test fitting a 1995 4cam in a 57 ranchero.used 02 mustang motor mounts,01 cobra exhaust manifolds,95 continental oil pan,98 crown vic oil filter adapter,fits well, exhaust manifolds fit under upper control arm mounts,stock rad should work with thermostat housing swap to a 3L taurus 4cam one. stock trans mount looks like it will work with a redrill of the mount holes.the trans crossmember can be left in the stock location,clears the fire wall and heater box.a 59 steering box fits.the stock frame motor mount brackets need to be drilled about a inch forward of the stock holes.tryed to download some pictures,but did not work.will try tonight
I am looking forward to some pics! This sounds very similar to the combination I want to put in my 58 Fairlane!
interested in pics also. any clearance problems with the upper control arms?
you need to swap the upper control arm bolts around,put the long nuts on the inside.the ears beside the bolts need to be bent in on the drivers side,the rear one on the pass side needs to be cut and moved in
here are some pictures
some more
the engine is moved back about a inch after these pictures were taken.the rad is the lincoln rad,but am using the 57 one.will take some more pictures of the other changes
That's going to be so awesome. That small block engine can sure fill an engine compartment. What is the engine out of, and what is the tranny? Hard to tell from the photo, what's your guess on if there'd be room for an 8" dual booster on the master cylinder. Keep us up on your progress. thanks rich
Looks to be a 4.6 4v from a Lincoln Mark VIII, I believe. Those things look awesome. My dad put a 2004 Mach 1 engine in his `63 Falcon, and it hauls. Only real difference between it and the Lincoln motor is the intake. Great info there, Ranchero...keep us updated with photos and other fitment issues...
Great Pic's and information :canada:n Ranchero :001:!!! This is exactly the setup I was looking to use in my 58 Fairlane. My engine/trans combination is out of a 93 Mark VIII with 49K. I too was going to try using Cobra exhaust manifolds (off a 97), 2000 Cobra engine mounts. Instead of using the stock intake I was planning on using an intake off a 96 cobra. It looks tight but very cool! PLEASE keep us informed as to your progress and Have a Great Day.
to answer some of your questions.the engine and trans are out of a 95 mark viii,for a booster i have test fitted a hydrovac out of a 02 mustang gt,seens to fit good,looks like no room for a vacuum booster.am working on the shift linkage.looks like will need to change shifter arm on trans.will keep you posted
there is only about 2in of clearance above the alternator to the hood.i do not think the cobra intake will clear the hood.also i am told the lincoln intake makes more low end torque and works better if you are using a automatic trans
I thought my engine bay was full.That's wall to wall motor right there.Very Cool!
Quote from: canadian_ranchero on 2010-04-16 21:08
test fitting a 1995 4cam in a 57 ranchero.used 02 mustang motor mounts,01 cobra exhaust manifolds,95 continental oil pan,98 crown vic oil filter adapter,fits well, exhaust manifolds fit under upper control arm mounts,stock rad should work with thermostat housing swap to a 3L taurus 4cam one. stock trans mount looks like it will work with a redrill of the mount holes.the trans crossmember can be left in the stock location,clears the fire wall and heater box.a 59 steering box fits.the stock frame motor mount brackets need to be drilled about a inch forward of the stock holes.tryed to download some pictures,but did not work.will try tonight
Your efforts have eliminated a bunch of questions for my install! I do have a couple more that you might be able to help with. Do you need to change out the filter adaptor for fitment or are you eliminating the oil cooling portion of the adapter? Cobra manifolds because they are better or is that a fitment issue solver as well? Is there room to drop the engine just a touch more or is the pan on the crossmember or the heads and control fitment? And the last question, is there a wiring harness out there or are you modifying the existing harness? Thanks much, Bill
Bill, Ron Francis makes an engine control harness with fuel injection gizmo specifically for use with the 93-9? lincoln engines. It is used in conjunction with the stock lincoln computer. Canadian...curious where you are at (in Canada I assume)as my mom and dad were both canadian. Also, I was a little confused on your upper control arm modifications as far as the "ears". I think you said something about cutting and moving one of the ears on the passenger side....???
Info copied from www.ronfrancis.com
Lincoln Mark VIII 93-95 Telorvek Wiring Harness
1993-1995 Ford 4.6 V-8 Modular Engine
This engine was introduced in 1993 in the Mark VIII. This was Ford?s new modular design engine which utilizes some of the same parts to create a lower horsepower engine used in other Ford models. The 4.6 engine in the Mark VIII utilizes a thirty two valve, double over head cam design to create 280 horsepower while the 4.6 in other Ford models is a single overhead cam engine that produces 205 horsepower. The Mark VIII engine has intake manifold runner control solenoids which operate plates which are closed below 3000 RPM so the engine is running on two valves per cylinder. With no air delivered to the secondary intake valves, economy and emissions are improved at low RPM. Above 3000 the plates open increasing air delivered to each cylinder for more power on demand. The 4.6 engine has two ignition coils with each coil firing four cylinders. The 4R70W transmission is used behind this engine. Factory ECM can be used in factory configuration.
Item Number: MK-93
Unit Price: $900.00
i used a 98 crown vic oil filter adapter,it moves the thermostat up so it fits the 57 v8 rad better.also used a taurus 4cam thermostat to get rid of the pressurized over flow tank.my mark viii did not have a oil cooler.the 01 cobra manifolds were the best fitting of the ones i tryed.if you try to lower the engine any more the exhaust manifolds will hit the frame below the upper control arms.i am modifying the mark viii wiring harness.the ears i am talking about are part of the frame beside the upper control arm mounting bolts.i live by edmonton,alberta,canada.any other questions,just ask
more pictures .found this hp graph.first picture shows steering box to exhaust clearance and shift cable.other one shows right exhaust hitting frame ear
some more.the one shows oil filter clearance and thermostat moved up.the one on the frame is the taurus thermostat.the other is steering box,shift cable,from a 97 f150
Great information and Pic's Canadian Ranchero. Thanks for all the great information!
there is no room for the battery in the stock location.looking at other options.can someone tell me how bigger the after market power steering boxes are compared to the 59 box
We have great neighbors to the north! I'm amazed how you guys figure out how all these different parts from different vehicles will work. I'm guessing you work for a Ford garage or a wrecking yard to be around all these different vehicles...anyways, awesome job and much appreciated info. Several more questions.. Is there not room for the battery in the stock location because your going to rum the air intake thru that area? I noticed you used an f-100 shifter cable...are you planning on a floor or column shifter? The exaust manifolds from the cobra must be hard to find in wrecking yards...is there a difference between the cobra manifolds and non cobra mustangs from the same vintage that would probably be easier to find. Thanks again...Rich
Cobra 4.6 is 32 valve 4-cammer like the Lincoln Mark VIII, regular GT is a 16 valve 2-cammer. Ports are completely different, wont bolt up.
exhaust manifolds need to be from a 4 cam engine.i tryed the 95 lincoln ones,the right one would work.tryed 95 continental,left one fits but will not clear 59 steering box.looked at pictures of 4 cam navigator manifolds look too fat.01 cobra seem to be the best fit.got mine on ebay.the original battery box hits the head.so i will mount the air cleaner on the pass side.want to use the stock auto column shifter,looks like 97 f150 will work.i am looking into if a gm 605 power box will fit
You were fit checking the lincoln radiator..I'm curious if there were just to many modifications to the stock radiator support, which pretty much ties the front end together, for it to make a worthwhile swap, or if there was another reason did you decide against it
the bottom rad mount was hitting frame,moving it lower would have meant removing the frame braces by the front bumper brackets.also i was having trouble finding a spot to put the pressurized overflow tank.the stock rad just fit better and finding the taurus thermostat made it possible
are the dohc only in cobras? I was just looking at a new set of exaust manifolds advertised on ebay. They were listed as 1999-2001 mustang gt dohc. ??? Is it a case of them misidentifying their product?
just make sure the ports that come out of the head are oval shaped.the 2cam ones are round
talking about rads again if you make up some mounting tabs,looks like the mark viii cooling fan will fit on the 57 rad.test fitted a 605 gm power steering box,looks like it will fit,now i just need to cut up a 59 box to change it over
Rich,
Some folks think the 4.6 GT mustangs used the "Dual overhead Cam" (one cam over each head= 2 cams or Dual overhead cam to them) The 4.6 Cobra uses the true dual overhead cam arrangement (two cams over each head, which is my definition of a dual overhead cam Cobra head, for a total of 4 cams). Anyway, the GT manifolds (Exhaust or Intake) will not fit the Cobra (Mark VIII) heads. Somewhere I have a Link to an informative 2 part article on all the differences of the Ford 4.6 mod. motors describing what works with what. I'll see if I can find it and post a link.
Here is the link
http://www.mustangandfords.com/techarticles/engine/mufp_0509_ford_modular_v8_engine/index.html
enjoy!
And this is the link to part 2 of the article. This has all the information about the different head configurations.
http://www.mustangandfords.com/techarticles/engine/mufp_0510_ford_modular_v8_engine_part_2/index.html
enjoy again!
I think Bullits and the Mach I used 4 cam 4.6 motors through 2004.
i read the links and found some errors and things i do not agree with.i do not think the oil cooler will clear the 57 frame.as i said i do not think the mustang intake will fit,will hit the hood
ok...you got my attention..what didn't you agree with, and also did you see rclaiborn's question on the dip stick problem at the other post we got going. I,m curious about that also...thanks Rich
i am working on the dipstick issue.the mustang article is wrote for high rpm HP and some of what they say will not work as good on the street.the size chart has errors,weight i have for the markviii engine 437 lb
I noticed the high weight quoted for the 4.6. I assumed they had the weight for the cast iron later versions.I ran into a guy from Kansas City last summer who's shop specializes in the 4.6 conversion. I talked about him earlier, he claims to have done over 40 of them. Maybe I can pry some info out of him about the dipstick problem, if I can find his number...He seamed like the kind of guy who was willing to share info even though it was his buisness....Rich
The high weights listed are for a complete, as installed in the Lincoln weight. This included all accessories, exhaust manifolds, wiring harnesses, etc. That is why I always thought these engines were such a pig, compared to a 289 (a 4.7 liter). The weights listed for early engines was for the bare engine, no accessories, exhausts, etc. A 460 weighs in at something like 695 or 700 lbs or so, bare, imagine one loaded. On the other hand, an FE with an aluminum intake and water pump is really close to weighing the same as a 351W. The aluminum block 4 cammers are good powerplants, my dad has a `63 Falcon convertible with a 2004 Mach 1 engine and trans, and it is a brute.
one of the tv shows is doing a 4cam swap.they weighed the complete engine and auto trans and said it was 719 lbs
and this one too....
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These 4.6 32v intec engines run good With plenty of power all the way to 500hp,But you will be crying when it brakes a cam chain or tensioner,it destroys the whole engine usualy heads & all,My friend broke his crank snout off with a supercharger setup,wadded the cam chains & he had nothing left to rebuild.It cost almost 1000.00 just to make one run in an old car,I can get some serious hp upgrades on a sbf or fe for that much money.But everyone has their own outlook,have fun, get it done & tell us about it.
Seems like I remember reading on the Mark viii website about problems with the chains. I'll look into it some more...may be a good thing to replace while the engine is out...or still in the Mark viii before everything is pulled so it can be checked after install.
That said, I think most guys that have chosen the 4.6, or 5.0, or other similar new school motors have gone that route because of reliability compared to the old school. To my way of thinking, the old school engines with 150-200,000 miles are the exception rather than the rule. At least without major overhauling. My Grand Cherokee is about to turn 200K and other than plugs, has never even been tuned. Still gets the same (lousy) gas mileage it did when I got it with 12K miles.
There's are newer thread running on this, mostly by myself and Al (57dohc) that are trying to get the install done while working around other priorities. That thread is "4.6 dohc being installed now". Al is installing a supercharged version from a GT Mustang like your friend had. Mine is a Mark Viii version w/oem FI.
Welcome to the forumn, btw.
Having owned an 03 Cobra and now a Shelby GT 500 comparing both of those cars to my 70 Boss 302 is like comparing apples and oranges. The Shelby is superior in every respect to both the Boss and the 03. A couple of simple mods (CAI/tune, Magnoflows and 3.73 gears) and it puts 502 on the rear wheels. Ran it 83 - 84 all day after climbing Pikes Peak (in a hurry) without missing a beat and kept my and the wife cool on a 96 degree day in a traffic back up in KY. Folks it just don't get any better then that. Oh, did I mention the car averaged 19 MPG over the entire 3700 miles. :003:
Yes I have posted this stuff before but it just don't make sense to put a carbed engine when there are so many options out there. Small blocks built to 400 HP will cost more then that 4.6 or the 5.8 from a yard and getting 400 out of a 302 GT ain't that easy either. Now I have no problem with doing the monster motor if that floats your boat, but as a balding 66 year old fat man I have come to enjoy a few comforts, mostly because I don't have to put up with the old 2/60 air conditioning systems we used as youngsters!