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Title: The black cloud
Post by: alvin stadel on 2020-08-11 20:56
As I'v said before this retractable I'm restoring has a big black cloud hanging over it. Last winter I had the power steering control valve rebuild, by Concours Parts, had them do others for me with no problem. However this time I couldn't get the port on return line to stop leaking. This is without the car running.  So they told me to send it back and they would go though it again. Took it off boxed it up and sent it UPS.  Got a call from ConCours this afternoon and was told they received the package, lots of packing, copy of my original invoice, but no valve, what the hell. They said it looked like the box was broke open and they, UPS, just taped up and sent on its way.  So now I need another control valve that I don't have and will have to have it rebuilt when I find one. In all my years of doing this I have never had so much go wrong.  and as they say tomarrow is another day.
Title: Re: The black cloud
Post by: terry_208 on 2020-08-11 23:35
Did UPS insure the package, so that you don't suffer more financially?  What years will interchange?
Title: Re: The black cloud
Post by: gasman826 on 2020-08-12 08:08
Welcome to the New Normal.  Shippers are so overwhelmed that undamaged, prompt delivery is unlikely.  I just bought a used $300 part that the seller poorly packaged.  A two day promised delivery turned into four weeks.  I did finally get the box with a big hole in the side, a little brown wrapping paper and a note from the Post Master saying 'sorry about your luck'.  The seller felt no responsibility. 

When I added power steering to my wagon, I found a '64 Galaxie donor.  '63-64 donors are more common than '57s and the new steering box was a plus.
Title: Re: The black cloud
Post by: alvin stadel on 2020-08-12 08:51
I'v shipped and sent lots of parts though the years always make sure they are well wrapped and boxed. Never had a problem . I heard about lost parts , but it was never me, always the other guy.
Title: Re: The black cloud
Post by: CobraJoe on 2020-08-12 14:29
X 2 gassman
Title: Re: The black cloud
Post by: Jeff Norwell on 2020-08-13 06:31
Happened to me when I bought my sway bar from Larry's T-Bird... box was destroyed and half the fasteners were missing.Larry's just shrugged. did not care..... Great part.. horrible service
Title: Re: The black cloud
Post by: terry_208 on 2020-08-15 22:58
I went out to a salvage yard today. I found a 62 or 63 comet with ps and several mustangs also.  What does the control valve look like and where is it located?

Gasman, I believe I saw a 62 ford used an isolator above the steering gear is that that the same with 64? I saw nothing in the big fords that still had the ps in tact.
Title: Re: The black cloud
Post by: gasman826 on 2020-08-16 08:31
I believe '61-'64 full size car PS valves interchange.  The valve on the wagon was custom reman'ed by CARDONE Remanufacturer for nearly $400 several years ago.  I just bought a '64 valve as a core and wanted to get it rebuilt as a spare.  CARDONE said they no longer did custom, vintage rebuilds.  The Eclker group ie Mac's, Dearborn, etc., offer valves or custom valve service and are very proud of the core value ($350)!  I found the vintage PS specialists are way more reasonable.  There are more than one offering custom rebuilds for $200-230.  The only things I know enough to ask about is turnaround time and if they replace or machine the hose seats.  It is very common that the seats are damaged because the hoses have been over torqued.  I did not ask if these custom shops would rebuild '57 valves but I assume they would.  If you have a quality core, you should be good.  The core end cap needs to be in useable condition.  Inventor of caps has been depleted.

PS.  The unibody cars are different and do NOT interchange.  '57-'59 should interchange...lower pressure pumps...'60 and up use a different pump pressure relief setting.  I have used a '57 pump with a '64 valve.  I've also used a '97 pump with the '64 valve and seen no difference.
Title: Re: The black cloud
Post by: dgasman on 2020-08-16 13:05
I have a ps valve that was rebuilt a bunch of years ago but I never used it . It?s still attached to the drag link . If you would like it you can have it for the cost of shipping. It?s just collecting dust in my garage as I will never use it
Title: Re: The black cloud
Post by: Ecode70D on 2020-08-16 13:52
Quote from: dgasman on 2020-08-16 13:05
I have a ps valve that was rebuilt a bunch of years ago but I never used it . It?s still attached to the drag link . If you would like it you can have it for the cost of shipping. It?s just collecting dust in my garage as I will never use it

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       The members have helped me with parts lots of times.   Jay






Title: Re: The black cloud
Post by: CobraJoe on 2020-08-16 16:56
I agree with Jay, so many members here have helped me with my projects. (http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/sign/sign0098.gif) (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-ashamed-smileys.php)
Title: Re: The black cloud
Post by: gasman826 on 2020-08-16 20:46
Can't get any better than that!
Title: Re: The black cloud
Post by: lowrider on 2020-08-17 05:27
You can buy new hose seats for the control valves. The old ones just pop out with a pick. AutoKrafters carry them. They come 4 to a package. Catch is one of the seats comes in 2 different sizes depending on what you have and they only carry the kit with one of the sizes.
Title: Re: The black cloud
Post by: gasman826 on 2020-08-17 08:04
Thanks!  This is just another example of the cooperation that exists within this club!  AutoKrafters listing may not be for '57s but really helps out for the '60-'64 Galaxie conversions.  With a seal kit and seat kit, I might try a rebuild myself.
Title: Re: The black cloud
Post by: alvin stadel on 2020-08-18 12:37
dgaman, I'll take you up on your offer.  my e-mail address is awstadel@gmail.com ,  I should have gotten back to you sooner but family was here and just wanted to hang with them.  Thanks, Alvin
Title: Re: The black cloud
Post by: dgasman on 2020-08-18 16:18
Alvin , no problem and email and pictures  sent ....
Title: Re: The black cloud
Post by: cokefirst on 2020-08-27 18:21
I have used an talked to this guy on 3 of my cars.  He seems to know the power steering parts of these systems backwards and forwards.  https://www.stangerssite.com/  He is reasonable and I am pleased with his work.
Title: Re: The black cloud
Post by: alvin stadel on 2020-09-01 20:05
I got the parts from dgasman, power steering control valve that UPS lost for me.  dgasman give me the parts I only payed postage. the weird thing is that when the parts arrived here yesterday the box he sent them in was ripped open also.  However the parts were still in tack. What the hell do these shipping guys do play football with our smaller packages at lunch break.