Anybody got the engine out. I would like a Pic of original Brackets on cross member that mounts sit on. Somewhere along they were cut off so if i could get a pic maybe with a tape measure showing distance apart.
Quote from: Meteorman on 2023-02-26 17:20Anybody got the engine out. I would like a Pic of original Brackets on cross member that mounts sit on. Somewhere along they were cut off so if i could get a pic maybe with a tape measure showing distance apart.
I just pulled a engine last weekend. I will shoot pics tonight and post for you.
Later...Hugh
Great Thanks.
Here is a pic of the cross member from one of my Couriers actually. The Fairlane one is still connected to the brake cables. Same thing though. Hope this is what you were looking for. View is from the back forward. If not what you were wanting let me know and I should be able to provide. Actually in the "tear down" stage on the Fairlane.
Sorry no Thats the Trans Mount XMember I need it for the xmember that the engine sits on.
Ah...okay...I will shoot that and post it then. I thought you were looking for the rear mount which doubles as the trans mount. Give me about 30 minutes.
Okay...here are two pics with tape and a ruler from a level. If these don't do the trick, I can use one of the Courier engine compartments when the sun rises tomorrow. It is outside in the dark now, but it also have no front fenders and such, so I can get better access to the engine bay with measuring devices. We'll get it done!
Just thought...do you also need measurements from cross member up to the mounts? For those I will need to use the Courier so that there is enough room for me to maneuver around.
Great Thanks. What engine was in the Courier and which hole was it in ?
Quote from: Meteorman on 2023-02-27 12:48Great Thanks. What engine was in the Courier and which hole was it in ?
A 352 FE. and I honestly cannot tell you. Has been years since I took it out. Decades. The one I sent you a pic of was a 292 Y block and I believe it was in the upper holes. Mac can ell you for sure...he has one in his 57. I didn't pay attention when I pulled it out. My bad.
I am guessing the FE was probably in the lower set of holes. I pulled that bad puppy back in the 70's. Sorry. If you need any more pics feel free to ask. I'll do what I can to get you what you need!
I thought the '58 FE used the same style mount as the Y-Block that had two studs. IIRC that's what I used when I installed an FE in my old retractable fifty years ago.
An FE and a Y-block use the same motor mounts in the same holes. All (4) crossmember holes are used with both. The transmission mount works with the same mount as well for both if using a 3 speed manual or a mid sixties Galaxie toploader (or T-10) 4 speed.
I think the single stud mount started in 59
Quote from: lalessi1 on 2023-02-28 09:18An FE and a Y-block use the same motor mounts in the same holes. All (4) crossmember holes are used with both. The transmission mount works with the same mount as well for both if using a 3 speed manual or a mid sixties Galaxie toploader (or T-10) 4 speed.
Well there ya go then...thanks! :006:
Yes, for whatever reason, Ford switched to a single stud motor mount, with that stud in between where the dual holes on 57-58s were.Same height, same C shaped mount, I believe the same single stud C mount was used thru 1962, when it was replaced with a thinner square mount, also with a single stud . On my 59, I am using a later (1966) Toploader 4 speed, originally from a 66 Fairlane. Rather that modifying the transmission crossmember to use the later style trans mount, I reworked the existing factory trans mount setup, which uses a rubber pad with a U shaped steel strap. The early transmissions have a wider bolt spacing for the U shaped strap than the later style trans mount, so I cut a section of the flat, lower portion of the U shaped strap, so the 2 bolt holes were the same spacing as the later trans, and welded it back together. Since the strap was now narrower, I just ground each side of the rubber pad until the strap would slip over the pad, and used the same 2 bolts that attach the pad to the crossmember itself. I imagine the way I modified the original transmission mount should work with a C4, C6, FMX, and possibly later transmissions than those.
In both my 57's (FE powered).I just used 58 332/352 dual stud mounts...
No problems
On my 4 speed applications... both cars..I used the Stock Cross Member and made the same adaptations as Rory has stated.
Quote from: mustang6984 on 2023-02-26 23:38Just thought...do you also need measurements from cross member up to the mounts? For those I will need to use the Courier so that there is enough room for me to maneuver around.
OK almost got the mounts ready to tack weld in. A Measurement from the back edge of the front xmember to the Hole centre on the mount would be great. Either hole would be OK
Will do. I'll get it for you Friday. No problem. :003:
Hope this is what you were looking for...if not...I'll shoot something else if needed. also included a couple of pics from one of my Couriers that still has mounts in it from when the 352 was in it 50+ years ago.
Thank You that makes it easier
Glad to help...if you need anything else feel free to ask. :006:
Ok Got the Mount Brackets made and welded on as Pics you supplied.( mustang 6984). I sat the engine 302 from 89 Crown Vic in to see how it all lined up with the Crown Vic mounts on. I have a problem which i dont know about. The Mounts are on the wrong angle and dont sit flat on the Frame mounts. The engine mounts are on to big of an angle. Is this where i should be using Different engine mounts from a Fox Body Mustang or something that have the correct angle. They are single Bolt mounts and lined up with the hole
UGH! I don't know. I have only used FE engines in my cars. BUT...if someone has an answer, and you need different angle pics or something else along that line I can shoot them. The engine compartment on my white 57 Courier is very accessible these days, so I can get in to it and shoot from any angle needed.
Let me know. Hugh
I never tried this, so I can not confirm, but I was told when I parted out a 1990 Lincoln Mk.7 LSC, that the factory motor mounts from that car (which was a 5.0 HO engine), would be a perfect fit for my 59, which used a single hole for the motor mount stud. IF that is true, you would likely need to drill a slot into each frame pad, between the 2 existing slotted holes. Or perhaps, cut a slot between the 2 existing holes, to make one really long slot. But if you did that, I would at the very least, use a large flat washer on the lower stud, to help spread the stress over a larger area.
I'll add something that may or may not be relevant. You mentioned Mustang mounts. When I installed my '95 Lincoln 4.6, I used early 0's Mustang 4.6 mounts. The angle perfectly matched up with the '57 OEM mounting plates. Just had to add a slot to accept the new stud location.
I used 64 galaxie 289 mounts on my 302 install. I installed a piece of 3/8 plate between the mount and the engine. I wanted a little extra space so also added another spacer between the motor mount and it's pad.