platform.
Yes Rory I'm aware the linkage and motor are mounted under the dash in 58's, but I'm pretty sure the mounting pad on the firewall or under the dash are the same for 1957. The only reason I can't see it working would be not enough room under the 57 cowl for the pivot bar to swing around in .
I'm going to take some pictures of everything I have and maybe somebody will recognize the pieces I have. All the parts that I have came with a 58 Edsel Villager wagon. The wagon I used to have had the wiper motor mounted under the dash, but I don't recall if it it was cables or linkage.
The wiper motor itself was quite a bit bigger than the 57 unit also.
Having looked a little closer it isn't going to work without some major fab work to my cowl area or totally rework the linkage arms..............
I'm not trying to be smart or anything, but why swap the cable system for linkage. My original cable system works fine so I'm not sure why the need to change.
The old cable system is very reliable, Steve, but to answer your question, in my case, (don't know why RMK is wanting to change)... I wanted to clean off my firewall, and make my late model steering column fully functional to help clean up the dash area. That required using a wiper motor and control module that electronically matched the wiper/multifunction switch on the steering column. Since the new motor was a 360* motor, I had to devise a hard arm system that would work with it, as well as change the direction of the right arm so it was an opposite direction from the left (as original)....the domino effect, lol. It was a challenge, but I now have variable speed intermitent wipers!
On my '57 Ranchwagon I used '58 arms with a motor of a rear lift gate that turned 180deg. The motor was mounted under the dash. I experimented with the motor arm length until it had the right stroke. I never drove it in the rain since then si idon't know how effective it was. Recently I cut the wiper mounting area out of a '58 ford and I'm goin to convert it to a Newport electric motor or a'58 to get more speeds.
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My '57 sedan has a '57 chby electric motor that bolted right on and bolts right on. Works pretty good, even turn on with the original cable. Those 55-57 chby motors are easy to find on eBay.
Also the Newport motor for 57 Ford(or Chby) work good too. They use a new switch which comes with it.
The issue with the original cable system is never take all the bolts out of a cable system or try to remove and reinstall on an original car, as it takes some effort to get it set up and tensioned again. If you never mess it up it works very well.
Keep the cables and install a 57 Chevy motor. Its only a 2 speed with no intermitant operation BUT who drives in the rain anyways!
Oldmics
Quote from: Oldmics on 2017-05-19 19:55
Keep the cables and install a 57 Chevy motor. Its only a 2 speed with no intermitant operation BUT who drives in the rain anyways!
Oldmics
I agree, provided the cable system is still complete and functional, the electric Chevy wiper motor works great, is a direct bolt on, and in my opinion, looks better and more "period correct", than the Newport motor, which is mounted vertically, and may cause fitment issues with bigger engine swaps.
I've decided to keep the cables, way to big of a job converting to linkage, at least for now.
The vacuum unit never did work properly even with the original 272 and it sure isnt going to work with the 460. I already have a Ongaro wiper motor, which is what Newport uses so I'm probably going to go with it. I had it mounted temparily in place and there's plenty of room to remove the rocker cover, even with the spacers I have on mine.
Funny you should mention about driving in the rain. I've owned the car for about 10 years and it's never been driven in the rain, and I live in the northwest!
My cable system works fine, I converted to 2 speed electric with a Newport system, works great but the only regret is that I didn't go with the intermittent option at the time. I drive my car rain, snow or shine (we don't salt roads over here so winter driving is not a problem).
I did the 58 Ford cowl integration surgery on my 57. It is a lot of work but worth it. You will find that the 58 has the wiper motor almost dead center underneath the dash, where the 57 is offset to the driver side a good bit. Good luck making the motor work with those arms without a lot of re-engineering the rod length. I didnt use the entire cowl tank only the indented portion where the motor bolts. I measured carefully to get the correct position, then cut out and fitted the 58 piece in. Once done, it clears the firewall of the bg motor, which was definitely in the way of my pentroof 427 valve covers. I finished mine up with a Newport 58 wiper motor. I did my swap to get rid of teh troublesome cables, only the ones on the passenger side were free and worked properly..the driver side was frozen and would only wipe about 3 or 4 inches of the bottom of the window. My last 57 was the exact same way so I cut all that poorly designed crap out and threw it into the trash can.
James
If you took pictures of that operation, it would be nice to see them. Sounds like something interesting.
Thanks Jay
i bought a newport wiper motor, came with a mickey mouse switch. i wanted intermittant wipers, so used intermittent switch and box off of mid seventies ford pickup. put stock 57 knob on stem after trimming stem. now have 2 speed wipers, intermittent, and electric washers.
Quote from: pepfalcon on 2017-05-28 14:26
i bought a newport wiper motor, came with a mickey mouse switch. i wanted intermittant wipers, so used intermittent switch and box off of mid seventies ford pickup. put stock 57 knob on stem after trimming stem. now have 2 speed wipers, intermittent, and electric washers.
Pepfalcon........can you please expand on ......."used intermittent switch and BOX off of a mid seventies Ford pickup". I understand the switch and I'll guess that the BOX is the intermittent controller. Is that correct?
Thanks
John