I'm in need of a pair of '63-'64 Galaxie 289 Motor Mounts and would like mounts that are made in USA. I don't want the made in China or made in India mounts, as everything you hear or read about them says they are JUNK.
Is there a source for USA made '63-'64 Galaxie 289 Motor Mounts?
Thanks
John
Sad to say, but it's almost next to impossible to find the country of origin on parts today, well, that is, untill they show up at your door. :iamwithstupid:
Even NOS would probably be better then the crap made today. Have you ever tried Green Sales?
http://www.greensalescompany.com
You might want to try galaxie parts places. I found this one. Not sure if the catalog is current. But worth a try ask where are the mounts from. https://budsclassiccars.com/wp-content/uploads/Buds%20Classic%20Car%20Catalog.pdf
https://budsclassiccars.com/wp-content/uploads/Buds%20Classic%20Car%20Catalog.pdf (https://budsclassiccars.com/wp-content/uploads/Buds%20Classic%20Car%20Catalog.pdf)
I run the same mounts on my Fairlane. But they are years old.
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2021-11-14 16:20
Even NOS would probably be better then the crap made today. Have you ever tried Green Sales?
http://www.greensalescompany.com
Very good suggestion.............I'll be in Cincinnati tomorrow!
Abe, I'll call Bud's tomorrow.........Thank you.
John
another problem with that is, that sometimes in an online shop a part is declared made in USA and when it shows up, it contains foreign stuff, but it may be called made in US if assembled in the US or some parts, or even only the box was made in the US.
I miss the good old real quality of the original parts !
my passport states differently, but in my heart I feel :unitedstates: .... :002:
Quote from: CobraJoe on 2021-11-14 16:19
Sad to say, but it's almost next to impossible to find the country of origin on parts today, well, that is, untill they show up at your door. :iamwithstupid:
I can't tell you how many guys on this site have helped me out over the years.. Can you post a picture of what they look like? I may have have a used set that have been laying around the shop for 25 - 30 + years, long before they were peddling the off shore bubble gum stuff.
John......for what it's worth........when I first installed the 4.6 dohc, I used Anchor motor mounts ('01 Mustang). They were first bought about 10 years ago(?). When I had to replace the engine several years ago, I ordered a new set of Anchors while I was waiting for the replacement motor to arrive from California. I just wanted to have everything I'd need ready. I went ahead and used the new set I bought, but to tell the truth, after I could really get a good close look at the old ones, I was amazed at how well they had held up, particularly the big rubber "cushion" that was molded into the mounts. Not a crack anywhere! So, my experience is obviously limited, but I wouldn't hesitate a minute to use Anchor again.
If you cant find US made mounts you could always do what Gasman suggested and drill a hole through the mount, then bolt it so it cant separate. It's not a bad idea.
In 1971, GM recall 6.8 million vehicles to install a mickey mouse cable around the upper control arm and up to the exhaust manifold to keep engines in place in the event the mount breaks.
http://gmtegirl.blogspot.com/2020/05/chevy-engine-mount-recall-65-69.html
All manufacturers immediately changed all engine mounts to some kind of fail safe mount in case the rubber let go. I immediately drilled and bolted every mount that I touched no matter stock or race car. Broken mounts were not that uncommon in pre '74 model cars. Millions of vehicles likely never had a broken mount. But, if that one was mine, I didn't want to suffer the damage because I was too lazy to bolt the mount. What, while you have the mount in hand, it takes 15 minutes and it can't hurt anything!
Thanks for the replies. I looked into the Anchor Brand motor mounts. They are listed on Amazon as " Country of Origin" United States.
That sounded good, but I wanted confirmation, so I called Anchor and spoke to someone that looked up the two Anchor numbers, 2220 and 2221 and he confirmed that these two mounts are made in their facility in Cleveland Ohio. The fella I spoke to went on to say that mounts for older cars such as ours are made stateside. Mounts for what he called "newer" cars are made overseas. He did not elaborate on what constitutes "Newer Cars"
So I ordered the mounts from Amazon, and they say they will be here Saturday or Monday. When I receive them I'll post again.
John
Two sets of Anchor mounts failed on my car....
Good luck I hope you get good ones. The Anchors for the 57 were so bad the engine would flop around and the exhaust would hit the cross member. but thats a old story I have told before.
My question just out of curiosity is the quality of the rubber regardless of were they are made.. Nothing made of rubber today seems to last very long. I can't even find decent rubber caps for the vacuum ports on my Holley carb, lucky to get a year out of them..
I should have been more specific when mentioning the '01 Mustang mounts. The 4.6 mounts were made for the GT and Cobra models, so probably were beefier than std. mount.
Agree on the drilling of the mounts. But you only need to do the left (driver's) side mount due to torque. Just a 3/8" bolt with a Nylox nut, just snug it up, and you can sleep at night. I'm sure launching the car at 5000 RPM from a stop light has nothing to do with this problem. We ran a short piece of welded chain from the block to the frame rail on the left side on our race car to relieve the pressure on the mount.
John
Jim, to the best of my knowledge it has something to do with plasticisers, the softening agent contained in rubber and plastic. either those have been changed or reduced for environmental or economical reason. I personally do not understand the logic behind that. if something only lasts for a fraction of the time it used to, it is no use to call it environmental friendly. If we need 5 sets of engine mounts in 20 years, instead of 1 good one. the production, shipment, replacement and disposal of 5 sets will definitely make it worse than keeping one good set for an extended period. This is some stuff that clearly sets our thinking apart from today's world. I just love good quality things that will last a long time. they make sense to me.
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2021-11-16 06:41
My question just out of curiosity is the quality of the rubber regardless of were they are made.. Nothing made of rubber today seems to last very long. I can't even find decent rubber caps for the vacuum ports on my Holley carb, lucky to get a year out of them..
WHAT? Common sense and government in the same sentence is an oxymoron!
Quote from: Ford Blue blood on 2021-11-17 08:30
WHAT? Common sense and government in the same sentence is an oxymoron!
X2 :003: and G is probably right, many of the chemicals that use to be used have been banned and replaced with tofu and soy sauce :005:
quote from John:"I'm sure launching the car at 5000 RPM from a stop light has nothing to do with this problem. "
I think John hit the nail on the head...........all this racing stuff, built up engines, trannies, rears..........but for the most part, we use motor mounts made for stock applications because nothing else is available.
let us know what you end up with. I may buy a few spares of some quality ones.
Parts makers are in it to make money, they also have to abide by rule sets, environment, wear testing. But only have to meet the min. reqs.
So if the part is made cheaper, its one of two things, need cheaper cost or have to have certain materials for rules.
Rubber can be made high quality but it would not make sense, because then you would lose that customer, right?
Inferior materials are cheaper too.
Place of manufacture has nothing to do with the quality in most cases, its what the specs the OEM Company building the part requests and pays for. Then passes it off to us as "good enough"
One thing you can guarantee, is to not expect much from brand names anymore. There are places in the States that will Revulcanize the rubber on odd broken mounts, but the price time and effort would be higher one-off custom USA prices.
I have worked for several different "internationally owned" companies during my pre-retirement working career. One thing I learned, the U.S. importer sets the quality standard based on the "price point" they want to meet. They can spec any item quality they want, but must pay accordingly . Unfortunately, the product managers usually buy the cheapest manufactured item offshore and then price it at the higher quality sourced part they are replacing. It's been called resourcing, and is completely profit driven. I spent 30 years in wholesale sales/distribution in the bicycle and motorcycle industries. The sourcing and quality parts problem with our rotten rubber motor mounts is wide spread across many different industries today.
John
Thats it in a nut shell. Thanks John. I'm trying to remember :old: but I think the mounts I bought to replace the Anchor were made in Mexico..
Well, I've been rather busy, plus I got a new computer and a new phone, which required this old dog to learn a few new tricks regarding photos and getting them downloaded and posted. My grandson showed me how to do it!
But here is the motor mount update. I purchased the mounts from Amazon, and as you can see in the photos below there is a Left and a Right, thus separate part numbers. And the sticker on the box says they are U.S.A made. Although I will not be "launching at 5,000 RPM's" I liked the idea of putting a bolt through the driver side mount and there are photos below.
I'll get the motor back in next week.
John
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Carbon black is an important strengthening additive for rubber, but it adds cost. For example, cheaper tires might have a 30,000 mile rating and costlier tires might be 60,000 mile rating. This is primarily due to carbon black content. I suspect that the motor mounts manufactured offshore probably have a reduced carbon black content which reduces the tensile strength. Prior to retiring earlier this year my employer had issues with elastomer products from India because they had a carbon black shortage due to import restrictions.
Quote from: Fairlane62 on 2021-12-29 11:24
Carbon black is an important strengthening additive for rubber, but it adds cost. For example, cheaper tires might have a 30,000 mile rating and costlier tires might be 60,000 mile rating. This is primarily due to carbon black content. I suspect that the motor mounts manufactured offshore probably have a reduced carbon black content which reduces the tensile strength. Prior to retiring earlier this year my employer had issues with elastomer products from India because they had a carbon black shortage due to import restrictions.
Thats interesting info for me, I'm no chemist. I always thought it was added for color DUH!!
Yes it adds the color, but it also improves tensile strength depending on concentration. Similar to alloying elements in steel.