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Title: A conudrum with a question
Post by: Zapato on 2015-02-15 12:41
Have a chance to buy a 292 with all accessories, cross members,radiator,mounts, tranny etc... out of a '66 f100 for $300- . Runs great, no smoke, starts and idles fine, no noises needs a water pump. Its tempting as hell but then have already gathered lots of stuff for a 302 swap. No idea what tranny is behind it now so what modern transmissions are there adaptors made to mate to a y-block ?

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Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: Jeff Norwell on 2015-02-15 14:05
C-4,T-5,Ford Top loader,
Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: hiball3985 on 2015-02-15 14:42
Who would put a 292 in a 66 F100? Very strange to me  I guess that would be considered reverse engineering  :003: No Y blocks after 64.
Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2015-02-15 15:17
I was just wondering too.
btw I'd love to put a hopped up Model B 4 banger in a 1957 Chevy, or maybe a flathead V8 in a second series Camaro. that'd be nice to have when the LS and 350 guys wonna look under the hood.... :003: we should put a turboed 223 inline 6 in a Corvette Z6  :002:

concerning the 302vs292.
I have had a 302 in the delivery and a 351W in the Delrio. make great reliable drivetrains on good milage, cheap spare parts, everythings in stock, but...well...just not the sound and looks of a Y block. I am building a nice 292 to replace the 351 in my DelRio. I'd get that 292, especially if it's reasonably priced.
I have bought a trans adapter for AOD/Y-block from Bendtsen Speed Gems. very nice engineering and good fit. includes everything you need, flywheel adapter, bolts and mini starter
Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: Zapato on 2015-02-15 17:13
oops, must have been a fat finger or senior moment its a 64 not a 66.

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Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: lalessi1 on 2015-02-15 17:33
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2015-02-15 15:17
I was just wondering too.
btw I'd love to put a hopped up Model B 4 banger in a 1957 Chevy, or maybe a flathead V8 in a second series Camaro. that'd be nice to have when the LS and 350 guys wonna look under the hood.... :003: we should put a turboed 223 inline 6 in a Corvette Z6  :002:

concerning the 302vs292.
I have had a 302 in the delivery and a 351W in the Delrio. make great reliable drivetrains on good milage, cheap spare parts, everythings in stock, but...well...just not the sound and looks of a Y block. I am building a nice 292 to replace the 351 in my DelRio. I'd get that 292, especially if it's reasonably priced.
I have bought a trans adapter for AOD/Y-block from Bendtsen Speed Gems. very nice engineering and good fit. includes everything you need, flywheel adapter, bolts and mini starter

Guenter, man I love the way you think!!!!
Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: hiball3985 on 2015-02-15 18:14
A 64 Y is probably the lowest HP Y ever made. Low compression, small valves. It would be fine for a driver. I think any running Y is worth at least $300. The truck bell housing is different and won't work in a car application. People have put T5's behind Y blocks but I don't think it's a cheap conversion to do.
Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: 57 imposter on 2015-02-15 18:26
Quote from: lalessi1 on 2015-02-15 17:33
Guenter, man I love the way you think!!!!
I know a guy who has put a 4.6 cobra engine with a six speed in an absolutely perfect 1956 210 2dr post. he has had it over to our big annual show twice and the reaction from the GM crowd is with the with the price of admission.  I asked one of them "Why all the hysteria? when you consider the number of gm's in fords?" He looked at me like it was a dumb question. go figure.



Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: Ecode70D on 2015-02-15 21:39
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2015-02-15 15:17
I was just wondering too.
btw I'd love to put a hopped up Model B 4 banger in a 1957 Chevy, or maybe a flathead V8 in a second series Camaro. that'd be nice to have when the LS and 350 guys wonna look under the hood.... :003: we should put a turboed 223 inline 6 in a Corvette Z6  :002:

    Guenter
    I knew right in the beginning that you are OK.  It's music to my ears.   That's something I always talked about doing. The problem was that I always ended up putting the nice engine into a Ford.   Jay
Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: SkylinerRon on 2015-02-16 00:31
X2 on the 292.  302 has no advantage over the 292 for a driver.
The deeper truck bell will work with the longer input small block toploader if the bolt pattern is correct.
$300 is a steal. Just put on ECZ-G heads.
On anything that old it may not be a 64 engine. Check all the #'s you may be happily suprised!
Goodluck,
Ron.
Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: Ecode70D on 2015-02-16 08:31
Quote from: SkylinerRon on 2015-02-16 00:31

$300 is a steal. Just put on ECZ-G heads.
On anything that old it may not be a 64 engine. Check all the #'s you may be happily suprised!
Goodluck,
Ron.

    Listen to what  Ron just said.  After all these years, you would be surprised at what some early hot rodders did.  FWIW   I also agree that it is a good deal.
Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: Zapato on 2015-02-16 09:02
currently has a truck tranny but has a 3sp top loader in good shape that he's throwing in.

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Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2015-02-16 16:43
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2015-02-15 21:39
    Guenter
    I knew right in the beginning that you are OK.  It's music to my ears.   That's something I always talked about doing. The problem was that I always ended up putting the nice engine into a Ford.   Jay

Jay, you are right, would be a shame to waste a good engine in one of those heaps. But, I'm itching. how many times have we been bothered by the bowtie crowd about their holy grail of 350 cui....they put it in Fords, Mercurys, even Lincolns I've seen. I have seen several 57 wagons in the classifieds with Mouse engines and there even was a feature story in R&C a few years ago with a 350 in a 57 Del Rio .....now, that is too much.
I can't find the pic, but there was a late model car with a hopped up flathead at Bonneville some yrs ago. either a 2nd generation Nova or a Barracuda or something like that.
You know that I am guilty for cherishing 1 or 2 years of the other brand, 55 and 65 namely, but I promise, if I ever sin again in getting one of those, I'll put in a Flathead or Y block. :003: it would be such a relief.
what a shame about the engine, but imagine an F code 312 in an original triple black 57 FI Corvette....just beautiful ! :003:
I think the E code should go in a J2 Olds... we'll put a mild 272 or a 239 in a 59 Cadillac Biarritz... the 255 Mercury flattie will go in a '65 Buick Riviera and I think there should be a 427SOHC in a 69 Pontiac GTO. donating one of my hopped up Volkswagen engines for a Corvair....I could go on and on, and on ...  :003:
sorry for ruining your topic, Zap.
Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: Zapato on 2015-02-16 18:01
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2015-02-16 16:43
sorry for ruining your topic, Zap.

No problem DJ, just got done sending a message and if he still has it the 292 will be mine. Been debating myself for a couple days and a 292 my 57 once had and a 292 is just what it deserves. Also found and bought yesterday some power steering parts off a truly off topic vehicle that will try to make work, and if they don't its ok they came by at really reasonable price.

Do want to find a set of exhaust manifolds that don't crossover in front. And a factory 4 bbl manifold would also be nice. Have a birthday coming up so will keep my wife informed of any leads.

And at some point , heck why wait , will be asking for advise on a mild street cam.

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Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: Zapato on 2015-02-16 18:34
Checked my phone and found that I had Mike's phone number, called him and now its mine. Good day in Zapatoville.

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almost forgot the 3sp came out of a 64 289 falcon, like I said good day here.
Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: RICH MUISE on 2015-02-16 19:23
Zap....I guess that's the one that was on the 52-59 social club with a video?
Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: Zapato on 2015-02-16 19:40
that's the one, didn't know he posted it there also. saw it on the NW HAMBERS group. I've dealt with him before real honest doesn't oversell and tells you everything he knows up front. will head down sometime next week and get it all.

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Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: Ecode70D on 2015-02-16 20:16
Quote from: Zapato on 2015-02-16 19:40
that's the one, didn't know he posted it there also. saw it on the NW HAMBERS group. I've dealt with him before real honest doesn't oversell and tells you everything he knows up front. will head down sometime next week and get it all.

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Good for you Zap.  I'm glad that you got it.
Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: SkylinerRon on 2015-02-16 21:21
Zap,
Good for you.
Use 57 up pass. car manifolds. They are the largest internally.
Good for 10-15 hp alone over the early stuff.
The 57 4bl intake is also very good.
Goodluck,
Ron.
Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2015-02-17 03:08
good decision ! take care with exhaust manifolds, there are earlier manifolds with smaller cross section, as said you'd want 1957 pssgr/dual exhaust manifolds. If you want I can look for the casting numbers on mine, so you will be looking for the right ones.
really interested what the engine turns out to be. Once pulled a Y from a 53(!) Merc until I found it was an original Dearborn foundry 1957. later blocks are great too, have provisions for full PCV.
Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: SkylinerRon on 2015-02-17 23:11
All the 57-up pass car manifolds are the large size.
56 back are much smaller and some have the crossover pipe.
Some have a tube for the auto choke line (60 up I think).
57 up distributor is a must also.
Goodluck,
Ron.
Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: Ecode70D on 2015-02-19 01:48
Quote from: SkylinerRon on 2015-02-17 23:11
57 up distributor is a must also.
Goodluck,
Ron.

  Your'e not kidding about the 57 up distributor.  I found that out last year when I discovered that I had a 56 one  in my engine and didn't realize it..   The 57 makes a world of difference.
Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: Zapato on 2015-02-28 11:32
heading down either monday or tuesday to pick it up,now know its a 62 292. think I'll be using a T85 3 sp out of a 57 bird that is now behind a 57 olds J2. looking for a passenger car bell housing will figure out some way to use a hydraulic slave cylinder rather than mess with z-bar etc... guess will also be searching for a floor shifter. so if my father-in-law keeps himself medically ok for a few days it 'll be home soon.

dj would love to have the right casting numbers.

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Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2015-02-28 12:36
Zap, this is what you'd be looking for
EDB 9430-A       (right side/pssgr)
EDB 9431-B       (left/drvr)
Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: BWhitmore on 2015-02-28 13:08
On Ebay now.
Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: Zapato on 2015-03-04 07:45
leaving here in a few minutes headed south to La Pine, Or to pick up the 292 and all the rest of the load, found a passenger car bell housing yesterday all by accident. seems like y-block parts are not so hard to find after all. still looking for exhaust manifolds, 4bbl intake manifold and an autolite 4100 carb.

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Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: Zapato on 2015-03-04 21:04
its mine and its home. good day was had by all.

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Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: Zapato on 2015-03-11 23:09
guy sent me an e-mail today with pictures of a pair of exhaust manifolds, wants $125- +shipping good deal or not? let me know.

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Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: Jeff Norwell on 2015-03-12 06:51
Zap,
I think that is a good deal, can't buy headers for that.
Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: Ford Blue blood on 2015-03-12 07:54
Quote from: Zapato on 2015-03-11 23:09
guy sent me an e-mail today with pictures of a pair of exhaust manifolds, wants $125- +shipping good deal or not? let me know.

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Go for it!  Just sold a good pair for 200 + the ride and he never flinched.  That was a number I pulled out of my b___, had no idea they were going in the 2 - 300 range.
Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: DanTudor57 on 2015-03-12 10:47
$125 is a great price. I sold a set for $225 last week. and I have multiple calls on a second set I have posted for $250... wow.

If you can find the ezc-B 4 brl intake for under $200, jump. I am selling those around here for an easy $275. I've sold two in the last  month, and again, have multiple calls for my two others that I have posted for $300.. at these prices, more wow...


I am seeing a huge new  interest in our '57s. Been getting a slew of calls from people that are restoring them. Most of these guys are not very knowledgeable in the car, only that they want to restore it so are outsourcing the work, 4 guys in the last two weeks.. Lots of good long phone calls sharing the knowledge with them.


Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: Zapato on 2015-03-12 14:14
this being my 1st y-block have no idea what is or isn't a good deal, so you guys won't be surprised if more questions are coming, like hy won't Mummerts' ram horns don't work in passenger cars just trucks.

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Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: junior58 on 2015-03-12 15:38
Zap, I thinks it's because the passenger car crossmember is in a different position to the truck one so won't clear.
Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: djfordmanjack on 2015-03-12 16:32
I think the ram horn's center will dump exactly into the steering gear on the drivers side
125 for the pair of manifold is very reasonable. I'd get them asap.
Title: Re: A conudrum with a question
Post by: Zapato on 2015-03-14 14:06
ok! exhaust manifolds are mine just waiting for shipping quote.

now next question, are all y-block intake manifolds universal, or do  need to search for specific casting numbers and years to fit my 62 292? going to guess 57 and newer..........

this first for me trek into the world of y blocks is really starting to expand my ford knowledge.

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