lbeen talking alot on facebook lately, a guy has this nice 51 ford, only thing wrong with it is, has chev motor in it, and i told the guy, hay, you have a nice car, but, it has a boat anchor in it, i know its your car and you can do what ever you want, but, chev motors do NOT mix, should hav heard some of the flac i got, or am i just TO OLD SCHOOL?
He was probably short tempered because he's been hearing it so much. I can't understand the guys who do it "just to piss off Ford guys", and then wonder why they get so much negative feedback when they show or try to sell it. You've got to be eliminating 75% of the potential market.
I even get some with guys looking at my car, until they realize or are told it's NOT an LS motor. The 4.6s with efi look similar to some of the earlier LSs.
Quote from: geraldchainsaw on 2021-01-24 17:11
lbeen talking alot on facebook lately, a guy has this nice 51 ford, only thing wrong with it is, has chev motor in it, and i told the guy, hay, you have a nice car, but, it has a boat anchor in it, i know its your car and you can do what ever you want, but, chev motors do NOT mix, should hav heard some of the flac i got, or am i just TO OLD SCHOOL?
I'm old school with you :003: No Chevy in a Ford.
From the little research I had done a small block Ford swap into a 49-51 Ford the biggest obstacle is the steering linkage / crossmember. Apparently a late model Mustang double hump pan
clears the steering linkage and cross member, a repop pan is around $40 on ebay. The swap pictures I've seen with a sbc they've notched the pan or trimmed the cross member.
I'm not sure it's to piss anybody off, it's a mentality that has been droned into hot rodders for 60 years that this is the best way to go, no matter what.
I had this discussion a couple days ago on the Hamb on this same swap, and gave them my perspective and pissed off a few people.
I can't remember if the guy is here or on the HAMB but he has a 36(?) Chevy with a BB ford in it. He apparently gets lots of flack for it. Of course he loves it :003:
Mike
The ONLY time a Chev motor belongs in a Ford is when it is in the trunk of said Ford...on the way to the marina to be sold to someone looking for a boat anchor!
So...no...not wrong. (I won't even CONSIDER voting for ANY Ford at a car show with one of those things between the rails...if that is all there is in the class...then I skip that class and move on.)
Same here, if I see a Ford at a show or the dragstrip, with a non Ford engine, I just walk on by. Same thing at a people choice judged car show, I don`t care how nice the rest of the car is, if there`s a Chevy engine under the hood, I will not give it a vote. And if it`s say, a Hot Rod class, and ALL the prewar Fords have Chevy engines, I don`t vote for anything in that class. I have had these Chevy in a Ford people say it`s because "A Ford costs too much to build", but they already have well over 100 Grand in their half breed Hot Rod.
Those that say that..are sloshing with bilge water too. They just don't want to admit they are followers instead of doers.
Same here, and I've seen it my whole life and have always hated it and always heard the same money thing..... I've always been a Ford in a Ford guy, although I can get buy when someone tosses in an occasional Hemi. :002:
Or a nail head.
With me it's anything fat fendered....48 and older, I don't mind seeing a Cad, Olds, or Buick in them, it's just what we grew up with. And yeah, a Hemi goes without saying.
In the late 50s and early 60s a chevy in a 51 and earlier Ford was a common swap, it was almost a bolt in deal. I had a 41 coupe and my best friend had a 51 convertible with 55 T-bird 292 in them, both cars were really hard builds and would have been impossible had I not the use of a machine shop.
Lou, that may well be, but this isn`t 1962 anymore. The 289-302, 351W&Cs, FEs and 429-460s all would be good choices, and in the right car, like a 57, a Y Block is a valid choice as well. The 289-302 is quite a bit narrower and lighter than a SB Chev, and although slightly longer, they don`t have the rear mounted distributor to hit the firewall. Its certainly not like SB Fords are rare or hard to find, and there is a huge amount of aftermaket support available as well. No need to bastardize a Ford with some many blue oval choices out there.
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Yeah, it was common with the Chev V8's before SBF became more thoroughly developed and widely available, and fully supported by the aftermarket. But, that was the thing that started it all. Find the biggest motor (Cad, Buick, Pontiac) and put it in a very light car, whatever brand.
I happen to have a 51 Victoria project car also, but doubt I will ever get to it. But, if I do, I have an 89 Mustang 5.0 HO runner sitting on an engine stand that would look to be the easiest fit. Have heard of people using Y blocks with truck pans, but have not done it.
That said, I once bought a nice-running rusty 76 Cadiilac with a 500 in it. Pulled it with transmission to install in an 83 Buick Regal. Due to living in town and limited space, I set the engine and transmission in the empty engine bay of my 57 to reduce garage clutter. I was amazed how well it seemed to fit (other than motor mounts). Pan drop in front, no steering issues it appeared... But, I got over it and did put it in the Regal for my 16 year old son. Very torquey motor that was...
Quote from: 59meteor on 2021-01-25 08:45
Same here, if I see a Ford at a show or the dragstrip, with a non Ford engine, I just walk on by. Same thing at a people choice judged car show, I don`t care how nice the rest of the car is, if there`s a Chevy engine under the hood, I will not give it a vote. And if it`s say, a Hot Rod class, and ALL the prewar Fords have Chevy engines, I don`t vote for anything in that class. I have had these Chevy in a Ford people say it`s because "A Ford costs too much to build", but they already have well over 100 Grand in their half breed Hot Rod.
59meteor. Everything that you stated is true. No matter how nice the car may appear to be. when I spot something like that, I just keep walking.
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I also want Fords in a Ford. but lets face it. those others with the mouse engines in a Ford. they are the diehard other brand guys. and come to think of it, THEY STILL WANT A FORD to drive around !!! That tells the whole story :003:
It's no longer a ford when they put one of those boat anchors in it.
Well in all fairness the Chevy cars themselves have probably fallen apart or rusted away so they have to find something to put their motor in. They even do it to later model cars. There's all kinds of parts to swap Chevy motors into Fox Mustangs.
I know the navy is always looking for boat anchors...
I'll be passing through OKC on I-40 probably Saturday...where are you. Taking 40 into Conway AR then grabbing 65 north.
Be safe on the road my friend. This really sucks not being able to offer a rest stop for ya again, but as before...call me if you need assistance. Are you back healthwise enough to drive that much as before or is it going to be a "take it easy" trip? Get the house taken care of? I think you said one more trip for the boat?
I'm fine for driving...so that will be the best part.
Have the check for the house in hand! HOORAH! And she is moved in already!
And yep...one more trip to grab the boat.
So Hugh,
Any advice for motels/hotels/food/gas sources on road trips conducted in the current covid-focused environment? We will leave for Florida from Minnesota tomorrow or Friday. Going thru eastern Iowa and eastern Missouri, then Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama.
Will try to make the 1200 miles in 2 days again. My guess would be the hotels and motels are fairly desolate and room availability is not an issue. Is that what you are finding? We always look for places at least an hour out of any metro area, no matter what state. I have mixed feelings about reserving rooms, cuz sometimes we feel like driving later into the night with lesser traffic.
Last year a coil went out late at night (on my 3rd full set of those darn things now at 141k miles), so the last trip down took almost 3 days instead with a day lost to repairs. Wish my 2007 Sport Trac had the 2000 era 5.0 instead of the 4.6. The last 5.0's are more reliable and durable in my book. But the coils have been the only issue and the 4.6 works fine otherwise, I guess. I keep extra coils in the bed compartments now. Wife's car is a lot newer, but too small.
Have been hardly anywhere since last January, other than a lot of in state trips over the summer related to farm sale. IDK if it is the same everywhere, but here in all the small towns and rural areas people are living mostly normal. Different story in the immediate metro area. Even implement dealers in the metro area had limited access, have not been back as the environment felt too restrictive.
I got all remaining welding/grinding done and last of bare underside metal covered on my 57 by 4 AM this morning. Looks great under there, if I do say so myself. Cleaning up back garage now and then perhaps put on some seam sealer. Undercoating can wait til we are back from Florida, but the wood heated back garage will be unheated for the next month, so wanted the bare metal re-covered at least to prevent any flash rust.
So being you have been on the road quite a bit lately, got any pointers?
Thanks, Mike
I haven't had any issues finding hotel/motels so far in my travels. I tend to stay in Super 8, Quality Inn or Motel 6...usually for about 8-10 hours of sleep then back on the road. Prices have been below $100 but I think that is mostly due to the time of year, not really the Tourist season. West coast, being more socialist, seems to have more restrictions...further I go into the Mid-west less annoying.
I am back on the road now...sort of...only went from Port Angeles to Olympia tonight. Picking up a 428 for my Delivery along with a C-6. Then heading out for the real drive...hope to be home in Shell Knob within 3 days. Taking 40 to stay away from the snow in Montana & Wyoming.
No real suggestions...what you're doing seems smart to me...I'd stick with it. :003:
Quote from: 1930artdeco on 2021-01-24 21:41
I can't remember if the guy is here or on the HAMB but he has a 36(?) Chevy with a BB ford in it. He apparently gets lots of flack for it. Of course he loves it :003:
Mike
That guy would be me.....36 Chevy with a 351C/FMX. When asked about it I just say, "learned a long time ago cars don't float so no need to have a boat anchor in it!".
Quote from: Ford Blue blood on 2021-01-28 08:15
That guy would be me.....36 Chevy with a 351C/FMX. When asked about it I just say, "learned a long time ago cars don't float so no need to have a boat anchor in it!".
ROTFLMAO!!! :003:
Quote from: Ford Blue blood on 2021-01-28 08:15
That guy would be me.....36 Chevy with a 351C/FMX. When asked about it I just say, "learned a long time ago cars don't float so no need to have a boat anchor in it!".
I'm a big Cleveland fan and would love to see some pics!
Here ya go Joe......it was a junk yard 72 Ranchero engine/trans. No idea how many miles were on it in 74. Gave it a rattle can overhaul, put it on the road in 80 and now have 140K miles on it. Engine uses oil but don't leak or smoke (only on start up) and never fails to hit like it should.
I always thought that the 351C was a very sharp looking engine. Back in the 70s I owned 2 1970 351C Mustangs, a Grabber Orange 70 Sportsroof (fastback, non Mach 1), with a M code 351C 4 barrel , with a Shaker hood, and a bit later, a Grabber Green 70 Mach 1, also with the 300 HP 351C 4 barrel. Even back then, when 100 octane lead Premium gas was available, if you advanced the timing much, they tended to ping, with the 11.0-1 compression ratio. With the huge ports and valves, they were quite soft before 3000 RPM, but really pulled strong once you got to 3000. A buddy of mine that owns 1/2 dozen 57 Fords and Meteors still owns the 70 M code Grabber Green Sportsroof with a Shaker,that he bought new. And RMK57 has a 70 Boss 429, along with his 57. Seems that liking 69-70 Mustangs, and 57 Fords go hand in hand, at least in BC Canada!
Don't forget the Broncos! I think there's a few of us on here that own early Broncos. I did sell mine and kind of miss it. Sure was a fun and practical vehicle for bombing around in for the summer.
There used to be a drag car running out of Portland, a Vega station wagon running 10.90 Super Street.
Worked a Ford shop, had an FE in it, told everyone it was a 352.
T/F
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Quote from: FiveSevenLiter on 2021-02-01 12:07
There used to be a drag car running out of Portland, a Vega station wagon running 10.90 Super Street.
Worked a Ford shop, had an FE in it, told everyone it was a 352.
T/F
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That is a good racing buddy of mine, Gary Ericksen, who has been a FE racer since (at least) he bought his new 69 428CJ Mach 1, which he still owns, as well as a 69 Torino Talladega. He raced his Vega station wagon, with a Monza nose, from 1980, until a few years ago, with 428 & 390 FE power. He still has the Vega, but replaced it with a tube chassis Ford Probe, also with a FE under the hood. He has won NHRA points meets and National events with both the Vega and the Probe, in the 10.90 class, but the Probe has gone low 9s with the throttle stop turned off.
I wonder if that would be Howie Stevens old Probe.
Here's one I saw a couple weeks ago posted on the Hamb. Personally I wouldn't wasted such a great engine on a shoebox gm, but as they say it's your car and do what you want with it.
(https://i.imgur.com/juvLYWY.jpg)
Quote from: rmk57 on 2021-02-01 10:36
Don't forget the Broncos! I think there's a few of us on here that own early Broncos. I did sell mine and kind of miss it. Sure was a fun and practical vehicle for bombing around in for the summer.
Yup! '57 Ranch Wagons 351W, go well with a '70 Bronco 302W.
I have to laugh, nobody in the family can drive the Bronco, it still has a "three on the tree" shift. They have no problem with a clutch, no problem with a four speed on the floor (my wife had a '66 Mustang convertible GT with a T-10), but can't seem to figure out the column shifter. It's just more driving fun for me.
John
You'll guys will love this then, I built a 1970 351C with a big spline toploader behind it in my 1974 Ford Bronco.
(https://i.imgur.com/TJx4CMM.png)
Quote from: rmk57 on 2021-02-01 13:01
I wonder if that would be Howie Stevens old Probe. No, Randy, Howie sold his Probe to Grant Klohn in Victoria BC about 8 or 10 years ago, a Grant sold the Probe to John Webster, also from Vancouver Island 2 or 3 years ago. And when Howie bought it about 20 years ago, it came from California, from Comp racer Warren Pearson. The Probe Gary Ericksen has, with the FE, was built from scratch by Gary. It`s silver with black stripes. David Cook Sr. from California, raced a red Corvette with a 427 Ford FE in it, in Super Gas/Super Street.
(https://i.imgur.com/juvLYWY.jpg)
Man O man, you know everybody! I met Grant Klohn at Mission once. I think he had that big inch Windsor Turquoise 67 Fairlane. Beautiful and pretty fast also.
Quote from: rmk57 on 2021-02-01 17:03
Man O man, you know everybody! I met Grant Klohn at Mission once. I think he had that big inch Windsor Turquoise 67 Fairlane. Beautiful and pretty fast also.
That is a nice Fairlane.
Cobra Joe, Classic 70's paint job on your Bronco.
John
Quote from: rmk57 on 2021-02-01 17:03
Man O man, you know everybody! I met Grant Klohn at Mission once. I think he had that big inch Windsor Turquoise 67 Fairlane. Beautiful and pretty fast also.
Yes, Grant has owned his 67 Fairlane since high school, and I have raced with him for many years. He has had a variety of various stroker SB Fords under the hood, as well as several different transmissions, all manual 4 or 5 speeds. He has gone well into the 8s with the Fairlane, and after he bought Howies Probe, he changed it from the yellow it had been for about 20 years, to the same turquoise as the Fairlane. I think his best 1/4 miles with the Probe were in the 8.20ET range, all motor, small block Ford with a Liberty 5 speed.
9.37 dial-in ET.
The other cool item on this car is the license plates. I am sure there are some YouTube videos of the Fairland on the street.
T/F
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I have a '69 FB Pony car...but with the Windsor. Love that car. A friend re-built the motor for me...got carried away...and blueprinted it. It is all I have left other than memories...he died in '91 a week after my wife and I were married. Still miss him. When I get that car reassembled...gonna leave a long and strong rubber patch for him to look down at and smile over!
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