I'm painting my engine & transmission red, but I'm getting conflicting opinions on the right shade. I've done the transmission (see below) but I'm now wondering if it's too orange? Any opinions? I don't want folks thinking I've use C***y engine paint!
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Transmissions were not usually painted at all. If you're going for the y-block red, that shade you have there looks way to bright.
Thanks, the only reason I painted the transmission was because someone else had painted it previously. I've looked on the POR colour chart & the Y block red is darker, should have asked all this before I started painting...... Oh well, time to break out the spray gun again!
I personally use a color called Rangoon Red, Code J, off a 1965 Ford truck in place of the spray can variations. It is a very attractive red/orange similar to the original color but more vibrant. I never use spray can paint on engines, as they are one-part paints and re-wet if any fuel or solvent get on them. I have the paint store mix the Rangoon Red in a single-stage urethane(catalyzed) and spray it through a gun after a coat of epoxy primer. I realize this is more effort and expense, but the results will be amazing. With this method the paint will be as durable as the outside paint on your car, and stay fresh looking forever, and make your detailing very professional looking.
I have used the Por-15 engine paint kits in the past and love the "Ford" red kit.If you follow instructions ..I find the finish is outstanding and in my case ... very durable.I tend to like it to to the "porcelain " feel finish...But... that's just me being an artist.
Unfortunately... there are no custom colours....
After having Corporate Ford blue, 66-67 era, urethane mixed and sprayed onto my 427, I find myself wishing I had done it in black instead. The blue looks really, really good, but doesnt really fit my 1962-63 era build well. If I had doneit in black, it would have looked 100% correct in my effort to build it as if it had been done in 63. I did fudge a little on the intake and valve covers. Those werent available until 66 and 68, but they do look good. At some later point, when I go through the 427 to upgrade it with crank, rods and pistons, I will change the color to black. In the end, it really is all about the look you want. Like Pat, I never use spray bombs any more, better quality stuff even in the cheapest of auto paints.
Would the engine colour in 57 have varied depending on the engine type? I've seen red, black and blue over the years. I chose red as it was a complete contrast to the blue & white of the body.
I love old Ford promo mock ups..... and this 63 M/T cover is a visual dream for me....I understand no Ford engine came red in 63.... but the look is what i love..truth be known.. it was most likely a dummy set up for display only.
Images like this set 100,000 kids on modelling adventures.
I love red and black... but the 427 pictured here is a perfect balance on a BB Ford for me.(or any engine)I understand its not restoration correct...but I am not in that room at all.
To the best of my knowledge all the Y blocks in passenger cars were red in 57, only valve cover decals varied depending on the engine.. Some early Y blocks in trucks were yellow or black through the years.
All FE's and 221, 260, 289 were black until 1965, then in 1966 everything went blue but there weren't any Y blocks in US cars, they ended in 1964..
I have 3 Y block powered cars . A 55 Tbird , 56 Merc and my 57 Country Sedan Wagon. All of the engines are painted red. The Merc was supposed to be gold or cream color but I just couldn't do it. I like red engines so they are red !
I like Eastwoods engine paints and use either their universal red or Ford red.
Thanks everyone, red it is then! I need to put an order in with Eastwood so I'll get the paint from there and use it over an epoxy primer.
I notice this thread has earned me my second "smite", I guess someone saw it as a stupid question to ask....................
I used Eastwood's red. Liked it. What is a smite? I guses it not so good?
Quote from: fdlrc on 2017-01-28 17:04
I used Eastwood's red. Liked it. What is a smite? I guses it not so good?
It's your Karma score on the left, you do something got& get a +, if someone doesn't like what you say you get a -. I got one a couple of years ago for talking about annual safety inspections we have to have here, the second with this thread. Not the end of the world but a bit of a kick in the teeth when I like this place so much.
Eastwood products are usually pretty good, I'm picking the engine up tomorrow so hope to get it painted next week.
I checked, mine is universal red.
I guess I was brought up to pick your battles, if someone says something, that in your opinion, is wrong or you don't like it, just to let it go. Unless its something like the ship is sinking. Do I get a - for saying this?
Gary, I got a smite just the other day and I have no idea to as why. Guess it isn't that bad. :003:
concerning the color it is very difficult to judge on the computer screen, but to me that red looks quite ok.
I think the Y blocks came in different colors each model year, the 57s should be red I guess. later truck engines were yellow.
Gary
The red looks good. I've painted a lot of my engines that color. The important thing is that it is a good engine and transmission.
The color of the engine "Aint gonna git you home" .
Don't worry about the smite. Life will go on.
Jay
Yes Gary.Agree with Jay and the other guys..roll on.. Your red looks good and it's your car.....Your a talented fella.
I've never been a 100% purist, I had a dark metallic blue 1958 and when I built the engine I painted it blue. I do what I like and don't care what others think. I think the applaud/smite thing is unimportant and I wouldn't miss it if it was gone :burnout:
I've been hung up on 9 smites for months now...I beginning to think the smite button wasn't working any more, lol. I honestly think some/many have been using it just as a "difference of opinion" button, and I'm sure that is really it's intent and not to be construed as a personal attack.
Wow! I didn't have a clue what that even was. Jeff, I think I just smited you accidentally, I clicked on "smite" to see what it was (by your post).... SORRY!
On another hotrod forum I used to use, smites were seen as a personal attack and were the cause of many an argument, I'll just ignore them if no-one on here bothers about them!
Anyway, today I pushed the Ranchero outside (okay, towed it out, it's getting too heavy to push now!!!), it's the first time it's sat out in the rain!
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The reason for this act of cruelty was to back the trailer in to unload the engine! The guy rebuilding it had it for 18 months, he only works on them part time and I instructed him to take his time as while it was in his workshop I wasn't falling over it in my workshop! It's been rebuilt carefully rather than being thrown together, everything has been cleaned, balanced and measured, a much better effort than I could have done. I've got a set of new aluminum heads to go on, I've just got to write my shopping list for Summit, it's surprising how all the bits & pieces that are either missing or worn out adds up........
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You're not doing something right if you haven't been smited.
Looks like a 302-351? What are the details on the engine and which aluminum heads did you decide on. Shipping must be a killer to England I would think.
Quote from: rmk57 on 2017-01-29 12:03
Looks like a 302-351? What are the details on the engine and which aluminum heads did you decide on. Shipping must be a killer to England I would think.
It's a very late 1979 302 with a 40 thou overbore, the heads were the aluminum Chinese ones that are always on EBay, I bought a set through a UK seller and had them stripped & checked & they were actually very good!
Now seeing you are going to use one of the blue motors I don't know if I would paint it red, but do what ever makes you happy :003: Your Ranchero is looking so good.
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2017-01-29 13:01
Now seeing you are going to use one of the blue motors I don't know if I would paint it red, but do what ever makes you happy :003: Your Ranchero is looking so good.
It's dawned on me that by the time I've fitted the aluminum heads, polished intake & timing cover, aluminized headers etc, etc, you'll hardly be able to see what color the engine block is.
Quote from: Limey57 on 2017-01-29 13:16
It's dawned on me that by the time I've fitted the aluminum heads, polished intake & timing cover, aluminized headers etc, etc, you'll hardly be able to see what color the engine block is.
Thats true. I have a general rule that when I can't decide on a color for a part it gets painted black :003:
Quote from: lalessi1 on 2017-01-29 10:09
Wow! I didn't have a clue what that even was. Jeff, I think I just smited you accidentally, I clicked on "smite" to see what it was (by your post).... SORRY!
I also didn't know what a smite was and clicked it on next to my name. Somehow I managed to give myself my first smite.
Now I stay far away from that smite stuff.
Gary Your car and your engine look beautiful. Jay
You got to love the SBF for its reliablity. So far I have had only good experiences with 302s and I have another one (very late 65 (66) 289) in the makings. I have one of those 1970s 302s in the 34 that I bought from Jay, and it's just a terrific little engine for everyday use. One important thing though, 302s are revving and not so much torquey engines. I'd say in the ( fairly) heavy Ranchero, if you use it with a 3spd C4 it is important not to have too tall rear axle gearing. a 3.50 is probably the lowest I would go. a 4.11 with a 0.7 AOD would be a cool drivetrain with a 302.
Jay used a super cool posi 2.47 9" in the 34. The tall gearing is perfect for highway cruising. I don't know what the speedlimit is in England, but be warned that the 302 only comes to life in direct gear at 100mph+ :003:
btw, getting back on topic, why not painting the aluminium parts and make it look like factory stuff. either red or blue.
Quote from: djfordmanjack on 2017-01-29 16:18
You got to love the SBF for its reliablity. So far I have had only good experiences with 302s and I have another one (very late 65 (66) 289) in the makings. I have one of those 1970s 302s in the 34 that I bought from Jay, and it's just a terrific little engine for everyday use. One important thing though, 302s are revving and not so much torquey engines. I'd say in the ( fairly) heavy Ranchero, if you use it with a 3spd C4 it is important not to have too tall rear axle gearing. a 3.50 is probably the lowest I would go. a 4.11 with a 0.7 AOD would be a cool drivetrain with a 302.
Jay used a super cool posi 2.47 9" in the 34. The tall gearing is perfect for highway cruising. I don't know what the speedlimit is in England, but be warned that the 302 only comes to life in direct gear at 100mph+ :003:
btw, getting back on topic, why not painting the aluminium parts and make it look like factory stuff. either red or blue.
I thought about painting it all and even trying to get hold of and adapt some "Thunderbird" rocker covers, or making some 302 ones look like them, kinda making a Y-block lookalike out of a 302, but that's kinda cheating, so I went back to the plan of making the engine look like a 302. The rest of the Ranchero has a "subtly modified" look so I'm going to keep the engine fitting in with that theme, along with the AOD behind it.
Our maximum speed limit is 70mph but to be honest, the top speed isn't that important, it's how fast you can get to your intended speed and the note of the exhaust that does it for me.
Regrading weights, the Ranchero isn't as heavy as it seems, having a curb weight of around 3500lbs, while the metal may be thicker than today's cars, the lack of accessories and (often unnecessary!!!!) factory extras on modern cars really whack up their weight. My 2016 BMW has a curb weight of 3900lbs and has so many pointless gadgets that after 4 months of ownership I still haven't figured what they all do!
well said Gary.
Modern cars could be much more economical if they didn't have to carry 500 pds of nonsense around. Think of how Ford built the compacts like Falcon and Comet at 2500pds or less, more than 50 yrs ago !
With my 1962 144 L6 Comet it made the same milage as 50 yrs younger SUV or modern fullsize.
What I meant to point out wiht the 302 was, if you want to have good acceleration you have to use the right transmission and especially rear axle ratio. I feel that the 302 comes to life at 3000 up. It will make a good low rpm cruiser as well but will lack the torque for faster acceleration in high gear.
The 302 in my 34 does approx 1800RPM at 60mph with tall tires and the 2.47 rear and it works really nice, but then the 34 is much lighter than a 57 and I feel the gearing should not be any taller for my car. I'd be really curious about the ratio of your rear axle and your driving experience as soon as the Ranchero is on the road. I am particulary interested in how it works out with the very tall 0.67 AOD OD.
I think that the AOD will give you a great total ratio for the Ranchero with a 3.96 or 4.11 rear. It would take the total gearing down to approx 2.8.
Reason for all of my saying is that I have been reading and collecting info and drivetrain parts for quite some time. I have 2 AODS 2 C4s a 289,302,351 and even a speed gems adapter to put a Y block in front of a AOD. my rear axles are 2.47 and 3.25 and I have a 3.0 Maverick 8". Not bragging. some of those are in my cars, some spare parts. I am just investigating what will be my favorite drivetrain combo for the future. I think there is a lot to gain in driving pleasure with the right drivetrain. While some might be all out for power like James with the 427 , others might just want a reliable everyday fuel saving cruiser. I think here in Europe we do appreciate milage and Autobahnability ( :003:) more than all out power.
To be honest the choice of using an AOD was simply because one came with the Ranchero, so I'll report on how well it all works when it's on the road (hopefully in a couple of months).
Sure looking forward to your report.
lol..I guess we woke up the SMITEr..I got my 10th.
Quote from: RICH MUISE on 2017-01-30 20:54
lol..I guess we woke up the SMITEr..I got my 10th.
At least they are free :003: Always think positive..
Quote from: RICH MUISE on 2017-01-30 20:54
lol..I guess we woke up the SMITEr..I got my 10th.
This is the only car site that I now of where the members go that extra mile to help fellow car guys.
They share their parts and their priceless knowledge and experience. I can't even count all of the times
that I have received help here. It is greatly appreciated
All of the goodwill that happens here overshadows the SMITEr..
Quote from: Ecode70D on 2017-01-31 08:13
This is the only car site that I now of where the members go that extra mile to help fellow car guys.
They share their parts and their priceless knowledge and experience. I can't even count all of the times
that I have received help here. It is greatly appreciated
All of the goodwill that happens here overshadows the SMITEr..
Agree 100%, from what I can see EVERY single poster on here is a decent sort who is only too happy to go over & above to help fellow enthusiasts, wherever they may be. I guess the Smiters are more like snipers and lurk in the undergrowth, ready to strike a smite and scurry back into the undergrowth with no-one noticing them.
Quote from: RICH MUISE on 2017-01-30 20:54
lol..I guess we woke up the SMITEr..I got my 10th.
and 11th, and 12th
WHY?
It may just be somebody who doesn't understand what the button is for?
Question: can visitors to the site use the buttons or only members?
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2017-02-09 08:11
Question: can visitors to the site use the buttons or only members?
Members only, I just logged out and viewed the page to confirm this.
?? the only posts I did when I got the last two were when I was commenting on DJ's back floor pan looking different, and when I posted a comment on the doors wanted thread that I sent a pm to Bill. I guess either could have angered someone.
Funny, I was thinking about suggesting the button be renamed (to "disagree"?), but at least this way I can always chaulk it up to someone not understanding what "smite" meant....I didn't, I just assumed it was the opposite of applaud.
With that said, I've got upwards of 7000 posts, if 12 of them annoyed someone, that ain't all that bad, and I still think the feature should remain intact. It really is a good thing...makes you rethink how you're wording stuff sometimes so you don't unintentionally bash someone. :001:
With that in mind, a funny thought, most of you guys know how nasty the Hamb can get sometimes......ever notice they only have a "like" button. Can you imagine the tally some would have if they had a negative button.
I sometimes wonder who's toes I stepped on to get the smites, but I really don't care :003:
Quote from: RICH MUISE on 2017-02-09 10:18
It really is a good thing...makes you rethink how you're wording stuff sometimes so you don't unintentionally bash someone. :001:
Very true. I'm always conscious that although we speak the same language we spell certain things differently, use different phrases and sometimes have very different sense of humours, hence whenever I type something on here I have to "think American". Also the typed word can be read very differently to how the person that typed it meant it to be read.
QuoteWith that in mind, a funny thought, most of you guys know how nasty the Hamb can get sometimes......ever notice they only have a "like" button. Can you imagine the tally some would have if they had a negative button.
Haha! Oh yes, I've seen some real nasty arguments on there! I stopped using it after I discovered this place, I found that over there I was typing, then re-typing several times before actually posting something for fear of someone taking it the wrong way. Unfortunately doing that your ends up with your post not displaying any feelings whatsoever and almost looks like it's been written by a robot!
Quote from: hiball3985 on 2017-02-09 10:44
I sometimes wonder who's toes I stepped on to get the smites, but I really don't care :003:
I got my first one when I wrote about annual vehicle safety inspections (based on what we have here) and I think some mistook my post for me meaning that I thought everyone should have them, rather than just a general discussion around them. I got my second one after I posted this thread which I think was because I used the "C" word (C***y).........
I know I got some of my early ones years ago when I commented about how bad a movie I thought "Thunder Road" really was. It was all in jest, at least that's how I took it...lol Wildhog even banned me for a week over that one.
I did get some serious ones after that when I did a post without thinking about what I was doing, or how it sounded. We were in our early stages here of figuring out the 4.6 dohc conversions, and I had been talking back and forth with Mark, a member, about it. During that time, a new member and friend of a moderator, posted an ad for a Lincoln Towncar and Mark was replying to it. I knew the Towncar did not have the DOHC version that Mark was looking for. Without thinking I just posted a note on that thread to Mark that this was not what he wanted. I should have sent him a pm, but did it publicly....it was Stupid....a member advertising a car, and I'm posting it's not what is wanted!! James got involved, etc....not a good time. Anyway, just an example of how easy it is to type something trying to help without thinking about how your words can be construed.
I like a couple of other guys could care less about the "smites". I build my stuff the way I want to, share ideas, don't ask for opinions, and don't "dis" someone for their thoughts. I will draw attention to something I believe or know to be unsafe in order to prevent an issue down the road for that person and anyone else that may want to do the same thing. Not that it hasn't been a long road "un-programing" 30 years of direct talk learned in the Navy. My first real job in a "polite" work place had several learning talks and made for a couple of tough years. Email in the work place made me learn to think before hitting the "send" button. That too was due to several learning talks.....