Hey guys,
I bought a stock rebuilt 351W long block (1993 Truck) from a guy that was going to throw it in a mustang project that never happened. I know that "stock" (200hp/310tq) just won't do it for me or Pa. I have my eye on the Edelbrock Performer RPM top end kit (400hp/412tq). If I buy it before the end of the year, Edelbrock throws in a carb. Seems like a pretty good deal with free shipping.
BUT before I pull the trigger, I want to make sure that the carb/intake/air cleaner will clear a stock hood using Butch's motor mounts. Anyone have this set up? I did a search, only found FE related posts.
Thanks in advance!
Mike
PS ignore the trashed valve covers in the pic. There was an unfortunate incident while unloading the engine from the trailer.
I don't recall anyone having a problem using a W motor but I'm not an expert. But I'm pretty sure you can't use the truck rear sump pan with stock front suspension..
You will have no problems with the hood. You will need a front sump pan and pickup. Both readily available. Note, a 302 pan will not fit, the rear main seal is larger on the 351. Use Fox body engine mounts, will only require minor hole mods on the chassis mounts to put you business.
Yep, I did enough reading here to know that the front sump pan and pickup are requirements. :001:
Thanks for the info on the hood clearance. I am pretty close to pulling the trigger. I can't see a downside to this set up... anyone have other thoughts?
I have a 351W with the performer intake, 3" air cleaner and butch`s motor mounts plenty of room.
Hood clearance is a great thing about "57's! :003:
I'd prefer a 312 with a Mummert top end kit myself.
W swaps are getting like *hevs, too common to be different.
Goodluck,
Ron.
Mike:
I have a Custom 300 Tudor with a 351W, Butches Rod Shop motor mounts the Edelbrock RPM Series heads, cam and their Air Gap intake manifold. I've had no hood clearance issues and also have mounted a Paxton-Novi 1200 supercharger with a large carburetor box on top and still have had no hood clearance issues. The only hood clearance issues I've had were concerns with the radiator fill cap & the hood, but with some clay material this issue was put to rest my hood cleared fine.
Bob
57 AGIN
Thanks Bob! I am now sure that there isn't going to be an issue. Super jealous of your setup! I bet that hauls!
Ron: Good thing this car isn't being built for you, right? Sorry that my dad's choice of a Ford in a Ford, doesn't meet with your approval.
No problem, each to their own.
I'm just partial to Y-Blocks and the
Mummert package is killer.
Goodluck,
Ron.
If I could do a redo on my engine choice I'd like to do a 351 stroker with a turbo. Start with a Dart block and build it from there.
Far as the hood clearance thing my 514 has a weiand stealth intake which is about as tall as they come without going to a tunnel ram. I have about a 1/2 clearance, but that is with a 1" drop base air cleaner.
Hello 57agin, nice motor, what headers are you using? I like the long tube over the short bbk1511
Jimburnaugh:
The headers are Doug's Tri-Y's, I believe they were originally built for 1962-65 Fairlanes with 260 - 302 Small Block Ford engines. When I bought them and had Doug's install them They did have to so some slight modifications on tube #4 in order to clear the steering box and Z-bar. I decided on going with the Tri-Y's based on what they told me about the options they had for street/strip cars as opposed to just strip cars. If my memory is correct, it had to do with providing more torque at a lower RPM. I've been happy with them, they have been on the car since 2002 and have about 20,000 miles on them. When I got them I had Doug's ceramic coat them and rest of the entire exhaust system they had built for me and I've recently had Specialized Coatings do the headers only over again on the outside with Chomex Ceramic and inside with Insul Kote Ceramic Barrier. They should run a little cooler now that they are done inside and out.
In the photo history on my 57's build I did 2 pages on the original installation of the headers and I recently took a photo of one of the headers as it was coming out of the oven at Specialized Coating.
Bob
57 AGIN
All the parts are on order. Should be here Monday. Butch's kit has already arrived. Going to be a merry christmas at my house. LOL!
You wont have ANY problems with a Performer rpm. I had a Super Victor on my aluminum headed stroker 351 from a few years ago, and thats about as tall an intake as you can get outside of a tunnel ram.
Quote from: 57AGIN on 2015-12-09 02:51
Mike:
I have a Custom 300 Tudor with a 351W, Butches Rod Shop motor mounts the Edelbrock RPM Series heads, cam and their Air Gap intake manifold. I've had no hood clearance issues and also have mounted a Paxton-Novi 1200 supercharger with a large carburetor box on top and still have had no hood clearance issues. The only hood clearance issues I've had were concerns with the radiator fill cap & the hood, but with some clay material this issue was put to rest my hood cleared fine.
Bob
57 AGIN
Bob, very nice sir. I'm envious. I have a question........what is the "distribution" block, with the SS braided hoses and AN fittings,
that is on the fire wall in the second photo?
Thanks
John
John:
The "distribution block" mounted to the firewall was installed because I thought the various vacuum hoses used in conjunction with the Paxton-Novi supercharger setup really looked messy. There are vacuum lines running from the MSD Boost Timing Master (for every 1 lb of boost it takes out 2 degrees of timing to prevent detonation on 91 octane), also to the boost gauge mounted beside the tachometer on my steering column, to the fuel pump, to the blow-off valve, etc. So when I had the air intake mounted inside the fender behind the headlight and the red silicone pressure hoses installed, instead of the cheap ugly corrugated black ducting going from the supercharger to the blower box enclosing the carburetor, I had the vacuum lines done, too. It really cleaned up a somewhat cheap looking installation to something that does the job and looks a heck of a lot better. IMO
Bob
57 AGIN
Bob........very nice.It really looks great and one can readily tell that a lot of thought went into this project. I will "borrow" the way you handled the battery cables.
John
KYBlueOval:
Thanks for the compliment, but most of the wiring ideas were Rick's. He is a super guru when it comes to putting ideas into fabrication. You should see his 57 TUDOR which is almost back together and ready for shows and driving. I'll leave it to him to show everyone on the site, but he sure has my admiration.
Bob
57 AGIN
Mike, what trans are you planning to use with that combination? I have a 351W mocked up in my 57 ranchero, on Fox mustang mounts, the T-5 trans required some carving of the tunnel. I did install it on a close to level plane, I think the engine would have to be tilted to the rear to clear the tunnel.Good to see another Wisconsin 57 owner in the group, I used to run dirt late models at Seymour. Mark
Pa's arthritis says that an AOD is the plan.
You still live in the area?
Mike, I'm in the Waukesha area, about 1/2 hour West of Milwaukee. We go to Shawano every year when the Lucas oil late models run a show on their way to Red Cedar speedway.Mark