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4.6 being installed now

Started by RICH MUISE, 2012-12-03 22:34

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RICH MUISE

Found it...LOL...main aisle in the tool department just like you said.
Got another problem resolved this morning. I was going to try and thread the Mark viii tranny cooling lines in place after cutting off the front section where it turned towards the drivers side. I brought the assembly to the local shop that fabricates hydralic lines to make sure they would be able to attach a flex line where I cut them off. They can, and would, but recommended I just go with flex line all the way. As luck would have it, they were out of the fittings that go into the tranny, but he's ordering some and will be here by end of week.
The tranny fittings and tubing BTW, are not metric as I suspected..never checked..they are 5/16 tubing with a 1/2-20 fitting.
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RICH MUISE

Couldn't get the bottle of teflon lubricant inside the console to where the cable tube was, so I did an I V drip type thing using a length of small dia. shrink tubing. Got quite a bit in there, working the shifter back and forth. No binding at all now...stuff worked great. Thanks Bill
Got the bezel for the console started yesterday...far as I got.
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RICH MUISE

Not too much done in the past few days. Did a horible job of attempting to make a bezel for my console at the shifter. Gonna attempt it again today. Need something that's gonna be good enough for a temporary one eventually to be replaced with a machined billet one....my first attempt wasn't.
I also got my ss overflow tank installed.
Rlibew.....or others, what did you do for a fuel pump/lines?
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RICH MUISE

redid the shifter bezel. This really needs a billet bezel, but the redone one I can live with till I get wealthy.
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RICH MUISE

#289
Bob/rlibew replied to a pm I sent him on the fuel pump he was using. His fuel pump corresponds to the '03 Mustang drivetrain he is using. Because it is a regulated fuel pump with no return line, it uses a control module that is intergrated with the Mustang computer....so, not a solution for the Mark viii donor install. Should work for Al/57dohc though.
I'm kicking myself for not looking at the Mark viii pumps before I got rid of them.
Just looked up the Mark viii fuel pump to see what it was I didn't look at. This might work, depending on dimensions. The fuel gage sending unit is built in, so posibly could be put where the oem fuel sending unit was. Downside might be having the fuel lines into the trunk area.
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RICH MUISE

Did some more checking on in tank fuel pump kits, and am pretty sure this is the route I'm going. This is what a friend recently installed in the stock '56 t-bird tank for the 4.6 sohc he installed. He is also putting one of these in a '36 chevy that's getting a 4.6 dohc. Price is half what I was looking at with the phantom fuel pump. They also have a weld in panel available which would make the installation easier.
http://www.tanksinc.com/index.cfm/page/ptype=product/product_id=84/category_id=61/home_id=61/mode=prod/prd84.htm
http://www.tanksinc.com/index.cfm/page/ptype=product/product_id=370/category_id=61/home_id=61/mode=prod/prd370.htm
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Boss/Cyclone

Looks like its about $150 cheaper than the kit I mentioned earlier by the time you buy the weld in panel.  But more complicated instalation with the cutting and welding on a used tank.  The other kit is made to work with the ribs already in your stock tank.  Keep us updated on the installation.
57 Ford two door wagon
67 Shelby GT500 #2100 428, dual quads, 4speed
65 Cyclone drag car, 427, 4speed, ladder bars, etc.
64 Cyclone, Aztec Gold, 289, 4speed
66 Mustang GT fastback 347 5speed 4.22 gears
69 Mustang GT convertible 351 auto

RICH MUISE

The Tanks inc unit can be installed just as the Phantom is shown, but the phantom would present the same problem as the Tanks Inc unit if it is installed without being recessed. As with most gas tanks, our tanks mount against the floor of the trunk, so if you didn't recess either unit, you would have that problem of the top plate/fuel lines being into the trunk area. I would still put an access cover in the trunk to get to it in a similar fashion to the oem sending unit.
I didn't see a dimension given as far has how high the Phantom unit is above the mounting surface, but it looks like it would be in the neighborhood of the 1 1/4 the Tanks inc unit.I'm planning on ordering a new tank, so I won't be trying to weld an old unit, even though my old one is in pretty fair shape. If you scroll down on the web page for the recess piece, they show one way of mounting it on the back edge of the tank, that way the lines and wiring would just exit quite easily.
BTW, I don't know about the Mustang setups, but the efi Markviii fuel log already has a fuel pressure regulator mounted to it. I'll post a pic tommorrow of at least what I think it is.
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RICH MUISE

Forgot to mention the Tanks inc site has some instalation pics/videos you can click on. That was really helpful to me. The Phantom unit may be a better quality...maybe quieter...I honestly don't know, but the Tanks unit does use Walbro pumps, and from what I can gather, they are a good brand. As I discussed in the previous post, I think either unit I would recess, so without considering that pre-fabed piece cost, as that is an option that just makes the recessing easier, there is a cost difference of 219....that's enough to pay for the new tank!
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Boss/Cyclone

Unfortunately a new wagon tank is double that.  I am glad you will be the guinea pig for me. :burnout:  I hope it works and Walbro has a good rep with the newer Mustang crowd.
57 Ford two door wagon
67 Shelby GT500 #2100 428, dual quads, 4speed
65 Cyclone drag car, 427, 4speed, ladder bars, etc.
64 Cyclone, Aztec Gold, 289, 4speed
66 Mustang GT fastback 347 5speed 4.22 gears
69 Mustang GT convertible 351 auto

RICH MUISE

LOL.....a fella could get old and gray waiting on me. First, I have to figure out what my priority purchases need to be. Even if I go for the gas tank/pump first, it'll be a long time before I get my car wired and running to know how the fuel pump works.
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RICH MUISE

#296
Last pic is what I confirmed is the fuel pressure regulator. It is attached to the fuel log downstream of the injectors. One less thing I'll need to be concerned with when setting up the fuel supply.
first two pics are of the flex lines I used for the tranny cooling lines. Not too pretty, but will be hard to see after assembly. I routed them where the oem steel lines were, and I wrapped them with titanium exhaust wrap just to be on the safe side...was going to make a bracket to hold them away from the exhaust pipes...then figured it would be easier just to tie them to the dipstick tube with the wrap. As I said, not too pretty, but it works. Those hose fittings are designed to not need a clamp, but I put them on anyway. You need a trained gorilla to push the hose on to them. 3 of the 4 I got them all the way on except for about 1/8"..just couldn't get enough muscle behind them to get it on all the way.
That rubber/steel hose going up over the lower radiator hose is the old oem power steering line, which will be replaced before too long.
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Ford Blue blood

Rich take a look at the pump from a 93 - 96 F150 rear tank.  It is a return type system.  That tank is fairly shallow, might fit without major mods.  As far as clearance goes...there is a hole in the trunk floor to allow access to the fuel sender.  Might work to do the same thing with the fuel pump either way you go.
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2016 Focus (wife's car)
2008 Shelby GT500
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RICH MUISE

Thanks for the info, Bill. I've already ordered the Tanks inc. unit. I ordered the PA-4 and the weld in recessed box.
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RICH MUISE

#299
worked on getting the oem Mark viii intake housing reworked to fit under the ledge on the firewall. I was hoping to heat the plastic enough with a heat gun to reform it, but no such luck Too thick, too tough, heat resistant. I cut out enough of a notch for it to fit in...similar fashion that Bob Claiborn had done on his, except I had to notch further because I set my engine back further. Now I've got to play with different ways of closing it back up. Claiborn riveted a thin aluminum piece in place. I'm gonna try moulding something in if I can figure out what will adhere to this plastic. It's got to be secure...I sure don't want to be sucking in pieces of stuff to the intake.
I don't think I've got room for, or want, the big filter box that was on the Mark viii, but I'm going to take a look at it tomorrow.
The 2 chambers marked with a red X I'm going to delete if I can. No sensors going to them, just seem to be some type of extra air chamber. Does anyone know what the purpose of these are? There are no sensors or hoses, etc. coming off these.
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