oem throttle linkage puzzle

[RICH MUISE]

quote Jay:"This will not help you though because it looks like you need something that is open on the top."
Actually this is only a topic of interest for me. ....I'm using the Mark viii cable/throttle linkage with a '63 pedal.

[Ecode70D]

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      Rich in order for me to be correct I need a good pedal like the worn out/rusted out piece in my picture (#037) that can be attached with the pin.   
      I'm just going to stick with the reproduction pedal that  I have for now until I find a good 57 one.  The repro pedal works with my throttle linkage and when everything is in place only the trained eye will notice it.  "I ain't gonna let this stop me from driving the car."
      Jay 

[hiball3985]

[quote author=hiball3985 link I have an old replacement after market pedal that looks just like Jays, the box says 57-59 Ford, 59 Edsel. I don't know what goes into the two small holes that Jay described, some kind of a spring clip?

Jim
    It's very interesting that the box for  yours states 57-59.  Does yours have the holes like mine on the inside of the tab, but going only half way through? Look at my picture #011 and you will see one of the holes.    At least my repro one does work in my  car and will look correct for now until I get the right one for it.
     Is there any chance that you might post a picture of yours ?  Inquiring minds.
     In the 57 and 58 Ford car shop manuals, the picture of each pedal look similar except for the side view.
Jay

Jay, mine looks exactly like yours with the two holes on the inside. Thats what I was wondering about as to what they are for. I'll try to get a picture posted tomorrow morning.

[hiball3985]

Jay,
Here is what mine looks like, it looks likes yours. I think this is for the spoon type linkage. I think there must be a spring clip or something that goes in the holes to secure it to the linkage.

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Jim
    Thank you for posting the picture of your gas pedal and the box it came in.  They both look the same to me also.  Since the ''side profile" of both of  are like the one for a 58 , and not like a 57, I went and took another look at the 58 Ford manual.  I was especially looking for some sort of a clip or pin in the illustration and "found none".
     I checked the fit of the 57 and 58 throttle linkage between the tabs on the gas pedal and noticed two more ribs in between the side tabs.  See my picture #037.
      The 58 throttle linkage seems to ride between the two smaller ribs centering it between the larger tabs.
       The 57 throttle linkage fits nicely between  the side tabs and stays in place.
        Since the larger tabs have some give to them by spreading them apart,  I'm going to make a 1/8"  pin that pops into the holes on the tabs.  The pin will go through the enlongated hole on the 57 linkage and pop into the holes on the tabs.
        If I were using 58 linkage, the pin would go behind the so called spoon. 
         In any event this should keep the pedal in place and not let it pop forward if it wanted to do so.
         At least if it is done this was I will not be hurting or altering anything.
         The number under my gas pedal is B 7A 9735.  In my opinion, someone put some thought into making these pedals taking 57 to 59 in account and tried to keep them looking original. I bought mine many years ago and don't know where it came from and never saved the box like you did.
         It would be nice to have an original, but what I do have will have to do for now.
         This business of trying to keep things as original as possible can drive a person nuts, but it is fun.  Jay             
       

[hiball3985]

Jay,
Thanks for the info. When I bought the Ranchero it didn't have an original pedal but I knew I had one buried in the garage and when I found it I was surprised it was still in the box. I think I will try your idea and make a pin to go through the slot in the linkage. I'm not concerned about 100% correct its not a show car. At this point I'm not sure what is correct anyways  It seems some have the spoon and some have a slot, maybe a mid year design change?

[RICH MUISE]

The odd thing to me, unless I missed something, is we've got two types of linkage, but the oem pedals posted so far seem to be better suited for the slotted linkage even though some (at least mine) had the spoon linkage that the repro pedals seem to be better suited for. My gas pedal worked, and I didn't pay much attention to it when I disassembled the car, but the spoon linkage and the pedal with the circular clip doesn't seem to pair up quite right.
My '63 repro pedal, btw, came with the 3/16(?) pin installed between the 2 ears.

[hiball3985]

Rich,
I agree, it is odd. I think you have it right, two different pedals and two different linkages. It's probably one of those mysteries we will never solve. 

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    Rich
    You are right.. The old pieces of oem (1957) pedals that you and I have are better siuted for the for the slotted (1957) linkage.   Like I stated before..That's exactly what is in my 2dr 57 wagon.

     The spoon type linkage  (1958)  does not pair up with the with the circular clip and pin.  I can't figure out how they paired up and worked in your car before you dissembled it. 

      We just have to accept the fact that back in the day we just used what we had to keep em running.  I was the biggest offender and when I was tearing them up, I was not thinking that I might still working on them in the year 2013, 50+ years later.
     
       I'm very thankful that I grew up and was actively messing with cars in the 50s.  In my opinion it was the time when America made the very  best automobiles.  Did you ever wonder if these things that they are putting out now would be around 50 years from now? 
   
    Jim... You'r right too....We ain't gonna solve this one.
Jay

[hiball3985]

Jay,
These new cars are just throw aways just like everything else they make these days, cheap plastic and electronics and now batteries  . If we can still get fuel in the future our old cars will outlast them all.

[RICH MUISE]

Jay,
These new cars are just throw aways just like everything else they make these days, cheap plastic and electronics and now batteries  . If we can still get fuel in the future our old cars will outlast them all.

I gotta disagree 100% on that one. In the 50's and 60's the cars were rotting away less than 10 years old, and 60-70K miles was considered a high mileage car. I don't like all the plastic either, but realistically...what's the alternative?? I for one, after working on my '57 for 7 years now am extremly grateful they don't make cars like they use to, but the simplicity of the old cars sure is nice.

[hiball3985]

I gotta disagree 100% on that one. In the 50's and 60's the cars were rotting away less than 10 years old, and 60-70K miles was considered a high mileage car. I don't like all the plastic either, but realistically...what's the alternative?? I for one, after working on my '57 for 7 years now am extremly grateful they don't make cars like they use to, but the simplicity of the old cars sure is nice.

I agree with you Rich from that point, but depending on where you lived they didn't all rot away in 10 years. When I bought my first 57 in 1966 is was solid as rock. The point is they are still around after 50 years, how many of the new cars will be? Neither of us will be here to find out but I bet there won't be many  . I can just picture people at cars shows 50 years from now drooling over a 2011 Prius that someone restored 

The alternative for me is a 1966 Mustang, 1960 F100 panel and a 57 Ranchero. I've never bought anything newer and never will.

[Randyh]

I know this is an old topic, but most of the background information is in this post.  My car has the slotted linkage with pin through it.  Does anyone know where a correct gas pedal for it can be found.  All of the repros are that I have seen are for the spoon type linkage.

Thanks, Randy

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Randy
    If you do find someone who is making/selling the correct gas pedal, please let us know.  Obviously there are a bunch of us that want one.  Jay

[Randyh]

Does anyone know the correct part number for the type of pedal that uses a pin.  The parts book that I have doesn't list a pedal for '57 cars.