Got my oil filter conversion kit in the mail today and had a bit of a time figuring out how it was to go on. I took the old adapter plate and fitting out of the block and then put the gasket in the block and installed the new adapter plate and adapter nut into the block. It seemed to mate up nice to the block and gasket, so I tightened it up very tight and put on the new spin on filter. Cranked it up and pumped out around a quart of oil on the floor in 30 seconds or so. It must be leaking at the big gasket big time. Didn't have any more time today to fool with it. Anyone run into the same problem? I searched online and a guy also had the same problem. He even posted pictures asking questions He didn't get much help. Any advice would be appreciated. I will be back at it tomorrow. Don
where did you buy it from?...maybe they could offer some help.
I bought it new from Obsolete and Classic auto parts in Oklahoma. I called the guy today and he said he has sold thousands of them since he has been there since 1994, and no problems that he knows of. I searched online today and there are plenty of posts on forums with guys having the same problem as mine. One guy said he eliminated the leak by gooping both sides of the gasket with a sealer. I just might try double gasketing it tomorrow, as the old canister gasket would act as a double. If it don't work out I can always go back to the canister and put a new filter in it. Hate to though. Thanks for your reply.
" I called the guy today and he said he has sold thousands of them since he has been there since 1994, and no problems that he knows of."
How come they never know that something is wrong and never had a complaint?
Don try looking at the Y-block site. This is not the first time this issue has occured and they can surely help you figure out what went wrong. I have "over tightening" in the back of my mind from previous readings.
I've always used the stock Ford parts from another motor and have never tried an after market one. What filter did you use? Do the after market one require a different one then the standard Fram PH8A type?
Well I have spent a day and a half on the junky conversion kit and had to abandon it. No matter what I did or tried it still leaked at the gasket. I double gasketed it, used the permatex orange, and nothing worked. I dare say I have never have seen such a piece of crap. I threw it in the back and will be using my old canister with a new filter on Monday. Can't see an over tightening as a cause, and if you would inspect this thing I think you would agree. Yes the conversion does use the PH 8A or the Ford FL1-A, and various other brands. I tried using two different brand filters just to make sure it wasn't a filter issue. Well at least I have the rear main seal leak fixed. Last week I dropped the pan and installed the Victor brand rubber seal kit, and that stopped the really bad leak at the rear main. I was thrilled that the upper rope style half came right out, and I got the upper half on in about fifteen minutes time. I am not fond of the steel pins used to wedge the side seals, but no leaks, so all is well. Thanks everyone for your input. Next week also will be working on putting door and vent glass in with new channels. By the way a couple weeks ago I converted the V8 to the Petronix ignition, along with the hot flame thrower coil. I thought it was going to blast into space when I fired her up. What a difference. I has dual glass packs and it startled me when first firing up.
Just out of curiosity why did you have to change the filter adapter, an older engine? By 57 they all had spin on filters the best I know.
Mine was leaking when I got my car running. I ordered one from a guy on Ebay. Out of Wisconsin. Came with the wrong nut, so I basically paid $ for a gasket. But no leaks! I was very diligent to clean the gasket surface area real well.
All the 57 Fords had the canister type filter when they were built. I worked in a Ford garage when I was fifteen years old back in 1959 and my job was to change oil etc. Changed many canister type on the 57's and it was a pain. I cocked the canister on one of them and pumped a quart or two all over the floor. Bet I am giving my age away. Ha!
Something wrong with this kit. I was very careful with cleaning. This kit cost $20.00 plus shipping. Pure junk.
Quote from: clusterbuster on 2013-01-11 21:51
All the 57 Fords had the canister type filter when they were built. I worked in a Ford garage when I was fifteen years old back in 1959 and my job was to change oil etc. Changed many canister type on the 57's and it was a pain. I cocked the canister on one of them and pumped a quart or two all over the floor. Bet I am giving my age away. Ha!
Thats interesting, I've never seen a 57 with one. I know my 57 223 even had a spin on and I bought it from the original owner in 1966. And all my other 57's had spin on's.
Quote from: clusterbuster on 2013-01-11 21:55
Something wrong with this kit. I was very careful with cleaning. This kit cost $20.00 plus shipping. Pure junk.
Just before I bought my Ranchero I scrapped out 2900lbs of parts and there was probably six of the adapter plates and nuts. Wish I had known..
cluster...not to change the subject, but I noted you said you were going to work on channels and wing windows next week. I just wanted to give you a heads up I'm getting ready to do a door assembly thread with lots of pics. That's what I've been working on for the past 2 days.
Rich
Thanks Rich.
I had this same problem with my kit from Macs. I figured out I was over tightening even though I was using the torque spec in the kit. Threw away the instructions tightened til it felt good and it hasnt leaked a drop in 2 years. Dont give up, It is soooo much easier to change the oil without the canister.
I painted up the canister with a shinny heat resistant paint, put a new filter in and now done with that phase of work. I can't figure out how over tightening would cause such a bad leak. One would think that the tighter the adapter plate was against the gasket the better seal would be obtained. The oil gushed out of it bad. Maybe some day I will address the situation again. I noticed that the filter conversion kit for the 57 V8 on the Dennis Carpenter site had the slot in the adapter plate near the bottom. Do you remember if your slot was at the top or bottom? My kit came with it at the top as the original adapter that I removed. The kit came with no instructions.
If I remember right the slot is in the top. I still have the instructions somewhere with my canister. I will try to dig them out and give you any pointers I have missed.
Thanks 4thgen. Appreciate it. Don
According to the instructions in my kit, the slot goes to the top, and you torque the center insert to 25 ft lbs. This may have been too tight as it kept dumping out. I just used a 3/8 ratchet and tightened like I would the drain plug and it has been fine ever since. I also used a new o-ring from one of my canisters. nothing wrong with the seal that came in the kit. just did this to try something since it wouldnt seal. Hope this helps.
Thanks for the info 4thgen. Sometime when I get all these other projects done, I will address the situation again. Ford Blueblood also mentioned an article about an over tightening issue.
I was seeing post on another forum about problems with the after market kits leaking also.
In the back of my mind I just couldn't remember any of my 57's having a canister filter. I finally located my 57 Shop Manual and it clearly shows the V8's and I6 as using a spin on filter.
Your shop manual must be a later version. I have the newer 57 shop manual and it shows the spin on. All 57 Fords were built with the canister type oil filter. I worked on them for several months during the year they were built and for years afterward. If you go on Ebay you can find the old style cartridge filters for those people that have not converted the original over.
My manual is dated September 1956. I know my 55 had the canister. But I can't imagine the three 57's and one 58 I owned back in the 60's had been converted. Did Ford have some program to convert them when they came in for service? So this still confuses me.
Why does the Ford Shop manual show them as spin ons ?
Ive got a 1957 Motors manual. cant find any wording yet, but the diagrams clearly show a canister.
Don't know. All I know is I worked in a Ford garage on all these engines and also had converted my 54 Mercury hardtop V8 engine to a 312 T-Bird engine back in the 5o's and none had a spin on oil filter. I don't remember any of the 50's cars having a spin on filter let alone the 54,55, 56 & 57 Ford engines. If you must know you could probably email Fram Corp or another oil filter company and ask them when they first built the spin on for Ford, Chevy etc.
I wondering why, if they had the parts to take pictures of in 57 why they didn't put them on the cars :003: Here is a scan from my Ford Shop Manual.
The 292 in my 61 Unibody had a canister type, the 292 in my parted out 57 Custom was a canister....
The only conclusion I can come to is they were possibly a dealer installed option. I may have just been luck and got a few cars that were converted. The adapter has a 57 part number.
215/223/262 I-6, 239/272/292/312 Y blocks used the same "Spin-On" oil filter adapter kit: B7A-6882-A
Thinking back last night and my 1960 Ford Starliner that I owned back in 1963 had the 292 engine with the canister type oil filter also.
This filter thing just had me curious so I did some research. The spin on adapter was built first in 1957. It was a dealer installed option or you could buy it yourself in a parts dept. So it's not too unusual to find some Y Blocks or I6's that have them. But for the life of me I can't figure out why the factory didn't start installing them?
maybe they didn't have enough men available to spin the engines around while someone held on to the filter.
That application sounds more likely in a chevy factory!
Quote from: RICH MUISE on 2013-01-29 13:28
maybe they didn't have enough men available to spin the engines around while someone held on to the filter.
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Was this kit FORD (AUTOLITE - MOTORCRAFT) or a no-name?
The OEM FORD kit is what you need to find.
If you think oil filter canisters date you, I remember servicing oil bath air cleaners... :085:
I was wondering if the people with leak problems are using some aftermarket adapter.
I still have two trucks with oil bath air cleaners :003:
Quote from: KULTULZ on 2013-01-31 03:08
If you think oil filter canisters date you, I remember servicing oil bath air cleaners... :085:
Yup, first car, 50 Olds resqued from the junk yard in 1963....... :001:
Quote from: Ford Blue blood on 2013-01-31 07:53
Yup, first car, 50 Olds resqued from the junk yard in 1963....... :001:
Thats almost like what I did. I went to the junk yard looking for parts for my 55 Ford wagon and came home with a mint 48 Olds, that was about 1967. The 55 wagon was a junk yard rescue too..
The part number on my aftermarket receipt is PO6-11270 and then to the right it has a reference number of B7A-6882-A. The Motorcraft one you have pictured looks different in the center as to color and the gasket looks much heavier. Sometime I will call the Ford parts Dept and see what they have to offer. Well worth looking into. Thanks.
I don't know if Ford has them anymore but I think the ones Dennis Carpenter had/has were original Fords from what I've been told.
The B7A-6882-A part # is the same part number of the conversion kit from Macs.
Quote from: 4thgen57 on 2013-01-31 15:15
The B7A-6882-A part # is the same part number of the conversion kit from Macs.
Using factory parts numbers is common practice, just doesn't mean its the same quality as the OEM parts.
Zap- :unitedstates:
That's right Zapado, that OEM on my invoice is just a reference to the original Ford part number.
Whoops- Zapato not Zapado !!!!!
Oil bath air cleaners are still the best air filter ever made, they are still made and used on off road racers, and truck working in dusty conditions. All the pre 1957 Ford cars I've owned had one.
Yes they are. I have one on my 60 F100 and 66 F250