I am a big fan of dog dish hubcaps and I have those on my 15" x 7" wheels that are powder coated black. I am looking for a little more look for my wheels and I would also like to squeeze 8" wide rims on the back using a custom 5.25" back spacing. While looking at options especially from Wheel Vintiques (they will do a custom back spacing) I discovered they offer a 17" factory style wheel that will accept a dog dish. Hum.... I also want to powder coat all 4 wheels Argent Silver. The black wheels on a black and white car seem a little to mundane. No decisions on the size or color as yet. I am torn as usual!!!!
Lynn............regardless of the size wheel you use, I'd suggest you paint a wheel Argent Silver and then install the Dog Dish cap to see if you like it, before you have four wheels powder coated.
John
Not sure of the silver Lynn. but your car is perfect in the 2 tone black n white.... I would be more apt to do the wheels in a warm milkshake white with the DD Caps..... but thats me.
Always listen to an artist when considering colors! seriously!
I'm not a huge fan of dog dish caps, but with that said, and knowing that's where you're headed, the key words to what Jeff said is " warm milkshake".
What he is saying, I believe, is let the bright white on the body be the brightest so your eyes are not bouncing back and forth between the car and it's components. Hope that makes sense.
Lynn
I have to agree with Rich because Old Jeff is an artist and he knows how to make colors do t heir thing.
Jay
If it was me LOL, I would take a picture of the car and then use a paint program to paint and test different color rims and hub cap combinations to see what looks best to your eye, no one elses opinion matters.
I don't like these huge new wheels on any classic car, yuck.. so 17's would be out of the question for me, but its your car so do what pleases you.
Opinions do matter, imho, there just not the final say......opinions get you thinking, or in this case getting the wheels turning.
With all things, Lynn, you have to consider that you will be driving around without hubcaps anyways, unless you are going out for a date ! :002: :003:
I am not a fan of big wheels either but they do allow for better tire choices and bigger brakes. If I were to paint them black I doubt few would notice. I really appreciate the comments on color AND trying one with paint prior to powder coating. What's driving this is a while back I saw a black and white Custom like mine but with a black top and the silver wheels, I loved it. Recently I saw a black and white '57 brand X with silver wheels and dog dish caps... that got me going on this again. That for the comments guys... I will keep y'all posted.
I agree with Jeff. An off white contrasting with the snow white would look perfect INHO.
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2019-09-06 17:57
If it was me LOL, I would take a picture of the car and then use a paint program to paint and test different color ....
Hmm. I messed with that for way too long & still can't get it quite right. Used one of the few pics I found of Lynn's car.
If I had a brighter pic of it as a very squared up, round wheels, profile pic it might help.
Lynn, not exactly sure what your looking for but this might give you some idea of what the off white color looks like that guys have mentioned. Shouldn't stock white wheels be the same white color as the hubcaps, or the white of the body? Wimbledon white?
Tried to put some thin whitewalls in a pic too. I've used them to kinda spiff up the look of some vehicles.
Just my 2 cents, but those are good examples of why Jeff talked about an off white. If you try to focus on the body of the car in the first pic, your eyes are almost uncontrollably drawn to the wheels, then start bouncing back and forth because of the brighter white on the wheels compared to the body color is drawing your eyes there even though that's not what your trying to look at. Same effect with the whitewalls as added to the pic, but to a lesser degree.
This is gonna sound far fetched, but bear with me a minute..........My second career of 28 years was in custom picture framing. Same principles apply here. When a piece of art is framed properly, the framing should be an extension of the artwork, helping your eyes to focus on the artwork not compete or overwhelm it. One of the ways we did that was to make sure both the lightest and darkest colors were in the artwork, not the framing. Framing materials that are too intense or bright keep your eyes from enjoying the flow/composition of the artwork that a good artist like Jeff designed into it without the observer even being aware of.
This pretty much applies to all colors, not just the whites.
Beautiful house, Lynn.
I don't know, I understand what Rich is saying and that may work for art but I'm not sure about cars.
Guys brains are programed to look at the wheels :003: Thats usually the first thing your eyes gravitate to unless it's black rims and tires. I think that is why there is such a huge market for all the shiny wheels. I agree I don't like the white wheels and like the black ones with the white walls better.
Wow! Thanks for that effort Tom. Very interesting, I wish I had experience with the photo shop thing. Not a fan of white walls at all. I have considered white wheels and I believe they would need to be matched to the white on the hub caps. I am not sure if my car has Colonial White paint since it was painted when I bought it. Wimbledon White is a little "creamier" than the white on the car and the hubcaps, I think?
Rich, thanks again for your input. BTW, that's not my house, it is my neighbors house... it makes a better background! :002:
I get a lot of compliments on my car (as I am sure we all do), the negative comments are about wheels but more specifically rear tire size. I don't try to please other people but I kind of feel the same, hence this exercise.
A couple of pics...
I know you said "I am looking for a little more look for my wheels" but I think anything other then what you have is going to pop. If it was mine I would leave it as is or maybe just chrome. Just tried the front, chrome is just too hard to paint.
That is EXACTLY the look I had in mind what I had in mind with the Argent Silver wheels, thanks a LOT for the pic. My splash apron is Argent Silver so I am thinking the wheels would work in the same color...
OK, got the spray can back out :003:
Jim, You may have saved my me a bunch of money and time! Too soon to say yet. It looks different for sure, MAYBE not what I really want. I have to digest all of this. Can't say thanks enough!
that looks sweet, but really, it is hard to beat your actual wheels on the car, Lynn ! IMHO you just need a little more sidewall on the rear tires, and a little less on the fronts. I would just leave the wheels and caps as is.
Jim's chrome option looks nice, but makes the car a little more dolled up, which might work with your paint scheme. ( usually a base model Custom doesn't need much doll up and looks a little odd with smoothie wheels. If at all you should use OEM chromed or chrome reversed).
btw, this is how Wheel Vintique chrome wheels looked on my Del Rio. pretty similar paint scheme except for the whitewalls.
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2019-09-08 16:11
btw, this is how Wheel Vintique chrome wheels looked on my Del Rio. pretty similar paint scheme except for the whitewalls.
If I live long enough those are the type I will probably use when I switch to 15" and more then likely no hub caps, I've just never been a fan of caps. I prefer more of a Nascar look.
I have another idea LOL. What if you did the outer part of the rim Argent and left the center black. It would be similar to a small beauty ring.
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2019-09-08 12:41OK, got the spray can back out :003:
Your spray can works a lot better than mine.
If it was my car I'd put some aftermarket aluminum wheels on it but obviously that's not what Lynn wants.
Coincidentally I discovered a couple weeks ago how well a '57 DD hubcap would fit this aftermarket wheel. Should be easy enough to make up some fingers to hold the cap in place. They could be attached to the wheel thru the existing round holes & not damage the wheel by drilling holes in them for screws to attach the fingers.
Fuzzy lookin' pix. (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/TomIII/smilies/Doanno.gif)
yes for reference I forgot to mention that they are 15" wheel vintique chrome wheels on my Del Rio. 15x6 frt and 15x7 in the back. they have slightly different offset.
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2019-09-08 18:51
If I live long enough those are the type I will probably use when I switch to 15" and more then likely no hub caps, I've just never been a fan of caps. I prefer more of a Nascar look.
LOL, the more I think about it maybe I'll do something like this on mine.
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2019-09-09 07:47
LOL, the more I think about it maybe I'll do something like this on mine.
Or like one of these? :002:
No Tom, When and if I ever change to 15" I'll go with a metal wheel. Maybe something like black rim with Argent outer trim and baby moons. But I change my mind everyday :003:
How about this......use 15" O.E. style black steel wheels...?.small O.E. style dog dish caps...?.AND add stainless beauty rings to break up the all black wheels/tires?
I use this combination on my vintage trailer rebuilds, but powder coat the wheels in the trailer trim color. The reproduction Chinese hub caps are pretty crappy today, but their stainless steel trim rings are pretty nice quality, and cheap.
My stainless rings come from Hub Cap Mike's in Orange, CA.
John I'm not sure if you are replying to Lynns request or my day dreams. For me I did think about beauty rings but decided they would be too wide, I just want a small 1/2" area to break the tire/rim black. I think paint would be the only way to do that.
Thanks for all the input to date guys. I looked at the pics and I now think I am going to stay with the black! The silver doesn't look as "tough" as the black. I am also thinking I will stay with the 15" rims when I get the 8" wide rims for the back. Since I am planning on 5.25" back spacing The car will look like it has the same wheels front and rear. 275/60 tires are in my future too. They will be the same diameter as the 235/70's on it now.
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2019-09-11 09:56
No Tom, When and if I ever change to 15" I'll go with a metal wheel. Maybe something like black rim with Argent outer trim and baby moons. But I change my mind everyday :003:
Baby moons instead of '57 dog dish hubcaps?! :103:
I'm surprised that you don't already have 15" wheels.
I sure like your red/black paint scheme. (http://57fordsforever.com/smf/Smileys/default/thumbsup.gif)
Quote from: lalessi1 on 2019-09-11 15:49
Thanks for all the input to date guys. I looked at the pics and I now think I am going to stay with the black! The silver doesn't look as "tough" as the black. I am also thinking I will stay with the 15" rims when I get the 8" wide rims for the back. Since I am planning on 5.25" back spacing The car will look like it has the same wheels front and rear. 275/60 tires are in my future too. They will be the same diameter as the 235/70's on it now.
I agree Lynn, black is the way to go. 275/60, will those fit or is your rear shortened?
Quote from: Tom S on 2019-09-12 03:13
Baby moons instead of '57 dog dish hubcaps?! :103:
I'm surprised that you don't already have 15" wheels.
I sure like your red/black paint scheme. (http://57fordsforever.com/smf/Smileys/default/thumbsup.gif)
dog dish would work for me it's just getting hard to find originals in good condition but it's still an option. I've been running the 14" cragars because they were free. Everyone seems to like them but me. I have to wear out the new tires before I change to 15". By then there may not even be 15" tires available anymore :005:
Jim, I don't know why, but the Cragars sure DO work on your car! I love the stance and wheel/tires! I think it is the color combo and blackwalls. Cragars look odd on many other 1950s crusiers. I still like them. even had them on my 34 for a VERY short time. :003:
Lynn, now you start sounding reasonable again....why did you start this thread... :003:
No, I think you were completely right to ask for opinions and options. only to find out that what you have is great already.
You cannot go wrong with black 15s on your Custom ! the tires will be an interesting change though. I love bias ply blackwalls, but those obviously are not a choice with an FE. I still think that too wide tires do not look good on a 50s Ford. Maybe you could get a 235 with taller sidewall like a 75. you definitely need to downsize your front tires.
Quote from: lalessi1 on 2019-09-11 15:49
Thanks for all the input to date guys. I looked at the pics and I now think I am going to stay with the black! The silver doesn't look as "tough" as the black. I am also thinking I will stay with the 15" rims when I get the 8" wide rims for the back. Since I am planning on 5.25" back spacing The car will look like it has the same wheels front and rear. 275/60 tires are in my future too. They will be the same diameter as the 235/70's on it now.
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2019-09-12 06:42
dog dish would work for me it's just getting hard to find originals in good condition but it's still an option.
Yeah, it seems like the full size hubcaps are more available than the DD ones.
This $40 pair of DD caps in Riaito don't look bad & they're not way overpriced.
https://www.ebay.com/i/264289404293?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=264289404293&targetid=593772237253&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9033841&poi=&campaignid=2086169716&mkgroupid=76147899766&rlsatarget=aud-622524042878:pla-593772237253&abcId=1141016&merchantid=118844888&gclid=Cj0KCQjw2efrBRD3ARIsAEnt0ei0ghLe43ApArLj71MJ2EImcB77KiYBrsRF9gJZVNEdOz3yCGC0uPAaAuyBEALw_wcB
This $40 pair does
not look good.
https://www.ebay.com/i/183737470366?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=183737470366&targetid=593772286493&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9033841&poi=&campaignid=2086169716&mkgroupid=76147899766&rlsatarget=aud-622524042878:pla-593772286493&abcId=1141016&merchantid=110422517&gclid=Cj0KCQjw2efrBRD3ARIsAEnt0egS8AzjKfmZHYHGSwprGnN2UFsxQZ2SNIC-5_MfYATmNuu_rNZwf1caAlHxEALw_wcB
Four for $180. Two of 'em look pretty good.
https://www.ebay.com/i/123773195441?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=123773195441&targetid=596465992748&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9033841&poi=&campaignid=6470636538&mkgroupid=81597521470&rlsatarget=aud-622524042878:pla-596465992748&abcId=1140476&merchantid=101719438&gclid=Cj0KCQjw2efrBRD3ARIsAEnt0ei9MkLw8_GORcehKnlo2nJq3SA3DlVbvoloCqa6fqoYONPtaoprcZ8aAjAkEALw_wcB
If somebody feels rich they could go for this set of NOS caps @ $400. :-\
https://www.ebay.com/i/293162162990?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=293162162990&targetid=475515324661&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9033841&poi=&campaignid=6469750693&mkgroupid=79220282802&rlsatarget=aud-622524042878:pla-475515324661&abcId=1141176&merchantid=113129402&gclid=Cj0KCQjw2efrBRD3ARIsAEnt0ejlTiQMzxf_2qbI9FupkzFpdfVFyzQxMohUO3GVsHRy8j3VpXXhl3AaAjehEALw_wcB
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2019-09-12 16:15
Jim, I don't know why, but the Cragars sure DO work on your car! I love the stance and wheel/tires! I think it is the color combo and blackwalls. Cragars look odd on many other 1950s crusiers. I still like them. even had them on my 34 for a VERY short time. :003:
Yes, I don't hate them but they are showing their age, probably from the 70's. I cleaned them once when I put them on and haven't touched them since, I have better use of time then polish chrome :003: The other problem is finding good 14" tires and the back spacing on these only allows for 215 anything wider and they would be hitting the upper A arm.
Quote from: Tom S on 2019-09-12 18:17
Yeah, it seems like the full size hubcaps are more available than the DD ones.
I watch Evilbay all the time, prices and condition are all over the place. I only have 5000 miles on my new tires so I have plenty of time left to make decisions on what I'll do.
I have a set of PERFECT NOS dog dish and the ones on my car are nice. Two are practically perfect, one has the chrome flaking off the edge, and one has slight dings from studs that were a little too long. Jim, my measurements tell me the 275/60's should fit on 8" wheels in the rear IF they have a 5.25" back space. my axle is not narrowed and Tom, the wheels are 15 x 7 in the pictures. Guenter, I am not a fan of staggered tire/wheel sizes so at some point I may put the same size wheel/tire combo in the front (if the back fits).
Quote from: lalessi1 on 2019-09-13 07:09
I have a set of PERFECT NOS dog dish and the ones on my car are nice. Two are practically perfect, one has the chrome flaking off the edge, and one has slight dings from studs that were a little too long. Jim, my measurements tell me the 275/60's should fit on 8" wheels in the rear IF they have a 5.25" back space. my axle is not narrowed and Tom, the wheels are 15 x 7 in the pictures. Guenter, I am not a fan of staggered tire/wheel sizes so at some point I may put the same size wheel/tire combo in the front (if the back fits).
I prefer the same size front and rear also, it's all about the cornering :002: If your new combination works out maybe I could use your old 15x7 :003:
I'm running an old set of Centerline auto drags on the rear that are 8.5 wide and 5.125 b/s. My tires are 255 /60/15's with a 10.8" section width. I trimmed about 3/8" off the fender lip just for a bit more room for cornering, speed bumps, etc. Your going to be really, really close with a 275 tire without rolling or trimming the lip. I'm interested to know how it works out as thats the size I want to go up to next.
Randy
I know I am on the ragged edge...that is why I thought 5.25 b/s would help (maybe). I measured what I have now and subtracted the extra 20mm on the outside and the 1" plus the 20mm on the inside. on paper it should work. I did trim the lip on one side to see how much that would help. The only question is whether or not a 275 mm section width is accurate. I measured a friend's 285 tire and it was substantially wider than 285 mm