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Does anyone have diagrams and instructions for installing stainless trim on a fairlane 500. I have purchased fasteners from Mac's and I'm having trouble figuring them out, none seem to fit right Is there a 57 Ford trim book out there,I have shop manual but no help on this problem.

the info I think is in the trim and sealant manual. I won't be home for a week, so I can't verify it for you. I found what I needed...or at least worked...at my paint supply shop. For my Custom, I used the nylon ones for where they snap into the square holes, and of course the metal ones that use the threaded post/nut.
PS..any engine install updates to do in the engine section??

do you know where the trim and sealent manual can be obtained

Just go to 57 Ford "litature and publications" on ebay, it will run in the 15 - 25 range.  Valuable books to have, it and the wiring diagrams!

Thanks I found the trim and sealant manual in the Mac's catalog. Not sure what plastic fasteners you used but I will go by a paint supply as well. I'm also finding out my front fender lower trim has slight crown in it after already being straightened and polished, so back to the polisher. My 57 has been in body work for the last month and is now straight and all gapes and panels fit very well, the front fender mounting holes where welded up as previous owner drilled many holes that were not quite right. Hope to have paint later this month with any luck as it is ready, just one more glide coat and block sanding treatment. Trim and fasteners is now the challenge as this car had none of the original fastener and much of the trim was missing mounting hardware all together. The mounts on the roof crown over the drip rail had some after market clips and at the rear window they were missing so don't have qlue what holds it done at that location.

rlibew:

Nice to see another 57 member posting in So Cal.  Let's see if we can hook up sometime, maybe we can get robhaerr, Rick and KidKourier to join us, too.

Bob
57 AGIN

One lesson I learned installing my trim, the fasteners are installed on the car first, then you pinch the two tabs together to lock them in place. The stainless is then hooked over the top edge, and snapped over the bottom edge. I think this is correct, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, also, you should apply some sealant to the holes prior to installing the clips. Putty like stuff, I've seen it called dum dum.  Mark

Dum Dum=3M caulking strips. Great for alot of things...like the trim you mentioned, inside the cowl where you need to build it up heavy(apply after por-15 there). Black, never hardens...always pliable

My car is at the paint shop right now and I should have it back by early next week.  Then I will reinstall the trim on my '57 Fairlane 500.  In the Concours Parts catalog for the'49-'59 Full Size cars, pages 149-150 they show all the special clips.  I think I counted about 90 clips to reinstall all of the trim.  I took my trim to a local shop that supplies the trade and found just about every clip that I will need.  They don't all look like originals, but they will work just fine.  I have a bunch that will bolt on and some that snap on.  A double hand full of clips ran to about $125 and I do have some extras.  Buying all the correct clips will be quite a bit more.  I also have some of the sealant for the clips on the side of the body and roof.  The trim along the fins is not supposed to have sealant.  Although my car had been painted once before, the trim was not removed.  The old clips were all rusty and worthless.  The old sealant was hard as a rock, but it did look like it was keeping water out of the roof and doors.

I do have a copy of an original drawing that shows the different types and location of clips and I can scan and email it if you need it.

Rich

Thanks for all the info, I'm a visual guy so need pictures and have ordered the trim and sealant manual so may clear up some of my confusion. My body guy has not worked on a 57 Ford before and None of original  hardware was there and what was there did not hold stainless very well. This is a challenge to say the least, but well worth the effort as the 57 was My first car and my favorite tri five.
As for you southern California guys, I would like a get together, I'm located in Covina California are any of you guys close by.

Any diagrams or other info on stainless will help and be appreciated, any and all helps, as I'm new at this. As Rich mentioned plastic clips for the square hole on fender and door, I could not locate at local paint supply and now looking on internet. I ordered all for 57 in Mac's cat. as well as trim and sealant manual, hope to have clarity soon 

Quote from: ROKuberski on 2013-03-05 22:22I do have a copy of an original drawing that shows the different types and location of clips and I can scan and email it if you need it.

Can you post those scans here for all to see?
I still need the clips for my Ranchero trim & don't know what to get or where to get them.  I don't have any of the holes in the body for the clips either.
My trim is like this one.
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/TomIII/Ranchero/BLACK.jpg)

Quote from: rlibew on 2013-03-06 11:06
Any diagrams or other info on stainless will help and be appreciated, any and all helps, as I'm new at this. As Rich mentioned plastic clips for the square hole on fender and door, I could not locate at local paint supply and now looking on internet. I ordered all for 57 in Mac's cat. as well as trim and sealant manual, hope to have clarity soon

I'll check early next week when I get home to see if I have a number for those plastic clips. I do remember they were in "WEE-PAKS"..a fastener brand.

Quote from: RICH MUISE on 2013-03-07 08:53
I'll check early next week when I get home to see if I have a number for those plastic clips. I do remember they were in "WEE-PAKS"..a fastener brand.

I have a series of very clear drawings that came with my car.  Evidently, they were copied from a book called "FORD CAR PARTS."  That what it says at the top of each page.  I've never seen this book.  I have 18 pages and the highest page number listed on my sheets is about 797. So this must be from a huge book.  Some of you may have this book. (I found a link to the book - http://www.forelpublishing.com/demo/demo10041.pdf)


I would be glad to post this information, but I don't know how to do it in a way that will be easy to find and retrieve.

I can easily put this into Publisher and create a .pdf file of the whole thing.  Let me know where and how to post this and I will.

These are the page titles.

Instrument Panel and related parts
fuel system and related parts
Ford 2 barrel carburetor
Carburetor air cleaner
Thermostatic choke control tubes and related parts
Distributor
Ignition wiring 8 cyl
Wiring system
Windshield wiper
windshield washer
Select Aire & Polar Aire conditioner compressor, pulleys & related parts
Select Aire conditioner evaporator and related parts
Fairlane 500 Town Sedan (Body Type 58B) Body trim
Fairlane 500 Townsedan two tone (Body Type 58B) Body trim
Fairlane 500 Club Victoria two tone (Body Types 63A & B) Body trim
Supercharger (Ford & Thunderbird)
Supercharger installation (312 engine) Ford
Supercharger installation (312) Thunderbird

I have the 1957 Ford & Thunderbird wiring diagram manual.

I also have an original 1957 Ford service manual and a copy of this manual. 

The copy is complete, but the pages are now loose from the binding (glued) that held it together.  I would sell this manual for $15 including shipping if anypne is interested.

Most important, next week, I will have my car home again with a fresh red/white paint job. 

Rich

Quote from: ROKuberski on 2013-03-07 22:50
I have a series of very clear drawings that came with my car ........  I would be glad to post this information, but I don't know how to do it in a way that will be easy to find and retrieve. ......... Let me know where and how to post this and I will.

If you scan those you could post them here ...
http://57fordsforever.com/smf/index.php?board=19.0
Seems like the logical place & the only thing in there now are a lot of service bulletins.
If you don't know how to post pix I could PM you my email addy & you could sent me the pix.
I could post them & give you credit or email the Photobucket codes back to you & you could post them yourself.

I sure would like to see pix of those stainless trim clips & whatever else, other pix, that goes with them.  (Any other of the other things you care to add too.)
Please, please, please!   (where is that begging smilie)  :003:

:ttiwwp:

That is copyright material.  I don't know...just saying.  The books are few and far between and a little pricey.  The Ford Parts book and the Ford Illustrations book are available on CD.  I have a set of those and use them regularly.  If you are into parts, the CDs are a cheap tool.

Here is one of the drawings.  I put it on my SkyDrive.  I think I have this setup for sharing.  Let me know if you can't see it.

https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=b94bf3e4f9fccec1#cid=B94BF3E4F9FCCEC1&id=B94BF3E4F9FCCEC1%21601

This is indeed copyrighted material, so I cannot post on this site.  I will leave this drawing on my sky drive for a few days so you can see the type information available.  I found the manual on the website listed in a previous post, but could not find where it is listed for sale on their site. 

Rich

tried it, told me I didn't have permission to access.

Zap- :unitedstates:

I hope you can post those pictures, would be a great help, My 500 should be in paint this month (solid Flam red)  I'm trying to recreate my 57 from high school. My current car was a red and white and they really look good in two tone but my goal leads me to solid red. Hope its not a mistake

Send me an email and I will return the drawing.

Rich

Full manual is available for sale. $22 on CDROM.

http://www.forelpublishing.com/estore/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=202

Quote from: ROKuberski on 2013-03-08 09:07This is indeed copyrighted material, so I cannot post on this site. 

I don't know for 100% sure if it is a problem to share stuff like this as long as it is not for profit.  I have seen quite a bit of things from auto & motorcycle repair manuals posted on various sites with no repercussions.  Like others, I have done so myself.  Posted scans or pix directly from current factory service manuals.  No problems & no one on those sites saying not to do it. (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/TomIII/smilies/Doanno.gif)
Rich, I sent you a PM, don't have your email addy .

Thanks for the pic, Rich.  Still hard to tell what I need from those drawings but I'll figure something out.
I think an actual photos are usually better than drawings.
So, if I post the pic that Rich sent is somebody gonna yell at me?   (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/TomIII/smilies/uhoh.gif)     

For what little it's worth I found a couple pix on page 3 of "NOS Parts & Pictures" at 1957 Ford.com.
http://www.1957ford.com/asp/gallery.aspx?catmstrid=2&catdetid=24

B7A-317-A, Moulding Clip Kit
(http://www.1957ford.com/asp/db-images/3939mclipsb7a317a.jpg)

B7A-201-B, Moulding Clips
Sold for $56.00 2002
(http://www.1957ford.com/asp/db-images/4031mdclipsb7a201b.jpg)

From the B7A-319-A kit, the rectangular clips are used to hold 90% of the 'hockey stick' molding on the side of a Custom.  These were 'glued' on from the factory.  I have no idea what to use as a modern adhesive.  The 'mouse tail' springy clips with the stud and nut are used on the other 10% of the Custom side molding.  They are used on the ends and the crotch of the hockey stick.  A caulk or plumbers putty is used as a sealer on the nuts.  DO NOT OVERTIGHTEN.  Over tightening will dimple the sheet metal outword and then there may be molding/paint contact.  These fasteners are designed to hold the molding away from the paint so as not to crack or chip the paint.  The clips allow some movement.  They allow dirt behind them but also allow air to dry the moisture.  I was considering using the spring clips the entire length on my side moldings but they can be expensive.  I don't know why the factory mixed the hardware.  Was it an assemble speed issue or was it material cost savings.  I am wondering if the rectangle clips can be snapped into the molding, apply adhesive and stick clips and molding on in one step.  Add the nuts on the spring clips, a little masking tape and let the adhesive cure??

Quote from: gasman826 on 2013-03-09 07:34
     The 'mouse tail' springy clips with the stud and nut are used on the other 10% of the Custom side molding.
     Over tightening will dimple the sheet metal outword and then there may be molding/paint contact.      I was considering using the spring clips the entire length on my side moldings.   

    Tom S and Gary...
   I bought the "mouse tail" clips for the entire Custom side moldings and  trial fit everything on my car.  Everything fits and that is what I'm going to use to install all my trim after the car is painted. (If I ever get finished block sanding it.)  Those clips are very forgiving on the fit.  The tail/spring keeps them in place.  They be trimmed down if needed.
   I'll look at my receipts and find the guys phone number if you need it.  As I recall he was very reasonable. 
    Jay   

ROKuberski Rich emailed me info & pix of his trim fasteners & even some of the nuts & bolts.
His pix could be a big help for guys like me that don't have any of this stuff. I really appreciate him sending them.  (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/TomIII/smilies/bow.gif)
I mentioned to him that I was still not sure what clip goes in that wide part at the 'V' of the checkmark where the hole shows on this pic I found. Hell, I don't even have the holes!

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/TomIII/Ranchero/trimholes2.jpg)

He replied ...

Quote from: richI assume you have all of your trim. If so, is there a special bracket at the bottom of the ?V? already on the trim? I have a couple of places where there are brackets that are not easy to remove and the ?V? on my car is one of them. Ends of some of the pieces are other places with special brackets.

Anybody have any info or pix on that?

Ok, here is what rich sent me ....

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I just took my trim to the store, laid it on the counter and asked for assistance in finding clips that would work.
Here are pictures of trim clips, new automotive type bolts and a few pictures of the clips installed in the trim.
Rich

This clip is used on the roof trim.  Place the clip in the trim then snap the trim onto the roof.



Roof edge trim with snap on clip in place



Clip for side trim





Part of the new fasteners that I got to reinstall the grill and other items on the front of the car.





More side trim fasteners.  I want to use this one on the side trim for the pieces that are above and below the gold panels.  It appeals to me to bolt this stuff on.  But, I will have both snap on clips and these that bolt on.



Side trim with clip installed



(TS: I wonder where those spring lookin' jobs on the right go?)



New clip nuts





New sheet metal nuts

grerat pics..thanks for posting Rich and Tom. The nylon ones in the first pic are basically the same as what I used on my Custom side trim in all the square hole locations, and I really liked them. The clips in the last pic are what I used for all the round hole..nut and washer locations. The metal ones are available in tons of sizes. For the bottom of the "v", I just found a longer version of the clip in the last pic. I do believe I had to dirill a hole for it...not sure how it was originally attached. I glued it (overnight) in place on the trim with "goop" to hold it in place. One word of caution..particularly on that longer clip for the "v"...just snug the nut..don't overtighten...those clips kink/bend easily.
Rich...a suggestion....cover your entire working area with blue masking tape before you start to fit the trim..and an extra pair of hands will be helpful to prevent scratches...ask me how I know.

Quote from: RICH MUISE on 2013-03-13 13:27
Rich...a suggestion....cover your entire working area with blue masking tape before you start to fit the trim..and an extra pair of hands will be helpful to prevent scratches...ask me how I know.

Rich, you are only about 425 miles from me.  Come on over and tell me about all the things that I need to not do.  I can only imagine the frustration of making a scratch in a fresh paint job. 

IF you can't make it, I have a good friend about 3 miles away that will be glad to assist. 

I visited the car today and all painting is completed, sanding of the clear coat is complete and he will start to polish tomorrow.  I'm going over Friday morning to assist with a partial reassembly.  Things like tail lights and a few other items so that I can drive the car home.

When I had a '37 Chevy, I joined the VCCA, but it's mostly a social club.  My wife and I have enjoyed our time with them.  Now, my vintage Chevy is a 2002 Corvette.  Not so vintage.  Anyway, there will be a car show in May and I am going to put the Fairlane right in the middle of the Chevy show.  That will stir things up a little. 

Rich