oem throttle linkage puzzle

[RICH MUISE]

A few weeks ago, Whisper brought up the subject of the hard throttle linkage. He had mentioned his had a slot in it. The pic I posted of my oem linkage had a spoonshaped end on it. Jay (ecode57) sent me some pics last night of two different linkages, both removed from '57 Fords. One was like the one I had posted, but low and behold, the other had a slot in and had a pin. The slotted one however, does not appear to be like the one in the original pic that whisper posted.
I realize most of us have no way of knowing if a part had been fitted from another vehicle.
If there were two different linkages used on '57's, that also would mean there were two different gas pedals. I've never looked at the repros offered for sale, but I've never seen anyone offer different options either.
The interesting thing for me is, the '63 gas pedal I am working on has a verticle retainer which would work with the slotted linkage / pin. My oem gas pedal has a horizontal retainer the would work with the spoon end....so I'm thinking the slotted linkage Jay removed from a '57 parts car at one time began life on a later year model. Thoughts?

[Ecode70D]

Rich
   The  Calif. model 59A 2 door wagon that I picked up about two months still has the same linkage in it. It's just like the forward one in the picture with the slotted hole and the pin.  Don't know if Calif makes a difference but just thought that I should mention it.

    The spoon type one in the rear rear part of the  picture is just like the one in my model 70.  I could have messed up and  put the wrong one in it because I took it apart over 14 years ago. 

     So it is quite obvious that I have come in contact with both types of throttle linkage over the years.  I have had lots of 58s so maybe one type is out of a 58. 
Don't know for sure. Jay

[RICH MUISE]

Are you using the oem gas pedal in the 70D, or did you buy a repro?

[Ecode70D]

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  I just went out and removed the repro pedal from the  70D and found out that I have to retract my previous statement.  The 70D has the throttle linkage with the slotted hole also  and it was working fine with the repro. pedal in the picture.
     The upper repro pedal in the picture must be for the spoon type linkage.
     The used lower pedal is the one that comes with the slotted linkage.

    Sorry about my misstatement.
     

[whisper38]

The slotted linkage I had was from 1958 ford,least wise that is what year the motor is,I know that a lot of the trucks had the slots linkage in them.which is a shorter linkage rod on it,so repro gas pedal i had ordered off of @#$ay.com would not hook up to it,but a very nice person,send me the spoon type with the longer linkage on it,now everything is great.

[rmk57]

The slotted one is the same as my 70A. I cut the top portion of the bell crank and welded a piece of flat bar, drilled a hole and used a Lokar throttle cable assembly. Trying to modify the the stock linkage from the carb on down just wasn't going to work with my 460 swap.

[57dohc]

Is it possible that the linkage is different for cars fitted with overdrive?  Seems I remembered a "kickdown" feature in one of my old fords but that was a lot of years ago!  My 70B has the "slotted" linkage and it was a overdrive car.

[Ecode70D]

I took a look in my 57 and 58 Car shop manuals.

   57  Manual page 2-88  Figure 101  shows throttle linkage as in the picture with with hole for the mounting pin.

   58  Manual page 2-98  Figure 148  shows throttle linkage as the spoon type.

So  the throttle linkage that is in my mod. 70  correct.  The incorrect 58 gas pedal that I have will do for now until I get a 57 gas pedal.

[RICH MUISE]

With a forumn decoted for a one year make, I'm amazed we can still come up with new stuff once and a while to discuss. Great response guys.
Jay...Hard to tell from your pic...but is the old pedal's round clip is actually open at the top? If so, it is identical to mine that was used with the spoon shaped linkage.
It looks to me like the design of the repro pedal could be used with either? Where does the linkage pin fit in on the repro? I'm assuming thru one side of the bracket?
My 70A was a 6 cyl manual w/ no overdrive.

[Ecode70D]

[quote author=RICH MUISE link
Jay...Hard to tell from your pic...but is the old pedal's round clip is actually open at the top? If so, it is identical to mine that was used with the spoon shaped linkage.
It looks to me like the design of the repro pedal could be used with either? Where does the linkage pin fit in on the repro? I'm assuming thru one side of the bracket?
My 70A was a 6 cyl manual w/ no overdrive.[/quote]

Rich the old pedal is not open on the top.   It has a metal strip around the rubber inner piece.
  Well it is open a little but that looks like it is from old age.
   See pictures of old pedal loop.

[RICH MUISE]

That is the same as mine. Mine didn't have the rubber grommet, and it had spread open about 3/8 of an inch...I guess I never realized that wasn't how it was suppose to be. Wear marks on my old one looks like the linkage was riding on the pedal beside the clip (doesn't seem like that would be like the factory designed it). I'm sure glad I'm not trying to build a spec car...another minor thing that would drive you nuts trying to figure out.
Another detail to wonder about...on both my new '63 pedal, and my oem'57 pedal there is a metal tab on the backside, about 3" up from the bottom. Anybody know what that's for? I'm wondering if it's for a spring.
LOL...anyone have a pristine '57 that's never been touched?

[Ecode70D]

[quote author=RICH MUISE linkand a while to discuss.
It looks to me like the design of the repro pedal could be used with either? Where does the linkage pin fit in on the repro? I'm assuming thru one side of the bracket? [/quote]

     Rich It looks like the repro pedal could be used with either gas throttle bracket. The repro pedal has two starter holes on the inside of each of the tabs.  If you run a pick from one side to the other, it could be pinned.
     The picture is crummy, but you should be able to see the hole.  There is one on the inside of both of the high spots under the repro pedal. 
      This will not help you though because it looks like you need something that is open on the top. 

[Ecode70D]

Rich
     "metal tab"
    Look at picture 012 .   The right one has what looks like a metal tab and the left original one looks like the remnants of one.  Actually it is a rubber bumper under the pedal that is probably supposed to hit the floor first.  It does not look like it is for a spring.
     Earlier this morning, I sent a PM to whisper38 asking him what his incorrect epay gas pedal looks like.  Maybe he'll chime in later this evening and help clear things up.

     

[hiball3985]

I have an old replacement after market pedal that looks just like Jays, the box says 57-59 Ford, 59 Edsel. I don't know what goes into the two small holes that Jay described, some kind of a spring clip?

My Ranchero has the slotted linkage but with a home made metal pedal bolted to it that the PO installed so I don't have the original pin either. I think I'll just leave the metal pedal, it works fine 

[Ecode70D]

[quote author=hiball3985 link I have an old replacement after market pedal that looks just like Jays, the box says 57-59 Ford, 59 Edsel. I don't know what goes into the two small holes that Jay described, some kind of a spring clip? [/quote]

Jim
    It's very interesting that the box for  yours states 57-59.  Does yours have the holes like mine on the inside of the tab, but going only half way through? Look at my picture #011 and you will see one of the holes.    At least my repro one does work in my  car and will look correct for now until I get the right one for it.
     Is there any chance that you might post a picture of yours ?  Inquiring minds.
     In the 57 and 58 Ford car shop manuals, the picture of each pedal look similar except for the side view.
Jay