Dirt Filled Rockers.....

[LAUDY57]

OK so here's the video of test #1, I've done test #2 but need to video it. Stay tuned, don't change the channel!

https://picasaweb.google.com/100786296601554262458/FluidFilmTest?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCKqs7ZuJiMKHBg&feat=directlink

The stuff that ran off the top of the sheet went around underneath onto the bottom surface and onto the vise (I guess my vise won't rust now!), it seemed the same consistency, wherever it went, and I just wiped it up with a rag. Test #2 is lighting a container of FF.

[JimNolan]

Jeff,
  I don't know if this will help you or not but I installed all new rockers, front to rear and even had to redo the passenger floor metal. I coated it with POR 15 paint inside the doors and passenger sides. There is two 1" rubber plugs that go in the front of the rocker and at the rear of the rockers where you have access to the inside. I used a harbor freight undercoat gun and a long aluminum pipe with holes drilled all around the end with the extreme end crimped. I used POR 15 Paint in the gun with about 50lbs of air blowing it through those little holes in the aluminum tube. You have to do front and back of the rocker. It was a mess. But. I had paint dripping out of my rocker weep holes for 3 hrs after I got through and I used a lot of paint. I had looked at the pattern of the paint spray in the yard and there's no way it didn't give me full coverage. Hopefully when I'm dead and gone 50 years from now someone will appreciate the damn mess I made doing it.

[LAUDY57]

The second test has been uploaded (at same address as first). Like I expected, if the pool of FF is contained the surface will burn. When on a flat piece of metal it will disperse and not continue burning.
What did the tests show, well,

1.   How easy it is to entertain me.
2.   The fluid film will stay on a vertical surface unless heated or wiped away.
3.   If the fluid can run down hill, even a slight slope, it will continue running as long as the metal is heated or it is again contained and allowed to pool.
4.   If FF is on a vertical panel that you want to cut or weld, the panel can be heated to make it run away and if there are holes for it to escape it will.
5.   Mineral Spirits will wipe away most of the FF. As it says on the can, FF will penetrate the metal (and displace the water) so heating the metal before welding would be advantageous.
I'm not going to worry about removing it in the future if it remains heatable when it's older. I'm going to talk with the guy who did his own environment test on this stuff compared to some others like WD40, last year I think, to see if he still has the test piece. I'll try heat on that.
  As much as I like products as POR-15 etc., I can't believe that you can get all the moisture out of the metal before painting it on unless you heat the metal (ever put a torch to steel that's been sitting outside?) so there will be moisture under the "paint" and galvanic corrosion can take place. That "paint" is supposed to convert surface rust but does it penetrate the metal and dispace the water? I don't know.

[gasman826]

Hats off to everyones efforts to rustproof their vehicles.  My rockers went nearly 50 years with the factory rustproofing...in other words, NOTHING.  I was in dealerships during the dealer installed rustproof craze.  Most of those vehicles did not last much longer than the untreated ones.  Increased rust protection or not, I absolutely HATED working on those sticky, POS.  I would rather work on rust than rustproofing.  I'm going with paint with paint treated with bed liner in the wear areas.  The only salt my car will likely see is Bonneville!!!

[LAUDY57]

Gasman, I agree. However, when you live in a rainforest climate like me you're going to get casught in the rain and water will go into all those nooks and crannys underneath etc.
Even if there's nothing my car's probably going to outlast me but at least I can say to the next owner (when I'm wheezing my last, rattling breath) it has been treated in the doors, tunk drops and anywhere else I can get the stuff into. My kids might get another penny or two. I don't think I would do it with eg. undercoating, seen that trap moisture when it chips/

[gasman826]

Next guy no way.  I bought five lots and am getting buried in mine!!!!  Gonna try to take it with me.

[Ecode70D]

LAUDY57
   You sure did put a lot of time in that demonstration and it is appreciated.
    Your garage is nice and clean also.

[LAUDY57]

Thanks for the compliments but the most time was waiting for the uploads to Picassa.
I'm looking at the can again and I don't see why I thought it has petroleum distillates - must have dreamt it, but that means the Mineral Spirits couldn't have cleaned it as well as I thought, what dissolves wool wax? I don't know.
BTW my shop isn't that clean, I put a light coloured floor in it because I thought, Ahah! -I'll see all those little things that I used to drop in the dirt! Nope. Now I can't distinguish them from all the pieces of crud or swarfe that are laying around.

[RICH MUISE]

Well that's a big relief to know. When I get a chance I'll check the 3m version. "Burns only when it's in a puddle"....I guess it's acting like a wax candle that only burns the liquid that's absorbed into the wick, and the wax itself never catches on fire
Thanks for checking that out, Lorne.
Hail...here's something else you probably don't have much of...temps all this week 100-107!

[LAUDY57]

100-107! That's how old I feel when I try to get up off the floor from under the car.

[F570RD]

My car,born and raised in Kansas,was pull from a salvage yard in Minnesota.After running it for a few years on the street it was time to race it.There was so much dirt falling from the cars rockers after my first hard burnout the look TJ Snow,a starting line guy who I had known for years, was priceless with discuss.I wasn't sure what he was pissed about until the BBQ that night.It was cleaned up by the next race.

[RICH MUISE]

All I found in my rockers were newspapers from 1975...Casper, wyoming. They used it for backing the bondo. Not sure that system was all that bad...the bondo was still in there 30 years later. The newspaper provided  some of the very little history I have on my car.

[Ecode70D]

[quote author=RICH MUISE
All I found in my rockers were newspapers from 1975...Casper, wyoming. They used it for backing the bondo. Not sure that system was all that bad...the bondo was still in there 30 years later. The newspaper provided  some of the very little history I have on my car. [/quote]


Rich....After 30 years were the panels starting to rust out at the edges of the Bondo?   I heard of people using papers, chicken wire and stuff like that for backing.  Seems to me that it would start to rust out as soon as it got wet inside.  Looks like they used what they had to keep em running in those days.

[RICH MUISE]

LOL..hard to tell...after 30 years, it was rusting around ALL the edges.
That was the way to do it back in the 70's...anything to support the bondo while it was setting up. I don't think too many people, particularly the younger crowd, were into the mindset of keeping their daily driver looking good for 20 years or so.

[Frankenstein57]

The Nevada ranchero I bought from Randy Conner last winter, had a pair of Jeans and a top stuffed into the inner roof behind the dome light. Kind of creepy, looked like a small woman or a child. Mark