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Started by alltin33, 2021-06-23 07:37

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alltin33

 Do all 57s have 9 inch differentials?

Ford Blue blood

Yes, except the trucks.
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lalessi1

Yes. The rear end was a new design for 1957. It moved the pinion gear down in the carrier to lower the driveshaft. This allowed a lower tunnel/floor allowing a lower design for the car. It also dramatically increased the strength of the rear end. "Longer, lower, and wider" design theme for the first time.
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hiball3985

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Quote from: Ford Blue blood on 2021-06-23 07:54
Yes, except the trucks.
57 and up 1/2 ton F100 had the 9" also, housing was different but the 3rd member was the same.  F250 had Dana..
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Ecode70D

Quote from: hiball3985 on 2021-06-23 12:03
57 and up 1/2 ton F100 had the 9" also, housing was different but the 3rd member was the same.  F250 had Dana..

X2 What Jim stated.  I like them so much better than the Dana.

Ford Blue blood

Yup, you guys are correct.  Forgot, my 73 had a "N" 9" in it, the 48 was a Dana.
Certfied Ford nut, Bill
2016 F150 XLT Sport
2016 Focus (wife's car)
2008 Shelby GT500
57 Ranchero
36 Chevy 351C/FMX/8"/M II

brushwolf

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How far into the 60's was the nine inch used on all full size Ford cars?  I have 57's, 58's, 61's, 63, 76 and every last one had a 9 inch, no matter whether a 6 cy or 8 cyl. Granted most were either Y block or FE motors, but I have a base model 61 stripper 4 door with a 6 cyl that is also a nine inch. The only variant to that I have noticed was the 8 inch in Fairlane and Torino in some smaller cars with small motors getting the 8 inch instead. So, there were many years where a 9 inch will be found in virtually every full size Ford, not just 57's...
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RICH MUISE

9" in later models, yes, but some are wider than our '57s.
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hiball3985

Quote from: RICH MUISE on 2021-06-24 14:23
9" in later models, yes, but some are wider than our '57s.
Rich I think he was asking about the 3rd member, I maybe wrong. So yes the axle housings are all over the place depending on year. The 3rd members are mostly interchangeable except some models used a different axle spline count. Just as a note the 57 3rd member was a one year only design but you can use a later one. Not sure when the design changed? Mid/late 57 or not until 58. 
JIM:
HAPPY HOUR FOR ME IS A GOOD NAP
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1960 F100 Panel
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brushwolf

Yep, "differential" to me means the gear carrier and its components when the topic is a Ford 8" or 9". Probably means different things to different people, but I replied on that basis because the OP had used that terminology, differential rather than axle.  If we were talking about an 8.8 differential I would however be inclined to think "differential" ="whole axle" cuz no dropout carrier. Just how I refer to them.



51 Victoria
55 Crown Victoria
55 Dodge Royal 2 Dr hdtp
56 Mercury Montclair 2 dr hdtp
57 Ford Sunliner
57 Ford Skyliner
57 Chev Bel Air 2 dr hdtp
57 Dodge Custom Royal 2 dr hdtp (factory hemi)
58 Ford Skyliner
58 Fairlane 500 4 dr
59 Thunderbird
60 Impala 2 dr hdtp
61 Galaxie Sunliner
62 Thunderbird

59meteor

Ford did install an integral style rear axle assembly, in full sized cars, with a cast center casting and a sheet metal cover, similar to a 10 or 12 bolt Chevy, or 7 1/2 or 8.8 later Ford. Not sure when they started using them, but I know a guy with a 69 Galaxie with one. I believe they were called an 8 1/2". Ford also used a 9 3/8" "drop out" , similar to a 9", but slightly larger, yet weaker at the same time. The 9 3/8" was commonly used in big Fords, Thunderbirds and Lincolns. Every one that I have seen was 31 spline, and often had a limited slip unit, but only with tall gear ratios, often 2.80 or 3.00. The 9 3/8" 3rd member will fit into a 9" housing, if you notch the housings gasket flange to allow the larger ring gear to fit. But with the weaker casting, and limited ratio selection, not much reason to.                                                          As for swapping different 9" center sections, in addition to 28 vs 31 spline, other things to keep in mind are some cases have a filler plug for checking and adding gear oil, but some housings had the plug in them, so they are lacking a fill plug in the cast case. So you could potentially have 2 points to add fluid, or none. Also, Ford used a wide variety of driveshaft pinion flange yokes, with different sized U joint cup diameters, widths, and U bolt sizes, as well as a number of different flange lengths.
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hiball3985

Lots of good points made about the differences. I had to use one without the filler hole one time years ago and required adding the lube through the axle tube before installing the axle and with the car jacket up higher on one side  :005:
JIM:
HAPPY HOUR FOR ME IS A GOOD NAP
The universe is made up of electrons, protons, neutrons and morons.
1957 Ranchero
1960 F100 Panel
1966 Mustang

Rancher

Yup, I learned  the fill location lesson  long ago. :002:
I believe '60-up was the change.

I suppose the vent or a removed stud's location could be used as fill point also?

alvin stadel

Jim, about 25 years ago I had to fill my diff. the same way. Pulled the axle and put in correct amount of oil, and am still driving it today. Never has leaked so I guess it is still ok.

mustang6984

 :003: Put the car on a rotisserie...flip it over...fill the diff via the drain plug...flip it back...drive on.  :005:

Just kidding...my mind is a bit warped today...okay...EVERY day...but I had to it out today!  :002:
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