I saw this on Ebay, couldn't help but do a comparison to my car. This one is a very thorough restoration, appears to be done right. The obvious reason for the comparison is the color and wheel choice, but that's where the similarities end. His is a much more traditional approach in almost everything, and probably more in line with most guys here have done. His wheels are the same as mine, btw, but mine are polished, his are the as-cast version.
What I was curious about is what the members here honestly felt about his drivetrain vs. mine. His is a 428 with C6, mine is the 4.6 dohc 4R70W. My thoughts regarding his vs mine is what the car was built for. Mine for many miles of roadtrips (54k so far), enough power, economical and reliable and readily repairable if needed on the road. So, my question to you guys is.......if you were building a car with my driveability requirements, would you consider a 428? Would it be more preferable than a 4.6 dohc? What kind of gas mileage would a car like that get? (mine low 20s). Could you do an oil check on a car like that and hop in it for a 1200 mile weekend?
Opps! forgot the link:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/234289267009?hash=item368cba8141%3Ag%3AZu0AAOSwckxhQ%7EkG&LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C1000%7C2500
Driving a 428 that many miles a day shouldn't be a problem at all, you would just be making more gas station stops.
Odd that they kept the vacuum wipers,when a Trico electric bolts right in
Cheers,John :canada:
overall, a very nice car, and not to knock it, but upon further look, I also have to wonder about some things not done on that car for the money asked. The listing says "no wipers", also does not have power steering, no power brakes (drums all around), no A/C, has original sway bar, no antennae, apparently has original glass and seals (closeup of windshield shows 80s sticker and cracked seal). With that said, the bodywork and paint look incredible. A closeup does show some rust-thru on the inner rocker. I'm seeing a lot of '57s in the 35-55k asking price range. That's why I was looking..comparing value. I have mine insured for 55k now, with fingers crossed nothing ever happens to it. I don't have another build in me, and I couldn't have mine built for twice that.
The Cobra-Jet would be more than capable of driving across the country but like hiball mentioned low teens on the highway and probably single digit mpg in the city with say a 3.50 rear gear.
If I were doing it over again (or won a lottery) I'd buy a crate 7.3 Godzilla with Tremec TR-4050 trans. With a couple tweaks your at 500+ hp and mileage should be somewhat better than the CJ.
I wonder if there would be enough vacuum to even run the wipers?
Rich, it does have disc brakes on the front and a disc/drum master cylinder. That price at a dealer I'm not surprised, actual value I would say is much lower, I would never pay that price. I don't like the trans cooler lines hanging down.
It appears to have a stock looking Ford disc brake swap. The floors also look like rust free original....amazing. Couple pinholes on the inside rocker but really rust free from what I can see.
I know sometimes pictures can be deceiving but this doesn't look good to me.
My 59 2 door sedan is likely a bit heavier than a 57 Custom series, and has a mild 428 Cobra Jet and 4 speed Toploader with 3.50 gears and 28" tall rear tires (275/60R15s). It revs around 2600 RPM at 60 MPH, and in normal driving gets between 10-12 MPG. It weighs 3750 pounds without anybody or anything in it. I have owned almost a dozen factory 428 cars, and have raced them for over 40 years, I would have absolutely zero concerns about driving a healthy 428 anywhere. In fact, one of my 69 428CJ Fairlane Cobras was a car that I bought in Southern California in 1992, that I flew down from Vancouver and drove the car back to BC with no big issues. That said, I doubt most guys with 60 year old cars, with big block engines, really pile up a lot of miles. My 59 has only gone a little over 3000 miles since I got it on the road in July 2020. Heck, I know several guys with cars from the 70s or newer that rarely go more than 200-300 miles a year. If I had plans for any long (200 or more miles each way), would swap out the 3.50s for the original 2.91s.
Exactly what I was wondering......normally an old big block car wouldn't be driven that much, and 10-12 mpg.......ouch! I can understand the attachment to them for you guys that have been it all your lives though. Cars built for different purposes, and I don't disagree driving a big block, high horsepower car lots and lots of miles would be more fun, just out of my pocketbook range.
Jim, yes, that pic you found definitely shows disc brakes....I could have sworn I was looking at a front drum rim....must have been a back wheel.
I'm curious what cars 428s came out of, there most certainly not all Cobra Jets, correct? Lincolns? Trucks? How would you know a Cobra Jet from a "normal" 428 with Cobra Jet valve covers?
428's were in a lot of cars. Thunderbirds, Big Fords, Mercs from 66-68 I believe. Certainly not Cobra Jets in those cars. Of course Mustangs, Cougars, Torinos, Cyclones. Hate to think of them coming out of those cars though.
Jim, that's what a 500ftpd+ FE does to those (sometimes) poorly welded 57 interloc frames.
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2021-11-27 11:20
I know sometimes pictures can be deceiving but this doesn't look good to me.
That internet clone of your car is neat, Rich, but I prefer the smooth rearend and polished wheels on yours.
Rich I think engine/transmission choice and build style is strictly "what floats your boat"! If you build a car for what others think or like it will never be "your car". If you build to a specific "style" that is hot (think Pro Street) you will build again in five years. If you build to "flip" everything gets an LS. The hi end guys build to the trends to attract the judges but do excellent work.
Your build was with a specific goal in mind, DRIVE. The new stuff offers several advantages over authentic. Parts availability any where in the U.S. Not sure there are many people that can claim the number of miles in a year as you so the car you built is doing exactly what you want it to do. I will add that your build was well executed!
To the folks that want to "thump" around the parking lot, good for them. To the folks the like the "patina" look, I'm real happy for them (although I think there car would look better shiny. To the rat crowd, find another place to "practice" your artistic talents. My interest in looking at a car is the craftsmanship and quality of execution
I like to brag my 36 Chevy with a junk yard 351C/FMX built in the 70s, put on the road in 1980, modified slightly over the years as a couple of components failed now has 147K miles on it. Made it's first NSRA Nationals in Minneapolis in 82 from Norfolk, VA and several trips to home (WI) from VA with the entire family on board. Made the 50th Nats from here with no issues. So Rich I'd say "You did well" with your build!
Rich, you have been in my car and I have driven yours! I 'm sure you'd agree the difference between yours and mine is night and day. My idea of what I want my car to be has evolved over time and I have added the power steering, the A/C and changed the rear from the 3.89 to 3.25 to make the car more usable. I have fought a clutch issue and more importantly the overheating thing and now I am in the process of converting to EFI (something I swore I would never do) in an effort to fix that. My wish list going forward includes overdrive and a lower gear. I am not sure I would do the FE thing again especially to the extent I have done the one I have. I am not a big fan of modern Ford engines though and I would perhaps build a large displacement Windsor motor. I personally think the eBay car is unfinished in a lot of ways and certainly not worth the asking price. Your car is a very nice cruiser and obviously a source of pride, enjoyment and practicality, it is perfect for what you do with it. That is what I am looking for my car to be maybe with a little more power.
quote from DJ: "that internet clone of your car is neat, Rich".........."clone"...exactly what I thought when I saw it being what appears to be a recent completion, but thought maybe that was "fat headed" of me, so I didn't use that term, but glad somebody else saw it that way as well.
Bill....well said. This has turned into a neat discussion.
Lynn.....exactly..I think I said as much when I got back from that Florida trip....that we both wished we had TWO cars, one like yours, and one like mine. LOL, I think though, if I had one like yours 20 years ago, I wouldn't be around today to celebrate my 75th birthday. Mine should be out of the shop tomorrow, and I'll probably take it on my traditional birthday self-celebration road trip. Not a long one, 500ish miles to my favorite casino in Oklahoma. I do have to fix a leaky heater hose before I go though....again!!
Rich, I think trying to compare your car to the Ebay one is like apples and oranges. Yours has quality and craftsmanship built in, Ebay one look more like something slopped together to flip.
We all have our own ideas what are cars should be. I've kept mine basically stock and simple turn key and drive it because I just like the feel of the old days 57s :003:
Jim, I think like you, if I wanted a fully loaded car with modern ammenities, I would just buy a new car. I like the fact that my 59 looks AND drives like a 60+ year old car. Yes, I have made some upgrades, front disc brakes, alternator, electronic ignition, plus the increased performance with the 428, 4 speed, and wider 15" radial tires, but I still want to know that I am driving something from years gone by. Maybe the manual steering and brakes, and slow (by modern car standards) steering with that huge skinny steering wheel, would be horrific to many people who have never driven anything older, than say, a 2000 model year car, but for me, its therapy that lets me unwind, and puts a smile on my face every time I go for a drive in it. As for modern cars having more reliable engines, maybe yes, maybe no, but even as a recently retired mechanic who worked at new car dealerships the last 34 years of my career, I must say that I would much rather have to diagnose and repair my old carburated, pushrod FE on the side of the road, than a modern computer controlled distributorless, EFI engine, like the V10 in my F350! I can have both heads off my 428 in less time than the single head on my wifes DOHC, EFI Toyota Corolla!
I agree with you totally. I'm non power disc brake, alternator, manual 58 steering box, 292 3sp OD, choose my own gears and no air and I can fix it on the side of the road if needed. It's my escape from todays world, just add music and drive :001:...
this has become a very interesting discussion and seeing how many ways there are to build and use these beautiful old Fords. Right on.
What I find very interesting in addition to that, is that there seems to be more than just the pattern of modern vs old or hi po against reliable everyday driver. I find that everything being said from Bill, Lynn, Jim, Rich, 59Meteor shows that it is a lot about pride in our work and our car, that we own for a long time. I think the dedication that goes into a certain vehicle and us making it ours, definitely is a highly underrated point in many builds. We have to agree that the ebay car does look very good and probably everyone here on the board would park it in his garage, but it lacks those refined labor-of-love details like Rich's Galaxie tail lights, the perfect stance ( from working and trying different springs) and the many small improvements that Rich has made on HIS car over the years, or had to work on because something wore out.
I believe that is what we call the soul of a car and what seems to be the common number in our statements. Just saying, what do I know... :003:
I really do agree with Jim for the most part and I don't like changing the nature of my '57. My original intent was to drive the car every day but I soon realized that the biggest issue in this climate as far as enjoying any car is having air conditioning. I added power steering at the same time almost as an after thought. The A/C added to an already large heat load and now I can't drive the car in the summer! Now I have given up on keeping the engine cool enough for the carburetor to work so hello fuel injection... I LOVE driving my car and I am determined to make it work even though it is morphing away from my original vision of a '60's sleeper.
When I saw the pic...I thought the same thing..."clone of Rich's"..shine those wheels up and from 20 feet away it would be just like yours.
I also think it is over priced for not being finished in a "ready to drive anywhere" fashion. If that thing is worth that much...then Rich's must be worth $10k more. Having ridden in Rich's...I can say it will "go anywhere"on a moments notice.
Quote from: 59meteor on 2021-11-28 09:56
, I must say that I would much rather have to diagnose and repair my old carburated, pushrod FE on the side of the road,
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When traveling and I see an old car sitting I stop to offer help. Of the many stops I have done not a single one was for a car equipped with EFI. Almost every stop the person driving the car had no idea of how to diagnose or even what went wrong. They had purchased the car, knew nothing of the build and were waiting on the tow to come. Almost every stop involved electrical issues, mostly bad grounds. Only one ignition problem, that one was the old HEI on a small block.
I've built two cars with a factory EFI system. Loved both as they would fire right up after setting for two to three months. Nice thing about the factory EFIs is the "limp home" mode they will go to if there is a major issue. Will I build another EFI car? Most likely as their reliability is second to none. Add to that the wife is really not happy if/when we are on the side of the road........
I would expect we all have different experiences. I never run across classics on the side of the road but that may be because most people here don't drive them on the hiway. I do pass broken down newer cars, for unknown reasons, every time I go on a road trip..
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2021-11-29 08:39
I would expect we all have different experiences. I never run across classics on the side of the road but that may be because most people here don't drive them on the hiway. I do pass broken down newer cars, for unknown reasons, every time I go on a road trip..
I gotta agree with that, obviously very are many more "modern" computer controlled vehicles on the road than old cars, so that does make sense. Nice thing with an older car, often you can make improvised temporary repairs to get you at least to a parts store or home, where if a sensor, ECM, dies during a trip, you are waiting for a tow truck. Another reason why I am not a big fan of these expensive aftermarket serpentine belt kits. If, say an alternator, PS pump, AC compressor was to fall apart or seize up, with multiple V belts, you can often remove the one belt running the failed part, and keep going for a while. On a serp. belt, one thing fails, including an idler that does not actually operate anything, you are dead in the water. And on many vehicles, even if you have a spare serpentine belt, you may need to remove a tire, or lift the vehicle up to replace it. Some of the Toyota trucks that I worked on at the dealership, had as many as 14 pulleys being driven by that single belt, and replacement of the belt was a chore even with the truck on a hoist after the skid plate and splash shield were removed. As an extra "bonus", Toyota elected to not but a belt routing diagram under the hood, so if the belt was broken, or fell off, would be all kinds of fun!
I would like to get a refund from AA for all the years I paid for towing that I have never used :003:
Love my old Fords :burnout:
Only time I had my 57 break down was when my Pertronix ignitor failed. Had to get it towed home. I guess I should have had a set of points and condenser in the glove box as a backup.
If you were building a car with my drivability requirements, would you consider a 428? Would it be more preferable than a 4.6 dohc? What kind of gas mileage would a car like that get? (mine low 20s). Could you do an oil check on a car like that and hop in it for a 1200 mile weekend?
To answer your question, if I were to do it again I would go 347 / 450 HP with a 5-speed, mostly to get weight off the front end. My FE gets 19 US gallons per mile with the 5-speed Tremec.
I am in full agreement with Rory regarding the therapy factor, big steering wheel, scouting the parking lot for the best escape spot, and I do not mind having to think while I am driving.
As far as comparing cars, I used to work with one of the top Ford salesmen in Canada and when someone would phone in and ask what their car was worth, he would tell them to hold it up to the phone so he could have a look at it. I wish I had a dollar for every time I have used that since.
Terry
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Quote from: FiveSevenLiter on 2021-11-29 16:19
If you were building a car with my drivability requirements, would you consider a 428? Would it be more preferable than a 4.6 dohc? What kind of gas mileage would a car like that get? (mine low 20s). Could you do an oil check on a car like that and hop in it for a 1200 mile weekend?
To answer your question, if I were to do it again I would go 347 / 450 HP with a 5-speed, mostly to get weight off the front end. My FE gets 19 US gallons per mile with the 5-speed Tremec.
I am in full agreement with Rory regarding the therapy factor, big steering wheel, scouting the parking lot for the best escape spot, and I do not mind having to think while I am driving.
As far as comparing cars, I used to work with one of the top Ford salesmen in Canada and when someone would phone in and ask what their car was worth, he would tell them to hold it up to the phone so he could have a look at it. I wish I had a dollar for every time I have used that since.
Terry
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That's not very good mileage Terry.
with all due respect...for an FE motor...19 mpg is pretty damn sweet. I am hoping to get that or maybe a bit better with my 390. Beats the hell out of the 13-14 mpg I used to get out of the old PI Interceptor that was in it originally.
JMHO...
19 with a FE sounds good to me, I can't get that with my Y block 17-18 max, but I have gearing not suited to gas mileage.
I kind of meant it as a joke. You need to re-read the miles per gallon or gallons per mile typo error. Yes 19 mpg is quite good for a 406 tri-power FE.
That is with 3.90:1 gears, going from Abbotsford to Osoyoos, and having some fun doing it.
Terry
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I have lived the old/new thing. My Boss 302 was the standard factory hot rod, 4-speed, 3.90 T-Lock The Boss was rated oat 290 HP, really close to 380+, gave 16 MPG running easy at 3000 RPM (60 MPH). Manual steering, power brakes and an AM/FM radio. Was my primary transportation for four years.
Years later a 2008 Shelby GT500, 510 HP (dyno run), power steering, power brakes, air conditioning, AM/FM radio. Solid 21 MPG at 2150 RPM (75 - 80 MPH). Easy to drive in heavy traffic, the Boss was a hand full. It does ride harder then the Boss did. The air makes it comfortable year round.
If I could I would have both, to chose one now as primary transportation the Shelby wins hands down as it out performs the Boss in every respect. So to build an old car with modern EFI drive train is my choice now. Would be different if I was still young and bullet proof!
Did my roadtrip in the Subaru Sunday, got back yesterday in time to get the '57 out of the shop. Josh thinks the steering wheel position issue is taken care of now, so we'll see. I've got a leaky heater hose I need to take care of before I take it anywhere.
We've had a policy here of not knocking other peoples cars, and I just want to make sure everyone knows that wasn't my intent with comparing my car to the Ebay one. I in fact think that car was well done, it just seemed to follow the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" rule. I mentioned the windshield and seal, but in the pics, all the glass looks great, so OK it was left. I should have mentioned it did seem to have a new body mount kit. There certainly is nothing wrong with building a car to flip, as long as it's done right, and this car seems to be. We just can't know for sure, but I just don't think your gonna find the gobs of body filler under the paint on this one that comes up so frequently when guys discover what they bought. This car just hasn't had unlimited amounts of money thrown at it, probably the best way to build a car for sale. You see a lot of cars with new paint jobs that you really wonder what is under the paint. I don't get that feeling with this one.
Seeing what they are asking, I've been trying to figure out what mine is worth, so honestly, the main reason for the comparison.
Quote from: RICH MUISE on 2021-11-30 09:53
Seeing what they are asking, I've been trying to figure out what mine is worth, so honestly, the main reason for the comparison.
I'll stick with my assessment that yours is probably worth another $10k over that one. JMHO!
The day I bought my Boss 429 I had to drive a 230 mile trip from Merritt B.C. to Vancouver. I topped off the tank in Merritt, then headed out, by the time I got to Hope (140 miles) I had around a
quarter tank left with another 90 miles to go. No way I was going to make it home so had to fill up again in Hope. It has a 22 gallon tank but I doubt you could drive 220 miles. The car does have
4.30 rear gears so those certainly weren't helping. I'm pretty sure my F-350 diesel loaded with the camper gets better mileage.
Just took the '57 out for 10 miles or so to check the heater hose. Either it fixed itself, or my mechanic fixed it.....so far anyway. First indication is the steering issue has been resolved. Steering wheel is centered now on a no-crowned road. I'll put it through some paces later today for a final check. I'm guessing Josh felt he missed the loose upper control arm when he found all that other loose stuff, only charged 35. for replacing the bolt and shims and realignment! good guy.
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Quote from: mustang6984 on 2021-11-30 10:01
I'll stick with my assessment that yours is probably worth another $10k over that one. JMHO!
Yeah, at least I would think. Soooo many subtle things that go unnoticed. let's talk about the previous mentioned items regarding cost/value:
1............ His is what appears to be original steering/suspension. Mine is rack and pinion with power. Dropped spindles, hd sway bar, new springs, steering column w/ tilt,
2............his, manual brakes (disc/drum). Mine is 4 wheel disc, power by Mustang hydroboost
3...........his, no antennae/radio? mine power antennae controlled auto or manual, radio is marine Kenwood unit w/ Bluetooth, 4 sony speakers, microphone
4...........his non-working vacumn wipers. Mine multi-speed (Mustang) electric wiper motor with variable speed intermittent positions, custom built hard arm system.
5........no A/c on his.......Mine has Vintage Air gen IV, new compressor, braided ss lines.
I could go on and on.......power windows, nos door latches, all glass, glass runs, glass seals, etc etc. My point is sooo many subtle things that add to cost/value. Look, mine was not a high dollar built. It was budget all the way.....drivetrain from donor car. Seats from salvage yard (no upholstery shop involved at ant time). Many components from non-57 salvage yards. Only thing not budgeted was my labor, lol, call it a love of labor build.
Anyway, how do you figure the value of something like that? I've had enough people offer to buy that I know someday I'll re-run into guys that would make an offer I couldn't refuse.
and, btw, thank you guys for the nice compliments.
I guess when it comes time to sell you have to find a buyer who appreciates all the add-ons and their intended use of the car. I don't mean new glass, window felts and such but A/C, power everything, rack and pinion and so on. It's not for everyone.
My 57 is the polar opposite of yours, mine doesn't even have a heater. I only ever drive it 20-30 miles at the most to local car events and if I ever decide to go to Hot August Nights in Reno I'd tow it. Definitely not as long distance friendly as yours (I wear earplugs if I have to drive it more than 20 miles) but I wouldn't change a thing on it. Depends on the the owners vision of the perfect 57 as far as value I think. I have two people locally that are interested in mine if I ever decide to sell.
I agree, different strokes for different folks. With my 59, I built it the way that I would have in the 1970s, if I would have been able to afford the parts and had the free time. I wanted a bares bones, street racer "sleeper" type of car , like my buddys old 66 Hemi 4 speed Belvedere 1 2 door sedan, that had manual steering and brakes, no radio, rubber floor covering, and dog dish hubcaps. That look and raw functionality has always appealed to me, likely why I always prefered the 57 Custom 2 door sedans over the fancier Fairlane and 500s. All personal preference. I am considering a 5 speed overdrive transmission eventually to make freeway trips more pleasant, I could just put the taller 2.91 gears in the rearend, but I refuse to live with the loss of performance. I really dont care that I could buy a stock late model Mustang that would run quicker at the dragstrip, obviously runs circles around my 59 in the corners, out brake it, be more comfortable, and get double the gas mileage, Then I would just be another guy with a late model Mustang. I personally get much more satisfaction driving something that I built from scratch from a vision in my head . I see a lot of older guys around my area, that buy a car already done, and there is always something (paint, interior, engine, suspension etc), that they would have done differently, but unlike maybe wheels and tires, will never change to suit their own taste. Pretty much any EBay, bringatrailer, craigslist, or any other sales media car is like that to me. Same as buying a new car, I never buy what is on the lot, I would rather place a factory order, and wait the 2 months or so to get exactly what I want, rather than pay extra for package groups or options, that I dont want, or need, or settle for a different color or trim level. Maybe if you change cars every couple of years, it wouldnt be a big deal, but as someone who tends to keep my vehicles long term, not I like what I like. I know a few Ford guys, who have bought finished street rods, with belly button (chevy) engines, and just live with that. I would have that orange lump hanging from a chain as soon as I got the car home, assuming the seller wouldnt sell it less engine and transmission.A lot of people who build cars just to flip, tend to go cheap on a lot of stuff, to make maximum profit, or speed up the build, which is fine if you dont care that your new toy has a 305 and Turbo 350 trans from a rusted Chevy Van, or you have Walmart tires on bargain basement wheels, and a $15.00 tach and gauges .
I absolutely can see the appeal. When I unexpectedly ran across my '57 (late father-in-law's), I picked it up just cause my wife and I always wanted a 50-60s cruiser. Honestly, I didn't care about brands, etc.......just had to like the looks. After sitting in my driveway in Colorado for 4 years, I drove it as my DD for a year, just cause I was tired of car payments. Had a ball in it..6 cyl, 3 on the tree, 100 miles per gallon (of oil), etc. Even when I moved to Texas and started working on it, I was going to keep it a driver while I "fixed it up". Then I started going to car shows, swap meets, etc. At the tri-state swap meet in Denver, in the car corral was a '57 2 dr Custom that had received the full body-off treatment. I kept looking and looking, and everywhere I looked all I could see was new and shiny. I knew after that I was never going to be happy until mine was like that. I started disassemling that week..and 10 1/2 years later, lol.....
If I had the expertise/knowledge/experience etc etc that many of you guys have, I probably would have gone the drivetrain route you all did, but I don't have that know-how, so I opted for the more dependable route, as far as drivetrain, and to be honest, performance has always been appreciated by me, but it just takes a back seat to appearance/looks. With that said, I'm definitely not the trailer queen type.
Also, not mentioned..these computer-controlled cars may be somewhat of a mystery, but they also come with an in-house mechanic of sorts in the form of a plug connector for a diagnostic code reader.....I like a car that tells you what's wrong with it. Very helpful for us non-wizards.
This is not a discussion we'd be having on the Hamb!!
My '57 started out as something to bounce around in. I patched it back together and worked on it until it was reliable. Then...some upgrades. I was driving it regularly and got cocky enough to drive out of state...several states with HOT ROD Power Tour. The PIC is Amy and I leaving for the 1st day of Power Tour with plenty of rust, dents, primer, different colors, couple of Thunderbird seats, and NO spare.
Then, I got to running with a bad crowd...Power Tour people.
Comments from people that liked the car...'it just needs a little paint'.
Hey...it had sexy wheels! And it ran...go man go!!!
I liked the 'just pulled out of the weeds' look. I didn't think the comments bothered me but a couple months later, I blasted that car. Twelve years later and it's too nice to drive. I've put a couple hundred miles on it this summer. I'll eventually get used to it. So the last 12 years I've been driving the Raunch Wagon and I was never going to paint it short of an occasional spot repair. The new owner, Trev of New Zealand, recently painted the wagon.
Quote from: mustang6984 on 2021-11-30 20:36
Hey...it had sexy wheels! And it ran...go man go!!!
A little late with the advice. Sometime during the last 12 years, I came to the same conclusion.
LOL!!!