PhotoShoping your car for ideas

[57AGIN]

Rich:

I too had never heard of the roof being to flexible, but apparently it is something paint shops run into on occasion,  I've attached a photo of the roof after using the electric welding gun (if that is what it is), I also took a photo of the electric gun.  Maybe one of the more knowledgeable about body work will recognize it.  It took them a couple of hours in one afternoon. As you can see from the other shot of the roof with the skim coat applied, you can't tell anything was done.  However, when you push down on the top now it doesn't flop up and down nearly as much as it did before.  I think Pete indicated that with too much flex eventually it can lead to adhesion problems.  He doesn't want preventable problems on the cars he paints s he depends on word of mouth for referrals and repeat business.

Bob
57 AGIN

[RICH MUISE]

looks to me like one of those stud welding guns used to temporarily weld a stud that can be used for dent pulling. I guess anything that applies a high localized heat would work...very clever of them if that's what it is. lol..you may be giving away one of his trade secrets. Sure beats the walnut shells you get with a torch/hammer/dolly for shrinking metal. Rich

[tarheel57]

Zapato,hugger orange is a GM color,it came out on the 69 camaros and a few other GM body styles after that.Ford also had an orange that came out on the 69 mustangs that was just a shade darker than the hugger orange.Ford called theirs Grabber orange.Ford is using this same Grabber orange and also a Grabber blue on some of the new mustangs now.I agree with you they both are beautiful colors and would look great on a 57 ford. Tarheel57

[Zapato]

Could not for the life of me remember which color was the ford or chev, and I have to agree either color would be great on a 57

Zap-

[Ford Blue blood]

65 Mustang Poppy Red was a great color and it was heavy on the orange side.

[57AGIN]

Well Everyone:

I'm going in later today to pick up some more paint samples to choose from.  The car should be going into primer later this week.  His metal man has been working for several days on the two front fenders.  Apparently over the years as people looked at the engine bay or were working on the engine there was lots of contact with the fenders and when all the paint is removed and you run your hand across the fender you can feel lots of slight depressions.  These are being worked out and not just skim coated over.  I find it comforting to think that this kind of workmanship is going into the car.

Meanwhile, Rick and I are working on all the miscellaneous pieces that we can.  The 57 steering box was rebuild by ABS Brakes.  The steering wheel was refurbished by Koch's Steering wheels.  All the stainless and chrome has been redone and we are working on the window felts, mechanisms and door lock hardware at his house.  Rick being a bachelor has really helped out at his home, check out the photos and see what I mean.

Bob
57 AGIN

[JPotter57]

Good thing Rick's not married.  My wife would shoot me, Bob, and not even think about it, lol.  Let us see some samples

[shopratwoody]

Yea, I would say Rick is a big help :003:Next time don't put elbows
or forearms on front fenders. Look'n good

[57AGIN]

Well, I've finally settel ed on a color combination for my 57.

It is going to be a House of Colors Tru Blue (75%) and House of Colors Majik Blue (25%) with lots of pearlescent over an 08-10 Scion Pewter.  I refer to the Scion's as "Clown Cars" as they remind me of the little boxy cars that clowns used to get into and out of at the circus, some of my friends refer to them as "Toasters."  But the colors seem to go very well together Pete Santini and I both like the combination.  Hopefully we'll soon see.  His 10 hp compressor motor took a dump after 28 years of painting cars and he's scrambling to get back to the paint booth.  Meanwhile my 57 is still being skim coated and blocked, it's not quite ready to shot with primer.  But, I've been told, very soon.  It looks like I'll miss the first several months of the car show season this year, but that will make the wife happy. lol

Bob
57 AGIN

[cool57]

Well Everyone:

I'm going in later today to pick up some more paint samples to choose from.  The car should be going into primer later this week.  His metal man has been working for several days on the two front fenders.  Apparently over the years as people looked at the engine bay or were working on the engine there was lots of contact with the fenders and when all the paint is removed and you run your hand across the fender you can feel lots of slight depressions.  These are being worked out and not just skim coated over.  I find it comforting to think that this kind of workmanship is going into the car.

Meanwhile, Rick and I are working on all the miscellaneous pieces that we can.  The 57 steering box was rebuild by ABS Brakes.  The steering wheel was refurbished by Koch's Steering wheels.  All the stainless and chrome has been redone and we are working on the window felts, mechanisms and door lock hardware at his house.  Rick being a bachelor has really helped out at his home, check out the photos and see what I mean.

Bob
57 AGIN

What a way to live! ......I love it!!!!!!

[RICH MUISE]

Bob...a more contemporary look would be pic #1 again, but a darker tone of silver/gray(similar to the tone(lightness/darkness)of the third car in the pic.I think I remember seeing some late model Lincoln Towncars with the color I'm talking about.   Rich

:001:Sounds like you are going pretty close to what I was talking about..lol...what's the door prize? It's gonna look awesome!! another thing to think about...Is there such a thing as TOO shiney on a car like ours? I was discussing clears with my friend at the restoration shop and he uses Sherman Williams #950 (@$300 a gallon) for his 'show car' finishes...won't use anything else. He showed me a Camaro he painted 4 years ago and the stuff is awesome. It has an incredibly deep shiney finish to it, but it got me to wondering if I wanted my car to be that shiney. My friend asked me if there was such a thing as too shiney..maybe there isn't for most folks, but I have definetly seen some cars that were too shiney imho. I'm thinking comments made by the announcers at Barrett Jackson may be filtering into my thought process, and I do realize that a car being restored to factory specs can easily be too shiney, but I'm just talking about customs. I'll be making the decision in the next week or so, but right now I'm leaning towards Matrix #42 (244. gal.) because I've had great sucess with it in the past...looks good, is run resitant (really good feature for minimal experienced painters) and is very durable. Bob, do you know what Santini uses? Rich

[bossguy]

Rich:

I too had never heard of the roof being to flexible, but apparently it is something paint shops run into on occasion,  I've attached a photo of the roof after using the electric welding gun (if that is what it is), I also took a photo of the electric gun.  .

Bob
57 AGIN

In the late 60's, early 70's era of acid dipped pro stock cars they used to spray the inside of doors and quarters with spray in foam insulation. It added strength without weight. Not sure what you could do with a roof though.

[57AGIN]

Rich & Bossguy:

I really don't know anything about the clears.  I'll talk to Santini.  I think the guys announcing at Barrett-Jackson may be referring to restoring a car to stock and having too "shiny" a finish.  Sinci mine isn't by any stretch of the imagination mistaken for a restored stock vehicle.  I'm not too worried about too shiny.  Pete knows I'm not looking for a Grand National Show vehicle, it'n not a daily driver either, but it will be driven as much as I can, probablly not to ad from the super-market, but to the beach.  I'll show it, but it won't be a "garage queen."  I just decided that since I probably won't have enough time or money left after my complete retirement, this will probably be the only time to have a car totally what I want, so I did far more than I thought I would at first.

I really don't think Santini was worried about roof strength, but if the roof flexes too much it could possibly cause the paint to separate from the roof.  He's seen some weird things in past years.

Bob
57 AGIN

[Zapato]

In the late 60's, early 70's era of acid dipped pro stock cars they used to spray the inside of doors and quarters with spray in foam insulation. It added strength without weight. Not sure what you could do with a roof though.

This is great, reminds me of a story about Mark Donohue when he drove for Penske. They as is usual for Penske they were dominating in the then very early Trans-Am series. At one point they were given a complete Camaro body from Chevrolet and seeking what they called "advantage" the body was sent to be acid dipped. Shave a few pounds and the weight /horsepower ratio gains a bit. Unfortunately the roof ended up seriously thin with many pinholes. No time to do another body and wiyhout a fix they would have been caught cheating. So the Penske team decided to throw on a vinyl roof and run that way while they proceeded to prep the next body. They won that race and put out the line that they did it for aerodynamics. Well they got away with the trick and since Penske set the pace other teams copied them and soon a few other cars were sporting vynil tops.

Have to wonder what ever happened to the thin roofed Camaro.

[Zapato]

This is great, reminds me of a story about Mark Donohue when he drove for Penske. Then as is usual for Penske were dominating in the then very early Trans-Am series. At one point they were given a complete Camaro body from Chevrolet and seeking what they called "advantage" the body was sent to be acid dipped. Shave a few pounds and the weight /horsepower ratio gains a bit. Unfortunately the roof ended up seriously thin with many pinholes. No time to do another body and without a fix they would have been caught cheating. So the Penske team decided to throw on a vinyl roof and run that way while they proceeded to prep the next body. They won that race and put out the line that they did it for aerodynamics. Well they got away with the trick and since Penske set the pace other teams copied them and soon a few other cars were sporting vinyltops.

Have to wonder what ever happened to the thin roofed Camaro.