Hey guys...I finally am posting again.....
Bought a new ride... a 57 300 out of Iowa.... Was not looking, but it was too good of a deal to pass.Work has been so so so very heavy since May..as well as family issues(elderly parents) and life in general
The new 57---
Found it online and it caught my curiosity... checked it out and spoke with the grand Master James to get his opinion.... Took a leap of faith and i was very surprised.
57 300,ain't perfect, but a very good driver....460 BB..engine is from a 69 or 70 Lincoln,C-6,The rear nine has a posi in it...i think it's a 3:55 or a 3:91.
The gentleman selling is in ill health and was unloading his stuff.The car is a driver with(had) minor mech. issues.The body is not perfect.but in general good shape(needs rockers and some patches in the lower quarter areas.)
The underside was kinda scary at first.... but when I took a closer look,someone sprayed a heavy white gravel guard which is peeling.under is fresh good old Ford factory primer.No cancer anywhere and the frame is in very good shape.What really attracted me was this is a true heater delete car... ran the codes and it's another Texas born car from the Dallas plant.Someone at one time has put hideous gauges in it and I plan to put an original gauge cluster back in.
Quite a bit of new stuff on the car,new shocks front and aft,new rad,new upper and lower ball joints,,fresh brakes,etc,etc.
The car came with a parts car(no engine or trans..... but a pretty complete rust free car.
And on top of that..more parts that I could have imagined.Glass,fenders,bumpers,etc,etc.
I still have my other 57 and will continue on it.... scored(finally) a fresh 428 ..for the Texas 57.
And APOLOGIZE for the lost leader on them door panels...as I stated,..work and family have taken a massive amount of my time.I am partners with 2 other guys in a local car show up here and it also consumes me.
I did a small amount of research on the door panel issue(Mailing and delivery to the US from Canada..... costs are enormous.... like 250-300 bucks for each large cardboard flat box).... so I am still figuring that out.It may not even be feasible.
The new 57 was really dirty....I mean REALLY dirty... I call it the Iowa Dirty Bird.
Thanks guys.
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Cleaning the Bird.........
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Yes.. them Ugly yellow wires have been removed.......
Parts.....
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Fresh 428
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Jeff:
Looks like you have scored a great project car & engine. I hope you are able to bring it up to the standards your cars always have without too much hassle. My 57 is getting close to the re-assembly stage at Santini's and I'm sure I will be spending quite a bit of my time over there during that process. I do envy the 57 enthusiasts on this site that are able to do their own work on their cars, it is a skill set that I'm woefully unskilled at.
Like you I, too have a goodly amount on my plate. Rick and I are both heavily involved with the Ford Car Club Council here in Southern California we put on the Annual Fabulous Fords Forever Car Show at Knott's Berry Farm every April. He's the Treasurer and I'm the Secretary (Minutes of our roughly 10 -12 meetings per year in preparation for the show run from 3 to 6 pages each). I'm also in charge of the Annual Wings, Wheels, Rotors & Expo show held on the Joint Forces Training Base (JFTB) in Los Alamitos, CA. This year we are fortunate to have the Air Force Thunderbirds based at the JFTB where they will take off and land during our show to do an Air Show over the ocean at Huntington Beach, CA about 10 miles from where we are. Too bad we won't see the air show, but we will get to have all the ground ceremonies and meet & greet with the pilots and their ground personnel. Both of these shows are really neat events, but are very time consuming.
Bob
57 AGIN
Nice score Jeff!
That will be a nice project car, good score for sure with all the extra parts. I can't see the exhaust ports or casting numbers on the 428 heads, would be nice if they were CJ's. But any 428 is a torque monster that will pull anything :burnout:
Pretty sure they are not CJ heads, no Thermactor holes in the exhaust ports,plus by the looks of the pistons and harmonic balancer, it is a pre 68 engine, so likely a T bird or Galaxie engine. Regardless, great score!
And Jeff, I just received my latest addition of Canadian Hot Rods Magazine, with a nice 8 page colour spread of your 32 Ford Coupe, sweet car.
Quote from: 59meteor on 2016-09-03 11:07
Pretty sure they are not CJ heads, no Thermactor holes in the exhaust ports,plus by the looks of the pistons and harmonic balancer, it is a pre 68 engine, so likely a T bird or Galaxie engine. Regardless, great score!
And Jeff, I just received my latest addition of Canadian Hot Rods Magazine, with a nice 8 page colour spread of your 32 Ford Coupe, sweet car.
I seem to recall there were two different CJ castings, with and without the smog ports, but I could be wrong.. I have the smog port ones on my 390..
Over the 40 years that I have been drag racing FEs, mostly 428CJs, I have yet to see a CJ head without the Thermactor holes drilled and threaded into the exhaust ports. I have seen some very early CJ/GTE castings that had the 14 bolt exhaust pattern (like a "GT" head, but with the higher exh, port outlet), but I have yet to see any CJ heads lacking the smog holes. I have seen many non CJ heads with Thermactor holes, like a 68 Torino 390 wagon I parted out, as well as some PU trucks, so that is not unusual, even if not really common. Not saying it is not possible that Ford did sell a CJ head without smog holes, but I`ve never seen any, and I have owned and seen many CJ heads over the years.
Jeff
That's a nice looking car. I hope that you have a place inside where you can keep it. With the new car, and all of those new parts, I think that you are going to be a very busy boy.
You did good. Jay
Looks good, Jeff, but as usual, I'm confused. First, you said you scored a 428 for the Texas car...aren't both yours Texas cars?...so not sure which one you were referring to.
Secondly, I saw your first one when it was in storage at Bob's, and the great shape that one is in, at a cursary look, makes me wonder why this second one is an advantage?
I am happy to have played a small role in this buy. A friend of mine has joked that when he is faced with buying a new project, I am like the little devil sitting on one shoulder telling him to do it, lol. Great score Jeff...
Did this Texas car reside in Victoria? Got a guy there who has a few 57 cars and a clean ranchero. He bought my first ranchero and flipped it, and now he won't even sell a piece of trim. He is approaching 80 years of age, and has 5 nice rods in his crowded garage.
That's a nice looking project!
Jeff, just sent a pm regarding the panels.
Quote from: 57AGIN on 2016-09-02 14:18
Jeff:
Looks like you have scored a great project car & engine. I hope you are able to bring it up to the standards your cars always have without too much hassle. My 57 is getting close to the re-assembly stage at Santini's and I'm sure I will be spending quite a bit of my time over there during that process. I do envy the 57 enthusiasts on this site that are able to do their own work on their cars, it is a skill set that I'm woefully unskilled at.
Like you I, too have a goodly amount on my plate. Rick and I are both heavily involved with the Ford Car Club Council here in Southern California we put on the Annual Fabulous Fords Forever Car Show at Knott's Berry Farm every April. He's the Treasurer and I'm the Secretary (Minutes of our roughly 10 -12 meetings per year in preparation for the show run from 3 to 6 pages each). I'm also in charge of the Annual Wings, Wheels, Rotors & Expo show held on the Joint Forces Training Base (JFTB) in Los Alamitos, CA. This year we are fortunate to have the Air Force Thunderbirds based at the JFTB where they will take off and land during our show to do an Air Show over the ocean at Huntington Beach, CA about 10 miles from where we are. Too bad we won't see the air show, but we will get to have all the ground ceremonies and meet & greet with the pilots and their ground personnel. Both of these shows are really neat events, but are very time consuming.
Bob
57 AGIN
Thanks Bob.... I will slowly work this car up to where it belongs,.I just don't have enough mental strength to do a full blow apart build.. my last 2 cars were this way and it totalled 15 years...I will drive and slowly work this on up.
Yes. the car show deal takes A LOT of time... we have been doing it now for 3 years and it takes a ton of time.If anyone thinks that it's about making $$$,..they are wrong...We do it because we love the hobby.
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2016-09-03 09:19
That will be a nice project car, good score for sure with all the extra parts. I can't see the exhaust ports or casting numbers on the 428 heads, would be nice if they were CJ's. But any 428 is a torque monster that will pull anything :burnout:
Jim.. it's a plain ole 66 428.Not a CJ.. but I have a deal with a local speed shop that owes me a set of new complete Edelbrock Heads...which in my opinion are far superior than what was offered back then.I love Burn outs hahaha.....Thanks Jim!
Quote from: 59meteor on 2016-09-03 11:07
Pretty sure they are not CJ heads, no Thermactor holes in the exhaust ports,plus by the looks of the pistons and harmonic balancer, it is a pre 68 engine, so likely a T bird or Galaxie engine. Regardless, great score!
And Jeff, I just received my latest addition of Canadian Hot Rods Magazine, with a nice 8 page colour spread of your 32 Ford Coupe, sweet car.
Thanks very much..I have yet to see the new CHR mag yet....Looking forward to it.Terry Denomme is a very nice guy!
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2016-09-03 21:50
Jeff
That's a nice looking car. I hope that you have a place inside where you can keep it. With the new car, and all of those new parts, I think that you are going to be a very busy boy.
You did good. Jay
Thanks Jay... as I was picking up the car and parts...I kept thinking"What would Jay-----------> do?"
As per usual..Been very very busy with work.. just got home from a European vacation,then a nasty flu/cold developed due to the gross overcrowded plane trip home.... saddled with a ton of work as well.
I will try and call you within the next week.
Quote from: RICH MUISE on 2016-09-03 22:31
Looks good, Jeff, but as usual, I'm confused. First, you said you scored a 428 for the Texas car...aren't both yours Texas cars?...so not sure which one you were referring to.
Secondly, I saw your first one when it was in storage at Bob's, and the great shape that one is in, at a cursary look, makes me wonder why this second one is an advantage?
Rich..the 428 is for the B/W texas car you saw at Bob's place in Wellington...My original 57..which is a Texas car.....
This 57 i bought out of Iowa, but I looked up the Data codes and it was made at the Dallas plant in 57... I bought this car because the price,(ridiculously cheap) and it was a driver.(this was a BIG incentive)This Iowa car's body is good.but the car from Bobs it far better.....
Both 57's are going to get built.
Funny thing..my wife likes the 57's far more than my early fords.... So... she will have her own.
Quote from: JPotter57 on 2016-09-04 19:32
I am happy to have played a small role in this buy. A friend of mine has joked that when he is faced with buying a new project, I am like the little devil sitting on one shoulder telling him to do it, lol. Great score Jeff...
You have a very BIG role James...I would not have gone for it if it was not for our conversations.... It turned out very very well... you are a Mountain of Ford info!!!!
Quote from: jumping jack flash on 2016-09-05 18:07
Did this Texas car reside in Victoria? Got a guy there who has a few 57 cars and a clean ranchero. He bought my first ranchero and flipped it, and now he won't even sell a piece of trim. He is approaching 80 years of age, and has 5 nice rods in his crowded garage.
No.....From what I was told.. the previous owner bought this car off a Native American kid who worked a Casino in Nebraska... The man i bought this car from has owned it since 91 or 92.
Quote from: Marc on 2016-09-06 10:19
That's a nice looking project!
Thanks Marc!...I will be in touch later to see if those panels are even feasible to ship..Just very busy at the moment.
Well..thanks for all the responses and kind words...Gotta get back to work...I am heading back to Iowa to pick up the parts car....The pics don't say much...but it has more than enough good spare parts I can use...
I plan to head out at the end of the month.... long drive...15 hours one way..ugh.
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Looks like we know who to call for spare parts!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: gasman826 on 2016-09-08 17:08
Looks like we know who to call for spare parts!!!!!!!!!
ha ha ha
So I believe this car with the 460 has a58 steering box....man. she is tight.Seems to be about an 1/8 of space between the S/B and exhaust manifold.
The fit otherwise is a nice set up.Changed out the wires,new plugs with a proper gap and other small maintenance items.. runs very strong...55 pounds oil pressure(constant) and stays steady at 190 degrees.A new rad was in the car when I purchased.
The first time I installed a 460 with OEM manifolds, I ground the exhaust manifold to get 1/4" clearance. I drove it just one summer before headers went in. I was told a left CJ manifold would work better. I couldn't find one laying around to prove it. I got some improved clearance by shimming the right engine mount. If OEM 460 mounts were used, substitute the rivet for a bolt. Tightening the bolt will restrict the engine movement.
Great deal, Jeff !!!
I'd rather cry to think of the second car being a donor car, speaking from their availability here in Europe. it definitely has a ton of good parts. The main car is great too! Wow!
ask Jay if you should tear it all down and make a frame off project......you should do just that.....hahaha...... ;):003:
First one I did with a 460 I ground the steering box cover, slotted the motor mounts and got about 3/8 inch clearance. From the start I dont think you could get a rolling paper between the steering box/ header tube.
Quote from: gasman826 on 2016-09-09 21:51
The first time I installed a 460 with OEM manifolds, I ground the exhaust manifold to get 1/4" clearance. I drove it just one summer before headers went in. I was told a left CJ manifold would work better. I couldn't find one laying around to prove it. I got some improved clearance by shimming the right engine mount. If OEM 460 mounts were used, substitute the rivet for a bolt. Tightening the bolt will restrict the engine movement.
Good to know!..I will check that!
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2016-09-10 15:36
Great deal, Jeff !!!
I'd rather cry to think of the second car being a donor car, speaking from their availability here in Europe. it definitely has a ton of good parts. The main car is great too! Wow!
ask Jay if you should tear it all down and make a frame off project......you should do just that.....hahaha...... ;):003:
I do need to pow wow with the chief and get clearance hahahaha!
Quote from: rmk57 on 2016-09-10 17:14
First one I did with a 460 I ground the steering box cover, slotted the motor mounts and got about 3/8 inch clearance. From the start I dont think you could get a rolling paper between the steering box/ header tube.
Yes...passenger side is good.... driver side is t i g h t !
[quote I'd rather cry to think of the second car being a donor car, speaking from their availability here in Europe. it definitely has a ton of good parts. The main car is great too! Wow!
ask Jay if you should tear it all down and make a frame off project......you should do just that.....hahaha...... [/quote]
Jeff
If you tear that car all down as you stated, you are going to get a beating. Just fix what needs fixing and get into it and drive it like you stole it. You ain't got the time to put into another loooong frame off project.
We need to talk. Jay
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2016-09-11 23:00
[quote I'd rather cry to think of the second car being a donor car, speaking from their availability here in Europe. it definitely has a ton of good parts. The main car is great too! Wow!
ask Jay if you should tear it all down and make a frame off project......you should do just that.....hahaha......
Jeff
If you tear that car all down as you stated, you are going to get a beating. Just fix what needs fixing and get into it and drive it like you stole it. You ain't got the time to put into another loooong frame off project.
We need to talk. Jay
Jay..I will call you tomorrow and bring my Peace Pipe.
ALERT!!!!!!!!! Jeff is 'in country' sledding his way to Iowa to pickup the donor car. Keep an ear out in case he needs a hand. Looking for 10" of snow on some of his route. It never seems to fail whenever I do a road trip with a trailer to pick up a car, the weather does not cooperate. If you need help, just ask.
I SAW THAT ONE!!! I wished I had the fluid cash at the time or else I would have grabbed it too. Glad to hear it was a good car for a great price!