what motor mounts from a 429-460 fit a 57 Ford? I have a set from a 73 Lincoln and there sure not going work. I didn't want to wait 8-weeks for the Crites mounts.
Is something you have to fabricate?
Try 70 Mercury? Have that in my notes, not sure where it came from.
1970 Mercury must use a stud type mount like original y-block. I'll look into it.
I'll tell you what my son and I are going to try. I'm in NY and my son is near Daytona Beach. I sent him a 69 Merc 429, C-6, Disc brakes that he's going to put in his 59 Edsel wagon. I got him 88 F250 460 mounts. They have a adapter plate that bolts to the 429/ 460 block and mounts that bolt to the adapter plate. The mounts have 2 studs like the single stud on the 57 mount. The frame mounts are long enough to drill for the extra stud. My son has the front end off both cars and the engine/ trans out of the Edsel. He's in the process of cleaning the frame and firewall on the Edsel before fitting the 429. On paper it looks like it will work but he's not quite there yet. Also to be looked at is the ribbed C-6 case to trans tunnel clearance. Parts of the Edsel floor need to be replaced due to rust and the 69 floors look solid so we're looking into cutting the floor and tunnel out of 69 and welding them into the 59 to address the tunnel problem, if it exsists. I asked him to document the whole job with pictures.
The stock 57 motor mount has 2 studs. I may end up making some hybrid so I can use the original mounting pads on the frame. I would think thats what Crites must have done.
Iv'e heard the C-6 fits without any massaging in the trans tunnel area unless you use a trans shield.
OK I'm at work now. The mounts fit 88 to 96 F series with 460. The 2 stud mounts are F7TZ 6038 AA and retail for 54.11 ea. The adapter plates to bolt them to the block are OBSOLETE (junk yard) and were E8TZ 6046 A They were 15.85 ea when they were discontinued. I bought one from Green Sales and one from the junkyard with the mount for 20.00
I may end up ordering a set from Crites. At $54.00 each plus $20.00 for the adapter plates I can order a set from Crites for $45.00 set.
A bit of a wait but guaranteed to fit.
I used the Crites mounts for engine, trans, and crossmember. Also got headers from them. I modified the X-member to get more clearance for exhaust, but other than that everything fit pretty well. It gets the engine down low and as far back as it can go, even using the tall Ford Racing valve covers. 480 cu.in. C-6 in 57 /500 2 door hardtop.
It's what I call a "RAT KILLER"
John G.
Does the C-6 fit without "massaging" the trans tunnel? Also Iv'e heard that the fan gets awfully close to the rad to,like about 1/2" and thats without
a fan spacer. If possible I didn't want hack away my rad support. I'm going to be using valve cover spacers and the original "power by ford" covers to clear roller
rockers.
Thats very interesting John, everything I've read about Crites has been that the engine sits too high and too far forward. I used to sell the setup I'm going to try to the fellows with 351M /400 pick ups to put a 460 in them. I've also heard complaints about long wait times and poor customer service from crites. If we can't work out a trans mount between the 69 and 59 crossmembers then I'll give crites a try.
I used Crites mounts and crossmember. Engine sets low and back where
it belongs. Had to use fan spacer also.I chose the FPA shortie headers
this time around with the car being so low. It's all good :003:
My radiator is in a recored 57 in the proper position. It has a modern
type core and cools fine.
I don't think you could get the engine back any further and I am using an Edelbrock Performer intake with 3" airfilter, as far as the radiator, I had marginal cooling (don't get caught in stop and go traffic) so I got an after market aluminum radiator for a 57 ford(I can see what make if you need). I had to mount it a few inches foward in core support but did not have to hack on it, just made brackets to mount it on front side of core support, was very easy. The headers are like the 1970s 429 Hooker Super Comp, the front 2 tubes on each side go under the lower a-arm, the shorty headers might be worth looking at, I did this swap years ago and don't remember them being available. Man, my car was put on back burner for a few years as I built a house and shop, but that is about done so looking foward to next summer!
John G.
You can buy a custom aluminum radiator from Griffin that fixes the radiator clearance problem. The radiator is reversed and fits inside of the stock radiator support just like a stock 1957 6 cylinder radiator. I modified my radiator support to use an off-the-shelf Summit aluminum radiator. A friend just bought the Griffin radiator and it works without cutting the support. The Summit radiator costs $180, the Griffin is over $600, but he didn't have to cut the car. Check out my project link below to see my installation. I don't have pictures of the Griffin radiator.
Take a look at the Custom 300 on e-bay. No fan at all, he must have an electric fan in front. The engine is moved up quite far forward, but it looks like
it could be moved back 1.5 to 2.0 inches if he got rid of his electric wiper motor. It also has the motor mounts which use the long bolt on each side.
Nice car,I like it.
Can you post the link Please?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1957-Ford-Custom-300-2-Door-SEDAN-/120641553156?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item1c16cc0304
I just returned to NY after spending a week in Fla helping my son with the swap. I'm wondering if the oil pan sump should stay above the lowest point of the crossmember to protect the sump or does the engine sit low enough to extend below the crossmember? My friend says the crossmember should be below the sump. The engine is sitting in the frame mounts now but is not bolted down. The rubber on the l/s mount is resting on the frame mounts but the r/s is about 3/8 above the frame mount. My son thinks he still has room to slot the r/s frame mount but I suggested a 1/4 inch spacer under each rubber mount to raise it and level it? The trans doesn't appear to be hitting the floor but the crossmember still needs to be notched for the C-6 pan. Then the crossmember can be bolted up and the trans mount sorted out.
Also the 69 Merc 429 front springs are cosiderably taller than the Edsel springs (59 ford). Any suggestions on which springs to use with the 69 Merc disc brake spindles? Thanks
Is this what your after
Yes, thank you. I forwarded the pic to my son. The trans mount looks fairly straight forward. The motor mounts on that car are different from ay I have seen. Thanks again.
This installation looks like a worst case scenario, engine to far forward and sitting up to high. I've seen other installs where the engine sits lower
and further back which is what I'm going to shoot for. If you plan on using headers your stock cross member won't work, as the collectors dump right
in front of it.
I'm with ya on that rmk57.The back sump arc to my engine oil pan is ultra close to the front of the tubed crossmember.You can see that the trans. crossmember has been cut out for the pan,as I did with the FE in the car,but is way forward of said cut.
I think we've all seen letters saying Crites kits mount the engine high and too far forward, and others that say it fits fine and couldn't go back any farther. I'm wondering if the mounts can be accidently installed backwards or on the wrong side?
That sounds like a possibility. It's been so long I don't remember
if that's possible. I know with the homemade plates I made once
the engine was too high and foward. Had to trim the fan so it
wouldn't hit top hose. I have the Crite mounts for and aft and
like the way it sits. I run the FPA headers as I said before.
Ron