Some rides didn't get the credit they deserve when new, or were once well known and have become forgotten in the interim. Like the 1979 Mustang Cobra 302. All the attention goes to the 1982 GT 5.0, but things really got started in 1979. The 1980 and 1981 replacement of the 302 with the 255 is probably why the 1979 car gets overlooked some. What other cars would you add? :004:
1979 Mustang Cobra 302 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q7kMeCvfdY)
Matador X 401 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=770062733012567&set=ms.770062069679300.770062733012567.770063219679185.770063963012444.bps.a.216735765011936&type=1&theater)
'67 Firebird 400 (http://er3.com/firebird/67firebirdT.htm)
That X is cool. Probably early production, after the oil embargo you couldn't give away a 401.
I had a 74 red, blk stripe/ blk bucket seat interior X demo when i worked for AMC.
Ever seen a "What's a Matador" bumper sticker?
Think I still have a 1974 Car ordering guide somewhere.
Ron.
Another one from AMC that seems forgotten is Gremlin X, Remember seeing one with the 401 and several other Gremlins with the 343. Was the 401 factory or one of those dealer installed deals done in those days?
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Quote from: Zapato on 2015-05-18 00:35
Another one from AMC that seems forgotten is Gremlin X, Remember seeing one with the 401 and several other Gremlins with the 360. Was the 401 factory or one of those dealer installed deals done in those days?
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Factory.
thank you Jeff wasn't sure if it wasn't factory or something like the Baldwin-Motion Camaros or some of the various Holman-Moody creations among others.
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I had a '79 Cobra with a 302 in the late 80's. I really enjoyed it. The TRX tires were near impossible to get, even then.
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fgremlinx.com%2Frandall-401-xr%2F&ei=R5laVbaHKYKHyQSco4GoAw&usg=AFQjCNGa8FZNpsPHFSUcxTYXCDcYMAh6Ng
Looks a dealership in Arizona put them together, kinda like Baldwin, Motion, Yenko.................
Around here you could buy a factory installed 401 Gremlin.The Gremlin X.
A dealer would host all the other options.I knew of 2 guys that had them.One was angle Purple and the other was a Yellow.401 came in the AMX and Javlins prior..
Apologies,I was under the impression that Gremlin X was a 401 factory option,As so I was led to believe from up here in Canada.The reason I say this is the factory was in Brampton ontario(just south of me) and they were not uncommon.
the 2 fellas I knew had a either 70 or 71 Gremmy X's.
God they were ugly, But the base 401 were quick.
The 304 was the base V8 and I thought the 343 was also an option V-8.anyhow,I wish they would have stayed with the concept cars they made,They were wicked looking,had a CHEETAH look and feel.
boy! those look great with the Javelin nose and reduced roof height. you're right they should have built those instead they built the Pacer.
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Quote from: Jeff Norwell on 2015-05-19 12:26
,I wish they would have stayed with the concept cars they made,They were wicked looking,had a CHEETAH look and feel.
Considering AMC was struggling to stay alive its actually amazing they came up with the Gremlin, Pacer, Javelin and AMX in those days. specially considering they were just a few years away from the humble but sturdy little American.
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I worked for AMC/Jeep from 71-83. Had a bunch of cool demo's over the years.
Gremlins came out mid 1970. The X package was mid year 71. The 304 V-8 option started in 1972.
Ordered a 72 GX-V8 with the first order of the year. It was red/gold stripes and red/blk interior.
Had a lot of fun suprising folks with that one!
Randall AMC in Arizona did most of the 401 conversions. The 401 was a bolt-in swap for a 304 which
Randall sold to a boat builder for inboards.
The Pacer was odd looking but, they sure drove great. Handling, ride and brakes were excellent.
Ron.
Quote from: SkylinerRon on 2015-05-24 02:33
Randall AMC in Arizona did MOST of the 401 conversions. The 401 was a bolt-in swap for a 304 which
Randall sold to a boat builder for inboards.
Ron.
Ron, took the liberty of changing the most to capitals, Now we know there were other players doing the 401. Were any factory as Jeff believed to be? Randall selling the 304s to a boat builder is an interesting piece of automotive history and excellent recycling. Thank you for sharing that.
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There was even a Hornet X, but it was nowhere near as popular, or long lived as the Gremlin X.
Funny thing about the Gremlin 401 was that Randall American just followed the factory's 304 installation. But, with the Pacer 401, AMC followed Randall's V8 installation because Pacer originally came out with 232/258 six only.
In the '70s many dealers would do one off 401 drop ins into Gremlins, but I don't think there was another "formal" operation like Randall American as such. Places like Baldwin, Yenko, Nicky had all closed by this time, sadly.
I lived and raced in Phoenix during this time. They were located in Mesa, AZ., just south of the Beeline Dragway track. Randall also ran a "very quick" bright red, two wheel drive "open" Jeep in the AHRA stock classes. The required safety equipment was just a clean STP T-Shirt! LOL
We raced the Don Sanderson Ford Falcon in Modified Production and Hot Rod classes. It was a 289 run at 9# and 10# per cubic inch.
Other car dealers in the Phoenix area were also active during this period. Brown and Hoye Chevrolet ran a record holding Corvair, and Rudolph Chevrolet ran a A/S Chevy II.
John, do you know Jeff Lee? He is from that area and has raced a 70 AMX NHRA Stocker for a couple decades.
AMC had lots of "X" Models, 72 up Hornet 2drs, Hatchbacks and wgns!
Pacer V-8's weren't an easy bolt-in like a Gremlin or Hornet. Lots of mods required.
Little known info, Pacer frt suspensions were a bolt-in like a pinto but, wider, bigger brakes, 5 lug wheels and rack&pinion.
Ron.
Had forgotten all about those Pacer front ends, now remember a magazine article where they sliced a couple inches out of the middle of the cradle, welded it back together and bolted it to an early Ford.
Also forgotten till now for me were the bolt on front spindles with disc brakes. In this area lots of guys were using them on trailers. Remember toying with the idea of milling the spindle off my 41 ford and bolting on a pair of those spindles. Am sure someone probably pulled that off.
Lots of good ideas came from many of the companies that didn't survive the 60s/70s. I was given at one point a (64?) Studebaker Cruiser had the earliest example of a cup holder I'd ever seen in a car. In the glovebox lid. Drop the lid pull up the secondary lid and push it back to keep contents in place and lift up the dual cup holder.
I should have removed that dash and steering wheel out of that car before it went away, both pristine.
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Ron, I may be wrong but don't remember Pinto front suspensions being bolt ons, seem to think guys carefully cut that whole part out of the cars then cut them to fit. Unlike the very popular and true bolt in Corvair front ends that were done almost from day one and into the late 70s.
Zap you are correct. The Pinto, like the M II was out of a unibody car. You had to cut the cross member from the car, trim to fit and weld it to the chassis. Re enforcing plates were advisable as well. My 36 Chevy (351C/FMX) has about 80K on a M II that was cut out of a donor.
Quote from: John Palmer on 2015-05-28 10:45
I lived and raced in Phoenix during this time. They were located in Mesa, AZ., just south of the Beeline Dragway track. Randall also ran a "very quick" bright red, two wheel drive "open" Jeep in the AHRA stock classes. The required safety equipment was just a clean STP T-Shirt! LOL
We raced the Don Sanderson Ford Falcon in Modified Production and Hot Rod classes. It was a 289 run at 9# and 10# per cubic inch.
Other car dealers in the Phoenix area were also active during this period. Brown and Hoye Chevrolet ran a record holding Corvair, and Rudolph Chevrolet ran a A/S Chevy II.
Many thanks for sharing this personal experience! :004: The last speed shop I heard going was Lipman AMC / Jeep in Conneticut. They did a visual and performance conversion for Pacer called "Diablo" It had the 360 motor, because I think even Police issue 401s were unavailable on a crate motor basis by this time.
The 1972-79 Ford midsizers with separate chassis were nice riding, handling cars. The 351 CJ and 460 motors were strong for the time, you could get a 4 speed thru '74, and the later 400M wasn't bad as an econo/performance compromise of the day. O0
Merc XR7 U Tube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw0Y4clUtNw)
(http://englandcars.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/ford-gran-torino-1974.jpg)
Gran Tomato (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2en-Ihaxn0)