As the body shop tears down our car from the deer accident, they are finding more parts they need. Behind the head light bucket there is a curved bracket on each side that the bucket screws into. I have attached a couple of photos. The bracket is missing on one side of the bucket. Does anyone have one or know where I can get one? Secondly, I could use a passenger side headlight bucket. I have not been able to find them in any of my catalogs. Mine is bent and it was sand blasted at one time and the metal is pretty thin. Any leads would be appreciated.
That actually the bracket that holds the eyebrow trim in. From the rear. You hardly see those come up.
I think I have suggested a seller from eBay for parts.
This in case you don't get any hits year
seller:forthebeachonly 1957
Reasonable prices but you have to be specific with the parts you need.
It's also better to have a good list to save on shipping and maybe buy a whole lot at a time.
Thank you
The headlight buckets do not "screw into" those brackets. They are spacers for the eyebrow only, and are actually not needed if you can't find one.
I couldn't find good headlight buckets to replace my badly rusted ones (other members said they had no problem finding some), so I came up with a way to repair. I may have a thread here....I'll look. Anway, the repair I did maybe 8 years ago, and I had a good look at them just a few months ago when trying to align my front sheetmetal, and they still look perfect. I can lead you thru the repair if you want................no metal work/welding involved.
I have extra headlight buckets, cleaned & painted you can have one just for shiping. If you want one send me your contact info and we can go from there. Take care, Alvin
Good for you Alvin!! I believe left and right are different, correct?
The only difference is the length of the pig tail, which can be swapped side for side.
Alvin, WOW! Thank you. I sent you an email with my shipping information
The 'HEADLAMP BUCKETS' were serviced only in the HDL ASSY B7A 13008-C.
The FDR MLDG (RS) is B7A 16074-A.
The MLDG RETAINER (RS) is B7A 16086-A
Thank you for the diagrams
Headlight bucket offer didn't work out. I still need one head light bucket. Does anyone have solid one they can part with? Please let me know.
As mentioned earlier..the left and right are different. Thanks for the diagram, Kultulz...it refreshed my memory. You can't just rotate the bucket 180*, because it puts the mounting clips for the bezels up-side-down.
Why would you need to rotate the bucket? to swap side to side, I still think the only difference is the length of the wire pig tail. The short one goes on the driver side and the longer one goes on the pass. side. Just like the diagram shows the only left and right are the pig tails because of the length. I might have a couple of extra, Ill double check to see if I'm right.
Well, I was wrong. The openings on the fenders are shaped different where the bucket goes in, so there is a right and a left.
Quote from: 57chero on 2021-12-22 17:43
Well, I was wrong. The openings on the fenders are shaped different where the bucket goes in, so there is a right and a left.
Don't feel like the
LONE STRANGER as the MPC lied to me and I fell for it ... :-\
I see now what is being described -
The PN I gave was from the 1949/1959 PASS CAR MPC - FINAL ISSUE (1964).
There was much info deleted as cataloging progressed and this seems to be one or a misprint.
I am buying (hopefully) an original 1955/57 FORD CHASSIS CATALOG that will have more exact listings. I will be back on this.
Sorry about that ...
One more ATTACHMENT -
Possible take-offs here - https://www.ebay.com/itm/154680195529?hash=item2403a879c9:g:R9UAAOSwJcxcljq6
Wondering ...
Any luck yet?
Below is a photo of take-outs and you can see the differences. I guess it is a mis-print in the MPC -
Quote from: KULTULZ on 2021-12-26 10:14
One more ATTACHMENT -
So, did Ford actually offer factory "patch panels"? I have a factory 58/59 Body and Collision Manual, I see that there were replacement rocker panels available, but never noticed lower fender and caps for the front of the fenders. Interesting that they show the front fender cap listed as "58/58 Ford", when they are very different from for either year. Anybody know if Ford would have had an "anti perforation" warranty against rust thru back in the late 50sÉ If so, I wonder if these fender patch panels would be installed on cars with rusty fenders, that were still fairly new.
Many of the early patch panels were designed to go over the damaged area, not replace it. Did my Dad's 55 chevy convert that way @ the headlights.
Quote from: 59meteor on 2022-01-05 19:28
So, did Ford actually offer factory "patch panels"? I have a factory 58/59 Body and Collision Manual, I see that there were replacement rocker panels available, but never noticed lower fender and caps for the front of the fenders. Interesting that they show the front fender cap listed as "58/58 Ford", when they are very different from for either year. Anybody know if Ford would have had an "anti perforation" warranty against rust thru back in the late 50sÉ If so, I wonder if these fender patch panels would be installed on cars with rusty fenders, that were still fairly new.
Yes. The ILL's I showed are from the MPC. There were also quarter panel repair sections available. Rocker panels and flooring were regular service replacement items.
These were designed to replace rusted/damaged sheet metal. Rust is like cancer, it has to be cut out or it still keeps going
1957-58-59 are differentiated.
OK... (And I Realize This Is An Older Thread) ...
Both HDLS are the same (L&R). The fender extensions (OEM) have the same bucket mounting pattern (L&R)-
To Wit -
FENDER EXTENSIONS _1 - 1957 FORD HDL PANELS.jpg
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(DONATED IN ABSENTIA BY JEFF NORWELL) -
For whatever reason, a REPRO FDR EXT(s) is reverse stamped -
FENDER REPAIR PANEL (HDL) - 1957 FORD - L & R (REPRO).png
Maybe this is the cause of confusion?
The pictured headlight repair panels are not NOS...they are aftermarket. NOS had the holes drilled for the headlight buckets and had Ford part numbers stenciled with yellow paint. I bought some NOS rocker repair panels from the dealership where I worked. There were two different styles: one slip-on used for warrantee work and the other OEM rocker for customer pay insurance work.
Quote from: gasman826 on 2022-10-08 17:14The pictured headlight repair panels are not NOS...they are aftermarket.
... hmmph ... I am pretty sure I indicated that ...
QuoteFor whatever reason, a REPRO FDR EXT(s) is reverse stamped
EDIT -
The reason I posted the photo of the repros is if anyone comes across this in the future, the car may have repro FDR EXTENSIONS rather than original factory or correct service replacements.
Now I understand why FORD used the same HDL ASSY(s) right and left.
I saw the picture of the aftermarket "pair" on eBay. That is one photograph of the left panel. The "right" is the same photo that is reversed. I bet the actual stampings are correct...?
Good catch Lynn.
You know something? I noticed that also but it didn't dawn on me.
THANX! for the wake-up call ... :006:
Well, I am still confused (admittingly it doesn't take much) ...
Quote from: 57chero on 2021-12-22 17:43POST #13 -
Well, I was wrong. The openings on the fenders are shaped different where the bucket goes in, so there is a right and a left.
And Then -
Quote from: KULTULZ on 2022-01-05 17:47POST #19 -
Below is a photo of take-outs and you can see the differences. I guess it is a mis-print in the MPC.
(https://57fordsforever.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=33711;image)
On 2nd look, both assemblies are the same if you orientate them correctly.
So why all the confusion in the first posts in this thread?
Gasman is correct, the ones i purchased from James were NOS with yellow paint stencils also:
(https://i.imgur.com/ECZrSOh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/fhSU7Ej.jpg)
I don't understand.
The photos I posted were called out as REPRO. This is where the confusion is, not if OEM SERVICE REPLACEMENT or REPRODUCTION. If you have the OEM photos, needed is a front shot of both. They will be the same as the '57 front clip photo I posted.
Did you ever get rid of the QUADRI-BEAMS on your '57?
Yes I did:
(https://i.imgur.com/gYN1geF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/e8GaETQ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9wOqrFo.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/8fycTY5.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/cbsh04m.jpg)
Are you happy with the new look? I see you went with the OEM grille/park lamps also.
Were you able to ID any of the HDL take-off parts as whether to factory parts or an aftermarket kit?
Joe, although the dual hl and straight tube grille looked good, as you bought it, the original design was much better..............exactly why, even with all the mods on my car, I left the headlights and grille as-is. Good for you on going back.
Am I noticing a shortening of the headlight rings? That is one mod I do like.
BTW, you were really lucky to have found the nos headlight surrounds. Using the repros, even EMS, is a ton more work.
QuoteAm I noticing a shortening of the headlight rings? That is one mod I do like.
That is the one thing I hated about the '57, bug eyes.
The '56 pickup mod with the trim rings even look worse (to me).
Very happy with the results and I only bought the car because of it's condition and the rear bumper mod all along planning on changing it back to single headlights.
Yes, I found a FOMOCO part # and it looks like '58 headlights... :puke:
(https://i.imgur.com/cjIBorz.jpg?2)
...and no, I did not shorten up the rings.
Quote from: CobraJoe on 2022-10-10 16:50Very happy with the results and I only bought the car because of it's condition and the rear bumper mod all along planning on changing it back to single headlights.
Yes, I found a FOMOCO part # and it looks like '58 headlights... :puke:
(https://i.imgur.com/cjIBorz.jpg?2)
Isn't that something, mounting 58 HDLS on a '57. It looked factory, but not that much different from the aftermarket kits available then.
Does it look like he used a 58 FORD FDR EXT on the 57 FORD FDR and then used the 58 HDLS?
FDR EXT - 1957 & 58 FORD.png
HDL ASSY - 1958 FORD.png
Glad it turned out nice for you ...
Thank you and Negative on the fender extension; he cut and modified the original '57 Buckets:
As far as under the headlights, it's all the original Sheet metal. The interior was reworked to accommodate the 58 lights, the round headlight part was cut out and they filled the gap in between with sheet metal, keeping the lower body line original:
(https://i.imgur.com/VPZGxr3.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/2DuwIrw.jpg)
I feel like I'm stealing this thread, so most of the info from my conversion can be found here, staring at post # 2698:
https://57fordsforever.com/smf/index.php?topic=4578.2685
Ford made the buckets the same, they just used different pigtails.
Ron.