Gentlemen.....this includes anyone that has made my life difficult! I want to put new rear drums on my 57, the rear end to my knowledge is original, and it is a Ford 9 inch. I'm having a hard time finding 11x2 inch drums, that is what I have on it now. Can someone tell me if its the original rear end by these numbers, WWA-4-4025B, and if so where to get new drums that size. Thanks HRD
I should say that I am taking the 2 inch measurement from the inside, and when I did order drums from Macs the ones I picked up were to wide and hit the backing plate and didn't sit flush with the axle face.
Donnie
The rear wheels are off my car at the moment. I'll check the drum measurements tomorrow and get back to you. I'm pretty sure that I have spares and will measure them tomorrow also. Jeff had previously stated to me that that he needs a set too.
Jay
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2014-04-08 19:38
Donnie
The rear wheels are off my car at the moment. I'll check the drum measurements tomorrow and get back to you. I'm pretty sure that I have spares and will measure them tomorrow also. Jeff had previously stated to me that that he needs a set too.
Jay
Thanks Jay.
Donnie,
Check the lining width not the drum, Customs and Fairlanes were 1 3/4". Ranchero's and Station wagons are 2". Sounds like you got the Ranchero/Station wagon drums from Macs.
Check to see if you have a local brake supply company in the area, they usually can get you anything..
Jim the measurement of my brake lining is 2 inches. Looking at my invoice from Macs, I ordered the Ranchero/Wagon drums, guess that's why they were to wide but it doesn't look like they sell the smaller for the Custom. Still if anyone can check the number that I gave for the rear end just to make sure that I have an original one that would be a great start Thanks HRD
Sorry I can't help with the part number and hopefully someone will. IF you have a custom rear end it looks like you put the wrong shoes on it? The Wagon rear ends use a larger axle bearing and possibly the axle is different length to accommodate the wider shoes or just the drum design is different? Thats something I hadn't thought about in the past.
Feel free to correct me,memory is a bit foggy on this. Back in the 60-70s just about every magazine worthy car had a 57 Ford wagon rearend. Not just beause the 57 housing is the cleanest looking but had the bigger brakes and the wider wheels. And this is where I'm foggy but weren't they narrower by a couple inches at the backing plates to backing plate dimension ? Who has a parts book that can look up and see if they did use different axles, am pretty sure wagons used different bearings.
The other most used rearend was 57 Olds.
Zap- :unitedstates:
Donnie
It looks like I'm not going to be any help to you.
My rear shoes are 1 3/4 wide and my drums are about 2" wide.
I also checked my assortment of rear drums and all of them are the
5 X 5 1/2'' bolt pattern making them pickup truck drums.
That number you gave was not on anything I have. Where did you find it?
I'm going to send you a PM
Jay
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2014-04-09 14:52
Donnie
It looks like I'm not going to be any help to you.
My rear shoes are 1 3/4 wide and my drums are about 2" wide.
I also checked my assortment of rear drums and all of them are the
5 X 5 1/2'' bolt pattern making them pickup truck drums.
That number you gave was not on anything I have. Where did you find it?
I'm going to send you a PM
Jay
Jay I will call you after 9 tonight, but just for the record to others, my brake shoes are also 1 3/4 and my drums measure on the inside lining 2 inches.
OK Donnie
I'll be right here.
Jay
HRD, try Kanter Auto Products. Their latest catalog list the 1957 drums as new production, and 57-59 as "all". this suggest that the drums are the same , but I know the wagon and ranchero have wider shoes, and a larger bearing. That means the housing is different to be able to house the bearing. ...Cost of the drums at Kanters is $99.00 each.
Why not keep the wider drums and get your shoes relined to 2 inches.
Quote from: jumping jack flash on 2014-04-09 21:33
HRD, try Kanter Auto Products. Their latest catalog list the 1957 drums as new production, and 57-59 as "all". this suggest that the drums are the same , but I know the wagon and ranchero have wider shoes, and a larger bearing. That means the housing is different to be able to house the bearing. ...Cost of the drums at Kanters is $99.00 each.
Thanks. I'll check that site out. HRD
Quote from: rmk57 on 2014-04-09 22:36
Why not keep the wider drums and get your shoes relined to 2 inches.
I sent them back already and they hit the backing plate and wouldn't sit tight to the face of the axle, the drums for some reason were wider then my old ones. When I laid them side by side the new ones were wider. I clearly got the wrong ones. HRD
Quote from: jumping jack flash on 2014-04-09 21:33
HRD, try Kanter Auto Products. Their latest catalog list the 1957 drums as new production, and 57-59 as "all". this suggest that the drums are the same , but I know the wagon and ranchero have wider shoes, and a larger bearing. That means the housing is different to be able to house the bearing. ...Cost of the drums at Kanters is $99.00 each.
Looking at the online catalog it list two separate drums and part# for cars and Ranchero/wagons. Both at $119 each.
Donnie
It was a real pleasure talking to you on the phone last night.
Did you get a chance to check out the drums that we were talking about?
When you do , let us know how they matched up to your old ones and if you were able to get them or not.
Jay
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2014-04-10 15:59
Donnie
It was a real pleasure talking to you on the phone last night.
Did you get a chance to check out the drums that we were talking about?
When you do , let us know how they matched up to your old ones and if you were able to get them or not.
Jay
Same here Jay, and I'm still waiting for the fella to call me, said he will call as soon as he digs them out. Went on that Kanter site that was recommended by a fellow poster, but they don't have pics or measurements, need that before I will order, maybe if I get time I will call them. HRD
Donnie..found this at www.classicautoparts.com They list drums for both the wagon and cars.
http://www.classicautopartsonlinecatalog.com/app.php?BookCode=fsz10flx
the link isn't bringing you to the correct page..it's on page 43 :002:
I hate the way their catalog is laid out..too easy to order the wrong part because the descriptions are hard to tell if they are for the pn above it or below it....use caution.
Well I went on that web site Rich and not being able to get measurements from the catalogue, I'm hopeful that they have the ones I need :001: The number on my brake drum is AJ 1126 and the number they have is 5BA 1126, makes me think that the fact that they both have the number 1126 seems hopeful! Thanks I will take their number to work and call for measurements. I will still look local for a bit, only reason is, it'll cost a bit by the time I pay for them and the shipping, I can see near 500 bucks. HRD
Good morning Donnie
It's my opinion that the key to these numbers is in the prefix like AJ or 5BA and that the suffix 1126 just means brake drum.
Someone please correct me if I am incorrect. Jay
Donnie....hold on.....you need to look again at the part number.....thank you however for making my point that the way the catalog is laid out makes it difficult to figure out what to order...the '57 drums are the ones that start with, as most all '57 parts, B7A
The pn is below the description. I believe the passesnger car is B7A-1126-A, and the wagon is B7A-1126-B if I read their catalog correctly.
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2014-04-11 07:48
Good morning Donnie
It's my opinion that the key to these numbers is in the prefix like AJ or 5BA and that the suffix 1126 just means brake drum.
Someone please correct me if I am incorrect. Jay
That makes sense but the fact that the number 1126 is in play makes me think that my rear end maybe original. I can be proven wrong go ahead. HRD
Quote from: RICH MUISE on 2014-04-11 08:00
Donnie....hold on.....you need to look again at the part number.....thank you however for making my point that the way the catalog is laid out makes it difficult to figure out what to order...the '57 drums are the ones that start with, as most all '57 parts, B7A
The pn is below the description. I believe the passesnger car is B7A-1126-A, and the wagon is B7A-1126-B if I read their catalog correctly.
Rich I'm holdin on, I'm not movin, I'm not breathin, I'm checkin before I do any shippin that's what I'm doin no foolin! HRD.
Hey Donnie: Hang on. Patience is a virtue. Do you really need new? I just dropped in to look around, and see you have a delema. I have a mint pair of used drums that I cleaned up, but decided to go another route. They were original to my 70D. If you want to try them or buy them I can beat the hell out of the 500.00 route you were about to go. I won`t ever need them. Just like the old dog. I would like to see them go to a good home. If you remember I am 45 min. from your door. If you want to email me . estaterc@sympatico.ca Cheers Gary
Donnie
You better jump into your car and go pay Gary a visit before Jeff gets them. Take your old ones with you so you can match them up.
Jay
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2014-04-11 22:07
Donnie
You better jump into your car and go pay Gary a visit before Jeff gets them. Take your old ones with you so you can match them up.
Jay
Jeff wouldn't dare! or would she?
Quote from: fordaholic on 2014-04-11 20:35
Hey Donnie: Hang on. Patience is a virtue. Do you really need new? I just dropped in to look around, and see you have a delema. I have a mint pair of used drums that I cleaned up, but decided to go another route. They were original to my 70D. If you want to try them or buy them I can beat the hell out of the 500.00 route you were about to go. I won`t ever need them. Just like the old dog. I would like to see them go to a good home. If you remember I am 45 min. from your door. If you want to email me . estaterc@sympatico.ca Cheers Gary
Email sent Gary thanks.
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2014-04-12 05:05
Wanna bet?
There's no way my friend would do such a thing :voodoo: we've been friends for a while now! :occasion14: I guess anything's possible :017: Wow now that I've had time to think about it, I've been kicked in the balls before :nutkick: Maybe he'll get on here and defend himself like a man! :argue:
You guys are tough!!!!!!!
the backing plate bolts on the big bearing axle are 1/2 inch,the small bearing are 3/8.FYI
Donnie : Check where you sent your email. I haven`t had an email come through from you yet. Look, I don`t want to cause a riff between you two guys. How be I let you have one each? Would that work? Ha Ha. Cheers Hey do think Jeff intercepted your email somehow??
Quote from: fordaholic on 2014-04-12 19:17
Donnie : Check where you sent your email. I haven`t had an email come through from you yet. Look, I don`t want to cause a riff between you two guys. How be I let you have one each? Would that work? Ha Ha. Cheers Hey do think Jeff intercepted your email somehow??
Hey Gary I sent it to that email you gave me and double checked it, so plan B. Here's my email address. hotroddonnie@rocketmail.com. Just send your phone number and I will call or I can give you mine Donnie.
That is a little tricky situation. When I replaced the rear shoes on my Custom, I never measured the lining width and just went to Auto Zone and picked up a new set of bonded lining. Brought them back home and installed them. Put the drums and wheels back on and tightened them up, and lo and behold the wheels wouldn't turn. Figured out that the lining was too wide, took them back, and they said the Custom 300 called for the 2 inch wide. Finally they found the 1 3/4 wide ones and that solved the problem. Guess their computers had the wrong info. If you don't look close there is only that 1/4 inch difference which makes a big difference. The 1 3/4 ones they sold me were the riveted type.
Quote from: clusterbuster on 2014-04-13 07:21
That is a little tricky situation. When I replaced the rear shoes on my Custom, I never measured the lining width and just went to Auto Zone and picked up a new set of bonded lining. Brought them back home and installed them. Put the drums and wheels back on and tightened them up, and lo and behold the wheels wouldn't turn. Figured out that the lining was too wide, took them back, and they said the Custom 300 called for the 2 inch wide. Finally they found the 1 3/4 wide ones and that solved the problem. Guess their computers had the wrong info. If you don't look close there is only that 1/4 inch difference which makes a big difference. The 1 3/4 ones they sold me were the riveted type.
Your right, I'm finding out with every thing I've done, a lot of parts don't work just because its the same year.It started with the frame, then the trunk lock, the trim packages, rear glass seal, brakes, and I'm sure there are lots more. HRD
Thank you guys for helping me with my brake drum problem. Fortunately Gary (fordaholic) was able to help me out, 45 minute drive, met a good guy, saw some cool cars, drums in hand, all good! Thanks Gary see you at a car show soon. HRD
HRD
I'm happy to hear that you got the right drums.
Jay
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2014-04-13 16:17
HRD
I'm happy to hear that you got the right drums.
Jay
Thanks Jay.
Donnie; Glad I could help. We had a good visit. You know that stuff is priceless. We have all been there Donnie. ( anyone who hasn`t, please speak up) . Spring is here finally, and something goes sideways on our new build. One last glitch to deal with. Sleepless nights. Can`t wait to get rockin and rollin with the new ride. Then finally it all comes together. Five years of dreaming; we`re there. Am I right guys? As I see it Donnie is about to explode. It`s raining here cats and dogs and he still can`t get out and give the dream gasser a buzz. Please shed a tear for Donnie
DANG!!!!!!!!!
Donnie.Your Stealing from me!!!!!
Quote from: Jeff Norwell on 2014-04-13 18:04
DANG!!!!!!!!!
Donnie.Your Stealing from me!!!!!
Your back!!!!!
Hey Jeff: Had to help him out. He was in tears.
Quote from: fordaholic on 2014-04-13 19:40
Hey Jeff: Had to help him out. He was in tears.
Fordaholic...WAIT JUST A MINUTE!!!! These are your words.
" I don`t want to cause a riff between you two guys. How be I let you have one each? Would that work?"
Did you change your mind?
He sure did Jay, had them turned this morning, the garage told me they were good drums, just turned them to true them up and I slapped them on tonight after work, getting ready to install front seat belts next. I picked up 4 lap belts from the company I bought my headliner and carpet from. Looking forward to drilling holes in my new floors. HRD
Donnie
That's great! Now that's just one more thing to scratch off of the to do list and one less headache. Has the weather cleared up enough so you can think about getting out and tearing up the road? Do you have to have seat belts up there in older cars? We don't but I will be putting them in. Like I stated before, I found a nice set of original seat belt floor brackets in that 2dr. wagon I bought last year.
I hope that we both manage to get our cars out sometime this year. Jay
The law is the same here for seat belts, if they didn't come you don't have to have them, but I would feel a little safer with them on. We had another blast of snow here Monday night, Saturday everyone's out watering the driveway and wearing shorts, today their clearing snow and wearing gloves! HRD
Quote from: hotroddonnie on 2014-04-16 05:29
The law is the same here for seat belts, if they didn't come you don't have to have them, but I would feel a little safer with them on. We had another blast of snow here Monday night, Saturday everyone's out watering the driveway and wearing shorts, today their clearing snow and wearing gloves! HRD
Donnie
That's the same way the law is here and that's how I feel about the seat belts.
Would you believe that we actually got snow last night?
Here it is the middle of April. We just got a little bit but the western part of the state got more. This winter does just not want to go away.
.
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2014-04-16 07:23
Donnie
That's the same way the law is here and that's how I feel about the seat belts.
Would you believe that we actually got snow last night?
Here it is the middle of April. We just got a little bit but the western part of the state got more. This winter does just not want to go away.
.
What I've gone and done is on the drivers side front and back, I keep my winter tires on and then on the passenger side I put on my summers, which keeps my family safe for both summer and winter!
Quote from: hotroddonnie on 2014-04-16 11:57
What I've gone and done is on the drivers side front and back, I keep my winter tires on and then on the passenger side I put on my summers, which keeps my family safe for both summer and winter!
What??
I heard he only rolls the windows down on one side too, the summer side I assume :003:
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2014-04-16 20:57
I heard he only rolls the windows down on one side too, the summer side I assume :003:
Is that true Donnie?
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2014-04-17 00:44
Is that true Donnie?
I can't say yes or no to what Jim heard, but I only had time to wax the drivers side yesterday!
Quote from: hotroddonnie on 2014-04-17 05:15
I can't say yes or no to what Jim heard, but I only had time to wax the drivers side yesterday!
Good Morning Everyone
So Donnie...Now I get it I think. When we talked on the phone and you stated that you installed posi traction in your 57. Is the real reason that when you drive on the border of winter and summer you will be certain that the car keeps moving? Was that Jeff's idea?
You know Jeff. He's the one that we don't hear from anymore.
I was at Jeff's this week to paint his house, and the boy is swamped with art work he has to get out for customers. He's gotta keep the money coming in for the painter.
I know that Jeff has to do the work when it comes in, but I would like to think that he is thrashing on his 57 and that you are just covering up for him.