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Title: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-01-07 12:35
Today I am starting my Ranchero build progress in pictures. This is what I started with. I was building a 1951 Plymouth Concord complete with the '72 Dodge Dart firewall and drive train out of the same Dart. I used the factory A/C and the 904 trans and the rear axle out of the Dart, a four door Dart to those who see cutting up one of those as sacrilege. I had a brand new 360 crate motor with aluminum intake and all of the goodies when a buddy of mine says he wants to trade for his '57 Ranchero. The Ranchero barely ran, although it was supposed to be a brand new 390. The Ranchero was being Rat Rodded! Who would Rat Rod a '57 Ranchero?
Turns out the guy was building the car for his wife who had recently run off with another man. So, he did NOT want the car anymore and I figured my '51 Plymouth Gold Plated would not be worth what the Ranchero was so I traded him. Then I found out the floors were butchered, the 390 was brand new fifteen years ago and there was a carrier bearing on the drive shaft that was two inches off of center, then I looked at the front suspension with all of the bushings bulging out or completely gone. The battery and wiring came from behind the passenger seat, there was no carpet or floor covering of any kind, the seat was out of a Torino so it was two and a half inches short on both sides. I have it torn down to nothing right now and I am starting the process of repairing or replacing the damaged metal work. It will LIVE AGAIN!
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-01-07 12:41
More of the same.. This is much more recent and I am working on the front frame cleaning and repairing where the car had been hit on the passenger side.
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: hiball3985 on 2018-01-07 13:04
Great! Looking forward to following the build.
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-01-07 13:05
Here's the cardboard cutout that I used as a pattern to make the bump stop. I know when the car is back together that no one could ever see this was missing without being up under the car really close. But I want it to be what Henry built. So, we march on from here....
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-01-07 13:06
Here's the finished bump stop. Not as easy as it looks.
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-01-07 13:09
Sure wish I could post more than two pictures at a time! Here is the bump stop welded to the frame.
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-01-07 13:13
Now we move on to the floors... What a nightmare!
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-01-07 13:18
It seems critters can get in to almost anywhere. To think some critter got a taste for these seeds and managed to get them into this tiny little spot inside one of the cross braces attached to what was left of the floor is amazing.
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-01-07 13:20
Passenger side floor nearing completion and the drivers side just getting underway.
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-01-07 13:24
Both floors coming to an end. There's still a lot of welding underneath, with hot stuff raining down on you like crazy. That's what I love about welding over head! Fun fun fun till daddy takes the T Bird away!
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-01-07 13:26
Here we took a break from the floors to make the '95 Lincoln Mark VIII wiring pass through in the firewall. I have pictures of the engine being fitted, I'll post 'em next.
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-01-07 13:34
Here's drivers side exhaust manifold fitment. Because I can't do more than one picture this is done for the day!
One day this will all be over and it will just seem like a little nightmare from the past!
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: gasman826 on 2018-01-07 14:39
originally a factory dual exhaust car
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2018-01-07 17:55
Gary.If you're refering to the heat shields, my oem 6cyl. has them both sides.
Nice to see another one brought back to life. Nice job, and very nice to watch another build thread.......especially if it's gonna get a 4.6 imho !!
btw, check the post you did in the "picture testing area". I explained how to resize your pics so you can post 4.

Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-01-08 22:27
Here's a look at the passenger side exhaust manifold. What a big difference in cubic inches!!!
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2018-01-08 23:09
funny when you think about it.....those huge motors are actually smaller cubes than what was offered in '57
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2018-01-09 08:05
I can't believe you got that monster exhaust manifold in there, but I worry maybe you've cut too much off the control arm bracket. Also, have you fitted a control arm on there, and the bolts?
You may want to consider swapping the exhaust man. studs for bolts. That allows for manifold  removal without pulling engine.
I thought The Mark VIII oem passenger manifold had a catalyctic converter welded to it......did you modify a driver's side manifold to get you where you're at?
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: gasman826 on 2018-01-09 11:43
...cut my upper control arm mounts completely off and relocated.  Added 5 degree anti-dive.
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-01-09 17:41
Quote from: RICH MUISE on 2018-01-08 23:09
funny when you think about it.....those huge motors are actually smaller cubes than what was offered in '57

Rich, I was talking about cubic inches around the exhaust manifold. The Drivers side has the cat attached and will be relocated about four to six inches downstream to make clearance for the rack and pinion steering shaft and bearings.
I have not made any changes to the front suspension at all, I have made sure the control arms will fit properly with the engine in and the exhaust manifolds in place. I put this thing together and take it apart and make changes and put it together again over and over till it's right. I'm retired, not by choice. I've had a couple of strokes and now I'm dealing with Leukemia and just recently I found out I have Diabetes as a bonus! Having to learn to walk and talk and read and write again is not an easy task, So I started building cars again and fired all of my therapists. My way works so much better and I have stuff to show for it!
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-01-09 17:44
I see you have the rack and pinion set up I intend to use on my car. When it gets to that stage of the build. Looks like I see air bags under there. Aren't you afraid of reliability issues with that set up?
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-01-09 17:59
Here's a shot of the engine in the car during the fitting phase.
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-01-09 18:11
The engine is not wearing the exhaust manifolds in that shot, but I've had this engine and trans in and out of this car a lot... I mean, A LOT!
That picture does not have the firewall mods made to accept the Lincoln air intake tubes and such and I had not done all of the grinding to remove the bad welds and bad paint from the previous owner. First I had to UN DO all of his.... how shall we put this... crap. Crap is a good word for what he did.
This picture shows some of the aforementioned "crap".
He took the fuel filler door off and threw it away. He then welded over the hole, after cutting the lip off all around the fuel door opening. Then, he filled the hole with tin and moved the filler tube to the drivers side rear of the bed, he cut the tin cover in half and he welded in a piano hinge at the wrong angle. So when you want to put gas in, you put the key in the tin you would remove to access the tail light, and then the tin opens about an inch and a half when the tin hits the bed allowing only tiny little hands to get in to turn the key on the locking gas cap and then you might be able to spray fuel at the tube.... What a horrible job to have to repair. Finding some of these parts is crazy. Some of the parts are made of unobtanium!!
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-01-09 18:13
This is where I am moving to after the floors and engine and transmission are all fitted
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-01-09 18:18
You can see in this picture that the fuel filler door mounting screw holes are there, but he cut out the part that was spot welded to this part????
So, I get to replace a good portion of the drivers side quarter which I have which includes the fuel filler door, hinge and all of the hardware.
This is what makes my days so special, cleaning up other peoples crap, before I can build the car that I want. What more could a guy ask for?
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-01-09 18:23
Here's the latest from the wet cold south west Arizona area I live in...
I've been fitting the steering column and finishing up the top of the floor. Then I get to move on to the right rear corner...
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-01-09 22:39
Gassman826,
I need to see a couple more pictures of your rack and pinion build/set up. Is that part of your build on here? That is exactly what I was looking to do. What rack is it, what car is it out of and the mounts... I need to see the mounts for the rack. It looks like a GM rack, Cavalier or something of that nature. I am hooked and need to know more!!!
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: gasman826 on 2018-01-10 07:44
I think this thread will answer many questions:
http://57fordsforever.com/smf/index.php?topic=518.0

My rack is a reman from Cardone.  I found four part numbers for the same application.  I worked with a vendor that had no problem ordering each part # for my review.  I found no difference in turning radius, lock to lock or any fitment except for the configuration of the sector shaft spline.  Three of the four part #s did NOT have a readily available aftermarket compatible u-joint to connect the rack to the steering column with a double u-joint.  A small bit of the shaft needs to be cut off.  Just my experience and I'm sure others have different.  There is a rumor that Turn One will modify these racks to compensate for the increased turning radius (common Cavalier rack conversion complaint).  I can't verify this service yet.  It might save some money to acquire a used rack and send to Turn One to rebuild and add the reduced turning radius feature.
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-01-10 09:55
Gasman,
I have to thank you for the link. I had looked at that quite a while back when I was still suffering from the effects of the Chemo for my Leukemia. I've gotten through that for the most part.
Some days are great and some really suck, but we push on and make the best of it. I am looking to do the exact rack and pinion set up on my car, what I don't see is the drivers side mount to the frame. Is that inside or outside on the frame rail? The passenger side is clearly visible. Funny, I used to be a Tech with a GM dealership before going to a Rolls Bentley Cadillac dealership and I used to install those racks in cars under warranty, Cavaliers and all of the other J body cars.
Back to the build today until my Suburban upper control arm bushings show up. Gotta have a truck and mine's been down a week with this control arm bushing mess. Upper and lower all taken out by a leaking power steering hose... Oh well here we go!  :006:
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: gasman826 on 2018-01-10 11:49
Air Bags:  love 'em.  Great ride.  Maintains the ride height no matter the load.  Light weight.  All four bags have independent feed lines so one failure can be isolated.  If one bag fails, nothing rubs so car can still drive.

R&P pic attached:  I made the main brackets out of 6x6, 1/4" wall boxed tubing.  The Wurith-IT design used 6x6, 3/8" angle iron.  The box tubing is a much nicer looking product, has rounded corners and 1/4" is more than enough.  If I was to do it again, I would trim the brackets down and weld them on like it was part of the car and not an add-on.
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2018-01-10 12:53
Great info and work as usual, Gary. If you ever hear anything about Turn One actually modifying our Cavalier racks, please let us know. That's something I'd definitely be interested in.
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-01-11 10:00
Rich and Gasman, I am very grateful for the help you've offered so far on my build. It took forever to get into this forum, so I used to just read different builds and I read a LOT about the both of your builds. I can't thank you enough. I'm off to the machine shop to retrieve my upper control arm. I had to have bushings pressed in yesterday. This is for my Subhuman, a man needs a truck and this is what I chose as my truck. My press is broke and I'm now dependent on my local machine shop till I get my press fixed...
I have SO many questions for you guys and anyone else who may be "listening" in on this thread.
One day I hope to have my Ranchero look like this picture. Resto Modded of course.
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2018-01-11 22:12
Bummer it took ya so long to join the club, glad you hung in there though! That is a good looking Ranchero you want to emulate....Your off to a good start. It's good to have some inspiration. Bob Burgdoff's 300 was mine from the time I saw it on the cover of Street Rodder.
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-01-21 18:00
Well, I am back, I've been sick... REALLY sick. Having to deal with Chemotherapy on a daily basis is bad enough, then you throw in the diseases the snowbirds bring to town with my immune system all beat up and let me tell ya, I get sick every time the wind blows in the winter....
So, I was able to get back in the shop for a while today and I got the top of the floors finished and the steering column partially mocked up. I have to finish the welds up top and do not yet have  my rack and pinion to set the bottom of the column. But progress is progress!
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-01-21 18:02
More of the progress today
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-01-21 18:07
Trying to get more than two pictures per post...
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-01-21 18:08
Well my new printer makes a BIG difference in sizing photos for this thread and others!
Finally got it figured out!!!
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: terry_208 on 2018-01-21 19:56
Sorry to hear you've been so ill.  You've got a lot accomplished.  Is the body sitting on the frame.  How did you square your body to the frame and put the mounting holes in the right places?
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-01-21 21:37
Thanks for the sentiment, but hey everybody's got something wrong with them. I was just lucky enough to have had two strokes and a touch of Leukemia and some Diabetes thrown in for good measure. It is what it is and you move on when you can....
The body is still on the frame. I have an original frame dimensions chart. I have drilled up through the existing body mounts for placement of the mount hardware inside the cab. I am using the OEM mounting holes for the forward mounts and the mounts rear of the three in the cab on each side
I have yet to lift the body to replace the body mounts. I have taken most all of the measurements and the frame is very near square, within a sixteenth of an inch. I have to go from the rear body mounts to the frame to see if the body is square. I am open to any suggestions for squaring the whole mess. Since this was destined to be a "Rat Rod" I am sure there are things I have not caught yet.
I have a full body mount kit that will be put into place very soon, so don't be afraid to tell me what you think about squaring, Please!
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-01-24 09:57
I have to brag a bit today. Yesterday I was lucky enough to run into a guy with three pieces I was desperately trying to find for over two years.
They are the inner wheel well molding inside the bed, both sides. Mine are rusted on both ends and these have only surface rust.
Then the left rear panel to access the tail light etc., mine was cut in two and had a piano hinge welded in.
I will get a picture of that along with an "explanation" of why someone would do such a thing...
The best part, $20.00 for all three pieces!!!!!!!!
The wood wheel belongs to my '29 REO Flying Cloud Brougham 2 door sedan.
Juice brakes at all four corners and an 80 hp inline six. Been in family for 67 years... 53 of it on blocks in a barn.
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-02-12 19:12
Been kinda busy on other stuff, here's the latest on the build.
Finally got the floors finished!!!! I never thought that would end. Welding overhead is not for the faint of heart.
Moving on to filling the ripples and dents in the firewall has started, I'm on my second slathering of Bondo right now.
I secured a front frame clip and got the needed control arms and bolts!!!
Next is moving to the body mounts and squaring the body to the frame, should be in the next week or so.
I found some body supports from a '59 Ford and made the best of making them fit where the previous owner had cut them out...
Why on earth would someone cut out the cross brace that the seat bolts into AND the forward one that the body mounts use on both sides???
It is amazing what some "mechanics" will do given enough beer.
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-02-12 19:22
Here are a couple shots of the first and second slathering of Bondo on the firewall.
I eliminated all of the unnecessary holes for things that will no longer be needed such as the throttle linkage.
I also procured a '59 Ford park brake pedal, I've got that mocked up and bolted in for now.
Hopefully progress will be more steady and productive.
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-02-12 19:26
Here are the second slathering shots from today.    :006:
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-03-01 17:04
Here's the latest and greatest of the build so far.
I have been dreading the fuel door install since I got this car.
I took my time and did it by the book... Except the part where I blow up the gas tank while using my plasma cutter removing the metal where the fuel door goes... I had no idea that five year old gasoline could still be "explosive". The car won't run on it and it stinks to high heaven, so I paid no attention till the fumes ignited and it felt like I got hit in the gut with a sledge hammer.  I will NEVER make that mistake again, EVER!
So, after removing the old gasoline and taking the tank out, I got back to work and the results are pretty darn good if you ask me.
I have a lot of welding to finish and then the body work starts!
Sure wish I had a video of the explosion to play on here.
I've survived a plethora of things that should have killed me, this is the latest and it just proves that GOD has something for me to do before I die.
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-03-01 17:07
More pictures of the progress today.
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: gasman826 on 2018-03-01 18:44
bet there's no dents in the tank anymore!!!!
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-03-01 22:14
No dents in that tank for sure...
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-12-29 00:25
I refuse to let this die... :deadhorse:
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-12-29 22:53
Quote from: dmkberger on 2018-12-29 00:25
I refuse to let this die... :deadhorse:
I am GOING to get a picture posted if it kills me. Attempt number 9
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2018-12-30 08:05
Glad you got it posted on THIS thread. I had totally forgotten about the thread to the point where if I had not posted in it, I would have thought I was seeing it for the first time, lol. My memory wories me.  Anyway, it answered all the questions I had on your other recent post.
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-12-31 10:09
Glad to hear from you Rich, I've been VERY busy re-plumbing my house. Copper pipe in Chicago will last at least a hundred years, here in Arizona... It lasted 34! We had seven leaks and since plumbing in Arizona is in the ceiling, we had four times we had to replace the ceiling in the great room and three smaller leaks that culminated in having to replace every inch of copper pipe in the house. Not a small task that's for sure.
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-12-31 10:15
Trying again for some pictures of the car today...
I have finished the floors, finished painting and assembling the front suspension, added a brand new Borgeson power steering box and a Mustang hydro boost brake power booster.
I have the frame all painted and I am currently looking at steering columns. I have not chosen one yet, but I am leaning toward a late seventies early eighties Ford Van column. I have to peruse the local bone yards to make my choice...   
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-12-31 10:20
For some reason I can only add one picture per post and if I try to add more, they get kicked out and I have to start over again....
This is the third try to show the hydro booster.
I've reduced the size of the pictures DRAMATICALLY and still I get kicked to the curb...
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-12-31 10:24
You can see in the pic with the hydro boost that the firewall has to be reformed at the bottom of the booster and made to look like that booster came from the factory.
It's all in the works, but I've been busy helping my buddy with his '59 Ranchero while waiting on parts for mine. Here's a look at his. It's come a LONG way since we brought it to his house.
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: Tom S on 2018-12-31 12:50
Quote from: dmkberger on 2018-12-31 10:20... I've reduced the size of the pictures DRAMATICALLY and still I get kicked to the curb...

That pic size does not appear to be reduced since it shows a file size of 2957.28 kB and its a 4320x3240 pixel size pic. That's still a very large size pic. It would be too big for a standard monitor screen size of 1024X768.
Maybe you did reduce it but forgot to save it at the reduced size before posting?
If the second pic you tried to put in your post has a file size over 1042.72 kb it would exceed the total allowable 4000 kb & will not post.
Did you see/read my post here?
http://57fordsforever.com/smf/index.php?topic=7304.msg67227#msg67227
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2018-12-31 17:19
Tom beat me to it. Your pic size does not appear to be reduced. If you are hitting a  "save as" button, rather than save, it is saving both the original size and the reduced size. You just need to figure out where that "save as" reduced pic is stored. On my computer, it is placed right next to the original.
The "save as" option is what I use if I do not want to permanently reduce the pixel count of the original, so I have both sizes still available. This is particularly useful when reducing a pic down to avatar size.
So, just to confirm, you do not have your pics stored on the computer? You had mentioned previously that when you right clicked, you did not have an "open with" option to chose. If the pics were stored on your computer instead of your printer, I think you would have that option.

Just a head's up........it took me a day and a half to bleed my hydroboost system to an acceptable level.....and that was just the brake lines side of it. The power steering side took a while, but not so bad. We're always told to bench bleed a master before installing, but that can't be done on a hydroboost's master. That's the reason for the two bleed valves on it, when you don't see(?) bleed valves on a normal master.
You're moving right along on your build. I'm assuming you're planning on using the MKVIII wiring harness?
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2018-12-31 18:11
Tom, I have been reducing my pictures to 25%, perhaps I have been clicking on the wrong icon. I have to try again. I have been through this and you've helped me with posting pictures way back when I first found 57 Fords Forever. I have to look into what I've been doing and will let you know... Time away from something like this forum is lost brain cells on my end... I am on so many different forums and each has it's own quirks...
So, I'm gonna try again and see what's going on.
Thanks Tom.
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: Tom S on 2019-01-01 10:50
Quote from: RICH MUISE on 2018-12-31 17:19... So, just to confirm, you do not have your pics stored on the computer? You had mentioned previously that when you right clicked, you did not have an "open with" option to chose. If the pics were stored on your computer instead of your printer, I think you would have that option. ...

Pix stored on a printer?! I don't understand why someone would do that.
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2019-01-01 15:05
My pictures are stored on my computer. I have a program that stores and sorts and does all kinds of stuff with them. I downloaded the picture program you use and I'm still trying to figure out how to use it...
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2019-01-01 16:32
Just a thought.......the pics have to be downsized before they are downloaded to this forum, that is to say, where they are stored in your computer. Are you using a Microsoft operating system, like windows 10?
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: Tom S on 2019-01-01 21:50
Quote from: dmkberger on 2019-01-01 15:05
My pictures are stored on my computer. I have a program that stores and sorts and does all kinds of stuff with them. I downloaded the picture program you use and I'm still trying to figure out how to use it...

I hope you downloaded all the plugins.  Here are a couple tips to start with that might help you. My 'puter keeps freezing up so I'll try to get more info for you as best I can.


Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: Tom S on 2019-01-01 22:32
After you resize a pic you would sometimes want to change the file size. That's what you might need to do in order to post up to 4 pix per post here without exceeding the 4000kb limit.

Click FILE, & select SAVE (original folder).
A menu comes up where you can type in a file size & check it's box. I usually don't want to pick a file size smaller than 1/2 of the original file size.  You will see the file size of any pic just by holding your cursor on their thumbnails.
 
It's sometimes a good idea to keep a copy of of the original pic in case you pick a file size too small & it distorts the pic.
Right click on a thumbnail, select copy, hold cursor in the blank space between the thumbnails, right click again & select paste.   
Play around with some of the different menus & try stuff out.
You do have thumbnails showing, right?
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2019-01-02 18:30
Quote from: Tom S on 2019-01-01 21:50
I hope you downloaded all the plugins.  Here are a couple tips to start with that might help you. My 'puter keeps freezing up so I'll try to get more info for you as best I can.
I am using Windows 10 on my 'puter. I am trying to learn a bit about the irfanview. What are the plug ins you speak of??? My kid has a "smart phone" and speaks of plug ins and aps.
I have refused to go to a smart phone and have little knowledge of the workings of such things. Remember, I am old and I am trying to keep my world sized where it is now...
I have a meeting this evening and will try again tomorrow after noon sometime. Lot's going on with my buddies car and several other cars I am helping out on.
Thanks for your help. Maybe I will be able to grasp this before the weekend!! :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: Tom S on 2019-01-02 21:35
Quote from: dmkberger on 2019-01-02 18:30
What are the plug ins you speak of???
Go back here & get them from those links I posted
http://57fordsforever.com/smf/index.php?topic=7304.msg67227#msg67227
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2019-01-15 19:00
Tom, I have tried, unsuccessfully I might add to use the irfanview. I just don't know how to navigate around to get to what I need to do. I keep trying, but as of this afternoon, no luck yet.
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: Tom S on 2019-01-15 21:51
Quote from: dmkberger on 2019-01-15 19:00
.... I just don't know how to navigate around to get to what I need to do.
Did you download the plugins?  Exactly what are you trying to do that's not working?
A while back I marked up in red text some steps to get you started here.
http://57fordsforever.com/smf/index.php?topic=7305.msg67305#msg67305
If you have the pix opening up in Irfanview those steps should work towards getting you started. Remember, after you resize them you gotta save them that way or they stay at the same file size.  That's an easy mistake to make.
Do you have a specific question I can reply to to help you?

Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2019-01-15 22:24
I am trying to resize the pictures to download to the forum. I can get the picture up and I think I have it or them re-sized, but I can't find them once I have saved them. Where do they go? I am NOT computer savvy by any means. I just have to figure out where they go once I re-size them. Like I say, I am working on it, so in the mean time I just keep workin' on the car and takin' pictures, so one day I can post the results!!! :felix:
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: Tom S on 2019-01-16 00:01
Quote from: dmkberger on 2019-01-15 22:24
I am trying to resize the pictures to download to the forum. I can get the picture up and I think I have it or them re-sized, but I can't find them once I have saved them. Where do they go?
Well, first ya gotta pay attention to where it says you are saving them. If you name them you can usually find them by typing in that name in the start menu in the 'search files & folders' space. I'm using the Firefox browser, what are you on, Internet Explorer?  Hope you are not on AOL, it sucks big time.
Anyway here's what I do.
Open the pic.
Click on 'image' in the tool bar at the top of the screen.
Scroll down & click on 'Resize/Resample' & set the pic size at 1024x768
Click on 'File' at upper left.
In the drop down menu click on 'save (original folder)'
You should then see the JPEG/GIF save options as shown in the pic below.  You can see that I have set a file size of 75 & checked the box.
At this time if you want to save your original pic at it's original size then you need to add a number at the end of it's name or it will overwrite your original. If you still have the original pic on your camera you don't have to do that.
At the bottom right click on 'save' & your pic should end up in the same folder it came from.
Keep in mind that your pix need to be in the JPG/JPEG format.
I think I have those steps right. Let me know how this works for you or what happens.

Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: CobraJoe on 2019-01-16 05:17
Another option for pics...

http://57fordsforever.com/smf/index.php?topic=7624.msg65490#msg65490
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2019-01-16 07:00
Tom, what you just said switched the light on for me..............I think I just figured out what his issue is. Last year, when I was having problems finding pics, I finally realized there are two ways of opening pics when you use Windows 10 and have a browser like firefox. I think the one I was trying to use is probably hosted by the browser (I use Firefox as well), and that was causing the problems I just read that DK is having. If you remember I stated that there seemed to be TWO filing systems, one having a mind of it's own, lol. If you go to your pics with the browser, and the pics are right clicked, you are not given the options of what to open them with, and if you do resize, they get moved to who knows where. If they are opened with Windows, you can resize by right clicking and choosing "open with"........"Paint", and it just puts them back where they were after saving.

So, I will restate that there is no need for hosting programs, that Windows has everything you need to resize easily and be able to find them easily after the resizing. I wish I knew how to post pics of window screens like Tom and Joe are doing, but I don't, so it'll have to be a verbal discription. You just need to open the pictures with Windows and not the browser, and here's the way to do that............
DK, at the bottom left corner of your screen is the Windows icon. click on it. If you are using the popular Firefox, that opened up a big colorful menu with lots of things to chose from, one of them being photos. I'm guessing that was how you were opening the photos. Don't open them from that big menu. After you clicked on the Windows icon in the corner, also appearing, but not all that noticeable, is a row of small icons directly above that windows button. The middle one is the Windows pictures files you want to open.
Now you should be able to open your pics folders, hover over the pic you want and right click. The menu that opens has an "open with". click on that and choose "Paint". When the photo opens up, up at the top left is a resize option. Click on that and chose percentage option. I use 50% normally. It will automatically resize it length and width equally. after resizing, and close the window. When you hit the close X button, a pop up will ask if you want to save. clicking yes will save the new sizeed pic right where it was. clicking save as will save the original size, and save the new size right next to it in the folder.
Be aware when you reduce a picture by percentage, you are reducing it both length and height, so for example if you chose 50%, the picture will end up being 1/4 the original size.
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: hiball3985 on 2019-01-16 09:47
Just thinking out loud because I'm not savoy enough as to how sites work, but the other three sites I post pictures on automatically resize the pictures and you don't have to jump through all these hoops.
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: Tom S on 2019-01-16 23:32
Quote from: RICH MUISE on 2019-01-16 07:00
...I wish I knew how to post pics of window screens like Tom and Joe are doing ...
Don't you have a keyboard with a 'Print screen' button?
Hit that & it saves in the clipboard. Open with a photo program  or even your MS Paint & hit paste..  Name & save the pic in your pic file.
As far as resizing pix with Paint, yes you can do it that way but that changes the size of the pic & will make the file size smaller  but I've often had to make the file size smaller again with Irfanview after doing that. So it's not always that great of an option.
I don't quite understand what you mean by opening the pictures with Windows.  I don't have Windows 10.  No Windows icon at the bottom of the screen.  But I do have a icon there that looks like a manila folder. It is the Windows Explorer folder.  Maybe works the same way as your Windows icon.   

I'm afraid we're just gonna get dmkberger more confused with other programs like Cobra Joe's that I'm pretty sure work the same as Infranview. I ain't shillin' for Irfanvew since I know there are several  that do the same things.  It's just the one I've used for decades now & it's never let me down.  MS Paint sure wont do a lot of the neat stuff these photo programs can do.
Maybe dmkberger just needs to spend a lot more time on this & playing with some of the prompts & reading the menus.
It's not always easy explaining this stuff the right way & it all takes a lot of time.
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2019-01-17 00:07
No, try clicking on the windows icon (looks like a 4 color flag in sphere) to the left of the explorer icon you pointed to and see what it brings up with your system. On windows 10 it shows a pictures icon that goes to the picture files without using the browser.
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: Tom S on 2019-01-17 00:37
Quote from: RICH MUISE on 2019-01-17 00:07
No, try clicking on the windows icon (looks like a 4 color flag in sphere) to the left of the explorer icon you pointed to and see what it brings up with your system. On windows 10 it shows a pictures icon that goes to the picture files without using the browser.
That's the start menu. Hold the cursor over mine & it says start. Here I've right clicked on one item. You can see that items can be removed or added to that menu.
I've never used a browser to go to pic files & not sure what you mean or how that works.
What about that keyboard 'Print Screen' button?  Got one?
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2019-01-19 22:31
And, I'll try it again. I've been looking at what I have and what Tom shows on his screen. Mine doesn't look like that... I'm still trying, but I think I might have reduced the picture size "my way" with the tools I have, so... Let's see how it turned out!?
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2019-01-19 22:47
Did it work????
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2019-01-19 22:48
Still gotta work on it, but I am getting closer! :burnout:
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2019-01-19 22:51
One more try and....
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2019-01-19 22:56
Ta Da! I think I've figured it out. More work on this and we'll try again tomorrow maybe. Thanks for the help guys! I'm using infranview 64 thumbnails and it seems to work. Just have to fine tune it!!!
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: Tom S on 2019-01-19 23:41
Quote from: dmkberger on 2019-01-19 22:31I've been looking at what I have and what Tom shows on his screen. Mine doesn't look like that...
Maybe you didn't download all the plugins? I'd like to see what your screen looks like.  If you have the sprint screen button in the top row of buttons & towards the right side on your keyboard, get your screen up, hit that button, open a pic & click paste. Name & save that screen pic. It should come up named as Clipboard.
Post that pic here.
I think you're gettin' there. Check out post #76.  The file size is only 81.16 kb with the 800X 600pic size so that's real good. The others are in the 1200, 1300, 1600 kb range & still the 4320x3240 pic size. Too big for more than a couple pix per post.  Of course getting the pic size down to 800X600 or 1028X 768 helps to reduce the file size.
Did you at least get your album to look something like the 1st pic I posted here with the navigation page box checked under the 'Organize' button?  http://57fordsforever.com/smf/index.php?topic=7305.msg67305#msg67305
Sorry for all the questions but it seems like you are gettin' there & I'm just tryin' to help ya move along. Keep at it.
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: CobraJoe on 2019-01-20 06:46
I uploaded your pic to IMGUR so you can see how it posts....(Nice work by the way)


(https://i.imgur.com/kGz54LG.jpg)
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2019-01-20 08:25
Quote from: Tom S on 2019-01-17 00:37
That's the start menu. Hold the cursor over mine & it says start. Here I've right clicked on one item. You can see that items can be removed or added to that menu.
I've never used a browser to go to pic files & not sure what you mean or how that works.
What about that keyboard 'Print Screen' button?  Got one?
not too different from windows 10. yes, I have a print screen button, and just used it to capture what I was talking about. We're really cluttering up his build thread though, so I'm going to start a new thread on resizing pics with windows 10, and later I'll add a link to it here.
the link: http://57fordsforever.com/smf/index.php?topic=7739.new#new
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2019-01-20 19:56
I think I've got this. It's a lot to remember, BUT it makes all the difference in the world! :sunny:
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2019-01-20 19:57
I got it, THANK YOU GUYS for all of the help. Old men who have had two strokes take a lot of time to get it through their think sculls how to do some things!!!!! :006:
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: Tom S on 2019-01-20 20:40
Quote from: dmkberger on 2019-01-20 19:56
I think I've got this.

(http://57fordsforever.com/smf/Smileys/default/thumbsup.gif)
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2019-01-20 22:01
Okay then, Now I can do the build in order of what's happening instead of jumping around from one group of pictures to another.
I will pick this up from where I left off a while back and go forward, quickly and come up to present.
Lot's has happened and is still happening on this build, now I can post pictures like a pro and move on....
WOW, what a pain in my rump that has been. Who'd a thunk it'd be this hard to get my brain to kick in???
Mechanical is one thing, technology is a whole different animal these days.
I quit following computer stuff back when I retired in 2002, lot's has changed in 16 years!
If you just hang with old guys and hang out in your shop, the world moves on even though you don't keep up...
I do appreciate the help you guys have been and the patience to put up with an old guy who doesn't always listen, and I always do things better the second time, or third....
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2019-01-20 22:20
glad you figured it out. Did you see the question I asked about the number of Oxygen sensors your Mark VIII donor car had?
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2019-01-20 22:35
I did not... My donor car has two oxygen sensors. My donor car is or was a 1995 which is prior to the four sensor system.
I did not want to have to deal with the extra electronics involved with the '96 and later cars.
There are lot's of things about the later model engines that I like, coil on plug being one of them, but the draw backs of having the theft deterrent ignition system, which is a REAL pain to bypass overrode my using that system. I will make due with my older less techy systems okay...
I have no idea who I would turn to in my area to assist with some of the newer stuff.
I know a LOT of techs in the business, but they are all older like me and retired or retiring which makes it harder to fumble through.
The earlier stuff I know like the back of my hand... I used to anyway!
Wiring is coming soon to my house and I will know pretty quickly if I still have what it takes!!! :005:
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: fdlrc on 2019-01-26 10:32
Very nice work. Good group of pictures. I just saw an add for a 57 red Custom in Lake Havasu on classiccars.com
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2019-01-26 14:40
I couldn't remember how many O2 sensors my '95 MK VIII donor car had, but I was told just like you just confirmed. That's the only reason I was asking, a confirmation on what I thought was correct. Thanks.
Mine had the coil packs and spark plug wires as well. After I got everything up and running I converted it to a "simulated" COP. I used valve covers off a 97 Lincoln Continental, bought a set of 8 coils, and a custom mini harness off a guy on the Mark VIII forum. All the harness does is split each of the the 4 signals the computer is sending (originally to the 4 coils) into 2 signals each for a total of 8. Two cylinders are fired simultaneously, of course just as it was with the coil packs. That's why it's just a simulated cop conversion. A true cop conversion would utilize a computer that sends out 8 signals. I did it solely to clean up the engine compartment.
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2019-02-01 21:38
What are you planning for a radiator? I ask because I want to redo my lower radiator outlet  to thermostat, not happy with what I've got now.
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: fdlrc on 2019-02-01 22:19
I'd like to see some pics that show your plumbing as I have the same box, when ya get the chance. I wonder if you could rotate the booster unit to accommodated a Wilwood master cylinder.
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2019-02-01 23:54
Rich,
I need to look into the cop system you're talking about. I like the look of the cop and would prefer it, but there are draw backs to the systems that have true coil on plug and I wanted to avoid those, so being able to get the look without the anti theft crap and the other problematic issues with a newer model Mark VIII would be great!
I am not sure on radiator yet. If all goes well, I will use the Lincoln unit that I took out of the donor car. Time will tell...
I am nearing the point where I can mount the front sheet metal and start fitting the other crap, like the radiator.
I'll keep ya posted.
Thanks, you made my night with the news that I may be able to use cop valve covers etc.!
Title: Re: My '57 Ranchero build in pictures
Post by: dmkberger on 2019-02-01 23:59
Hey fdlrc, I am not sure if you can rotate the booster or not, but I don't see why not...
Personally, I think that if you made a plate to attach to the unit where the master attaches, and put the bolts where you needed them to fit the Wilwood master... Why wouldn't it work?
I will look at it and see what can be done... I have a couple things going tomorrow, but I will see what I can do to figure it out for you.