We desperately need some good pictures of the clutch equalizer inner bracket from a 57 Ford. It's the only part that we are missing.
We have the outer piece and all the other related pieces.
It's the piece that is marked inner bracket on page 3 -4 of the 57 Ford shop manual.
See picture.
Thank you very much
That piece attaches to the motor. If you see the shiny knob between the bell housing and the #4 exhaust tube. That's it. The Y-block is about the same as the FE.
Jim
Thank you for your picture.
I have one like that one off of an FE but it is just not lining up correctly. I need a good picture of one that actually came off of a Y block from a 57 Ford so we know exactly what to look for.
Jay
The Y block bracket hes pin and uses split bronze bushings. Although the FE ball may be the same size?
Jay, I have a bracket that I believe is off of a Y block. I had to modify it to fit my FE. See if these help.
Is the clutch linkage/equalizer bar the same for both the 6 cylinder and V8 in 1957?
Lynn
That's exactly the one that I'm talking about. Do you remember what you did to modify it to fit the FE? My memory is getting fuzzy these days about how we modified them back in the old days to fit the FE and vise versa.
The application that we are doing is for a Y block.
Thank you very much for posting that picture. It's a big help.
Jay
troublemaker427
From what I remember in the old days, the equalizer is the same on the 6 and the 8 cylinder.
I kinda remember that that inner bracket is different on the 6 cylinder, but I can be wrong.
Jay
Jay if you look at the picture there is a lipped hole in the bracket... that is where the pivot ball was pressed in originally. I pressed the pivot out, drilled a new hole 1" to the transmission side of the bracket and welded the pivot there. If you need dimensions or whatever let me know.
Here's a set of NOS bushings,Jay !
https://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-1957-1972-FORD-MANUAL-TRANS-CLUTCH-ROD-EQUALIZER-BUSHING-SET-AB-7526-B/162378356953?epid=2211972761&hash=item25ce8118d9:g:BNQAAOSwjDZYkNBW&vxp=mtr (https://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-1957-1972-FORD-MANUAL-TRANS-CLUTCH-ROD-EQUALIZER-BUSHING-SET-AB-7526-B/162378356953?epid=2211972761&hash=item25ce8118d9:g:BNQAAOSwjDZYkNBW&vxp=mtr)
Guenter
I don't need any of the bushings. FWIW the person that is selling those bushings only think that they are for a 57. The 57 used two half moon concave bronze bushings on each end and later years they used a nylon type ball on each end. I have some bushings in the shop and I'll take a picture and email it to you so you will know what you need when the time comes for you to switch something to standard shift.
Lynn
You solved the mystery. When I saw the hole in your inner bracket, that is what I figured that you did to use it on the FE application. The Y block inner bracket has it's own shape. Now that we know exactly what it looks like, my friend will know exactly what to look for when he goes to RI to get one that should be from a 57.
All 54-57 V-8's are the same bracket. (2.65" bolt hole center) Engine side.
Ron.
Not sure when Ford switched from the split bronze bushings to the round plastic bushings, but I know for sure the bronze bushings were still used at least as late as 1959.
As for the equalizer bar(Z bar, cross shaft etc), according to my 59 Ford parts catalog, the 6 cylinder and Y block V8 had the same part number, the 332/352 FE used a different part number, I have both, and they are identical, except for the orientation of the pin in the lower lever, that the lower clutch rod pivots on. On the 6 cyl./Y block equalizer, the pin is pressed into the lever pointing towards the center of the car, the FE unit points to the left side of the frame. Easy to press out the pin and reverse it if you already have the "wrong" piece. A 57 has a solid rod from the clutch pedal to the Z bar, with adjustment made at the lower rod. 59s have a threaded upper rod, that fits into a pivoting clevis on the upper lever, for adjustment, and have a solid rod on the lower end. Not sure which style a 58 has.
59Meteor
Thank you for clarifying some of the mysteries of the 57 59 equalizer (Z bar). I'm thankful that Ford was pretty good about how those parts were made so they could be switched around.
Over the years I have usually favored using the setup with 59 parts because I like the adjustable upper pedal to equalizer rod. It makes life a lot easier to adjust the clutch from up top rather than crawling under the car to do a clutch adjustment .
It sounds like you have been playing with these cars for a long time also. The internet is helpful however I miss the old days when these parts were plentiful and we scrounged them up in backyards and junkyards. Jay
Thanks everyone for the z bar information. That is one less part I will need for my 223 to Y block conversion.
Quote from: 59meteor on 2018-01-19 01:53
Not sure when Ford switched from the split bronze bushings to the round plastic bushings, but I know for sure the bronze bushings were still used at least as late as 1959.
No idea when they switched but my 60 2dr. Ranchwagon had the bronze bushings.
My '61 had plastic bushings. They must have changed in 1961.
changed when they ran out
Let me add this just in case someone might want to use the information. I welded extra metal on the engine bracket I had and elongated the holes so I'd have an adjustment to let the bracket slide farther out for ease of installation. Also, the position of the ball was correct so I didn't change it's location. I also removed the clutch rod arm from the round body of the Z bar and positioned it closer to the engine and the pivot point farther forward of the original position. At the same time I extended the arm by adding 2" to it's length. That made it more horizontal to the clutch fork. I used a finger type clutch disk instead of the borg and beck style. The position of the clutch pedal was giving me fits keeping the same clutch adjustment and I removed the big spring on the clutch pedal arm inside the car. (be careful, it's dangerous when it comes loose). The spring connected to the clutch fork to frame was more than enough to return the clutch pedal. My Z bar used the bronze bushings. All this I had to do to make an easy shifting, easily adjustable clutch for the TkO 600 transmission.
Jim
It was always my understanding that the big spring inside was there to somehow assist in stepping on the clutch at some point. You went through a lot of work to tune up that clutch linkage. I'm glad that it worked out for you with the TKO 600 transmission. WOW! Jay
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2018-01-19 19:13
Jim
It was always my understanding that the big spring inside was there to somehow assist in stepping on the clutch at some point. You went through a lot of work to tune up that clutch linkage. I'm glad that it worked out for you with the TKO 600 transmission. WOW! Jay
That spring worked well with a Borg and Beck but foot pressure on a newer finger style clutch is a lot less. I tried everything I could to keep that spring and when I realized that was what was giving me problems and I got rid of it, it was fully adjustable from the top or bottom adjustments. I needed my clutch release as close to the top of the pedal as I could get it because of drag racing too.
Jay here is my Graffie ( Thats what we call junk in Austrian/Bavarian slang).
it came out ouf a 1953 Mercury that was equipped with a 1957 292 w/ manual trans. it looks as if some of the parts could actually be 1957 origin, but they sure did cobble it together. the bracket looks like it has a U joint cup welded in....
Yeah guys, I don't like the Ch*** orange paint either... :003:
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Guenter
Those pieces are for a 54 - 56 Ford. + Merc.
If I'm wrong someone will chime in.
John
Look at Guenter's orange inner bracket. Now we know what fits the strange looking 54 bracket in the shop on the 239 engine.
The inner bracket that we were looking for was found today in RI.
My thanks to everyone that responded to the request of what it is supposed to look like.
Our 57 Ford site is the best site on the internet.
Good to know that John now has the correct bracket.
Interesting info about the stuff I have. that 53 Merc came from Turkey and they had lots of American cars back in the day but were obviously short on spare parts. they used what they had, should have seen that poor Merc's front crossmember which was hacked for the Y block sump. It seems 54 Merc and Ford are somewhat odd design all around, they have many different parts that will not fit earlier or later. especially Y block parts. next time I visit my friend Reinhard in Vienna I will check his 54 Merc HT for the brackets and clutch equalizer assembly
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2018-01-21 04:40
Good to know that John now has the correct bracket.
Interesting info about the stuff I have. that 53 Merc came from Turkey and they had lots of American cars back in the day but were obviously short on spare parts. they used what they had, should have seen that poor Merc's front crossmember which was hacked for the Y block sump. It seems 54 Merc and Ford are somewhat odd design all around, they have many different parts that will not fit earlier or later. especially Y block parts. next time I visit my friend Reinhard in Vienna I will check his 54 Merc HT for the brackets and clutch equalizer assembly
Yes, 1954 Ford 239 and Merc 256 Y blocks had many one year parts that won't work with 55 and later Y's. Larger cam bearing journals, different dist drive gears, different timing cover and water pump just to name a few..
What Jim said about the 54 engine is true. There are all kinds of differences. I would never try to rebuild one of them because those internal pieces are for the most part unobtanium. The nice thing is that the stuff on the back like the bell housing still fits the later engines.
Looking at Guenter's clutch crossover reminded me that it was convenient of Ford to make it in the shape of a U. Back in the day, that allowed us to put dual exhaust in the 54 -56 and snake a left engine pipe into it. Haven't seen one of those in years.