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Title: New stuff.
Post by: alvin stadel on 2021-05-03 20:39
Hey you guys at my age I get bored real eazy. There hasn't been a good new post in at least 6 days. I don't care if we talk about Gary's 4 inch  sticky slicks on that high powered black 70D or if we talk abou8t your wifes ingrown pubic hair on her left knee cap, but lets get some thing going. I  like to here about what you are doing.  Don't give me this it's to nice outside crap. take care, Alvin
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2021-05-04 15:36
Hey Alvin, Jay (Ecode70D) asked me to post his pics. He and Dave were attending an early morning cruise last Sunday in Plymouth, MA. He says a lot of cars showed up and isnt it great to see 2x 57s next to each other ?
So why not talk about White Lightning, which as  a matter of fact is a 70D !  :001:

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Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2021-05-04 15:45
White lightning looks great, Jay! Thanks for posting, Gunter. Now we have something to discuss...........the way the Ranchero was two-toned. I hate to criticize anyone's ride, but............Looks to be a great restoration, but If it's finished, I don't like the all white tailgate. Just doesn't look right to me. I think I would have ended the red in a verticle line under the taillights. What do ya think? I don't see Joe's car anywhere.
Too bad John Vera and Joe weren't there..coulda been 4!
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: alvin stadel on 2021-05-04 21:42
You are right Rich, it looks like they just took the tail gate off another and forgot to paint it.  Then again maybe just haven't had time to paint it.   I know that when you are at a cruse or car show with a 57 ford you are a minority.  That said they sure have a way of brightening up a show, no matter what color or model.
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: Ecode70D on 2021-05-04 23:38
  Günter... thank you very much for posting the pictures for me.  That's something that I just can't do.   Günter is the person that came up with the name White Lightning for my plain Jane custom and I think that is is going to stick

  Guys.   All I can say is that I was actually blown away when I arrived at that  Sunday morning cruise with Dave in the red and white Ranchero. I expected it to be just a few cars  There were several hundred cars of all different types. With the epidemic, I haven't been to a car cruise in well over a year.  Up until just a few years ago. I had been professionally building old cars for well over 50 years. One of the things that I often do is try to advise people to not take cars completely apart because in my lifetime I have seen countless cars not go back together again. 

   Dave proved me wrong with his RW Ranchero.  Last summer he installed  an FE engine and it runs like a clock  I was shocked when I found out that he disassembled the car in the fall. Somehow he did all the body work, reassembled it and painted it and  was driving it in the springtime.  I'm 80 and he is just a couple of years behind me. This was all done in a small shed that he extended just enough to get the car in but can't raise the hood. He does not do computer very much but is also a member of this site.
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: hiball3985 on 2021-05-05 09:44
Thanks for posting G, and Jake for the back story. Great to see another old timer that still works on his car.
I question the division point on the paint also, and mine is the same way. I think it is wrong from what pictures I have seen in literature. I know how mine got that way, the previous owner had the paint done based off of a model car.
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: travis20 on 2021-05-05 10:45
Hi   All Travis here thats my Rancho I think the tail gate is right but only had a model to go byI had a red and white one back in 1962 and it was that way dose any one no the rear end codes for my Ranch0
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2021-05-05 11:35
OOPS...........I knew after I posted that I should have been a bit more diplomatic. I violated our unofficial rule about not criticizing other's cars. You have my sincere apologies!! I should have just asked if it was the way Ford did it...........I really don't know.
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2021-05-05 12:47
I think it is an interesting topic though. I wonder if there was something like an early vs late in the model year paint scheme difference or how Rancheros came from factory. Also there are Rancheros that have the swept 300 side trim, but only a single stainless strip. and some I have seen with the styletone anodized gold trim and twin ss swept trim.
As goes for wagons, that came with swept sidetrim, they have the rare paint dividers on the upper portion of the tailfin. so all of the lower tailgate and fins up to the D post ( which of course a Ranchero doesnt have) are also painted lower body color. here's how mine looks.

as you can see, the potmetal taillight housings are also all lower body color all around on mine. I like how the tailfins on Daves Ranchero are all white on the upper portion.
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: Ecode70D on 2021-05-05 15:10
  I just got off the phone from talking to Travis20 Dave with the red and white Ranchero because I was wondering what he meant by his rear end question.  Actually he has two  questions.

Ques. 1   Should the Ranchero tail gate be one color or two?  He is willing to repaint the lower section red if necessary.
Ques  2  What should the rear end gear ratio be for that car ?   It came with a Y block  He wants something higher. The rear end tag has been removed              i
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: Contibob on 2021-05-05 21:35
If the Ranchero had the paint trim piece on top of the rear fenders the tail gate would be Red. The red paint would go all the way up to the trim. If no trim pieces the red would stop at the seam below the tail light. Everything would be white between the seams.
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2021-05-05 21:41
Makes sense to me.
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: 57chero on 2021-05-05 22:06
I repainted mine the way it was originally, Starmist blue / Colonial white.
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2021-05-06 00:10
SOOOOOOOOOOO pretty!!
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: 1930artdeco on 2021-05-06 00:50
I have been busy fighting with the Misses...and she is winning at the moment. Every time I go to remove something to rebuild it is one step forward and two back. She shore was beat to hell in her previous life. Hope to have actual pics of her parts this weekend.

Mike
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: mustang6984 on 2021-05-06 01:06
Oh I do like Rancheros! I like both the red and blue with their solid white gates. Just me though...nicely done!
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: Ecode70D on 2021-05-06 05:30
57chero.   Your car is beautiful.  You put a lot of work into it.
1930artdeco  Can't wait to see those pictures.
Hiball Jim  Is there any chance that you could post a picture of the back of yours?
    All of these will be a big help. Thanks   Jay

Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2021-05-06 06:27
Very nice ride ! I wonder if yours came with the style tone gold anodized trim inserts from factory ?

Quote from: 57chero on 2021-05-05 22:06
I repainted mine the way it was originally, Starmist blue / Colonial white.
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: hiball3985 on 2021-05-06 08:47
Quote from: 57chero on 2021-05-05 22:06
I repainted mine the way it was originally, Starmist blue / Colonial white.
Yes, that is the way it should be, I know mine is wrong  :005: I really don't worry about it that much as I spend 90% of the time looking through the windshield  :003: The only people looking at my rear end should be in Chevys.
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: hiball3985 on 2021-05-06 08:50
Jay, here is mine, done wrong
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: mustang6984 on 2021-05-06 09:06
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2021-05-06 08:47
:003: The only people looking at my rear end should be in Chevys.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                Ah...life as it should be!  :001:
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: hiball3985 on 2021-05-06 09:15
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2021-05-05 15:10
  I just got off the phone from talking to Travis20 Dave with the red and white Ranchero because I was wondering what he meant by his rear end question.  Actually he has two  questions.

Ques. 1   Should the Ranchero tail gate be one color or two?  He is willing to repaint the lower section red if necessary.
Ques  2  What should the rear end gear ratio be for that car ?   It came with a Y block  He wants something higher. The rear end tag has been removed              i
Jay, the standard trans ones came with 3.89 and 4.11 optional, I don't know what auto trans had?
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: Ecode70D on 2021-05-06 09:19
Quote from: mustang6984 on 2021-05-06 09:06
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                Ah...life as it should be!  :001:
Hugh.  That is 100 %  correct.
    Jim   Thank you for the picture.  That's what I feel about who should be looking at the back of mine also. HAHA



   
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: Ecode70D on 2021-05-06 09:22
Jim

Thank you very much for those readings.  and for the picture of the back of your car. Jay
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: Jeff Norwell on 2021-05-06 10:18
Beautiful Ranchero Dave. and after hearing how you built it in a shed ,.by yourself... amazing..very nice indeed.
I have a Ranch die cast, with the exact paint scheme as Hiball3985 beautiful Ranchero....

I personally think. the only thing you should do.....
....Is drive it.

(https://i.imgur.com/pDEuBNf.jpg)
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: terry_208 on 2021-05-06 10:27
I like them all.  Right or wrong...they all look great.  As long as they are driveable, paint is optional and I'm envious!
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: hiball3985 on 2021-05-06 12:26
Quote from: Jeff Norwell on 2021-05-06 10:18
Beautiful Ranchero Dave. and after hearing how you built it in a shed ,.by yourself... amazing..very nice indeed.
I have a Ranch die cast, with the exact paint scheme as Hiball3985 beautiful Ranchero....

I personally think. the only thing you should do.....
....Is drive it.

(https://i.imgur.com/pDEuBNf.jpg)
Thats the same model the previous owner used to base the paint on, I think the Chinese got it wrong and he didn't know better. And when I bought I didn't know either at that time.
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: Jeff Norwell on 2021-05-06 12:32
Yea.  oh well

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Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2021-05-06 12:46
Jim.you'rs works because of the black and red not being so contrating.
On that pic Jeff posted just above, I think I'm seeing a hint of the paint divider that Gunter talked about above the tailfin. I like it done that way.
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: hiball3985 on 2021-05-06 14:00
Quote from: RICH MUISE on 2021-05-06 12:46
Jim.you'rs works because of the black and red not being so contrating.
On that pic Jeff posted just above, I think I'm seeing a hint of the paint divider that Gunter talked about above the tailfin. I like it done that way.
I hadn't seen one like Jeff posted, it looks good. Most combos look good, just a personal choice what each person likes.
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: mustang6984 on 2021-05-06 19:48
I like yours...it runs...it gets driven...and who needs it to be the same as all the others? I used to show Concurs and was always asked to judge. Wouldn't do it...can't bring myself to tell someone his car isn't "right". If the owner likes it...then it's right...and that is all that is important! JMHO!
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2021-05-06 20:07
"LIKE"
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: Ecode70D on 2021-05-06 21:04
   Jim Thank you for the picture of the back of your car and Jeff thank for that one which you came up with.  Now my head is spinning and
I'm thinking that there are all kinds of combinations of paint that have been applied to Rancheros and it is not going to be easy trying to figure  out  which ones could be correct . 
     I'm just going to go with what Terry stated "As long as they are drivable, paint is optional".  Jay
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: mustang6984 on 2021-05-06 22:20
I would say that the paint should be what YOU want it to look like...if you're happy...then everyone else should be as well!
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: Ecode70D on 2021-05-07 00:53
Quote from: mustang6984 on 2021-05-06 22:20
I would say that the paint should be what YOU want it to look like...if you're happy...then everyone else should be as well!
Hugh
    That's absolutely correct.  Jay
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: Ford Blue blood on 2021-05-07 07:41
Quote from: mustang6984 on 2021-05-06 22:20
I would say that the paint should be what YOU want it to look like...if you're happy...then everyone else should be as well!

2X  Yup, never built a car to please anyone else.  If you're happy that's all that matters!
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2021-05-07 13:13
I know I have said it times and times again, but I just love your Ranchero, Jim. Even though ( to the best of my knowledge) the red and black paint combo might not have been a factory option ( or was it?) And I am not even a fan of black and red cars. but it does work so well, also together with the wheels and tire choice. it just has the 'looking spot on' feel to it.
Knowing it is driven a lot probably adds to the joy.

Jay, we might want to say that another friend of yours also has a 57 R in a a similar Red/black color scheme and I really like his as well.
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: Ecode70D on 2021-05-07 16:00
That's correct Günter.   I had forgotten about that one.  It's a nice one also.
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: hiball3985 on 2021-05-08 07:57
Thank you for the nice comments G. I think the red/black combo was originally available, but can't say 100%. It wouldn't be my first choice if I had done the paint myself but it came that way and I can live with it. The only selling point when I decided to buy it was the body work, paint was done even if not my first choice, it was a stick trans and everything was there even if none of it worked. If it had been an auto trans I would have walked away.. You can't believe what a  mechanical/electrical disaster this thing was. You can put all the paint in the world on a turd but in the end it's still a turd  :003:
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: Ecode70D on 2021-05-08 13:00
    Well Jim.   This is going to be the very first time that I sorta disagree with you.....
     If it were me and I was buying your car, I would have bought it even if it had that dreadful automatic transmission.  Then very promptly I would have driven it into the shop and walked over to my stash pile of 57 58 standard shift parts and converted it over.
I probably would have left the automatic rear gears though.   FWIW I like your color scheme.   Jay 
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: rmk57 on 2021-05-08 19:24
  Are these the paint dividers that came originally on Rancheros? Not on the tailgate but on the upper part of the fin.   Cant say I've ever seen them, they must be quite rare.

(https://i.imgur.com/mHt3nD6.jpg)
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: gasman826 on 2021-05-08 21:12
common on two tone station wagons...I have a pair somewhere.
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2021-05-10 03:41
I have to say that the paint scheme on that Oregon based Ranchero looks great. they made good use of the custom chrom strip on the tail gate and even on the taillight housings. pretty slick, imho !
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2021-05-10 09:23
It does look great. I wonder what they used for the tailgate/fender pieces. Maybe started with brass and had them chrome plated? I was going to do that on some of my custom interior pieces that are still in vinyl, lol..
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2021-05-10 09:25
I need to finish my coffee....looked at the title of this thread and for an instant I thought it said "new staff", and wondered if I was fired.
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: rmk57 on 2021-05-10 11:38
  The upper trim is original, the bottom looks like that stick-on door molding.

Another one for someone who got creative...

(https://i.imgur.com/id7lr74.jpg)
Title: Re: New stuff.
Post by: hiball3985 on 2021-05-11 09:14
That is creative, I like it better then the one that was straight across.