"Jay..be careful with that ''little lock tailpiece''..they are not being made any more that I know of and hard to find."
Rich... If you are out there, I'm sure that you will see this question.
When I changed that "little lock tailpiece" from my worn out door latch assembly and installed it in the one that you send me, I used the same step pin/pivot piece. I just ground a little off the original peaned over edge and re-assembled everything on your assembly. Then I welded a new top on it to hold everything together. It works fine and everything is tight.
Now for my question. What did you do? Did you use the same step pin or did you nut and bolt it together?
I'm always here in the shadows..LOL. You kinda lost me with your explination. The little cast tailpiece is not "attached" to the latch per say. The lock mechanism is installed after the latch is installed. The tailpiece is held into the lock mechanism with a spring, and is installed into the door as an assembly, guiding the two tailpiece posts up into the appropriate holes in the latch. The center post is just to stabilize the mechanizm, while the post that is a bent arm..like a sugaro cactus is the one that moves the latch from lock to unlock. If they are not lining up correctly, take the lock back out and rotate the tailpiece 180*. got some pics somewhere..I'll try to find them if you need them.
I'm not sure why your tailpiece had a peaned over edge.
The pic I'm posting is a comparison of the original tailpiece/lever, and some shorter ones I found on ebay. But it does show it as it is assembled to the lock mech.
I probably made all that clear as mud.
ps..the posts on the tailpiece do not have to be held in..once everything is in place, they just pass thru the holes in the flange and can't back out once the lock is clipped in tight.
Rich
I said it wrong..... I'm not talking about those pieces in the picture and I'm not having any problems with them. I kinda thought tail piece was the name for the locking lever that had to be removed from my old one and put on the good one from you. It's held on with a step pin that is peened over to hold it in place. I had to grind the peened section off the pin to take it apart, and put it back together with the same step pin. I reused the ground off step pin and just welded the tip of it to make up for where I ground it off.
Anyways it is all back together. Everything is adjusted and the door closes tightly against the B post like it is supposed to.
Sorry to have confused you.
Jay
I wasn't aware anything was missing on the latch I sent you..sorry if there was. or are you talking about the long rods that run to the door lock button mechanism and door handle and are held on with rod clips??
LOL..this is funny, if either one of us knew the proper terms for the thingies we're trying to describe it would be alot easier. Anyway..sounds like you got it figured out, and really glad to hear your door closes now! way to go.
Rich
Somehow I thought that the new one came without the door lock lever, and that you had to take it off to make yours work. Now I know why you didn't know what I meant by the step pin that holds the missing lock lever in place.
Yes I figured it out and took the missing piece off of my old one. There was nothing to it.
Nope I wasn't talking about the long rods.
You'r right... If we knew the names of those things,we wouldn't be having this dumb conversation that I shouldn't have started in the first place.
I'm very thankful that you sent me that one because mine was just plain worn out. You bailed me out.
Jay
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2013-02-14 22:32... You'r right... If we knew the names of those things ...
I wish I knew exactly what pieces either of you were talking about! :102:
Exactly what part of the lock the 'tailpiece' is in that pic Rich posted ...
BUT much more importantly exactly what Rich sent you. Maybe I can figure out why my drivers door is so hard to get latched. I think it is just alignment, but may be something more.
A good picture, (or 2 or 3 :002: ), is worth a thousand words.
'Double Throw Down Step pins'... '3/4 Race Lock Lever Cams'... 'Sugaro Cactus Arm Pivot Flanges'.
It's all so confusing! :087: :icon_eyes:
;D
Quote from: Tom S on 2013-02-15 01:56
It's all so confusing! :087: :icon_eyes:
;D
The only thing I can figure out is the lock thingy..... :005:
Somewhere I've got some good pictures of the latch assembly. I'll find them and get them posted. I still don't know what Jay is talking about. I sent him a passenger side latch assembly that I thought was complete, but apparently wasn't. I'm guessing when he got the latch from me and compared it to his old one, his had a piece on it that mine didn't, so he took that part of his to make the one I sent him complete. There are so many pieces in those, it's hard to describe.
The cactus discription...sorry about that, I knew Jay had been to Arizona and would know what I was talking about, although I probably spelled it wrong. The attached pic is a cat tree I made last week from one that came from Connie's uncle's ranch when he was a kid. (they are illegal to cut down now.
Tom..what I was calling the lock tailpiece is the little casting with two arms that snaps into the key cylinder lock and is held in place with the spring. You can clearly see the spring in the pic. A common problem with the locks is either the tailpiece fatigues and breaks, or the end of the key cylinder where the tailpiece fits in fatigues and breaks. The key cylinders are reproduced and can be found easily. Not the case with the tailpiece.
some latch pics. The only ones I could find are of drivers side. The older one with the green wire ties is the original. The other one is a NOS '57 Mercury latch that I adapted to fit the Ford. I didn't have a good pic of the passenger side I sent Jay.
Jay..look at the pic with the green tie keeping the rod clip. Is the piece you were talking about the one the tie goes thru? If it is ...I've got egg on my face 'cause I may have removed it from the one I sent you to use to modify the Merc latch. Opps! I thought I had butchered up the old driver's side latch for that part, but maybe I used the passenger side if I could have knowing they are easier to find than the driver's latch. I had forgotten about that 'til I pulled up these pics with the Merc latch. I worry about me sometimes.
Quote from: RICH MUISE on 2013-02-15 08:40
Jay..look at the pic with the green tie keeping the rod clip. Is the piece you were talking about the one the tie goes thru? If it is ...I've got egg on my face 'cause I may have removed it from the one I sent you to use to modify the Merc latch. Opps! I thought I had butchered up the old driver's side latch for that part, but maybe I used the passenger side if I could have knowing they are easier to find than the driver's latch. I had forgotten about that 'til I pulled up these pics with the Merc latch. I worry about me sometimes.
Dear egg on your face.(Smile) Now that we have a good picture I will not be using make up names.
The lever with the green tie wrap holding the clip is the one that I replaced. Look closely at the picture. That large round 3/4" thing on the other end of the lever is the pin that I removed. In your picture it is half shaded.
That pin has a 3/4 " head as seen.
Below the round head is a 3/8" diameter step that the lever rotates on.
The rest of the pin is 1/4"
The pin is pushed through the lock lever and out the other side of the latch housing and swedged /riveted in place holding everything into place.
So now everything is cleared up.
The only thing that can be learned or gained by this useless thread is that. The pins that hold the assorted parts on a latch assembly can be removed and replaced by welding them back on if you don't have a new one.
Tom this is the best I can do without using make up words. Like you said "A picture is worth a thousand words ". It was fun trying to confuse you though. How do you know that Rich and I didn't just cook this up for that reason?
I don't want to confuse things even more, but just for the record I also used a green tie to hold the clip to the lever so that it would not get lost. Go figure how did we both come up with the exact same idea. I guess that from now on we will have to use green ties to hold parts together or things just will not go right.
Jay
OK...now that we have that sorted out...Tom...exactly what problems are you having with your door not latching? Is the door partially latching, so it won't open but still not closed tightly?
Shoot! I just got about a 1000 red tie wraps not sure now if they're ford compatible.
Zap- :unitedstates:
Zap..that there that's funny!
Just save em' for a swap meet...you know..those places where you can find every Chevy part you ever wanted. (No, I'm not implying you ever wanted a chevy part)
Jay,
Just shave them! Lol :003:
Tim
Quote from: 57 Ford Kustom on 2013-02-15 15:31
Jay,
Just shave them! Lol :003:
Tim
That's not funny at all. My daughter is building a 57 wagon and shaved everything, I could have killed her :005: LOL
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2013-02-15 10:01
I guess that from now on we will have to use green ties to hold parts together or things just will not go right.
Damn! Jay got the quote thing in that post right that time! (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/TomIII/smilies/wings.gif)
Quote from: Zapato on 2013-02-15 11:41
Shoot! I just got about a 1000 red tie wraps not sure now if they're ford compatible.
Zap, I'm screwed too. Ain't got no green twist ties at all. But shouldn't Ford ones be blue? Black would be ok too. I thought the green ones were only for Jag parts. These guys may have made a serious mistake that could result in dire consequences. Next thing ya know they will be putting Lucas, ('Prince of Darkness'), electrical parts in their Fords. (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/TomIII/smilies/uhoh.gif)
Quote from: RICH MUISE on 2013-02-15 10:37Tom...exactly what problems are you having with your door not latching? Is the door partially latching, so it won't open but still not closed tightly?
Yeah, somethin' like that. Like it's caught at a first step(??) of latching but still far from closed. Really have to slam it hard & maybe try to pull up at the same time to get fully latched & closed. Probably alignment, I know it is off. Ain't gonna get into it until I actually try to fix it.
Still a bit confused on some of the parts you guys mentioned. But it doesn't really matter now so don't spend much, if any, time, answering. I have already spent way too much just time messin' with ya.
The two latches Rich posted a pic of sure do have some differences though. Marked some up in the pic.
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/TomIII/DOORLATCHES.jpg)
Oh, BTW, I know what those saguaro cactus look like. But I don't like cats. :sad3: :icon_madu:
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/TomIII/cats-sun2.jpg)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/TomIII/cats-sun.jpg)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/TomIII/smilies/chuckle.gif)
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2013-02-15 20:52
That's not funny at all. My daughter is building a 57 wagon and shaved everything, I could have killed her :005: LOL
Hiball, Mine is very clean shaven! :003: As a mater of fact the only thing left is the side trim, and even that has been simplified and shortened. As I said earlier "That's what makes a horse race" Lol.
Tim :unitedstates:
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2013-02-15 20:52That's not funny at all. My daughter is building a 57 wagon and shaved everything, I could have killed her.
Quote from: 57 Ford Kustom on 2013-02-16 05:03
Hiball, Mine is very clean shaven! :003: ...
Emm.... You guys
are talking about the cars, right? (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/TomIII/smilies/uhoh.gif)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/TomIII/smilies/hide.gif)
Quote from: Tom S on 2013-02-16 05:18
Emm.... You guys are talking about the cars, right? (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/TomIII/smilies/uhoh.gif)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/TomIII/smilies/hide.gif)
You never know :003:
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2013-02-16 06:31You never know :003:
Well, you know how these guys always want pix .... :naughty: :002:
It was your post & the way it was worded that got my mind going that way in the first place. (Like it had to go far (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/TomIII/smilies/brows.gif))
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/TomIII/smilies/hawt.gif)
So, I'm blaming you. Again! (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/TomIII/smilies/Judge1.gif) (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/TomIII/smilies/roflao1.gif)
Now you have got me started :toothy12:, I'm not sure you want to open this can of worms and I'm not ready to get banned yet
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2013-02-16 08:50I'm not sure you want to open this can of worms ...
Me?!
Nope, don't wanna go to banned camp either. (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/TomIII/smilies/uhoh.gif)
OK guys..not to change the subject back to the subject, but...
Tom...I replied to this but I guess I forgot to hit the post button, so here it is again. It sounds like your latching problem is a simple fix. If it's only catching one one tooth, the striker plate on the Jamb is too far in. Put some tape on the jamb so you can move it out without losing your height adjustment. The 3 nuts encapsulated in the door jamb sometimes get loaded with crap around them so you don't get all the adjustment that was designed. They may need to get cleaned out, or encouraged with a plastic mallet. As far as height adjustment, there is a roller behind the door latch starwheel that rides up on the lower plate on the striker. It should raise the door by about 1/16" as it rolls in. There is no adjustment in the door latch..it's all in the striker plate. Anyway...moving the striker outwards from it's current position should allow the gear to catch that second tooth.
Tom..guys...since I posted the pic of the ford/merc latches for comparison and you pointed out two of the three main differences, I'll post a few more showing the 3rd difference and the fixes.
Nos drivers side latches are almost imposible to find. I bought this nos Merc latch off ebay in the hopes it would work, and with the mentioned 3 mods it will. Fortunatly for us, the merc latch can be made to work in the fords, but a ford latch can't be made to work in a merc.
The starwheel housing/and gear on the merc latch protrudes 3/16 further out than the ford, so I made a nylon plate to install between the inside of the door and the latch.
The arrows you added to my pic(thanks) for the difference in levers that the door button activates was fixed by adding a screw for the button to hit. You can see on the old latch that dark spot on the lever where the door button was hitting.
The circles you added (thanks again) show the bracket that is actuated with the inside door lock button. On our cars by the wing window..apparently on the merc it's above the outside door handle area because the rod attaching point was at the wrong angle. That's the part I had cut off the one I sent to Jay and had forgotten about.
Rich
How in the world did you ever figure out that the star wheel housing and the bolt pattern of the Mercury latch assembly would line up with the respective holes in the Ford door?
I never would have been able to figure that out just by pictures on evilbay. Good deduction.
Jay
Quote from: Tom S on 2013-02-16 03:41
Damn! Jay got the quote thing in that post right that time!
Yeah, but I only get the quote thing right in about one time in three or four tries. It will be a loooong time before I can do that multiple quote thing like you did in that most recent post.
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2013-02-16 16:54
Rich
How in the world did you ever figure out that the star wheel housing and the bolt pattern of the Mercury latch assembly would line up with the respective holes in the Ford door?
I never would have been able to figure that out just by pictures on evilbay. Good deduction.
Jay
That was the easy part...I crossed my fingers.
having read thru all this am starting to understand why bear claw latches are so popular.
Zap- :unitedstates:
Quote from: RICH MUISE
That was the easy part...I crossed my fingers.
/quote]
So Rich
You just took a chance that it might fit and it did with minor alterations.
The good thing is that you opened the door for 57 guys to a possible alternate source for getting that particular part if you can find it, or if it is available. Now we know that we can use the Mercury ones. Did you mention what year Merc.?
Jay
Tom
I messed up the quote again on that last post. Looks like I might have to back to quote school.
Jay :
When I saw it on ebay, it was advertised as a 1957 Ford Mercury, door latch. It had a Mercury part number. If you took pics from all 6 sides of the mercury latch, only one view would show the Mercury latch identical to the ford latch. They only had one pic posted..can you guess which one it was? As it turned out, I'm glad he posted it that way, if I saw it was different, I may not have figured out whether or not I could adapt it in time to bid on it. Aditionally he had it listed as a passenger side latch, which I knew was incorrect, but probably saved me some $. I was high bidder at about 35 bucks...cheap enough to warrant the chance I couldn't use it and have to resell...very good seller though..he offered to take it back and return my $. It wouldn't surprise me to see a nos 57 ford drivers latch for upwards of 2-300. I have never seen one though.
Well it is good to know that we can use it when one shows up again.
I wonder how my right hand side one would have gotten so badly worn out. The left side one is the one that gets the most use. I compared my right one yours very carefully. In addition to the extreme excess play and the worn axis that it spun on, even the teeth on my star wheel were worn down.
My right striker plate was in nice condition. Things got changed over the years, so who knows?
Look at the white stuff that just started to come down.
Rich Those ruts in the road are Rt 58 in front of my house.
RT 58 takes you to Rt 495 which takes you to Cape Cod. On a good day I could make it there in 20 -25 minutes in my 34 Ford Convertible. Today ain't a good day.
This is one of the cars that I am forced to drive on a good day because my late model car ain't finished.
No it does not have a Y block. It has some sort of an underhead valve V8 engine. At least I don't have to worry about leaky rocker covers. I built this car over 40 years ago.
I'm snow bound today so I might as well amuse myself and dream about summer and driving old cars before we lose power again..
I saw on the internet this morning the cape was expected to get another 6-12 inches..can't be good on top of what's already on the rooftops. I saw on one of your posts last week where people were charging 500-1k to clean off roofs. When I was in Colorado during some of the big fires if I remember correctly..maybe it was 9-11, the state issued warnings that anybody caught price gouging would be prosecuted. Sounds like Mass needs something like that...but that won't fit in with eastern politics I know.
Forced to drive that old thing..I'll just bet there's not a whole lot of arm twisting going on! Gorgeous car..always liked the '34's better than 32's. Love that red paint...but what's going on with your louvers there?
Rich
That's some sort of a reflection that came out crummy after I downloaded the picture. When you blow the picture up, it looks better.
When I first restored the car, I painted it black lacquer. I did that Porsche Indian red Centari job in 1980. In hind sight, maybe I should have left it black. But at least I still have the car after all these years.
The major problem with this car is that rumble seat. It makes life real tough when going out of state on a trip. It's hard to get suit cases in and out without scratching the paint even with a blanket on the quarter panel.. Every single convertible I built after this one, I did not install a rumble seat.
I like the 34s better than the 32s also. No leg room in the 32s. Last time I counted, I restored about 8 or 9 34 convertibles.
Ecode70D:
Beautiful 34. Built 40 years ago, I sure wish I had a couple of the cars I had 40 years ago. You were certainly one of the wise ones and a good builder, too. Yeah, that East Coast weather can get harsh, but given the view you showed of the white stuff looking down on Rt 58, your place during the Spring, Summer and Fall must look incredibly beautiful. Good luck getting through this latest weather and keep on keepin on.
Bob
57 AGIN
Rich,
In Colorado you just drag em' out in the street and shot em' for price gouging :003: Lol
Tim :unitedstates:
Jay,
The sun is out up here in Vt. But, with the wind chill it is near 0 degrees. I almost wished we had the snow!
Tim :unitedstates:
Quote from: 57AGIN on 2013-02-17 14:00
Ecode70D:
B Yeah, that East Coast weather can get harsh, but given the view you showed of the white stuff looking down on Rt 58, your place during the Spring, Summer and Fall must look incredibly beautiful. Good luck getting through this latest weather and keep on keepin on.
Bob57 AGIN
Bob You are right. This area is very beautiful during the summer spring and fall.
The sedan is my summertime daily driver and parts chaser. I built this one in 86. 302 automatic 9 " rear.
The 40 deluxe coupe is mostly original right on down to the interior and jump seats. It even has the matching number transmission that matches the frame # and the title. The only major change is that I repainted it black about 20 years ago for my customer whom I bought it from just before he passed he passed away. It's the only old car I ever owned that I didn't have to restore.
That's the last of my 3 window coupes. It got sold about 5 years ago.
Tim You don't really wish that you had the snow do you?
I gotta get the quote thing right in this letter, or I'll hear from Tom.
Well things are looking good... My lights are still on.
PS That's not a patch panel on the bottom of the sedan right door. Must be a reflection of the running board.
Quote from: RICH MUISE on 2013-02-16 09:17It sounds like your latching problem is a simple fix. If it's only catching one one tooth, the striker plate on the Jamb is too far in.
Maybe. I did see your post telling Ecode the same thing & was going to investigate that possibility. If it is it ain't by much. Remember, it will close all the way with some effort.
Quote from: Tom S on 2013-02-16 03:41... Really have to slam it hard & maybe try to pull up at the same time to get fully latched & closed. Probably alignment, I know it is off. Ain't gonna get into it until I actually try to fix it.
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2013-02-17 11:53This is one of the cars that I am forced to drive on a good day ...
Oh, you poor baby. :'( Forced huh? What a shame. :064:
For many years now unless it is already pouring down before I go out I have been
forced to ride this, & sometimes some others, in the summer.
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/TomIII/Buell/Hope015crop.jpg)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/TomIII/Buell/LongLakeS13.2.jpg)
Summer before last I was also
forced into riding this one.
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/TomIII/Tulliuspic2-2.jpg)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/TomIII/Ducati/Duc-uncluttered5.jpg)
That '34 is a beauty!
Quote from: Tom S date=1361251249
For many years now unless it is already pouring down before I go out I have been forced to ride this, & sometimes some others, in the summer.
Tom
If the gas keeps going up in price like is doing now, I'm going to be forced to buy one of those bikes off of you. You have too many of them anyways. That will buy me some time when I take out my Y block and install a big electric motor in my car. The major problem will be the long extension cord that I'm going to need. Haven't figured that out yet.
Did you follow that neat thread on the Hamb about unchopping the 57 Ranchero? Go to page 27 and you will find a 57 Ranchero like yours. Oh by the way did you ever get the side trim stainless that you need for your car?
LOL...things change so fast on the hamb, by the time you typed page 27, it was probably on 29 or 30. Did you ever notice when your brousing the thread titles, and you get to the bottom and click on the "next page"...that next page has a bunch of the last ones you just looked at already moved back a page.
If you ever have a month with nothing to do...check the vintage photos thread. I got hooked on it the other night for an hour and a half....went thru about 20 pages...only 3,280 pages left to go!
There's a long thread going on "shop tips your mentor showed you"..got some really interesting shop tips in it.
Rich
I'm not worried. Tom will find the 57 Ranchero with the Edsel nose.
I like to read good shop tips.
The thread that you pointed out about unchopping the 57 Ranchero is great. He sure does have a nice collection of new 57 sheetmetal.
Jay
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2013-02-19 13:32... forced to buy one of those bikes off of you. ..... Did you follow that neat thread on the Hamb about unchopping the 57 Ranchero? ..... did you ever get the side trim stainless ...
Bikes, ... do you ride? Have you? Much? The possibility of having the acceleration of a 'Supercar' for a tenth, or much less, of a supercar's price is great. Think perfectly streetable sub-10 second 1/4 & 185-190 mph top speeds. Right off the showroom floor for ~14-15K.
I think my Roadster is probably a hair quicker than any bike I now own but I can use the power & superior acceleration on the bikes without attracting nearly that much attention. By using good judgment hardly any attention at all.
No, haven't been following that thread on HAMB. I think I found the thread a while back but it took a lot of digging around. Don't know why people don't post a link when they bring these things up.
Yes, I got the stainless trim quite a while ago. I have mentioned it before, thought you saw it.
Quote from: Ecode70D... Tom will find the 57 Ranchero with the Edsel nose....
??
Man, this has gone
way off the subject of door latches!
It wasn't a thread I was talking about, it was his photo album. That's why I mentioned his hamb name..just go to his profile and it'll show the different albums he has.(ExStreamliner)
He does however have a long thread on the Ranchero also...don't know the exact title of it though..something about unchopping a ranchero.
I don't know how to paste links.
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2013-02-19 13:32Did you follow that neat thread on the Hamb about unchopping the 57 Ranchero? Go to page 27 and you will find a 57 Ranchero like yours.
I guess you are talking about this ...
(http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=24589&pictureid=349079)
In this page 27 post ...
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7244937&postcount=538
In this thread ...
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=567430
Yes. I have seen that one before. With those scallops that is kinda 'loud' for my taste.
These are a
bit more subtle. (If you can call an Edsel nose 'subtle'. They never were!)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/TomIII/Ranchero/wmcarshow-012.jpg)
This side trim sucks.
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/TomIII/Ranchero/1b_121.jpg)
Like the color on this one ...
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/TomIII/Ranchero/Edsel-ranchero.jpg)
But not the 'horseshoe' in the grille. Better ...
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/TomIII/Ranchero/Edsel-ranchero-Copy.jpg)
Quote from: RICH MUISE on 2013-02-19 23:18I don't know how to paste links.
:o Click URL to highlite, right click & select 'copy', paste into the post.
Rich, did you try it?
Here is the URL to 'Exstreamliner's' albums.
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/album.php?u=79389
I like that little bob tailed T. 'Sept fer the mill. : (
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/album.php?u=79389
I tried it. Thanks
and speaking of door latches..I love the way the grilles on those edsels wrap around the fender. Kinda the same idea I think as the Canadian '57 Fords. I just don't like the big oval grille..Strange though...I always liked the lincoln big rectangular grilles. How clean looking that Edsel nose would be if the oval wasn't there and the hood and grille just went straight across. I've seen custom '57 fords with those bumpers also..guess I never realized they were edsel.
I take back the bumper thing..the ones I had seen were much smaller.
The oval Edsel grille always sorta-kinda reminded me of a 32 Ford grille, or at least it's grille shell. Ford's first grille & about my favorite.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8018/7150128111_e8ec899041_z.jpg)
That said, I think the 56 & 57 Ford grilles are the best.
Door latch. (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/TomIII/smilies/lol.gif)
Have always thought those Edsel front bumpers a bit o the heavy side, would look a lot cleaner with a nice section taken right out of the middle.
Now to get back on subject anyone know if the Edsel door latches are compatible with our 57s? :nutkick:
Zap- :unitedstates:
Yes, the 58 Edsel doors are identical in every respect to 57 - 58 Ford doors.
[quote author=RICH MUISE
..I love the way the grilles on those edsels wrap around the fender. Kinda the same idea I think as the Canadian '57 Fords. I've seen custom '57 fords with those bumpers also..guess I never realized they were edsel.
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Rich I like the way they wrap around the fender also. Could you have been thinking about mid 50s Pontiac? Seems to me that they wrapped around a little also.
Tom The scolloped one is too loud and the Edsel grill does sorta/kinda remind me of a deuce grill. I suppose that If I had it, I could always primer the body and dye the seats to one color. Check your PM.
Quote from: Zapato link=topic=3945.msg25443#msg25443date=1361344630Have always thought those Edsel front bumpers a bit o the heavy side ....
Door latch.
I agree. Section taken of the middle? What middle?
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2013-02-20 10:23Check your PM.
Didn?t get one from you.
Do you hit the 'Preview' button & scroll up to read it before you hit the 'Post' button?
For the quote thing to work you have to be sure that these brackets >>> [ ] are in place. The one behind the long 'date' number that shows up before it is actually posted is missing in your 'quote' posts. It is real easy for that to get eliminated when editing the quote. Easy to put it, >>> ], back in. :002:
Oh! Door latch!
Quote from: Tom S on 2013-02-20 13:08
Door latch.
Didn?t get one from you.
Tom I just sent you another PM Jay
I do hit he preview button, but it does not always come out like I want it.
Quote from: Tom S on 2013-02-20 13:08
I agree. Section taken of the middle? What middle?
lets see how to explain this, leave the overall shape the same but cut (section) a couple inches across the whole length of each bumper. Or find something else with a more pleasing cross shape that could be worked to fit. For me they're not only heavy looking but are too square with an industrial look to them, not flashy enough for the rest of the car.
Zap- :unitedstates:
Quote from: Zapato on 2013-02-21 01:26For me they're not only heavy looking but are too square with an industrial look to them ...
Agree. REAL heavy looking. Don't like 'em at all.
Was wondering what I could do with some stainless tubing. Maybe open in the middle like you describe. But don't think I could make it work or get the stuff bent.
These don't look heavy but I don't think they would quite work on the front. Look good in back.
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/TomIII/Ranchero/bumpers2.jpg)
I don't like skirts anyway, but skirts on a Ranchero? :075:
Door latch!
Quote from: Tom S on 2013-02-21 01:48
These don't look heavy but I don't think they would quite work on the front. Look good in back.
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/TomIII/Ranchero/bumpers2.jpg)
Actually those Pontiac bumpers would probably work nicely. Hell I'd probably rework some Vega or second generation Camaro bumpers or anything similar. All 58 ford bumpers look to me like the same guy that designed highway barriers had a hand in them.
As for the skirts on the Ranchero they look right to me, they add to the floating on air look desired in kustoms. And if that Ranchero ever hauls anything more than a bag of lawn fertilizer would be a surprise.
Zap- :unitedstates:
It probably also hauls ass.
Quote from: RICH MUISE on 2013-02-21 14:45
It probably also hauls ass.
you got me this time..........
Zap- :unitedstates: