What is everybody's opinion on 57 Del Rio (2dr Custom 300 Ranch Wagon) market today?
Personally believe I observed that the market seemed to be drying up over the past years.
I am neither trying to sell my own Del Rio project, nor in the market for purchasing another one. But since I bookmarked a search on ebay for 57 Del Rio I find that the market is very slow, and if one shows up prices are very high. obviously mostly street rodded cars, rarely an original.
Does anyone think that this would be in coincidence with the introduction of Monogram's 1/25th model about 5 yrs ago? possibly increasing the demand for the 'real life' classic?
Back when I started looking for a 57 DR in about 2011 or so they were abundant. resto projects seemed to pop up all the time - have all these been sold and undergoing restoration right now ???
I am a bit dumbfounded. While my own project car is blown apart and suffered from heavy rust and accident damage, I am tempted to think that I am lucky to have one at all ....what do you guys think ?
Price of metal went up last winter a bit for awhile. I wonder if that had any effect on the shortage? A lot yards unloaded tons of metal while the price was high...which of course shoved the price back over the cliff again pretty quick.
Could also be that there are just not any guys out there looking to part with their 57's anymore. I have turned down several $1000.00 for mine in years past.
When I think of the description "market drying up", I'm usually thinking in terms of there being no buyers. I don't think that's the case with our '57's. Demand seems to be higher than availability, I think because, in a large part, the Chevy tri-5 market has become over saturated, over exposed, peaked, overpriced, over built, over-everything. What I get asked about most often are Custom 2 drs, Rancheros, and Ranchwagon/Del Rios.
It may be a subtle difference in language translation, Guenter, but usually when we talk about market drying up over here it means ya can't sell what you have. Technically you're probably correct using the description, that is, to have a market, you need a buyer, a seller, and a product to sell, but we normally are referring to the buyers not being around when we use that description.
I feel like I'm preaching to the choir, your English is usually so perfect.
Might be fair to say the supply has dried up. A year ago I noticed a few for sale but now as G said...does not seem to be many if any depending on which day one looks. And some think they are sitting on rolling gold mines with prices WAY out of the realm of sane.
As for the tri-5 Bow-Ties...Dynacorn is now making bodies for them, and so for $10k you can have a perfect body delivered to the sawhorses in your garage. There are gonna be a LOT more of them from year to year in the future.
thank you Rich for your input. I did use the wrong terminology. the way you explained it makes absolute sense and I did mean it the other way around!
wanted to say that very few Del Rio's or 57 wgns are out on the market. maybe it is only on ebay because obviously I cannot check all the different craigslists or Bring a trailer auctions or all the classic car traders at a time. But it is obvious when you google search 57 Del Rio 4 sale, there are much fewer listings than some years ago.
a lot of what both of you say makes sense to me.
Is it possible, that poeple are not even looking into selling their 57 wgns. or 57s in general?
As we all know it is VERY expensive to build a collector car or do a restoration project these days, and some ethusiast people might just see they have great collectible cars and are happy to own them and not having to put 10k into another project car to be in roadworthy condition.
I also believe that our beloved 57 Fords might be much rarer and sought after than we usually want to think.
This one has been for sale on and off for about 1/2 year now it seems. apperently did not sell.
http://smclassiccars.com/ford/630822-1957-ford-del-rio-for-sale.html (http://smclassiccars.com/ford/630822-1957-ford-del-rio-for-sale.html)
(http://smclassiccars.com/uploads/postfotos/1957-ford-del-rio-for-sale-2.jpg)
I believe it was advertised on epay for 59 k. maybe that is too much for a highly personalized resto mod car?
other than that no budget or project cars I can think of in a year or so.
There's a real nice yellow/white one on eBay now. I stumble across the odd one on Craigslist when I do a state to state search. All in all there aren't a lot of them around anymore.
Randy, do you mean this one ?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Ford-Fairlane-2dr-Ranch-Wagon/324024286731?hash=item4b715a3e0b%3Ag%3AmygAAOSwfEJeBT1r&LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C1000%7C2500 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Ford-Fairlane-2dr-Ranch-Wagon/324024286731?hash=item4b715a3e0b%3Ag%3AmygAAOSwfEJeBT1r&LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C1000%7C2500)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/mygAAOSwfEJeBT1r/s-l500.jpg)
this must have been listed very recently. It is not to my personal likings and unfortunately again has been robbed of the gorgeous og 300 gold anodized trim panels and double ss trim. if you look closely on the detail pics it is a little rough in places. it'll be interesting to watch the auction and if it gets sold.
Our German member Kai ( or a car dealer on his behalf) is obviously selling his Country sedan, which Kai successfully used on various Hot Rod Power Tours over the past years. Quite an attractive car and the mechanicals must be sorted, since it made so many miles recently. I don't know if that is correctly priced. these days it is so difficult to understand the market. it is one of very few advertised 57 wgns. I have been following this very car for at least 7 or 8 yrs or so.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Ford-Other/233412897095?hash=item36587e2947%3Ag%3AlQ0AAOSwfopd2fVC&LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C1000%7C2500
(https://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Ford-Other/233412897095?hash=item36587e2947%3Ag%3AlQ0AAOSwfopd2fVC&LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C1000%7C2500)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/lQ0AAOSwfopd2fVC/s-l500.jpg)
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2020-01-01 17:41
This one has been for sale on and off for about 1/2 year now it seems. apperently did not sell.
http://smclassiccars.com/ford/630822-1957-ford-del-rio-for-sale.html (http://smclassiccars.com/ford/630822-1957-ford-del-rio-for-sale.html)
I believe it was advertised on epay for 59 k. maybe that is too much for a highly personalized resto mod car?
other than that no budget or project cars I can think of in a year or so.
Yea...that is a bit excessive I think unless there is something really special done to it. didn't read the listing yet.) Almost makes me think someone listed it because the wife told him to...and when it doesn't sell he can argue that he tried...
you have a point there Hugh !
Yes, that's one. Here's our 58 Villager wagon from years ago. Came out of El Centro, Calif. One of the more rust free 50's cars Iv'e ever owned.
(https://i.imgur.com/3vklXYS.jpg)
Intersting topic....I think the prices on some of the 57's we love are still reasonable,.... Gunther,Kai's car is very well priced(INMHO)....others.. are not.
But I believe the bottom has fallen from our car market.A friend of mine was watching the Mecum action over the holidays.. and this 36 Ford went for a very stupid low price.Not my color choice or wheels..but.... 14K?????
The 30 year old crowd is NOT into cars from the teens to the 70's.They did not grow up with them.(Majority here, there are exceptions.)
I think part of the problem is many want every dollar out of their car that they put in.In todays world .... that just is not going to happen.
Building a car is just so very expensive.... A Average paint job with supplies,product,labour ....on the cheap. is 10K around here.... and climbs steady after that.
Younger people don't have that type of money.. and the successful 30 year olds now.. are just not interested.They want cars they yearned for in their Highschool days.
Supras,Mercedes,Bmw,Hondas and the such.
I have always said.. build a car you love.. that's your return.
or start buying the above.
(https://i.imgur.com/ViUox6K.jpg)
Feel bad for the seller on that coupe. I even like the yellow. I can't watch auctions any more........I get depressed for too many sellers and depressed because I'm not there with cash, lol!
With that siad, I still think if you have the right car with the right appeal, there's enough big bucks guys out there that'll pay the price it takes.
I agree Rich!!!.. that car 10 years back was 35-40K.. Minimum!!!!
very interesting Jeff. lots of true points in your observations !
Did that 36 REALLY sell for that ??? maybe the reserve was not met? I heard that the market for auctions is also too big, too many auctions and cars and too few interested persons. just what you said Jeff.
I think there is a huge discrepancy between the cost and quality of spare parts and restoration work ( f.e. paint our rate) and the price of a finished average collector car.
I wish I had spent a little more money on a very sweet ( Robinson built) Del Rio over here a few years ago. I believe I now have the same money in my pile and it isn't even driveable, let alone restored. from the money aspect, I should never again touch the Del Rio or dump another single $ in it.
It is only half bad though, since I can use most of the NOS and new repro spare parts for my 4dr wgn. Still haven't decided if I want to finish the restoration on the Del Rio. But obviously since Del Rios are getting hard to find on the market, I might as well be lucky to at least have one in my shelter...?!
There is a museum in South Dakota that has a great collection. But the owner is getting on in years and decided to start liquidating some of his stock. He felt he needed to while he could still get something for them. He started t sell off his Model "T's"...and was disappointed that he nearly couldn't even give them away. Like Jeff said...the interest just wasn't there. He was planning on starting to dispose of the "A's" sometime last year and this...wish I had some $$$...
I know the early Bronco and pickup truck market is healthy. Even the late 60's 70's f series fetch a pretty good dollar these days. As far as everything else goes, the good cars, the ones with race history, certain restorer or ownership will always fetch good money and most wont be sold at public auctions either.
The 36 did go cheap. I think a color change, lower it a little and for sure change those wheels to steelies with small caps and you could double your money at least.
Yes G. it sold for 14k USD.
Crazy.
I will always say. spend whatever you can or takes on the vehicle you LOVE.....
As for 57's... I love them..more than any other 50's or 60's Ford...well(58 and 59 too) I will never expect or see the amount of money spent on my cars back in my bank account.
I agree on the truck market as Randy has mentioned..ALL brands are very healthy at the moment... right up to 82....
Same car, same year. Color change, stance, wheels, instantly transform it to something more like this.......
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FSC0518-326521%2F1936-ford-3-window-coupe%2F&psig=AOvVaw1ILzfLCTmv9mU17vL8jCjy&ust=1578077169147000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAkQjhxqFwoTCJCsjt7J5eYCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAL
I'd be just fine with the yellow color, stance of the blue one. The big big difference is in the engine compartment. That Ardun headed flathead alone is worth more than than what the yellow car sold for by quite a bit.
I too would be okay with the yellow...and I see a lot of them these days in varying shades of yellow. The Ardun heads would be sweet. Might be the reason it went for so little was because it had one of those bow-tie motors in it. I wouldn't have it at ANY price with one of those things in it.
Yes, a crate 350 isn't going to cut it in this day and age, but a lightly modded y-block would push it along nicely without breaking the bank. Washington blue is about my favorite color on any pre-war Ford.
I haven't gotten into the Y block motors too much. BUT...I have this idea that I would like to buy a '33 Ford Coupe from Factory Five in MA and put a 312 in it. :003: Just because. Seems everyone else buying one of those is putting the 5.0 in them...(which they were designed for originally)...or stuffing a 4.6 in them which they also can be built to accept. I wanna be different.
Also thought about dropping an eco-boost V-6 or I-4 in one as well. Fuel economy and 300+ ponies! OH YEA! :burnout:
That Washington Blue 3w is very nice, the tan brown leather and wheels/grill work well.
even though the yellow was a 5w, that sure still is a bargain. But like Rich stated before, the market situation doesn't help him nor me, when you just don't have the money to spend, no matter if the cars offered are dirt cheap.
100% agree with Jeff in that investing in a car you love is the best thing to do. and use and drive them ! What good is a collector car, when you don't drive it and it gets sold off cheap at auction, after we're gone...just my personal opinion. I know there are cars that should be kept as is ( survivor, og paint, low milage etc), but most of them really should just be driven... what would be the point in building a bullet proof, hi po engine and NOT using it ? :003:
It will be really interesting, what the general situation in the classic car market will do with our 57 Fords. I really have no clue. I wonder if some really nice Del Rios will come on the market and If I'd be better off saving for some years and buy another good one or put all that hundreds of hours into repairing my sad heap. what do you guys think ? I am really just talking about Del Rio or mabye a very very original Ranchero.
Your "sad heap" is no where near as bad as the '69 Mustang I have. We replaced the following:
ALL flooring from toe-boards to truck tail
right side rocker
right side vent wall and vent
all 4 corners of the engine compartment and the battery box
both quarter panels
both door skins
the entire top-hat assembly and the grill that covers it
probably going to have to replace the front fenders as well
Other than that...was a solid car! LOL!!! Also will be getting a new wiring harness and front windshield. Engine and transmission were done before I knew what shape the metal was in...blueprinted 351 Windsor and 4-speed...although I may put a 5-speed in it...I have one laying in the front office floor out of a '90 Mustang with a 302.
My Courier isn't nearly as bad...front floors only..both rockers and possibly the left rear quarter. Rest of the metal is good to go.
Guess what I am saying is...I'd keep and finish the Del Rio...but then as I have been accused of before...and plead guilty to with no remorse...I am a sentimentalist when it comes to cars/trucks of vintage age. I have a friend who keeps telling me that I cannot save them all...and I agree...although...I have a hard time talking myself out of trying! LOL!!!
that sounds like a lot of work for a Mustang, but 69 is the first year for a 351, right ? if it's a matching car. the Del Rio came with a sweet 69 351 and I still have it. it was and still is a sweet mill, ported heads, real clean work done. nothing fancy, nice and strong. I rotate the crank several times a year while in storage. I have about 4 or 5 engines for the DelRio... 2xSBF and 3xYs...insane....
I reckon that Mustang patch panels are readily available in decent quality. not so easy with our 57s. I did order all the available EMS stuff for floors, rockers, floor braces, fender corners aso...I am still not convinced about the patch panels. They will need a lot of work to come out nice. The main problem on my Del Rio is all of the roof rain gutters and inner structure is completely rotted out, along with the upper A posts, radiator support, doors and both tailgates. Many hours and nights I spent and discussed the proper repair for that. From all metal butt welded repair to panel bonding, using ss drip rails to leading in the rain gutters aso...I am pretty confident I can do it, but what will be the price? I reckon that I will easily need 500 working hours on the metal repair. That does not include any paint, upholstery, brightwork or mechanical stuff.
For me still being quite a long way from retirement, this is an absolute NO-GO unfortunately at this point. But like Jay said, who knows. Maybe my son wants to build it in 10 years from now, or even myself later on ? That's why I am coming back to my original thoughts of maybe just being lucky and thankful for having one at all!
it seems there is no way of knowing if any further decent Del Rios will come on the market and if so, what the price might be.
Hugh, check this out and let's hear again about your Mustang comparison.
http://57fordsforever.com/smf/index.php?topic=4930.msg73886#msg73886 (http://57fordsforever.com/smf/index.php?topic=4930.msg73886#msg73886)
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2020-01-02 15:09
that sounds like a lot of work for a Mustang, but 69 is the first year for a 351, right ? if it's a matching car.
I reckon that Mustang patch panels are readily available in decent quality.
It is an all original Mustang. Ford doesn't really do "matching numbers" like the bow-tie people. But this one does have the original motor and trans. The biggest attraction to the '69 is that it was for all intents and purpose a "one year" car...first and only car of the first gen Mustangs to have 4 headlights, and while the '69 - 71 cars share the same basic body, the '69 was the only one with the seriously definitive side scoops that while in 99% of the cars were cosmetic only, were indicators of brake cooling air scoops.
The other thing for me is more sentimental. (I warned ya'!!!) A friend built the motor for me, and then passed away before I even had a chance to get 500 miles on it.
Mustang panels are available...but I lucked out. I was given a '69 coupe that a tree limb had fallen on. With the exception of the quarter panels all the other parts came off of that plus some suspension parts I used in a magazine feature for Mustangs & Fords in a Maverick brake conversion from drums to discs back in '04.
The quarters were purchased from others who had them, one from a Mustang recycling yard, one from a guy who bought one for a car he was doing and then lost interest and sold off the car but the parts separately...making more money in the process.
I am with Jeff here...never buy a car if you are going to look at the dollars or time put into it. You will lose every time. The ONLY way to make any money in this business is to build for customers. Then and only then will you be smiling when it rolls out of the shop with green in your pocket. Any other type of build...you will still be smiling...but only with the satisfaction of having built yourself one heck of a ride.
Tackle that Del...when it is over...you will be dancing a jig like a drinking Irishman!
No doubt about that. I totally second your and Jeffs opinion. building cars for yourself is about passion. the problem is, I have so many cars and just so much passion.... :003:
But who knows, you held onto your SD 57s for 40 years until you started work. I have only owned this DR 7 years, so maybe I just gotta be more patient... :002:
Oh yea...the Couriers for 40+ years...(One for nearly 50 now...this year is 48 for the white one) and the '69 Mustang has been mostly down for since 88 with brief exceptions.
And I have 3 more Mustangs, plus a '50 dodge P/U and an '82 RX-7. One Mustang, the Saleen, is already fine...bought it that way, kept it that way, the SVO needs paint, but the rest...well...yea. Also just acquired an all original (except for exhaust and wheels) 65 Chrysler New Yorker. Original paint (with some, not many, rough spots) and interior.
I can sympathize. And foolish me...I want couple of the Factory Five cars as well as a few others I see from time to time. Also in line to inherit a '49 Ford pick up, currently a rat rod. I am sure I will probably have projects that outlive me.
You should check the rear of the block of your 351. There could be a partial vin# stamping. Should or could read something like 9F******. I have 2 460's and sold 1 429 a few years back that partial vin#'s stamped on them. My 1970 Mustang has a vin# stamp on the block on it.
Interesting Randy. my 34 Ford has a 302 in it and it sure has the og pssgr car VIN stamped on the rear, just behind the manifold area. Hard to see when the engine is in a car, manifold, carb and air cleaner on top. just found it when replacing the intake and gaskets and scraped off paint.
@Hugh, sure understand your sentimental thoughts. The older I get, the harder I find it to sell a car, and I start wanting to buy back old sold ones already at age 46.... :003: My son (12) is even worse ! Every time i start thinking loud about selling this or that project he yells at me, saying :NO WAY !
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2020-01-01 18:17
Randy, do you mean this one ?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Ford-Fairlane-2dr-Ranch-Wagon/324024286731?hash=item4b715a3e0b%3Ag%3AmygAAOSwfEJeBT1r&LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C1000%7C2500 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Ford-Fairlane-2dr-Ranch-Wagon/324024286731?hash=item4b715a3e0b%3Ag%3AmygAAOSwfEJeBT1r&LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C1000%7C2500)
... it'll be interesting to watch the auction and if it gets sold. ...
Looks like it didn't sell. Reserve not met with last bid of US $16,200.
Quote from: rmk57 on 2020-01-02 16:58
You should check the rear of the block of your 351. There could be a partial vin# stamping. Should or could read something like 9F******. I have 2 460's and sold 1 429 a few years back that partial vin#'s stamped on them. My 1970 Mustang has a vin# stamp on the block on it.
They will have the part of the vin that designates the type of motor I am told...but not that i.d.'s them to the vehicle.
Should look something like this..... 0 = 1970 F = Dearborn and then the consecutive #.....
(https://i.imgur.com/yVYJcPE.jpg)
Right...but that doesn't tie it to a specific vehicle. From my Chevy friends (yea...I know...) I understand that the entire vin of the vehicle is imprinted into the motor...that motor...goes to a specific car.
I constantly try to make those people understand the folly of their ways...have converted a few over the years.... :003:
at least yom and motor specific. here's my 302
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2020-01-02 17:50
at least yom and motor specific. here's my 302
Yep...that's all.
Quote from: mustang6984 on 2020-01-02 17:48
Right...but that doesn't tie it to a specific vehicle. From my Chevy friends (yea...I know...) I understand that the entire vin of the vehicle is imprinted into the motor...that motor...goes to a specific car.
I constantly try to make those people understand the folly of their ways...have converted a few over the years.... :003:
According to my vehicle registration it does. Has the same 6 digit consecutive number as my registration which makes it a numbers matching car.
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2020-01-02 17:50
at least yom and motor specific. here's my 302
3= 1973 F= Dearborn, then 169380 should match the vehicles registration. Whether it was Mustang, Pickup at this time who knows what model it came from.
The 3 could be 63, 73, 83. I take it it's a 302?
Quote from: rmk57 on 2020-01-02 17:57
According to my vehicle registration it does. Has the same 6 digit consecutive number as my registration which makes it a numbers matching car.
Randy is correct. Out of the 5 ''R'' code 428 Cobra Jet cars that I have owned over the years, the only ''numbers matching'' engine and transmission car was my 69 Mach 1 , which had the partial VIN stamped into the back of the 428s engine block, just below the drivers deck surface, and also on the top of the C6 case, just ahead of where the tailhousing bolts up. The partial VIN has the 9 for 1969, R for the San Jose plant, followed by the 6 number ID number.
It is my understanding that the only engines/transmissions/rear gears that had the vin were specialty cars, ei, Boss 302s, Boss 429s.
My 70 Boss 302 had the sequence number stamped on the block, transmission case and the edge of the pumpkin. There was no date code or plant code stamped on any of those three items. The rear gear had the usual tag with the ratio and the fact it was a T-Lock. All the stamps were hand stamped, they were not perfectly aligned, they had numbers that were struck a little off center. I am intimate with the markings on this particular Boss 302 because it was apart a few times for checks and refresh at the end of the season while it was raced.
I have several 390 blocks and they have heir I.D. marking in them...but not a single one has a vin number.
the red & white one is back , 50k..... :005:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/193287124001?ul_noapp=true
No undercarriage,engine compartment or full interior pics.
Nice car, but to be honest...I don't think I would hand over $50k for it. Maybe $30k. If it were fully restored to Concours condition I'd be more inclined to go higher.
ZERO 0 ZERO miles!!!....but........."Has been on several power cruises without missing a beat"!!! Who writes this stuff.......must be the same group that writes for Yahoo!
If I were buying one I'd be looking for something like this. Minimal rust and even looks like original paint. Price is right also. It is sold though, but cars like this do come up from time to time.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cars-on-line.com%2Fgen3-cars%2Fcol1%2Fposting%2F96847&psig=AOvVaw1IjbrD010V7P6jyFNNjrXk&ust=1578338648192000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAkQjhxqFwoTCOjc4ueX7eYCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAb
Quote from: RICH MUISE on 2020-01-05 13:03
ZERO 0 ZERO miles!!!....but........."Has been on several power cruises without missing a beat"!!! Who writes this stuff.......must be the same group that writes for Yahoo!
Just a little curious Rich...
How can they make a claim like that??? Must have been a special odometer. Was it a special option for 57?
Quote from: mustang6984 on 2020-01-05 11:44
No undercarriage,engine compartment or full interior pics.
Nice car, but to be honest...I don't think I would hand over $50k for it. Maybe $30k. If it were fully restored to Concours condition I'd be more inclined to go higher.
It's a nice car.. but a little high on the price.
I like the on Randy posted.... very nice and a good affordable buy in price.
that would have been
THE car ! :001: ( the 6.5k og paint project)
I did watch it when it became available about a year or 2 ago. I believe somebody put a link on here or I found it on Boston cl . never got around to inquiring unfortunately. That was a good price, but I have to add the immense cost of shipping, taxes, toll and customs fees. it would have nearly doubled, before I had it at my door.
Randy, my original intent in starting this topic was exactly about what you stated
Quotecars like this do come up from time to time
I had observed that exactly that type of car did not happen to show up anymore over the past 2 years or so.
I saw a Del Rio 2 years back with a factory Roof rack in Syracuse,... 2 door car.I had to look twice at the link Randy Posted.But the one i saw was in a little better shape.. but all original.... can't remember a price. but it was similar.
I have enough 57's..I just needed to step away.
hahahaha
Quote from: Jeff Norwell on 2020-01-05 15:41
It's a nice car.. but a little high on the price.
I like the on Randy posted.... very nice and a good affordable buy in price.
Maybe I am overly picky...but I think tat one is overpriced too. I would go $5k maybe...but no more.
the red&white is back, this time at 40.9 k .....woah. I wonder what makes a pro seller drop the price 9grand in 10 days.... would still be out of my reach a loooong way.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/193301232141?ul_noapp=true (https://www.ebay.com/itm/193301232141?ul_noapp=true)
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2020-01-05 10:04
the red & white one is back , 50k..... :005:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/193287124001?ul_noapp=true
Perhaps he is slowly pulling his head back out into the real world from the small stinky cave it has been in.
Makes one wonder if he is monitoring this board! LOL!!!
Still...a $30k car..and also still has no engine compartment pics.
engine and under PICs if you expand to the big pictures.
He must have added them on this batch then. I had looked through the big pics before and didn't see much other than the body stuff. I guess I would look harder if the price were more reasonable...but I am not really in the market right now either. I already have 15 cars to move across the country, I think that is enough. LOL!!!
the red white was bid up to to 33.1k in an open auction, reserve not met.
that highest bid somebody was willing to pay is a long way from the 50k the seller was originally asking.
and now it's back at 40.9 buyitnow price. somebody was testing the waters.
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2020-01-21 08:48
and now it's back at 40.9 buyitnow price. somebody was testing the waters.
He should have taken the $33k...
Heres one for sale.............. https://www.allcollectorcars.com/for-sale/1957-Ford-Ranch-Wagon-/2328999/
and another one....................... https://www.autozin.com/imagesl/027120170801/59809535c33f9.jpg
that link didnt work, try this, it's the very bottom of the listings.. https://www.autozin.com/for-sale/1957-ford-2-door-wagon
Quote from: rmk57 on 2020-01-21 11:38
Heres one for sale.............. https://www.allcollectorcars.com/for-sale/1957-Ford-Ranch-Wagon-/2328999/
and another one....................... https://www.autozin.com/imagesl/027120170801/59809535c33f9.jpg
that link didnt work, try this, it's the very bottom of the listings.. https://www.autozin.com/for-sale/1957-ford-2-door-wagon
First one is also dreaming.
The link that worked...notice that several times a car was listed more than once? with different prices? Fishing...although they weren't bad prices.
At first I though they were the same car, but there not. One has a 300 6 and the other has a 390 transplant. The one for 10k might be an "ok" deal if the body is solid.
Guenter
Here's my opinion.. Invest a few dollars and get the Del Rio frame aligned. If you don't do it now, it will only cost
more later. Then bring it back home and store it
away where it will be high and dry. Then try not to use up too many of the body parts on the 4dr wagon. The running
gear is not all that important because you can always make anything fit anything to get a car running. Body parts are still a
lot of work even for someone like you or me. In another 3 or 4 years. there is a certain little boy that will want that real
cool 2dr. wagon. It's all paid for and just waiting for him. He is going to need a spare project to work on when he needs a
break form the car that he's working on now. In Europe, that car is going to go up in value and you already paid for
it plus the price to have it transported from the USA.
We both know that when the body is bolted on the straightened frame, it can be rolled around anywhere and the
sheet metal is really just a walk in the park. With your instructions, in another couple of years he will master sheet metal
work.
One more thing ...Don't forget to put a dummy temporary engine in it before doing body work.
Mark my words.. You will see that I'm right.
Jay
Thank you for your expertise, Jay. You have many good points there, and we have discussed the Del Rio many times before.
you make it sound easy, and it probably is. Like you say I am not really afraid of the body work and welding. rather about not having the time (right now). But in the end like you say, who knows how things will be in 5 years. Maybe it will be great to spend time with my son and working on (t)his 57 wagon... :001:
I have many dummy ( and even working) engines, even another og 1957 292 with ECZG heads. I really could make it a runner in no time.
well, thinking you are right with the chassis. trying to get that sorted and straightened out.
BUT before that I will definitely want to either
figure out the oil pressure problem or even rebuild an engine for the 4dr wgn. I really want to be able to drive it long distance.
Thx Randy for those Del Rio classifieds. Some ads look very phoney and most of them I know from years ago and obvioulsy have been sold since. The yellow (Inca Gold) one was also listed on ebay and I believe sold for 36k.
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2020-01-21 17:39
Guenter
One more thing ...Don't forget to put a dummy temporary engine in it before doing body work.
Mark my words.. You will see that I'm right.
Jay
I would use a complete engine of the sort you plan to put in the car myself...the weight being the thing. Other than that difference...I agree with all said.
G...I have kept my Couriers for well over 45 years to get to them...hanging on to that Del Rio another 5 years is easy! LOL!!! Heck...wait long enough and when I get over there in 3 years or so...I'll help you work on it! :003:
I'll take you by your word Hugh! There will be plenty of real dirty work left....haha
By dummy motor Jay definitely meant a fully assembled unit, just maybe not running. to have the full weight on the chassis while shimming and adjusting the body, fenders and doors. otherwise everything would be horribly off, once the drivetrain gets installed.
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2020-01-21 18:41
I'll take you by your word Hugh! There will be plenty of real dirty work left....haha
By dummy motor Jay definitely meant a fully assembled unit, just maybe not running. to have the full weight on the chassis while shimming and adjusting the body, fenders and doors. otherwise everything would be horribly off, once the drivetrain gets installed.
Ah! When I think of dummy motor...I think of an empty block with empty heads...easy to move around. Guess I was the "dummy" here! LOL!!!
I am not binging much in the way of tools...though I suspect you have all we need! :003: I will be having a serious discussion with the car before we leave...to make sure that it understands that it is to have NO issues while we are visiting other continents! I am quite sure we shall come to an understanding and proper meeting of the minds! :laughing7:
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2020-01-21 18:41
I'll take you by your word Hugh! There will be plenty of real dirty work left....haha
By dummy motor Jay definitely meant a fully assembled unit, just maybe not running. to have the full weight on the chassis while shimming and adjusting the body, fenders and doors. otherwise everything would be horribly off, once the drivetrain gets installed.
That's exactly what I meant. You need to have the weight of an engine and transmission
on the frame whenever you start doing serious stretching and pulling on the body, especially the door openings.
. You want the doors to fit the the opening perfectly. And it doesn't make any difference if the engine runs
or not while doing the bodywork.
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2020-01-21 19:58
That's exactly what I meant. You need to have the weight of an engine and transmission
on the frame whenever you start doing serious stretching and pulling on the body, especially the door openings.
. You want the doors to fit the the opening perfectly. And it doesn't make any difference if the engine runs
or not while doing the bodywork.
Yea...I see the reason for that. I thought you were referring to one of those plastic engines that are used for mock up stuff for firewalls and stuff. We had the same idea...just different words. LOL!!!
I thought that you could be thinking of those foam dummies Hugh. Jay, not sure if you know these. they sell engine dummies made from foam, so you can try engine position in a Hot Rod build beforehand and of course it is much easier to lift in and out and no risk of damaging finished body panels/fenders. I am not sure if they have a Y block, but for sure a flathead and the well, the....ooooh....err....you know what. :003:
Of course these are no use for putting weight on a chassis. I'd probably go the way you said. Once the frame is straightened out and true, put on the suspension and make it a roller again. that makes it much easier to put in the engine, slip the body on and off ( this will have to come off several times).
I am not sure yet if I will make some frame braces or substructure, like Hugh used on his build. There are different ways of thinking. Some guys want all the rigidity in the chassis and let the suspension do their work ( especially with hopped up performance) and others want to stay true to the original design and keep it more flexible for that 1950s showboat ride.
Since both the frame and body of my project are REALLY weak by now, I think that it needs some additional strength in the chassis.