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Title: learn something new every day
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-02-11 07:57
I'm probably the last person on the planet to learn this but I never knew Ford had alternators as an option starting in 1949. They were available in 30, 50 and 100 amps. I'm guessing they only ended up on police/taxi models? This is the parts page for 56-59 model cars.

Title: Re: learn something new every day
Post by: Ford Blue blood on 2017-02-11 08:14
Yup, my 57 Ford service manual has alternator info in it as well as the electrical/vacuum manual.  My 58 Edsel factory service manual also has alternator info.  The Ford book says heavy duty service.  I expect that might mean police/taxi?
Title: Re: learn something new every day
Post by: lalessi1 on 2017-02-11 08:28
I would have lost money on that bet! Cool to know. :003:
Title: Re: learn something new every day
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-02-11 08:38
Quote from: lalessi1 on 2017-02-11 08:28
I would have lost money on that bet! Cool to know. :003:
I almost did  :005: What blew me away was the 49-55 but I don't have a page for them, they must have been 6V?
Title: Re: learn something new every day
Post by: Jeff Norwell on 2017-02-11 09:28
Wow!..That's pretty interesting Jim......
Title: Re: learn something new every day
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-02-11 09:46
Now that I know that, I'm going to have to wonder what I forgot I knew today.
Rich
Title: Re: learn something new every day
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-02-11 10:52
   What Jim says X2.
   I remember them first hand  on the 55 - 6 volt and 57 - 12 volt Mass State Police cars that we had.   They also had a funny looking thing that looked like pieces of metal sandwiched together mounted up by the radiator.  We used to call that a rectifier.  It looked more like an oil air cooler.   We never had any problems with them, but that was back in the old days.
Title: Re: learn something new every day
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-02-11 11:07
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2017-02-11 10:52
   What Jim says X2.
   I remember them first hand  on the 55 - 6 volt and 57 - 12 volt Mass State Police cars that we had.   They also had a funny looking thing that looked like pieces of metal sandwiched together mounted up by the radiator.  We used to call that a rectifier.  It looked more like an oil air cooler.   We never had any problems with them, but that was back in the old days.
Jay, from what I understand they were a rectifier with a heat sink. Were they mounted on the front side of the radiator support for cooling?
Title: Re: learn something new every day
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-02-11 12:25
Jim
   I do believe that they were some sort of a heat sink for those early Ford 1950's alternators.
Jay
Title: Re: learn something new every day
Post by: Jeff Norwell on 2017-02-11 13:43
Man..I gotta keep this tidbit  of info for the hardcore traditional 25 year olds that will tell you Alt. really never came until the early 60's.....ha ha ha
Title: Re: learn something new every day
Post by: slumlord44 on 2017-02-11 23:16
I picked up a neat factory brochure last year at a swap meet for '57 Ford Police and Fire vehicles. They list the alternator as an option. New to me at the time. Also the chrome side trim was slightly different than what is on the production cars.
Title: Re: learn something new every day
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-12 05:11
Does anybody own one or have a pic of the actual item ?
Title: Re: learn something new every day
Post by: Hoosier Hurricane on 2017-02-12 05:24
I believe those were built by the Leece-Neville company.   John
Title: Re: learn something new every day
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-02-12 06:29
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2017-02-12 05:11
Does anybody own one or have a pic of the actual item ?
I was hoping when I posted this someone would come up with a picture. I've never seen one.
Title: Re: learn something new every day
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-02-12 17:13
Jim
    My memory is a bit foggy, but I remember that they looked like a generator.

  I clearly remember that the 6 volt ones were huge compared to a normal 6 volt generator.

  The 12 volt ones were larger in appearance also as I recall. 

   They had steel cases and didn't look anything like a modern aluminum alternator.

   I also remember that they had a big electric harness going into the rectifier.   Jay
 
Title: Re: learn something new every day
Post by: SkylinerRon on 2017-02-13 01:55
L-N was the maker.
A pic is in the MPC ILL page 360-361.
50-60-100 Amp versions.
The finned part is indeed a rectifier/heatsink.

Ron.
Title: Re: learn something new every day
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-02-13 08:23
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2017-02-12 17:13
Jim
    My memory is a bit foggy, but I remember that they looked like a generator.

  I clearly remember that the 6 volt ones were huge compared to a normal 6 volt generator.

  The 12 volt ones were larger in appearance also as I recall. 

   They had steel cases and didn't look anything like a modern aluminum alternator.

   I also remember that they had a big electric harness going into the rectifier.   Jay

Thanks Jay,
You are only the person I know who has actually seen one or remembers.

Are you getting any snowflakes  :003:
Title: Re: learn something new every day
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-02-13 21:31
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2017-02-13 08:23
Thanks Jay,
You are only the person I know who has actually seen one or remembers.

Are you getting any snowflakes  :003:

      That's because my brother always bought State Police cars.  In those days, they changed them every year, so they were barely 1 year old.

       Earlier, the weather liars said the we are getting another Northeast blizzard tonight.  Now they are saying that it will be clear.  So I don't know what to expect.
Title: Re: learn something new every day
Post by: Ford Blue blood on 2017-02-14 07:10
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2017-02-13 21:31
      Earlier, the weather liars said the we are getting another Northeast blizzard tonight.  Now they are saying that it will be clear.  So I don't know what to expect.

Only job in the world where you can be wrong 50% of the time and keep it......
Title: Re: learn something new every day
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-02-14 07:59
Nah......baseball players!! If they fail only 70% of the time, they're in the upper eshaleon..lol, (I know I spelled that one wrong)
Title: Re: learn something new every day
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-02-14 21:32
     It's a good thing that the weather liars were wrong today because we had a warm day in the 30's and
some of the snow melted.   I was able to get one car out onto the snow which allowed me to get the 57 against the open doors with hoses on the exhaust pipes so I could monitor a few things that I did to the engine.   This is something that I have been  wanting to do for weeks , but couldn't because of bad weather and deep snow.   Around here we can't do much with the cars outside when there is snow on the ground.   Everything has to be planned around the snowstorms.
     Jim....  See what you are missing ?
     Rich ...You are lucky that you escaped this nasty Mass. weather and moved away.
     Jeff.... Jeff I really wish that you would keep your snow up there where it belongs.  We don't want it.
    That's the first time in the 48 years I've owned it that the red car has been in the snow.   It will not hurt it because there is no salt and chemicals in my yard.
Title: Re: learn something new every day
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-02-14 23:03
Look on the bright side...with all that snow on the ground you don't have dust blowing around. Even with my car garaged, I still have to dust it off every few days.
Title: Re: learn something new every day
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-02-15 07:19
Rich
    "There ain't no bright side to all of the snow that we are getting."   All I can do is sit for about 9 months of winter  and dream about the short 3-4   months of cruising time.   The only thing that the winter is good for is keeping the mileage low on the old cars.  HAHA
Jay
Title: Re: learn something new every day
Post by: hiball3985 on 2017-02-15 07:44
Jay, I was driving around in the 57 yesterday in 74 degrees weather thinking about all the fun I'm missing  :003: At the lunch meet with the other local car guys we met up with an old friend who was here visiting and headed back home to Maine were is wife has been snowed in alone for days. We still can't understand why he moved from Calif to Maine about ten years ago, but he loves it..
Title: Re: learn something new every day
Post by: Ecode70D on 2017-02-15 08:02
Jim
    I can't understand why they made that move also.   Maine is beautiful in the summer.  the problem is that their winters start 1 month earlier before here in Mass.

   You aren't the only one that took his car out yesterday.   Look at that picture I posted.  I took that old red car out at least 20' and the temp was above freezing.  The 57 wanted to come out also, but that didn't happen.  Jay 
Title: Re: learn something new every day
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2017-02-15 10:22
Probably the same reason I moved out of SoCal to Colorado in '83......too many people. Colorado Springs was perfect. Big enough to support my new retail art venture, but a short drive to get away when you needed to.
Maine....you're always away from it, lol.