Wanting recommendation on which Fuel Pump to use with a EFI 351/Ranchero

[KYBlueOval]

Guys, I need to decide on a fuel pump for my EFI 351/5.8 L (1995 ) motor that will go in my Ranchero. Ranchero and Station Wagon gas tanks, as you know, are shaped differently. I'm interested in knowing what pump Forum Members have used that have this style Ranchero / Station Wagon  tank. I have a new Ranchero / Station Wagon tank and new fuel lines.  3/8' supply line and 5/16 return line. What "In The Tank" pump has been used successfully? As well, I'd like to know about rail mounted fuel pumps that Forum Members have used with EFI set ups.
What have you used? And what are the pluses and minuses of either set up?
I always get great advice here.............so fire away.
Thanks
John

[Ford Blue blood]

If your current tank is good there is a rail mounted pump from Rangers that will do the job as well.  It needs to be as close to the pickup as possible as it does not "suck" well.

John if you look at my "Ranchero build" thread you can see how I installed a 94 F150 rear tank in the car.  It is a fuel injection tank, the pump will meet the requirements for the 351 EFI.

[RICH MUISE]

John. When I was researching fuel pumps, I generally found info that said rail mounted pumps could be made to work, but the key words here are "made to work"....often guys had issues they had to go back and resolve....such as adding an inline fuel reervoir just before the pump so it didn't run dry on hard acceleration. As one member put it, running dry when you're trying to get on a Socal freeway is not good. I don't think anybody questions the best way to go is in-tank if it is practical for your application.
I can't answer any wagon style tank questions...don't even know for sure what an oem wagon/Ranchero tank looks like.
The Mustang forum guys like the Walbro pumps, that is what I had put in mine from Tanks Inc.. I've had zero fuel supply issues. As far as flow capacity, I went with a pump that was one step higher than the recommended. My 4.6 has a built in fuel pressure regulator on the fuel supply log on the engine, so having more fuel supply than needed was not an issue.
I went with 3/8 lines both ways because one 25 foot roll did both (NiCopp), of course with fairly long flex lines at both ends. Stainless braided in the engine compartment and goodyear multi cored at the tank for the flexible connections.
www.tanksinc.com has lots of info. Their in tank pump kit is what I used, but in particular look at their recessed installation plate/box.....http://www.tanksinc.com/index.cfm/page/ptype=product/product_id=370/category_id=167/mode=prod/prd370.htm
Once again all the above is in a passenger car setup...hopefully some or all of the info works for the Ranchero as well.

[canadian_ranchero]

if you check my 4.6 install under engine swaps you can see what i will be using

[KYBlueOval]

if you check my 4.6 install under engine swaps you can see what i will be using

Thanks for the information and lead on where to look for your swap.

[suede57ford]

The external electric pumps seem to have issues with overheating when driving on hot days.   As mentioned earlier, the rail mount is a get it running solution, buy a new tank and then figure out how to put an electric pump in side the tank with some sort of baffle.  Electric pumps mounted in the tank without some sort of a baffle have the issue of stalling and running out of fuel when cornering with a low tank.

We recently did a 55 & 57 Ranch Wagon 5.0 EFI installs where we trimmed the original trunk floor, made a panel and intalleded an aftermarket '57 cheby tank with built in baffles and they both work very well now.  The cheby tank has the filler on the same sid eas the wagon/ranchero.

[KYBlueOval]

The external electric pumps seem to have issues with overheating when driving on hot days.   As mentioned earlier, the rail mount is a get it running solution, buy a new tank and then figure out how to put an electric pump in side the tank with some sort of baffle.  Electric pumps mounted in the tank without some sort of a baffle have the issue of stalling and running out of fuel when cornering with a low tank.

We recently did a 55 & 57 Ranch Wagon 5.0 EFI installs where we trimmed the original trunk floor, made a panel and intalleded an aftermarket '57 cheby tank with built in baffles and they both work very well now.  The cheby tank has the filler on the same sid eas the wagon/ranchero.

Thanks for your input and advice. I have a friend that experienced an over heating issue with a rail mounted electric pump. He went with a new tank and in the tank pump. Problem solved.
At this point I like the "Tanks" , in the tank pump. I believe it is workable / doable.

[dgasman]

This is what I did with a wagon tank

[dgasman]

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[KYBlueOval]

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THANK YOU!!! That looks great and would be relatively easy to do.
Now, can I please ask what you used...........what brand etc. is the sending unit and what brand is the fuel pump. Also, since you have already made this conversion, what "issues" or "problems" are there in doing this? What is there to know about doing this that is not obvious?
Many Thanks
John

[RICH MUISE]

John...I'll ask a few specific questions because I know what I had to deal with on mine. The way his top pump plate is made may be better for the wagon/Rancheros than the Tanks Inc unit I used because his has the fittings at 90* from the top, whereas mine, if I remember correctly, had the ports facing up so I needed room for right angle fittings. Downside to that is I'm not sure if a roll over vent can be installed.

Dgasman: Nice set up! Thanks for posting. It would be nice to get as much info for future reference on this as posible, so I'll ask some questions....
1. Is the wagon tank the same as a Ranchero tank?
2. is there access from the top for plumbing and wiring installation and maintenance?
3. is there enough room for the vent fittings and tubing as you have the units oriented because of it's closeness to the sending unit?
4. is there a baffle/slosh pan on this unit?
5. I assume the smaller of the two units is the sending unit, is it available in different ohms ranges?
6. any issues with routing the fuel lines that could have been resolved by another location or orientation if posible. (as I had on mine, lol)

[KYBlueOval]

John...I'll ask a few specific questions because I know what I had to deal with on mine. The way his top pump plate is made may be better for the wagon/Rancheros than the Tanks Inc unit I used because his has the fittings at 90* from the top, whereas mine, if I remember correctly, had the ports facing up so I needed room for right angle fittings. Downside to that is I'm not sure if a roll over vent can be installed.

Dgasman: Nice set up! Thanks for posting. It would be nice to get as much info for future reference on this as posible, so I'll ask some questions....
1. Is the wagon tank the same as a Ranchero tank?
2. is there access from the top for plumbing and wiring installation and maintenance?
3. is there enough room for the vent fittings and tubing as you have the units oriented because of it's closeness to the sending unit?
4. is there a baffle/slosh pan on this unit?
5. I assume the smaller of the two units is the sending unit, is it available in different ohms ranges?
6. any issues with routing the fuel lines that could have been resolved by another location or orientation if posible. (as I had on mine, lol)

Rich, thanks for your questions . The more I know the better.
I can answer only one question here that you asked.........yes the Ranchero Tank is the same as a Wagon Tank.
I'll now wait for a reply from Dgasman. I really like what he has done here to solve this issue.
John

[dgasman]

The pump is from aeromotive , one of their phantom in tank units. The sender is from classic intsterments , it's one of the tube senders not a swing arm type of sender and they come in different lengths and ohms . The only issue and it really isn't a issue is you have to remove the pick up tube in the tank and remove the the bulkhead fitting on the side of the tank . Once you cut off the top you will spread the sides of the tank out , this will give you more flat area for the pump module . There is room to install the fuel lines with the tank installed but it's easier to install with the tank down . The wagons vent from the gas cap so you really don't need to use the vent on the pump module . I did install a secondary vent rollover valve in the fuel filler tube. There is no problem with fuel line routing and with the wagon tank this is the only place you can install the pump. This is not a inexpensive route to go but it is less than a custom tank and WAY better than a external pump . I know because I have been there and done that

[dgasman]

Here is a pic of the fill tube that I have the vent line installed on . I installed the A N fitting for my fuel return when I had the external fuel pump on the car .

[KYBlueOval]

Here is a pic of the fill tube that I have the vent line installed on . I installed the A N fitting for my fuel return when I had the external fuel pump on the car .

Dgasman..............great information sir. Thank you. a couple of follow up questions. The vent you installed on the filler tube......you used a rollover valve in a flexible tube with AN fittings..........brought it up as high as you could in the fender and then did a 180 degree bend? And by doing this you can eliminate the vent on the fuel pump module.........correct?
As I have not been "inside" my tank, I'm not aware of the bulkhead fitting you refer to. I guess I'll see if once I cut the portion off the top as you did. Same for the pick up tube?  I'm not clear on your description of cutting off the top and   "you will spread the sides of the tank out"  . Can you further explain this. Are you saying hammer and dolly work to make room for the pump and sender?
Many thanks !
John