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Title: A/C pics needed
Post by: 1930artdeco on 2022-04-29 18:01
Hi All,

Can those who have A/C in there cars please post some pics of the compressor and routing. I am starting to add things to the engine and cannot for the life of me figure out how they hung the compressor and routed the tubing.

Thanks,

Mike
Title: Re: A/C pics needed
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2022-04-29 19:31
The way you've asked the question makes me wonder if you meant condenser? The "how they hung the compressor" would depend on the engine being used
Title: Re: A/C pics needed
Post by: SkylinerRon on 2022-05-01 21:19
Which compressor are you trying to use?  Stock 57 cast iron or aftermarket aluminum? There are at least 3 different mounting styles for the Y-Block. A pic of all the parts you have would help.

Ron.
Title: Re: A/C pics needed
Post by: 1930artdeco on 2022-05-02 18:00
Right now I don't have any parts for the AC system other than the under dash unit. I am going to use an aftermarket system eventually and the only spot I really have to put the compressor is above the gen (312 Y block). The condenser I think is hung in front of the radiator since there are two holes in the rad support to the left of the radiator. So I a, trying to picture the bracket for the compressor and tubing. Although I think the tube routing will be really complicated. I will try and post a few pics of where I think things will go.

Mike
Title: Re: A/C pics needed
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2022-05-02 18:36
Don't know about the compressor routing on a Y-block, but the condenser doesn't have a lot of room available for the tubing runs. That's one reason why I changed out my hood springs for hydraulic lifts. Doing that eliminates the bar that would normally ride inside the spring, so nothing protrudes below the sheetmetal hinge housing. I think iirc, Vintage air makes a right angle fitting for coming off the condenser and keeping it close. Not much you can do IMHO planning-wise until all the major components are in place. For all of the tubing runs, I used 'em all! some rubber (off the compressor), some aluminum (from vintage air, for condenser area), and some braided ss Aeroquip for inside the engine compartment.
Title: Re: A/C pics needed
Post by: Marc on 2022-05-03 08:40
Here are some screenshots from the parts catalog that might help you out.
Title: Re: A/C pics needed
Post by: Marc on 2022-05-03 08:40
And 1 more:
Title: Re: A/C pics needed
Post by: 1930artdeco on 2022-05-03 18:13
The more I look at those scans by MARC, the more worried I get about making a bowl of spaghetti with this AC system. I am going to have tubing going every which way. Oh well, It will happen.

Mike 
Title: Re: A/C pics needed
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2022-05-04 08:18
Yeah, way back when.......I was working on all the A/C lines, making the loop from the compressor to condenser to dryer to evaporator, and my brakes with all the plumbing between the power steering pump, hydroboost, rack, and then the heater hoses, and my 4.6's unusual radiator hose setup with 4 hoses, I thought it would never end. It took longer to do all the plumbing than it did the wiring with the 90-something wires to the computer! Also, as Gasman told me once, it is the most overlooked cost when figuring a build estimate.
Title: Re: A/C pics needed
Post by: Jeff Norwell on 2022-05-05 10:51
Have you spoken with the guys at Vintage Air?.... not sure if you are wanting to stick to original .... but Mr Love has the complete unit for your 57.
great guys with tons of tech help.
Title: Re: A/C pics needed
Post by: 1930artdeco on 2022-05-05 15:47
Not yet. I will eventually but things are on hold right now.

Mike
Title: Re: A/C pics needed
Post by: lalessi1 on 2022-05-05 16:05
I used a system of "my own design" mostly with Vintage Air components. The most important decision I made was to use a Aeroquip/Eaton hose system that Vintage Air offers as a kit but that can be purchased directly in pieces from other suppliers. The beauty of these hoses and fittings is they are smaller in OD and much more flexible than standard A/C hoses plus they can be cut and put together VERY EASILY! I routed mine through the inner fenders. I didn't remove the fenders but you can easily run them into the interior where the cowl drains are if you do. The pressure side of the compressor goes through the inner fender and through the top of the air deflector plate behind the grill. The drier is mounted behind the grill next to the condenser and the drier outlet goes through the top of the other air deflector through the back of the inner fender to the firewall bulkhead connector to the evaporator. The return to compressor runs through the bulkhead and along the firewall below the wiper motor back to the compressor. I used a Mark IV Vintage Air evaporator. My car does have an FE and the compressor is on the upper left hand side of the engine. I can furnish as much or as little info as you (Lol). I tried to take a couple of pics but most didn't make much sense. I did remove the heater in my car though and all A/C holes are in the block off plate for the heater. I HATE drilling holes in my car! You can literally run all the lines and almost see NONE of them except for the couple connected to the compressor. Questions?
Title: Re: A/C pics needed
Post by: gasman826 on 2022-05-05 19:20
As others have said, Vintage Air makes Y-Block AC brackets.
Title: Re: A/C pics needed
Post by: 1930artdeco on 2022-05-09 15:40
Ok, was finally able to get pics of eng bay for location purposes. I am planning to put the compressor above the gen at this point. You can see the holes in rad support for the condenser. The holes for the evaporator on the fire wall are just above the throttle linkage. Either way the plumbing will end being interesting.

Mike
Title: Re: A/C pics needed
Post by: gasman826 on 2022-05-09 16:17
Now would be a good time to upgrade to an alternator!
Title: Re: A/C pics needed
Post by: 1930artdeco on 2022-05-09 17:25
A power gen is on the horizon.
Title: Re: A/C pics needed
Post by: cokefirst on 2022-05-10 13:15
I have Power Gens on almost all of my cars (6 out of 7).  They are pricey but I like the near original look of the unit.  You can get more for your money going with a modern alternator, but I like my cars to look factory if at all possible. 

I have a 1957 Skyliner with Select Air.  The unit came out of a 1957 Ford wagon and is unusual.  Everything matches the factory installation with the exception of the compressor.  Instead of being mounted vertically above the generator, the compressor mounts horizontally above the power steering pump.  The bracket is obviously a factory made unit as the ones I have seen for the ARA an other aftermarket units have the appearance of being made by hand.
Title: Re: A/C pics needed
Post by: SkylinerRon on 2022-05-15 00:19
Are you using an aluminum or iron compressor?

Ron.
Title: Re: A/C pics needed
Post by: cokefirst on 2022-05-23 20:06
It is a cast iron compressor.  I can take a photo of the installation if you like.
Title: Re: A/C pics needed
Post by: SkylinerRon on 2022-05-24 00:44
Pics would be great. I am trying to sort out and document all the available installs for 57's.

Ron.
Title: Re: A/C pics needed
Post by: cokefirst on 2022-05-31 12:02
57Selectaire1.jpg57Selectaire2l.jpg

Here are two photos of my engine bay.  NOTE, this has an unusual position for the compressor.  Everything else is like the book.  I have no idea why this one is different.  I took this off a 1957 station wagon. 
Title: Re: A/C pics needed
Post by: cokefirst on 2022-05-31 12:04
57Selectaire3.jpg57Selectaire4.jpg
Here are two more photos.  let me know if you want more shots.  Dan 
Title: Re: A/C pics needed
Post by: SkylinerRon on 2022-06-01 16:56
That compressor looks like an early-mid 60's York style. This is the first one i've seen with this compressor style and and a 57 a/c/heater fan housing.

Ron.
Title: Re: A/C pics needed
Post by: terry_208 on 2022-06-01 22:08
Is it possible to get pictures of the brackets supporting both the compressor and the ps pump?
Title: Re: A/C pics needed
Post by: KULTULZ on 2022-06-02 02:35
THE AC COMP INSTALL shown above is 1958-62 FYB.

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Quote from: terry_208 on 2022-06-01 22:08Is it possible to get pictures of the brackets supporting both the compressor and the ps pump?

The AC COMP is MTD on a plate (2882)

The PS PUMP (EATON) is mounted with three separate brackets - 3562 - 3C511 - 3A732

PS-AC MTG _2 - 1958- FYB.png

PS-AC MTG _1 - 1957- FYB.png
Title: Re: A/C pics needed
Post by: SkylinerRon on 2022-06-04 22:48
When Ford changed from the 55-early 58 style compressor to the York style in mid 58 they had to mount it on the top left of the Y-Block. FE's are all top left mount.

Ron.
Title: Re: A/C pics needed
Post by: cokefirst on 2022-06-10 23:00
The mount is exactly like the 58 set up.  What is odd is that the 58 uses the defroster area outlets are the 1957 style as the Selectaire for 1958 uses a unit that hangs below the dash to distribute the cold air. 
Title: Re: A/C pics needed
Post by: SkylinerRon on 2022-06-11 01:43
Ford sold an A/C unit called Polarair that was a box under the dash.
All the Selectairs that I've seen have been in dash with the old style compressor mounted by the generator.
We're on the east coast so we didn't see hardly any factory A/C units back in the day. I got real lucky and found a parts car with a complete factory Selectair.

Ron.
Title: Re: A/C pics needed
Post by: cokefirst on 2022-06-12 11:32
Yes, the Polar air was an underdash unit.  The Selectaire for 1955-1956-1957 was an integrated unit that came out of the dash however the Selectaire for 1958-1964 the Selectaire was an underdash outlet.  The Selectaire was again put into the dash in 1965